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For does who are intressted in my WM5 experience
I have spent my weekend upgrading my XDA IIs to WM5. With all the comments in this forum and Wicki I was able to do this in a painless and strait forward way. But after 3 days of daily usage I came to the the conclusion that WM5 on my XDA IIs is not ready now for real business use. There are too many bugs which are very disturbing if you are depending on this tool. So I have downgraded to 1.40 and restored my datas with Sprite Backup.
Anyway WM5 looks very good to me and I will be back and install it again when the time is right.
Thank you very much for all the support placed in this forum by you guys!
I've installed it about 2-3 days ago so far, and I'm loving it, I've had a few minor issues but I've managed to work around them. The installation for Windows 2005 was very simple and to the point which I liked, it didn't give me any wonder off questions like "How do I do this part?" it was all done through a nice application. I'm sticking to Windows Mobile 2005. ;-)
FACT: WM5 is maybe ready for freaks, programmers and "wannabe cool guys". But for real business it's definitely NOT ready.
I work in a very hard business and need that thing very often, and it was much better with the WM2003SE, trust me. WM2003SE is a bit faster with my PH20B1 device, but it has definitely less bugs than WM5.
But it's just fair to say, that our WM5 version is just a beta version and for nothing (money). I already have it on my device, I'm not sure to downgrade. May when I have some time. :wink:
WM5 is a love hate friendship.
What gets me the most about this is the fact that if you buy a PC with 2000 on it you can LEGALY upgrade to XP or Server 2003.
If you buy the same machine in a GERMAN version you can LEGALY change the language to what ever you want.
We have paid good wonga for a device which was shipped with a licence for the CE. Here we are stuck as we can't change the language nor version without creative means (lets not get into that).
As a communaty I would say that XDA is a great source of information and has found many ways to fix issues that are both Carrier and OS based. Many of us have spent hours fumbelling in the dark to inprove our very expensive toys and passed on this info via the forum and wiki.
We all know that BIG Brother is watching us. We all know the so called gods of Richmond have flexed thier mussels on this site.
What I just fail to understand is the simple fact that in the long run we all want to better our devices and inprove the issues of perfromance and stabilaty. Whether this is from the side of us users or the manufactures.
So Microsoft make our day and leak a newer Build of the WM5 for the BA and I promise you that we will again documnet the issues, problems, incompatabilaties, faults and general messups.
Would a controlled beta testing by a bunch of Geeks that give a damm and use the device daily not be better than some lab rats that just see if the icons are color matched?
Will I go back to 2003, think I will have to and it pisses me off big time. Would I stay with wm5, well if I could charge my device and then answer a incoming call with out haveing to reset the bugger it would help.
Well - no additional comments. I agree with you :wink:
Agree
I agree with all of your views. As Saisoku-R i am also using my XDA very heavely every day. I do not have the time to play around bugs. But anyway I think WM5 will be a great OS and I may try to upgarde in some more weeks again. Thanks to the great work of all you guys out there!
Thanks!
I agree with the argument in this thread. I use the XDA for non-business purposes, and am enjoying WM5 and its improved verstality no end. I specially love the contextual soft buttons below, the enhanced office and the improved quality of sound. But I do realize that for serious business users, it would be smarter to stick to 2003SE for the moment, and hope a more stable version of WM5 is released.
I have had the version2 with all appropriate patches installed since it was released. I am fortunate to say the I can hear/answer all incoming calls and all SMS features. I don't care much for MMS and taking pictures on low quality imaging product so I have not tested it to a great extent. The only gripe I have with WM5 is that it is slow. Much slower than I can handle compared to WM2003. Even the overclock patch by Mamaich has it's limitations.
Mamaich and Buzz has done a great service to us and I personally would like to thank them for giving me first hand experience in using WM5. Unfortunately, WM5 on a BA is still in it's infancy and I await the day when they tame it. For now, I am on my way back to 2003 and will weight my options when a mature WM5 or a Linux Stable is available.
Downgrading
i have been using the WM5 for weeks now and it is not stable, i can't use bluetooth, wireless is bad, does not ring when i am getting a call, it might ring during the last ring and stuff, so i will downgrade and stay till bluetooth and stuff is fixed. Thank you guys for making WM5 possible, it looks nice but thats all it is so far, looks. I would love to upgrade again if u guys get it stable, thank you very much.
I really wonder why there are so many different problems that some have, but other haven't got. The WLAN and BT turning itself off when the unit is suspended is common for all. But the problems you mention are rare, and I have none of them. Maybe it comes down to other, third party applications that are installed, or perhaps a bad upgrade?
no real problems
I have to say that I have had no real problems since installing wm5.
I have had no reason to soft reset and I have been using for about a week. I must say that at times it goes a bit slow but if you run the mamaich overclock again it seem to rectify for a day or so.
everything works BT, MMS, EMAIL, pocket msn, spb weather, spb clock, Agile messenger, Fax. Oh and phone with no sound issues at all.
To me it is far more stable than 2003se ever was.
Cheers gang
I have been using WM5 for about 6 days now, and it is much more stable (if slower) than 2003 was for me.
Some things don't work
1. Spb Diary
2. Spd Today Plus
Windows Media Player doesn't play Windows Media streams (32k) that TCMP can play.
Overall I am happy with WM 5, it would be nice if Microsoft could figure out how to write code that executes faster though.
I'm back on WM5... I had serious problems with WM2003SE, it softresets itself every 5-10 min. That's right, WM5 is much more stable, even the splash image doesn't nerve me, because with WM5 I don't have to softreset 1time every day :lol:
Where can I get the overclock util from mamaich ? Couldn't find it. Are there any cons concering the overclock util ? My BA is just 3 months old, I don't wanna crack it. :wink:
2 things that isn't as good as it was in WM2003SE: WLAN/BT and performance.
Oh, I found another problem: I have the german keyboard fix for the hard keyboard, and when I type emails or whatever, the buttons sometimes "hang". i.e.: I push the "E" button and it types 60 times the "E". When I press backspace, it deletes the whole text till the beginning. :?
MDAIIIUser said:
So Microsoft make our day and leak a newer Build of the WM5 for the BA and I promise you that we will again documnet the issues, problems, incompatabilaties, faults and general messups.
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That´s part of HTC and not MS. MS only delivers the PB and some extensions for WM5.
So go and ask your carrier for changes, so they can order something at htc.
In WM2003 a lot of problems may have been fixed a long time before you got it, but it was to expensive to create a new version,test it and deliver it...
I had WM5 for about 2 weeks on the BA. I thought it was very stable, just WAY TO SLOW. Loading a program like Resco Explorer normally takes <1 second on WM2003 but about 5 or 6 on WM2005. Now before you think, "well that isn't that big a deal", remember everything is going slow like this. I just could not take it anymore.
That being said, I believe BUZZ, (maybe mamaich as well?) is looking into making a version without persistent memory, (basically going back to using RAM for storage and program) like the XDA2 builds.
If that was made then the speed would no longer be the issue, (though persistence would be lost )
I cannot agree with you, my PocketPlus 2.5 loads very fast, ALL games I've installed on my device are much faster with WM5 than with WM2003SE. Just if you re-activate the BA it is slower than WM2003.
And I was just sick and tired of doing almost all 2 days a softreset with WM2003SE... I don't have this issue with WM2005.
All in all, it's like MDAIIIuser said, it's a love-hate story.
I'm a network consultant and I use my BA entirely for business, which is the biggest reason I was SO happy for the work that Buzz, mamaich, ramram, cdaly1970 and the others on WM5 for the BA. Being as that my email, like my clients, is entirely through Exchange 2003 I really don't use text messaging, MSN and such. My only real problem has been with the BT, which I can live with for a while as I need the other things that do work, like my Pocket PC actually syncing to my Exchange server in the cradle, tasks syncing over the internet, contacts containg photo's, setting importance in outgoing emails, etc. I reset in the morning before I get in the car and maybe once more during the day. Yes it opens emails, Word, etc slower.... but the Outlook email and Contacts are just SO much better!
I've gone back to 2003 twice .... and now I just can't imagine going back. Just my experiences....
Steven
^^ hey, what else could I say... this is exact my situation !!! :wink:
hello all I have been using it since the gurus figure it out, and gone trough all the patches and fixes and stuff, after removing the camera stuff, I never had a problem again, and with the overclock app, it works great, its fast, reliable, get all phone calls use it for business everyday its just great, exept for the album, I cant get that to work, other than that its great! thanks to all the geniouses!
win2003 is good still
Well i have used WM5, it is slow, i thought about using hte overclock tool but i would rather not damage my device and be stuck with dead weight. I was really really upset about the bluetooth issue and not being able to use my ear peice, i bought it for a lot of money and i would prefer to use it, cause it is safer and i cannot really hold the MDAIII between my head and shoulder like a regular phone. WM5 looks really good, no doubt, but so far since i went back to 2003SE, it is fast, i have not missed any call and bluetooth is a hell lot more stable. I have happy we have WM5 but i think i will not go back to it till it is well fixed
Hi all, my first post here. I have had my Kaiser now for about 3 weeks, its going well but I have a few questions.
On my old Moto, I had a bleep that sounds every 30secs if I had a text message or missed call alert. Is there a feature like this? Its very useful.
I can't seem to find the TV or VOD in the T-zones.
Is there a quicker way of sending a text instead of doing Messaging, New, SMS etc..??
Anyone used Bluetooth Audio program to send all sound to the BT headset (like MP3s)? Handy for when I am using my mono BT headset.
Is there a program that will switch off the phone and BT overnight and back on in the morning on a sked????
My Kaiser is a UK unlocked handset all as standard.
Now just waiting for Krussel to bring a case out for it. I have e-mailed Krussel and PDA Addons but got no reply.
Thanks all for the help.
P.S Tomtom have refused to support me as they say the TyTN 2 is not a supported product.
As far as the beep on text message alert I use PhoneAlarm. It will let me set the notification time interval as well as how many times it repeats itself. I also use Kaiser Notifications by Phil_UK LED notification program to change what LED's blink for missing Texts, emails or calls.
Read this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=328596
As far as TomTom goes, I called them and they say that they dont support any WM6 phones as the front line guys have not been updated on WM6 yet. I think they may want to get on that in all honesty.
And I have no idea what you are talking about here:
I can't seem to find the TV or VOD in the T-zones.
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It was the 3G TV on T-zones and also their Video on Demand (VOD). Thanks for the other info.
Guys, regarding tomtom. They do support the Kaiser/TyTn 2. BUT, you must tell them that you have installed THEIR specially adapted tomtom version designed for the TyTn 2 and that your installation disk has their logo on it. It seems their staff have not been informed about this in many cases. However others who have been persistent have been successful. Ask the person to get their supervisor.
By the way the tomtom software and GPS is pretty straightforward and works well, so if there's a problem - report it in one of the GPS threads here and you may well get an answer.
Mike
I bought a Kaiser a few months ago, and I've been pretty disappointed to be honest.
I sold my old Mio A701 (WM5) which never gave me any problems... big mistake.
I have a few issues with the Kaiser, two of them are very frustrating.
1. During a call, the microphone volume drops completely so the caller cannot hear me... although I can hear them perfectly. Done numerous microphone tests with voice recorders etc and it only does it during a call. It's not a signal problem either, as I get a full signal in the office. HTC tell me they've come across this issue before, but they can't remember how to fix it. This is a £330 device, touted to be one of the best on the market... if this isn't resolved soon, the whole thing will end up on the front carpark in pieces.
2. Pairing with Parrot 3100 (running 4.16d) is completely unusable. I have complained to HTC & Parrot several times but I'm simply told to wait as they're doing everything they can to resolve the issue. Parrot are quick to tell you "we have a great relationship with HTC so it shouldn't be much longer" but it's been months!!! I'm not sure if it's a problem with the phone or the headset, but it's still not good enough.
Ghost calls (Parrot says "Call....." and takes control of the stereo (it's a Saab 9-3SS with ISO) but the phone isn't dialing anyone. I can only regain control of the stereo by stopping and removing the key... leaving the Parrot to ask "do you want to transfer the call to handset?" WHAT CALL?
Incoming/Outgoing calls sometimes aren't diverted through the Parrot.
3. WM6 seems considerably slower than WM5 for many common tasks. Is there any way to downgrade to WM5?
I've upgraded the firmware several times (now using Schaps) and it seems to be a bit quicker than before but it still suffers from the frustrating mic problem.
Any help would be much appreciated.
For me, the Kaiser is worth the money - I've been like a dog with 2 dicks since getting mine and apart from a few simple problems setting up TomTom I'm more than satisfied.
I was the same with my Wizards (Qtek and HTC) and Hermes (Vodafone). Maybe I'm more tolerant about problems, or more lucky not to get the rogue phones with hardware problems (software stuff can always be resolved) - but my experience of the HTC phones is that they're worth the £300+ upgrade every year.
That said, I haven't had my Kaiser too long yet so I may change my opinion.
I spent months and months researching my new purchase & I can tell you with 100% confidence that YES, IMO the Kaiser is worth the cost.
I chose to go with the HTC TyTN II over the Tilt because I just didn't want to deal with all the stuff AT&T did.
I knew about the driver issues, blue tooth issues etc etc etc and I am still convinced this is the best device for my needs.
It will only get better with time, and thanks to the tech geniuses that lead us in our quest here at XDA, I know many more great things are coming (and this is one of the reasons I donate to the community and support the driver Bounty ).
Nothing in this world is perfect & with that being said I have found that almost every issue has a good workaround. Sometimes that might mean using different hardware or software than we are accustomed to.
IMHO, even with the issues we face this is the best device out there and has so many possibilities for customization.
I love mine and have enjoyed learning about it and what I can do to improve the quality and efficiency of my life, even though i do get impatient
Yeah, I loved the annoying loud beets my old Razr gave me.. and i got that back on the Kaiser with Kaiser Notification..
What's the best thing for the Raphael? I would assume Kaiser Notify would work on the Raphael as well -- of course not the LEDs, but the other functions.. Such as delays, back offs, options on vibrate/vibrate & tone, and schedules
Is that program still the best bet for this kind of function?
I am also interested in finding a progeam that is Sprint HTC Touch Pro compatible. I did try dialer/ profiler notification features, but its buggy. There was at least a half a dozen programs for palm that used to work great on my palm device. Wish I could find one for the Sprint TP
It’s been a bitter sweet journey for me and my tilt over the last year. We've been through many different ROMs many different Mods, and many different apps. We've spent hundreds of hours on this board searching for the newest and greatest tricks a tools we've even spent some times actually being productive. But 2 weeks ago we went our separate ways. In a spat of extreme frustration I renewed my contract with ma bell and enslaved myself to the blue and orange for another 2 years and purchased an iPhone.
While my Tilt could do just about anything I wanted it to do it could do none of it well or consistently. My #1 biggest frustration with the Tilt which ended up being the nail in the coffin was how windows mobile dealt with networking. It never worked reliably moving form edge to wifi and back was painful with apps needing to be restarted an occasionally the phone needing rebooted. Outlook would stop syncing with exchange for days at a time then after a reboot everything would be fine. It was never as simple as pick up the phone and surf the web or pick up the phone and check your email. A very close second is SPEED I had dumb phones 10 years ago that i could pick up and make a call with quicker than the tilt. The windows mobile interface is just not designed for hand held use. Even with the stylus it is extremely frustrating to navigate.
The apps I used most on the Tilt were as follows:
1. Push Exchange/Outlook for Calendar email and contacts <-- This is a must for any device that i will have now or in the future.
2. Beyond Pod for Podcasts <-- I have a long commute and podcasts are a godsend.
3. Palringo <---wonderful app but could not leave it open because of the battery drain
4. Kinoma Freeplay <-- the best media player for WINMO hands down they got a lot of stuff right I was all set to purchase the full version when 3g came to our area but still no 3G an now no Tilt
5. Windows remote desktop client <--- very handy worked well even over edge
6. Opera Mini <-- excellent browser especially for edge i dont thing there is anything that can beat it on edge. I would love to have seen a native version of opera mini because the JVM's (I tried them all) for WM suck I hate to open an application just to open an application yea there were some tricks and shortcuts but nothing completely seamless.
7. Gremote<-- excellent for controlling an HTPC or from the couch. This app paired with a capacitive touch screen would be amazing. Kudos to the author on this simple elegant app.
8. The Phone <-- The tilt was not a good phone. making a phone call to someone not in your address book was extremely painful however if the person is in your address book the smart dialer worked very well. I went through multiple dialer on multiple roms none of them worked well
Apps I used occasionally
1. ICS for tethering via usb <--- Great when it works active sync must be installed on the computer that you want to tether (for usb atleast).
2. WMwifirouter -- for when ICS failed <--- Must be plugged into the wall this program drains the battery faster than anything I have ever seen however it works very well
3. kevtris & Bubble Breaker <-- good to pass the time
4. Alarm clock <--- works as advertised
Now on to the iPhone. I have not Jail broken the iPhone yet. I'm not sure that I need to.
I'll start out with what I don't like
1. No background tasks <-- this reminds me of the days with my Palm IIIc
2. Running in the back ground is key to any instant messenger app so using Palringo on the iPhone is almost worthless
3. most apps do not exit gracefully or save state when you exit especially when you exit unexpectedly like when answering a call.
4. I hate the slide to unlock. You’re not going to accidentally dial someone with a capacitive screen when it’s in your pocket. It’s an unnecessary extra step
5. Lack of configuration options <-- I never thought I’d say this but this might be a blessing in disguise.
6. Lack of physical keyboard. It’s by far the best onscreen keyboard I’ve ever used but still not as good as the worst physical keyboard I have ever used.
7. Lack of a user exposed file I like to know where my files are and how to get to them. This hasn’t been a problem so far but I would feel better being able to browse a file system
That's really about all that I don't like about the iPhone here is what I like
1. Speed Speed Speed compared to my Tilt this thing is fast opening and closing most apps take about a second to open compared to 3 to 10 on my tilt depending on which app I open.
2. The display and capacitive touch screen together are both beautiful and extremely responsive
3. Visual Voice mail <-- love it I tried a bunch of visual voicemail apps for the tilt none worked as well as this. not making a call to check voice mail is great
4. The dialer <-- Its simple and it works when I dial a phone number all 10 digits show up as opposed to the tilt where I don’t think I ever dialed a 10 digit number correctly on the first try. I do miss the smart dialing from the tile though.
5. Networking <-- Other than problems with a hidden SSID's networking is smooth and transparent never had a problem switching from wifi to edge leaving WIFI on all day does not kill the battery haven’t had a problem with one app being able to access the internet while another cant
6. Battery <--- I can get through the whole day with a single charge on my iPhone I've even watched a half hour of streaming video over wifi at the end of the day before i was warned about a low battery. On my tilt if I used wifi or played back any kind of media or had Palringo open I needed to charge my Tilt before I got home in the evening.
I have yet to sync the phone with iTunes I haven't really found a need to yet. Although i probably will soon because there is a firmware update available
The apps I use
1. RSS Player <-- Great for downloading podcasts I can’t really compare it to how iTunes handles podcasts… I haven’t figured out how the iPod app handles audio playback especially in cases when you get a phone call while playing something. I will assume that the Apple apps have the power to run in the background
2. Orb Live <--- the 9.99 app was worth every penny it’s a sling box killer in I have access to my entire music collection my cable tv and recorded programs it works great and the video play back is great on the iPhone's screen
3. RDP lite <--- Simple RDP client it works well I am not limited to 640x480 as on the tilt it works more like the WM version of the Citrix Client
4. Stanza<--- I like ebooks I can read ebooks with this I actually prefer MS reader on the WM platform I have a trusty old Axim X5 with PPC 2002 on which I do a lot of reading at night. I can’t imagine buying a kindle and not being able to read in the dark on a side note the X5 has great rubber grips on the side and the buttons are in just the right place for page turns. you can probably pick one of these up for 10 bucks on eBay and have a great ebook reader for your night stand. While legitimate books are harder to find for MS reader most publishers produce versions of their books in the .lit format they are usually more expensive than kindle books but you'd have to buy a lot of books to make up for the price of the kindle.
I’ve spent hours on these forums tweaking and tinkering with my Tilt It was fun, I learned a lot but now I am done. Anybody else make the switch? I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on what you used on WM that you don’t have on the iPhone or what you have on the iPhone that you didn’t have on WM.
I might make the same move someday. I'm really on the fence as to whether I want to give WM another chance and get the Touch Pro 2, or just bail for the iPhone's snappy OS (background apps and openness be damned).
I can't stand how bad the Tilt is (and, I assume WM6 in general) at moving between WiFi and cellular data. I have to forcefully close Outlook since it always wants to stick to whichever method it first used. Does it do that for everyone, or just because I'm using IMAP?
It's going to be a tough choice this fall between the Touch Pro 2 and, presumably, an updated iPhone. I think I'm just very soured on WM. The resolution of the Pro2 and the keyboard have huge appeal to me. If Apple ups the resolution, I think I'll be sold on them, since their touchscreen is a lot more accurate for typing the I had even though possible.
I'm getting ready to ditch the Tilt as well. Too slow, hesitant, and mostly Windows related problems. Had to do a hard-reset which didn't work as the keys were frozen. Ended up flashing another ROM once I got past the Serial port in the Red-Green-White windows and it said USB.
I cannot believe even Microsoft has no news group on their Windows Mobile software. Probably would scare other manufacturers off if they did. Even the buggy ActiveSync as well.
I had a couple of Nokias with Symbian OS and they ran fine. Never hesitated at all or froze requiring a reset. And their volume was LOUD compared to the HTC.
The Tilt is a gadget boy's toy, but it really is buggy.
Maybe the Nokia N96 next. They offered on their website a trade-in of $84 for the old Tilt.
Mack
The network issues were the nail in the coffin for me. the speed problems and quick battery drain were a close second. So far every time I open up Safari my web pages load no pop ups telling me how its now trying to "dial" the network the seamless transition between wifi and GPRS lets me use the device and not think about which network I'm on. With the Tilt if I left the wifi on battery was dead by noon and I always had to manually put my Tilt to sleep because there was always some app that would keep it awake with the back light burning draining my battery.
This is great, 3 people with a total of 46 posts coming on the Kaiser forum to tell us how much they hate the Kaiser and love the iPhone,I personally could care less what you think and don't want to hear it.
We can't say goodbye if you don't actually LEAVE ................. Bye , farewell, au revoir, have you left yet ?
Just so you know where to go, here are a bunch of other people enjoying their new phone
http://discussions.apple.com/category.jspa?categoryID=245
OK everyone, I have had both the tilt and Iphone. I have had my tilt since the begining and I have had a blast tweaking it into my personal reflection of my persona. i had an opportunity to get an Iphone through my work and i almost broke it with frustration. not only that it ask for $40 to connect and have internest access but I can't find my files anywhere where it is stored. I am a heavy Excel user and I had trouble with opening spreadsheets on outlook atachments. It took me a long time just to text a simple sentence since i have fat fingers. My tilt on the otherhand, I use both of my thumbs for texting and composing emails through outlook and it just boggles me that the iphone can be used by busy professionals. I still enjoy my tilt everyday. My favorite application is SLingbox, Avantgo, Tomtom, and about 50 games stored in my Micro 16g card. I have 18 of my favorite DVD movies stored and if you hook it up in your car through the headphone jack, you can watch and entertain your children on long trips. I love the tilt until some other HTC device replaces it.
You'll likely be back
I left my tilt...wanted something more finger-friendly, with a more touch-responsive (I.E. capacitive) screen. I opted for the Tmobile G1 using Android. The phone is gorgeous, the widescreen fabulous, trackball surprisingly useful, and the OS beautiful. I was blown away....and then reality set in.
The G1 is nearly useless without an internet connection, and I don't use a data plan, just wifi. The Android OS is indeed lovely, but there are only a handful of really useful programs. The tie-in with Google is worse than anything Microsoft ever crammed down your throat. 75% of video formats just don't work. I guess the bottom line is: crude. The applications are crude, the OS lacks so much as a file manager (tho 3rd party ones are available), and if you want to do anything vaguely resembling work, you are in the WRONG place.
Like a beautiful woman who's too dumb to use a toilet.
The G1 is up on ebay, and a new Tilt will be mailed to me tomorrow.
Hello Tilt
I wanted to get a iPhone and found some fundamental flaws. For a start, do you know that you can't do something as simple as "Cut & Paste"?
No removable battery. Try go on a trip for >5 hours and you know what you miss.
... a lot more.....
so, I bought myself a Tilt.
Hehehehe, any of you TyTN II/Tilt haters can send me your phones. I will gladly ship you a self addressed stamped BOX to dump your miserable horrible phone into, I will give it a proper pyrotechnic destruction (just trust me on that).
PM me or post here if you want a box sent to you for disposal of your terrible miserable lousy TyTN II/Tilt.
*grins*
I understand the fustration, my TyTNII have a love hate relationship, when it is running well I love it, even though the Touch Pro is out I won't upgrade. When it is slow and unresponsive I've looked at other phones and nothing does what this phone can do for the price.
I know people with Iphones and some are happy others are fustrated so YMMV.
I suggest jailbreaking and get an app from cydia called backgrounder it allows apps to run in the background which I think will be a solution to you IM apps!!
lol
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This is great, 3 people with a total of 46 posts coming on the Kaiser forum to tell us how much they hate the Kaiser and love the iPhone,I personally could care less what you think and don't what to hear it.
We can't say goodbye if you don't actually LEAVE ................. Bye , farewell, au revoir, have you left yet ?
Just so you know where to go, here are a bunch of other people enjoying their new phone
http://discussions.apple.com/category.jspa?categoryID=245
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best post of the century?
Awww... the link actually worked
Denko7,
I was truly expecting to get rickrolled when I clicked on your link, only to find that i was inundated with actual Iphone stuff. For those of you who are confused about rickrolling someone (or a forum) just click the below link:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rickrolling
replacement of Kaiser
i don't feel....there is any phone on the market now that makes me wants to makes a jump from kaiser,
touch pro.....nah...
touchHD...tsk...still not good enough, sure will misss the keyboard
X1...makes me wanna laugh at Sony ericsson
coming:
N97...symbian platform still lack the variety compare to winmo
touchpro2...yawn!! (just a quick make up over TP1)
OmniaHD...maybe if they include hardware keyboard i'll think over
seems to me no one cares to just make an all rounder(with useability and reliability in mind) that dominates the market...
they just keep on producing tons of new models and incorporating flaws in them intentionally and kinda just to force the consumer into it
and people yelling "yay, consumers right"
denco7 said:
This is great, 3 people with a total of 46 posts coming on the Kaiser forum to tell us how much they hate the Kaiser and love the iPhone,I personally could care less what you think and don't want to hear it.
We can't say goodbye if you don't actually LEAVE ................. Bye , farewell, au revoir, have you left yet ?
Just so you know where to go, here are a bunch of other people enjoying their new phone
http://discussions.apple.com/category.jspa?categoryID=245
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Amen. I'm willing to hear negative opinions from someone who made an effort to use their phone. Not from someone who never tried to do anything with it
I'm as picky as they come, and I'm happy with my tilt. It takes some effort, but the roms that are out there now are ready to go after a flash. I'm waiting for a MUCH better phone before I leap. And honestly, my tilt will go to another family member.
PS: Once that guy gets his Iphone, we should totally try to MMS him..... ;-)
I like the Tilt but...
.. I didn't foresee having to spend so much time tweaking and fixing it. What's more, the jog wheel stopped functioning in 9 months (and I am a REAL careful user, didn't drop it even once), the screen stopped responding 3 months later, and oh, Activesync has been ruining my contacts and schedules databases regularly to the point I simply stopped sync'ing, which is a pity.
I want a smart phone for productivity. That's the bottom line. While I enjoy tinkering around with it, being a software engineer myself, I'd rather not have to spend quite so much time on dealing with phone or WM's issues.
My lowly Nokia 7110 allowed me to be far more productive.
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.. I didn't foresee having to spend so much time tweaking and fixing it. What's more, the jog wheel stopped functioning in 9 months (and I am a REAL careful user, didn't drop it even once), the screen stopped responding 3 months later, and oh, Activesync has been ruining my contacts and schedules databases regularly to the point I simply stopped sync'ing, which is a pity.
I want a smart phone for productivity. That's the bottom line. While I enjoy tinkering around with it, being a software engineer myself, I'd rather not have to spend quite so much time on dealing with phone or WM's issues.
My lowly Nokia 7110 allowed me to be far more productive.
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I hate to tell you this, but the problems you describe above are due to user error... and probably it is the fact you are a software engineer in a world OTHER THAN Windows Mobile.
However, your comments about the phone being for productivitiy... you're right on! I don't care how perfect something is, if it doesn't work for _ME_, I'm not going to keep working it!
For people who enjoy tinkering
I enjoy tinkering with software as much as anyone else. But not on something as vital for business as a smart phone. And the problems I've described are not due to user error, but to a poorly designed and counter-intuitive Windows Mobile OS.
And clearly, WM-based phones, HTC or otherwise, have a lot of issues that serious users and seekers of productivity should be concerned about.
Try using Active Sync on WM 6.0 sensibly, for one. If you're not careful, your entire database of contacts and calendars can be wiped out by this treacherous piece of junk that goes under the name of software.
For those of you who spend an inordinate amount of time installing the latest ROM and checking out the latest "freeware", think about it: Is it worth spending so much time on a phone that could have been used productively elsewhere?
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I enjoy tinkering with software as much as anyone else. But not on something as vital for business as a smart phone. And the problems I've described are not due to user error, but to a poorly designed and counter-intuitive Windows Mobile OS.
And clearly, WM-based phones, HTC or otherwise, have a lot of issues that serious users and seekers of productivity should be concerned about.
Try using Active Sync on WM 6.0 sensibly, for one. If you're not careful, your entire database of contacts and calendars can be wiped out by this treacherous piece of junk that goes under the name of software.
For those of you who spend an inordinate amount of time installing the latest ROM and checking out the latest "freeware", think about it: Is it worth spending so much time on a phone that could have been used productively elsewhere?
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HEhehehe, maybe the 'productivity' is entertainment in making something work? I for one, spent 60 minutes downloading (meaning, I spent 10 seconds clicking 'Download' and picking where to put it, then 59 minutes doing other things till it popped up saying it was done), then about 5 minutes flashing. Then, about 10 minutes putting my SIM back in, re-entering data connection stuff, and re-syncing my contacts. that was it, and I was up and running with a "for me" bug free PDA v17 ROM...
Inordinate is a rather subjective term... inordinate for my grandfather is picking the phone up in the first place... inordinate for me is spending more than one night of sleep setting it up... HEhehehe
Bottom line, to each his own... and for you, you don't like WinMo...
So, what DO you like? What other OS is giving you ANY business productivity other than making phone calls, sending text messages, and composing e-mail? Any mobile phone will do those things, what are you saying you are missing for productivity in the WM world that you get from any other? (honest question, I simply don't know and refuse to say you can't, unless you can prove to me you can't)
So, I'll gladly send you a SASE to send me your 'dead' Tilt... let me know!
Every time I think I want to switch phones, I go look at all the options from AT&T and Verizon on phonescoop and the bottom line is this:
Touch screen - check
MiniUSB connection instead of some shoddy input that ends up breaking after a month - check
Windows Mobile so I can configure it exactly how I want - check
Qwerty keyboard that isn't just on screen - check
I have yet to find another phone that meets all these and is anywhere near better than the Kaiser/Tilt. My sister has the iPhone and it's crap IMO. My best friend has the Voyager and it's worse than that! Another has the ENV2 which is actually nice if you don't care to ever do any configuring of software because there's no WM and the Verizon interface is so limited.
So there. Have fun with all your subpar phones. I'll stay with mine.