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I've been obsessing over the N1 since launch. Android is super neat, and unlocked phones rock. The only thing that really held me back from the purchase was the multitouch issue. I could easily see having to reset my screen with a lock cycle would drive me crazy. That said, I love the idea of the N1, and wish to escape my iPhone prison.
I recently purchased a Galaxy S phone, but am annoyed by the lack of support (saw this coming) and non-functioning locational services. The GPS and Compass are totally and utterly busted. Sadly, Google stopped selling the N1 on the day I decided to order one. However, I have been given a second chance, by purchasing the dev phone (which I am now considering).
So, let's make this like ripping off a bandage. Have mercy, internet. I have questions that require honest answers. I'm sorry if you've heard it all before, but this kind of information is annoyingly hard to dig up. Lightning Round, Go!:
Is the multitouch problem with the N1 (inverse axis swapping when two points cross) still present with 2.2?
Do any custom ROMs, apps or tweaks solve this issue? I read that the Moto Droid had a software setting ticked that allows proper multitouch (a sort of software hack), that google had not opted to enable by default? Sounds a bit silly to me, but what's the deal?
Does your screen still lose track of your fingers (inputing the wrong characters on the keyboard), causing you to lock cycle your screen to reset the digitizer?
Are the touch-buttons difficult to use?
A fellow N1 owner I met told me that his phone showed no signs of the multitouch 'bug', when using 'Multitouch Vis Test'. He said he was running the Modaco ROM. Is it true that something in this ROM fixes the multitouch problem?
Thank you, Princes of Internet.
Personally i dont experience any multitouch issues on my n1. Im running stock froyo 2.2. I have only had to re-lock my screen once and it never happened again. The capicative buttons below the screen take a bit of time to get used to at first it might take you a couple of tries to register a click but a few hours of use you get the hang of it.
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Thanks for the reply.
Would you mind taking the 'Multitouch Vis Test' app for a spin, to see if the problem is gone, or if you just don't notice it?
If the issue is gone, would you mind making a youtube vid of it?
The multitouch on the n1 will not be "fixed" unless google/htc decided to use different hardware. If you can live with a device that can only do pinch to zoom, but not true multitouch, then the n1 is fine.
Honestly at this point, I'd hold off until you see the rest of HTC's lineup that's coming up before december.
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Is the multitouch problem with the N1 (inverse axis swapping when two points cross) still present with 2.2?
Do any custom ROMs, apps or tweaks solve this issue? I read that the Moto Droid had a software setting ticked that allows proper multitouch (a sort of software hack), that google had not opted to enable by default? Sounds a bit silly to me, but what's the deal?
Does your screen still lose track of your fingers (inputing the wrong characters on the keyboard), causing you to lock cycle your screen to reset the digitizer?
Are the touch-buttons difficult to use?
A fellow N1 owner I met told me that his phone showed no signs of the multitouch 'bug', when using 'Multitouch Vis Test'. He said he was running the Modaco ROM. Is it true that something in this ROM fixes the multitouch problem?
Thank you, Princes of Internet.
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1) It was possibly noticable in 2.1, in 2.2 in months now I havn't see it once. You can see with the visualiser you really have to know how to force it to get it to go, its just not something which will occur with correct commands you'll be doing.
2) Its down to the hardware, I'm not aware of any custom ROMs which have anything/anything significant.
3) The only time I EVER get this is with beta super bundles of ROMs, which is either the fault of the ROM, something going skitz in dalvic, how I installed it, or just a self generating bug. All of which are easily fixable. However if you were to stay with stock or more tested ROMs, you'd literally never see this.
4) For me they just work, at the start yes they wouldnt act the same a touch screen, but now they'll act like I want maybe 99% of the time. Sure friends using it to start with have to get used to it, but its not 'broken' if you will. The only thing I will mention is if your using it in weird orientations, there is a chance of hitting the buttons [mainly search] without meaning to with parts of your hand.
5) Again, this problem ONLY shows up if you know how to 'break' it. With 2.2+ its really hard to do it if you handed the phone to someone who's never used it before, because also again you wont be doing any commands which would conflict with the limitations, so you have to be misusing it in the first place to get the bug.
JCopernicus said:
Honestly at this point, I'd hold off until you see the rest of HTC's lineup that's coming up before december.
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Agree with this.
Multitouch is completely crap on the n1. I loved it otherwise, yes every now and again it goes wack and registers the wrong thing... the capacitive buttons also suck and are hard to get used to... on Multitouch test its wacky and registers the wrong finger and won't register more than 2...
Great device, but galaxy is better.. I don't have any gps issues so can't complain about that.
No. No roms will fix the Multitouch issue. Nor make it any better.. if your into gaming with controls on the same axis forget about it, if ya want Multitouch keyboard forget about it...
I still have yet to ever experience the actual axis switch issue using this phone in real world. Sure the issue exists, but it just doesn't effect a single thing unless you use a certain game. But even that works fine, watch YouTube videos showing emulators on the nexus.
The point is, if you're looking for a reason to not get the nexus, The axis switch issue is not the reason that should sway your decision.
I recently came from an iPhone and I haven't noticed any difference in the multi-touch screen (except maybe in the typing on occasion, which I just attributed to my big fingers). I'd say for a good 95%+ of what you would do on the phone you can't tell any difference between the iPhone or N1 multitouch.
With the touch buttons on the bottom of the screen... Sometimes I hit one while typing, which takes me back to the home screen, but since the N1 has true multitasking all I have to do is reopen the app. A minor inconvenience. Or I could just type in landscape mode and not have any trouble at all.
RogerPodacter said:
I still have yet to ever experience the actual axis switch issue using this phone in real world. Sure the issue exists, but it just doesn't effect a single thing unless you use a certain game. But even that works fine, watch YouTube videos showing emulators on the nexus.
The point is, if you're looking for a reason to not get the nexus, The axis switch issue is not the reason that should sway your decision.
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Games like toonWarz or nova will mess up. Has the controls on bottom right and shooting on bottom right. So when your running using the left controls and shoot real quick with the right, it'll now wig out and keep shooting even when you let go and the dude will walk a different way be cause now the sensor thinks your touching in a different spot..
Now you can let go of the left finger then shoot but when ya need precision in some shooting games you will be dead if you do that....
Pinch to zoom is fine and emulators with controls on the top and bottom vs just the bottom ( same axis), but for games like nova, heavy gunner, modern combat, ps1 emulator (unless it has opposite axis controls) which mine don't, took Warz, etc. It will not work properly ....
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Games like toonWarz or nova will mess up. Has the controls on bottom right and shooting on bottom right. So when your running using the left controls and shoot real quick with the right, it'll now wig out and keep shooting even when you let go and the dude will walk a different way be cause now the sensor thinks your touching in a different spot..
Now you can let go of the left finger then shoot but when ya need precision in some shooting games you will be dead if you do that....
Pinch to zoom is fine and emulators with controls on the top and bottom vs just the bottom ( same axis), but for games like nova, heavy gunner, modern combat, ps1 emulator (unless it has opposite axis controls) which mine don't, took Warz, etc. It will not work properly ....
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this is a good explanation of what is effected. if you're a big gamer then consider it, but things like pinch to zoom in the browser, maps, pics, works just as great as ever.
Thanks for the feedback, guys.
Coming from the Galaxy S, I imagine I will miss a few things. One of them being: media playback and overall storage.
I guess with the N1, I'd need to find a non-bootlegged 32GB microSD card. But my other question would be: is there an easy way to play all of the content that the Galaxy S can handle, or is the GPU in the Samsung phone so much better that the N1 can't keep up?
I really like that about the SGS: I just drop movies (mp4, xvid, divx and so forth) onto the internal ROM and they play without issue. Media capabilities are very nice.
Does the N1 play lots of videos like this out of the box? If not, is there a decent media application?
Also, about HTC's other devices: I'd love to wait, but I'm worried that the newer phones won't have nice accessories. The N1 has that awesome car dock, that I would use all of the time. The SGS doesn't have any accessories like that, and it makes me sad. Most of HTC's N1 follow-up lacked similar docks and cradles.
If I return this SGS (likely), I will probably be jumping to the N1, just for that 'official' feel of it (very sturdy, solid first-party accessories).
You have no idea how sad I was, when Google announced they were giving up on creating their own phones. Hate them all you want: but Apple really has that system (solid build, quality integration / lack of fragmentation) nailed. I was really hoping that Google could bring that unification to Android with their own branded devices.
Loving Android, though. Never going back to iOS.
Anyone saying the n1 doesn't suffer from multitouch issues is sadly mistaken. The one thing that bugs me about the n1 is the touch screen issue. You won't be able to play games like nova, or certain games on emulators (when using dpad plus buttons that are at the same level it has issues) and it does have issues when crossing the axises.
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Anyone saying the n1 doesn't suffer from multitouch issues is sadly mistaken. The one thing that bugs me about the n1 is the touch screen issue. You won't be able to play games like nova, or certain games on emulators (when using dpad plus buttons that are at the same level it has issues) and it does have issues when crossing the axises.
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everyone said the issue exists it just doesnt show up unless you...play....games. otherwise its a non issue.
The N1's touchscreen is totaly crap. There is a thread about touchscreen issues at oficial forum. It has more than 2000 posts explaning all problems of nexus one touchscreen. Check it out.
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Thanks for the feedback, guys.
Coming from the Galaxy S, I imagine I will miss a few things. One of them being: media playback and overall storage.
I guess with the N1, I'd need to find a non-bootlegged 32GB microSD card. But my other question would be: is there an easy way to play all of the content that the Galaxy S can handle, or is the GPU in the Samsung phone so much better that the N1 can't keep up?
I really like that about the SGS: I just drop movies (mp4, xvid, divx and so forth) onto the internal ROM and they play without issue. Media capabilities are very nice.
Does the N1 play lots of videos like this out of the box? If not, is there a decent media application?
Also, about HTC's other devices: I'd love to wait, but I'm worried that the newer phones won't have nice accessories. The N1 has that awesome car dock, that I would use all of the time. The SGS doesn't have any accessories like that, and it makes me sad. Most of HTC's N1 follow-up lacked similar docks and cradles.
If I return this SGS (likely), I will probably be jumping to the N1, just for that 'official' feel of it (very sturdy, solid first-party accessories).
You have no idea how sad I was, when Google announced they were giving up on creating their own phones. Hate them all you want: but Apple really has that system (solid build, quality integration / lack of fragmentation) nailed. I was really hoping that Google could bring that unification to Android with their own branded devices.
Loving Android, though. Never going back to iOS.
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The gpu is OK. But definitely a lot less powerful than the sgs, you will notice in movies, live wallpapers and especially games... there's a decent video player called rockplayer that plays a lot of stuff like avi and xvid , but its not ad good as the sgs player ...
Put it this way, either stay sgs and have a not so well navigation but awesome everything elsex or go nexus with good GPS but a old touch sensor that will hardly recognize both fingers on anything other than pinch to zoom.....
The only real world scenario i have encountered the axis switch is when you do a pinch on an album in the gallery to have it flick through them, it switches often when doing that.
Nexus One multi-touch sucks for games. I've tried some fancy gameloft games that req two fingers on screen, or PS & gameboy emulators that req this and it drives me insane. Can be so frustrating for gaming and is the only thing that I find a let down for this device. I wish I knew before I purchased it because the gaming although not the only thing I brought it for is something that I thought would be cool on my phone.
Simply put, don't get the N1 if mobile gaming is important to you. I'm not talking about simple single tap games, but the intricate ones (PSX Emu, EA Sports, Gamesloft, etc). If you could live without it, the touchscreen is fine for regular day to day use.
Or just root and carry your favorite bluetooth game controller. I have a mini bt keyboard that works great for emulators
I am really in love with my bionic and would love to make the typing experience more joyable for taking notes etc.
I have heard a lot of negativity surrounding it though, anyone who purchased it care to share their experience?
Is it really laggy or stuttery?
Is the browser at least functional? Do HD youtube videos work?
I played with it for a few minutes in the store. The keyboard was definitely laggy. Also, the review that I read on Engadget said that it's actually slower than a $200 netbook. Their and my suggestion would be wait for the customer roms to come out, and then use the wireless hotspot or usb tethering. I think you'll like it better.
If you google Engadget Droid Bionic, the review will pop up.
Yeah, from what I've heard, it's very slow. I haven't actually tested it out myself, though. Perhaps call up your local Verizon store or maybe Best Buy and ask if they have any test units.
Yeah, I can chime in on this one. I bouht the dock on launch day.
First what I like:
* Plays Netflix well. This is nice for me. I usually watch an episode of South Park over lunch and it's better than looking at my smaller phone screen.
* Browsing the internet is good. Especially if you are on 4G
What I don't like:
* LAG - Like everyone says, it has some significant lag at times.
* Start up - It's very finnicky about starting up correctly. You are supposed to put your phone on the dock and then open the lid. Even when doing so, sometimes it will not come on.
* The single thing I hate the most are LOW MEMORY WARNINGS. It seems like everytime I have more than two things open, I get a popup telling me that I'm low on memory and need to close some apps.
I mainly bought this thing so I could play battle pirates while I was in the car, on a break, or just away from home in general. I can start to play it, but as soon as I do,.... memory error.
Anyway, I think the concept is great but the whole setup could use some more RAM to help remedy most of the Lag and memory overun issues.
I will be taking mine back later this week. Not worth the $300 price tag in my opinion.
I for one love the lapdock. I think it accompanies the mobile device well. The bionic is fully functional while docked. I don't expect to get the same performance as I would a full blown laptop. But.... It's great being able to surf the internet with the larger screen and a full size keyboard, and yet being able to just undock the phone and be on the go. And yes... with the 4G surfing the Internet is awesome. The only thing I have to get used to use the left/right mouse clicks on the lapdock are a bit stiff. There is a little lag sometimes using the lapdock, but it isn't that bad.
All in all I am very satisfied with the lapdock and don't regret buying it. It is a great accessory to an already great mobile device. FREAKIN AWESOME!!!
I also purchased the lap dock on launch day but I have taken it back due to the lag. I had hoped to replace at least one device and use it to access my virtual desktop which does work great as a web top app. In the end the lag killed it for me and I could not justify the price. Great concept and would have loved it to work. I will say the HD dock works great!
I've got next to no RAM free evidently and it makes it rather difficult to use the lapdock. It actually responds fairly well otherwise other than my spacebar refusing to register unless I slam it. Rather annoying! Once I cleared up some RAM though things are running far better. Gonna give it a few more days (this is my first night with it) so I can give it time to settle in.
I bought the bionic, lapdock and extended battery the second day of launch.
PROS:
Firefox 3.0 (haven't tried plugins with adblocker yet)
Surfing with 4g is a very positive experience
1080p streaming works great
2 USB connections in the rear works great for a wireless mouse with scroller (haven't tried with a gamepad to see if it works. Excited to try with psx4droid playing final fantasy to see if it works)
Very easy to type with keyboard
Lapdock has a built in 8 hour batt that charges your phone as well
Works great with netfilx and nfl mobile on 4g
Thin, lightweight
Good resolution
Full access to phone
Answer phone calls with speaker without having to lean over
Settings for screensaver time, mouse speed controls, changeable desktop background
Lapdock batt life indicator
Windows ctrl commands work such as ctrl+p, ctrl+c, ctrl+v, ctrl++, ctrl+- for example
CONS:
Spacebar needs to be slammed in at times to register.
Needs to be custom rom'ed and overclocked without breaking webdock or lapdock
Minimal multitasking
Speaker system seems too generic
Upon initial usage system is very laggy and must be opened and closed a few times
No autoscroller on touchpad (must use page up and down arrows, becomes bearable with mouse/scroller)
Resolution of mobileview is not optimized
Wish there was a earphone/mic jack on the from of lapdock right below the touchpad
Definitely not as good and powerful as $300 netbook, but it works. I'm not sure if firefox uses both cores. It doesn't seem like it.
I see what some people are talking about regarding lag now, after using the webtop for a while. Biggest problem/concern is the Memory Manager - Low Memory error with a few tabs open in Firefox.....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=17590527#post17590527
Hi
Any possibility for turning off the screen when I am using mhl tv out?
It doesn't makes sense that the screen it is on with the same image all the time.
How do you plan on doing stuff without using the screen? I can understand if you want to have it turned off during movies, but isn't it possible to turn the screen off and still get the image on the TV (when you're watching movies etc.)?
LordManhattan said:
How do you plan on doing stuff without using the screen? I can understand if you want to have it turned off during movies, but isn't it possible to turn the screen off and still get the image on the TV (when you're watching movies etc.)?
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No, it isn possible.
If you turn the screen off, then the tv doens't play anything, thats because I ask.
For movies or flash on phone streaming to tv I don't want to have the screen on but I can't put it off and continue playing or I don't see how to do it
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probably isnt possible, the same as with conencting a laptop to the tv via hdmi, the laptop cannot be shut and still plays the video
well i have a Blackberry Playbook + Galaxy Note, the playbook has an amazing option (would be great if they could put it in the Note) they have presentation mode for videos, u press it and then u can hit the off button, the screen will go off but the video will keep on playing
I am using Galaxy Note too. The reason why we need to turn off the Mobile Screen while playing movie, is because of the performance.
I read somewhere that the movie playing on TV is having bad performance because the phone has to render for 2 displays, hence it make the playback lags.
I bought MHL cable and it's really a waste that I can't have a smooth playback of movie...
I haven't tried it yet but maybe a combination of the TegraDisplaySelector.apk with chainfire3d will allow us to turn our screens off.
from:
http://dext3r.komodin.org/
This widget app will give you the option to be able to switch between LCD and HDMI output, so you can preserver battery power, and disable any
annoying display enabled on lcd while using your TV.
you need to note, that managing the display is best with a mouse, but you can still use the disabled tablet screen for controlling your screen, but its not easy.
Remember you need to add this to your screen as a widget, thats the only way to access it, and it require root access to run the lcd vs. hdmi functionality. It does not work on android 3.x, as the library does not appear on that release for now
fosselman said:
I haven't tried it yet but maybe a combination of the TegraDisplaySelector.apk with chainfire3d will allow us to turn our screens off.
from:
http://dext3r.komodin.org/
This widget app will give you the option to be able to switch between LCD and HDMI output, so you can preserver battery power, and disable any
annoying display enabled on lcd while using your TV.
you need to note, that managing the display is best with a mouse, but you can still use the disabled tablet screen for controlling your screen, but its not easy.
Remember you need to add this to your screen as a widget, thats the only way to access it, and it require root access to run the lcd vs. hdmi functionality. It does not work on android 3.x, as the library does not appear on that release for now
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NICE! Will test it out when I get home
ghlaw said:
I am using Galaxy Note too. The reason why we need to turn off the Mobile Screen while playing movie, is because of the performance.
I read somewhere that the movie playing on TV is having bad performance because the phone has to render for 2 displays, hence it make the playback lags.
I bought MHL cable and it's really a waste that I can't have a smooth playback of movie...
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I get absolutely no lag on HD movie playing over MHL
but i agree that having both screens running is completely useless
when watching a movie
Richy99 said:
probably isnt possible, the same as with conencting a laptop to the tv via hdmi, the laptop cannot be shut and still plays the video
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A little off-topic, but yes you can. Windows button + P will shut the computer screen off and only show the image on the TV.
nothing new?
Interested in a solution to this myself. Why burn the pixels when there is no need? Im a bit uneasy trying out the tegra solution presented above. I am heading to the play store to see what is available as far as presentation apps and such.
Wanted to bump this thread back up. Has anyond found a way to turn off or disable the phone screen while using the mhl hdmi out?
Like others mentioned its silly to have the phone screen on at the same time your watching a movie on a tv screen. There should at least be an option to disable phone screen while watching movie.
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Wanted to bump this thread back up. Has anyond found a way to turn off or disable the phone screen while using the mhl hdmi out?
Like others mentioned its silly to have the phone screen on at the same time your watching a movie on a tv screen. There should at least be an option to disable phone screen while watching movie.
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Look at my app here. It would be the solution.
Screen Standby its a app u can download keep ur touchs working i know what u mean like playingg ames whitout looking at device like gta! touch still works
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kersh said:
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Any possibility for turning off the screen when I am using mhl tv out?
It doesn't makes sense that the screen it is on with the same image all the time.
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just did this to see that answer in ur notfications
No solutions yet? Would be nice if MHL mode could disable the phone screen for saving energy while improving HDMI video performance. I'd like to use my Galaxy Note as a netbook with external bluetooth mouse and keyboard, so keeping the phone screen on would be useless.
MHL does turn the screen off - but seems only while using built in player and playing a movie. At least it works like this on android 6 and Note 4. I am interested however in using KODI with the screen off while playing media...
so i just bought a MHL adapter for this in hopes of it looking good on a big screen. connected it to my 19" monitor first...popped up and it looked ok. icons were a little bigger than what looks compared to on the device. so using my BT mouse and keyboard i did some browsing around through some apps...not a good experience at all. then i noticed it cut the edges off on all 4 sides by just a little bit. look horrible. i thought it was the monitor, so i moved it to my 42" tv.
so connected it to my tv, again, cut off the edges, everything got larger. if you get a notification, the bar is so big u need to scroll down, not ideal, looks cheap.
tried web browsing, not as bad but every time you click on something to insert txt, a HUGE keyboard shows up that you have to hit back button on mouse or keyboard to get it to go away. cant get around this because to connect BT keyboard need to have the samsung keyboard active. maybe will be different using smart dock and usb keyboard. the notification bar takes up so much space along with tabbed browsing and address bar that 1/3 of your screen is gone.
the audio sounded horrible via hdmi, didnt try to use a 3.5mm out at the same to see if that would change.
oh and it eats battery.
did anyone else try it and have better luck? will the smart dock do a better job?
To get rid of the on screen keyboard while using a secondary monitor, download "null keyboard" from the play store. Also, I agree that the hdmi experience isn't anything to write home about, but it is useful for watching downloaded movie's, or browsing YouTube. I use a handheld bluetooth keyboard, and it's usable, but not too pleasant.
the reason why the edges are cut off isnt because of your phone, its because of your TV. you have overscan enabled. disable it.
as for the keyboard, yeah, i noticed that as well. it seems to only really go away with the default keyboard. kinda annoying =(
I believe with the smart dock the keyboard doesn't pop up if u have one connected
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the reason why the edges are cut off isnt because of your phone, its because of your TV. you have overscan enabled. disable it.
as for the keyboard, yeah, i noticed that as well. it seems to only really go away with the default keyboard. kinda annoying =(
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whats overscan? i tried looking at every setting for picture..didnt see anything ..
The MHL should have a power connector because of the high power consumption of the device. It needs to be plugged in. I get great sound over HDMI, maybe your video has a bad encode?
I will agree, on a 40" TV it doesn't look too great, but then I didn't transcode for a large screen either...
Would running a custom rom stop from the mhl hdmi to work?
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Hdmi sound is digital. Something is wrong with your setup
swyped all these spelling errors from my galaxy note 2
Greetings i just bought the original Samsung MHL for note 2 and galaxy s3 today .
To be honest if you want to play games , or do what you normally do with your phone its very laggy and bad quality picture.
If you want it to watch movies, youtube, music, Photos e.t.c ( Multimedia) its great . The video engine its totally different so the video output on screen its very nice and the sound very good.
So if you dont have a media center home or smart tv or whatever its good to have . If you have then its a bad investment you can not do much on screen even with BT keyboard.
Oh , browsing its ok...
I expected more but unfortuantly thats the deal, i dont know if someone running 4.1.2 can confirm better performance on mirroring , games etc. i run stock on latest update 4.1.1 .
Cheers
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I own the Smart Dock and the virtual keyboard doesn't pop up when connected to USB KVM.
As far the display not fitting the screen there's a tools button on the Samsung TV's remote that allows changing the Picture Size to Just Scan so it fits properly.
For the most part it works well except for a few minor quirks but it may be related to me connected to an Avocent KVM to use one set of monitor, keyboard and mouse for all my devices. For anyone with Smart Dock, does holding down both shift and space bring up English(US)?
Yes this is overscan. This is common place with home theater pcs. Typically tvs don't have much functionality when it comes to dealing with over/underscan. Luckily with pcs, gpu drivers do.
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Same deal with using the allshare cast hub, got the cutoff screen untill I adjusted my tv settings. The only issue I have with the hub is that ive noticed the sound lags a tad. Love everything else.
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so is overscan on our tv's something we have to live with?
You can turn overscan off. Just look in your televisions picture setup. The scaling should be done by your phone. Not the telly.
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whats overscan? i tried looking at every setting for picture..didnt see anything ..
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If its a Samsung you may need to switch from 16×9 to autofit.
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I just got my adapter in today from Samsung. It just get a gray screen. Is there a limit to what it can push to? I had it connected to a new Samsung 65" TV.
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The stock video player plays full screen and correct aspect ratio. Random regular apps like gtalk display full screen and correct aspect also.
Netflix squishes into 4:3 for no explicable reason.
It's not the particular video on netflix since it looks right on the phone screen and it looks right on the tv too if I use my ltevo to play the same vid via mhl to the same tv over the same hdmi cable instead of the gn2.
Stretch to fit doesn't correct it either. No zoom/aspect option corrects it.
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You can turn overscan off. Just look in your televisions picture setup. The scaling should be done by your phone. Not the telly.
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Thanks, I have a Samsung 40" tv so I'll check it out later tonight to see if that option is available. I'm really loving this mhl cable though~
KEYofR said:
The stock video player plays full screen and correct aspect ratio. Random regular apps like gtalk display full screen and correct aspect also.
Netflix squishes into 4:3 for no explicable reason.
It's not the particular video on netflix since it looks right on the phone screen and it looks right on the tv too if I use my ltevo to play the same vid via mhl to the same tv over the same hdmi cable instead of the gn2.
Stretch to fit doesn't correct it either. No zoom/aspect option corrects it.
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Yes netflix is squished into 4:3 on the smart dock too and probably on the allshare cast hub but I don't have that to test it.
The squish thing Netflix does is just Netflix and whatever coding they did for the app. I think it does same thing on the GS3.
Hello,
I've got note II (stock rom 4.1.2) and Smart dock. When I connect only keyboard pendrive etc (not mouse) to the dock, and connect all to TV (hdmi) the phone's screen is still on. In this way I have very good framerate. I can play games and watch movies. Ecerything works like a charm. But when I connect the USB mouse, phone's screen is off. It's good for that purpose, but after that I've got really big problems with framerates. Films are not like 25fps, more like 18 to 20. I don't know why it works like that.
I have still yet to reproduce this effect. I can only assume its something with your ROM or maybe the USB mouse. Mine works and I never see a frame rate drop.
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Are you on a custom ROM. Kernel. Stock.
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xKrisx said:
I have still yet to reproduce this effect. I can only assume its something with your ROM or maybe the USB mouse. Mine works and I never see a frame rate drop.
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Are you on a custom ROM. Kernel. Stock.
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I've tried two logitech mice. I've got last stock rom drom samsung 4.1.2. Does the screen off in your device when you connect mouse? Because i think the problem is with this feature
Yes. I actually dont even use my wired mouse. It is only connected to auto off/rotate my screen. Does your TV have the option to set display to 720p instead of the 1080p the DOC defaults. I managed to replicate a FPS drop when connecting to a friends TV. Checked settings and it was displaying at 1080p. Changed it down to 720p max and it cleared right up.
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xKrisx said:
Yes. I actually dont even use my wired mouse. It is only connected to auto off/rotate my screen. Does your TV have the option to set display to 720p instead of the 1080p the DOC defaults. I managed to replicate a FPS drop when connecting to a friends TV. Checked settings and it was displaying at 1080p. Changed it down to 720p max and it cleared right up.
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Actually my tv don't have such option. This issue is strange because without mouse all is extra smooth
I can vouch for the OPs Smart Dock issue as I have had the dock for awhile trying to isolate the same problem. Its not a rom issue.... if you look at NZtechfreak's (google search) review of his early loaner sample from Samsung, he didnt have any noticeable sign of this issue..... but if you notice at the end of his review he states that one issue is that the screen does not turn off at all while in use.
Samsung must have updated the software to recognize when a mouse is connected and for the phone to shut off the screen for display just on TV or Monitor..... however they updated this function, screws up the output. I have no 720p tv's or monitors to verify if it does not have the same effect but on my 1080p Sony & Samsung TVs, and my Samsung & Generic monitors, it happens. (either 1080i or 1080p is how the dock is detected on my displays)
Ive already tried reverting my Note 2 back to complete AT&T stock, different HDMI cables, different mice (both basic wired and wireless) and all combinations work fairly smoothly up until the point you plug in the usb cable/dongle of a mouse, then it switches off the phone's display and you can see how the smoothly mirrored output on your display begins to lag.
Its easy to notice if you mirror a movie or run a game on the phone while in the dock and seeing it displayed on both screens the just keep plugging in and out a mouse to the dock and you should see the difference.
Hopefully this Smart Dock is firmware updatable and Samsung fixes this ASAP.
haywood said:
I can vouch for the OPs Smart Dock issue as I have had the dock for awhile trying to isolate the same problem. Its not a rom issue.... if you look at NZtechfreak's (google search) review of his early loaner sample from Samsung, he didnt have any noticeable sign of this issue..... but if you notice at the end of his review he states that one issue is that the screen does not turn off at all while in use.
Samsung must have updated the software to recognize when a mouse is connected and for the phone to shut off the screen for display just on TV or Monitor..... however they updated this function, screws up the output. I have no 720p tv's or monitors to verify if it does not have the same effect but on my 1080p Sony & Samsung TVs, and my Samsung & Generic monitors, it happens. (either 1080i or 1080p is how the dock is detected on my displays)
Ive already tried reverting my Note 2 back to complete AT&T stock, different HDMI cables, different mice (both basic wired and wireless) and all combinations work fairly smoothly up until the point you plug in the usb cable/dongle of a mouse, then it switches off the phone's display and you can see how the smoothly mirrored output on your display begins to lag.
Its easy to notice if you mirror a movie or run a game on the phone while in the dock and seeing it displayed on both screens the just keep plugging in and out a mouse to the dock and you should see the difference.
Hopefully this Smart Dock is firmware updatable and Samsung fixes this ASAP.
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I hope that they will update it soon, because it's really annoying.
Sputnik_Wwa said:
I hope that they will update it soon, because it's really annoying.
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yeah, I hope so too since I mainly bought this to play games on the big screen and this bug makes it unplayable unless you stick to the simple ones like angry birds or something. As for my MC4......forget it! at least I can browse and watch streaming movies still.... just have to disconnect the mouse each time.
I am wondering if BT mice do not cause this issue since they bypass the dock?
haywood said:
yeah, I hope so too since I mainly bought this to play games on the big screen and this bug makes it unplayable unless you stick to the simple ones like angry birds or something. As for my MC4......forget it! at least I can browse and watch streaming movies still.... just have to disconnect the mouse each time.
I am wondering if BT mice do not cause this issue since they bypass the dock?
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With BT mouse screen is on and everything works fine. But when you are watching videos it's shown on overlay without subtitles etc and you have to force landskape mode because phone still things that it doesn't have mouse.
Sputnik_Wwa said:
With BT mouse screen is on and everything works fine. But when you are watching videos it's shown on overlay without subtitles etc and you have to force landskape mode because phone still things that it doesn't have mouse.
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IamPro said:
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I've already bought it the only way shich is annoying with bluetooth mouse is that the videos is playing in the overlay. I have dice player which shows subtitles in hdmi but i like more the option with showing on tv exactly what is on the phone
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I've already bought it the only way shich is annoying with bluetooth mouse is that the videos is playing in the overlay. I have dice player which shows subtitles in hdmi but i like more the option with showing on tv exactly what is on the phone
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I know with MXplayer it plays subtitles and you can pinch to zoom in and out so u can make it fit the screen
IamPro said:
I know with MXplayer it plays subtitles and you can pinch to zoom in and out so u can make it fit the screen
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I don't have problems with fitting the screen There are many half solutions but I want more make it work out of the box as it should work