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Did any Americans on this forum vote for the bush?

Personally I hope not......

wonder how many recounts they do this time around ?
and maybe a trail ?
read about there being very many activists trying to keep people from voting this time
flyers saying the election had been moved to the day after
and
people comming round to peoples doors saying that the election place they were to go to had been shutdown and they could just write their vote in and give it to them
pretty crazy well suppose some people care more about who win then the democratic process

I'm sure there are some.
The fact that the rest of the world was hoping Kerry would win, has little influence to the us-citizens. Like we should care what America thinks of who we should vote for.
I just hope that this victory, doesn't give Bush a carte-blanche on his foreign policy. The fact that he no longer has to worry about getting re-elected won't help his diplomatic powers. He also doesn't have to care anymore about men coming home in body bags. These men believing they fought for freedom, democracy and the glory of the US, but in fact only went to defend the intrest of some multinationals.

Jupiter said:
Did any Americans on this forum vote for the bush?
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Statistically, one out of two.
Not sure your question is really inocent though :roll:
I think you like hot & touchy thread

The fact that the rest of the world was hoping Kerry would win, has little influence to the us-citizens. Like we should care what America thinks of who we should vote for.
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yeah it could even have the opposite effect a lot of people would get stubbern and do the opposite then what some snotnosed rest of the world person would advice
I just hope that this victory, doesn't give Bush a carte-blanche on his foreign policy. The fact that he no longer has to worry about getting re-elected won't help his diplomatic powers. He also doesn't have to care anymore about men coming home in body bags. These men believing they fought for freedom, democracy and the glory of the US, but in fact only went to defend the intrest of some multinationals.
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but how that he dont have to worry about reelection he may begin to worry about how he looks in the history books and be less confrontational agenst the rest of the world when it comes to deplomatics
here a big news papir had a pole
32000 people voted
kerry got 79%
nater got 8%
nobody got 7%
bush got 6%
so one might say that if that pole had been reality bush lost to nobody

Guys,
Please give me 5 specific reason why Kerry should have been elected, concrete issues/reasons, not just buzz words.
Thanks,

paulmc
imho then kerry was less religous in his motivs when it came to politics thinking stemcell research and giving gay people the rights of marriage in some form or another
imho then kerry was less likely to offend and alienate allies and other countries in the world
imho then kerry would not have a prison camp on cuba where the internaitiol laws conserning prisoners of war were not enforced
maybe the kerry administation would have had less % of people being investergated for insider deals and corruption
and finaly then imho then it keeps a better balance if the house of rep
and the senetors and president is not in the hands of a single party
it's more moderated
just a few things i could come up with on the top of my head
of cause there are surely people who differ in openion

Please give me 5 specific reason why Kerry should have been elected, concrete issues/reasons, not just buzz words
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Who said I wanted Kerry to be elected. Its a case of Predator vs Alien. Whoever wins, we lose!

Not sure your question is really inocent though
I think you like hot & touchy thread
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Who, me?

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Not sure your question is really inocent though
I think you like hot & touchy thread
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Who, me?
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Yes

paulmc said:
Guys,
Please give me 5 specific reason why Kerry should have been elected, concrete issues/reasons, not just buzz words.
Thanks,
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I'll give you my personal opinion, conceptual more than practical as I do not live in the US, nor be concerned with elements such as "he voted that" or "he said this".
I think Bush is a dangerous religious totalitarist. I have no reason to vote for Kerry, but plenty to wish that Bush be moved aside from active international politics.
To me this man should not be re-elected as he should be forced into in LaHaye and charged with the 5 following elements against him:
1. Invading a sovereign country in complete violation of all international law, without UN approval, under very suspicious reasons, obviously telling lies about AMD and supposed connection with Ben Ladden
2. When forced to admit the is no connection between Sadam Hussein, Ben Ladden and AMD, thus no reason to invade this country, not even admitting he was wrong or worst, he got cheated or even worse of all, he deliberately lied to his people, to the nations concerned and to the rest of the world.
3. Establishing concentration camp for Afghanistan prisoners in complete violation of international law, and principles, and international treaty without having those prisoners charged of anything, and allowing no international control of what is happening in this camp
4. Sending his army to perpetuated atrocity and humiliation to irakee prisoners who have not even been charged of anything. (Keep in mind that all the US commanding officers in Irak saw before leaving, the French film "The Battle of Alger" showing what France did during the battle of Algeria, were we did exactly what you are doing presently in Iraq because we were facing the same problem). Let's call it what it is Atrocity. And we know what we are talking about for we did it too!
5. Legitimating the exclusive right for the US to strike any nations they think be a potential threat to their interest and freedom, and denying any one else the right to do so. This is to me the worst of all as establishing this principle is like opening the box of Pandora. It is open to excess, abuse and one-sided interpretation.
I've put a lot of strong word in my post. Take a moment and think about it
- Why does most of the earth citizen desired that this guy be not elected?
- Why did France, which is one of the FEW developed nations that NEVER started a war against your country and which stood many times with your people to fight all along your history, decided to stand-up and shout so loud.
- Why did my small country (France), which has relative small influence, little to offer and many to loose, be backed up by so many countries in its protest?
The US cannot be right against the rest of the world; else this is not democracy any more.
This is to me the 5 reasons why Kerry should be elected.
What would be 5 reasons to elect Bush?

- Why did France, which is one of the FEW developed nations that NEVER started a war against your country
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so that mean that there are pretty few developed nations since when i think i can mention
briten / canada
mexico
germany
japan
vietnam
koera
who were at war with us

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briten / canada
mexico
germany
japan
vietnam
koera
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Sorry I did not get this ? What is you point ?
If you talk about nations who were officially at war with the US, you can add UK, Italy, Spain, Philippine, Laos. Buy my post was more about Western European nations

i were just wondering which countries had been to war with US since they were formed and you helped me by adding some that i dident remember

IMHO, for me it's kind of obvious why Bush will win... (not that I like to see him win), but remember that ever since Bush started his presidential period, the US where attacked in their own territory, so basically all Bush has done is to govern based on terror, and in the other hand all Kerry has done is negate the terror threat and threaten to reduce the weapons and national security budgets. Ok, it might be true that the terror threat is not that great, but tell that to the American people and I bet they rather not take chances.
So, I think that for the American people, which basically has lived in terror for more than three years, it's imperative that Bush takes care of business, you know, fight for "freedom" in his own selfish pathetic way :evil:
Like the old sayng goes "better safe than sorry"... :roll:
[thought]I wonder why Al Gore didn't run this time? [/thought]

i believe it's rare that a loosing party put the same guy up more then once
popular vote showed that people dident like him too much last time
that he were to unanimated for their taste

Anyone into politics?

Made a site ... based off Jim Brousarrd (if you don't know who he is or what he did, check out the main site before heading to the forums).
http://www.therealpatriot.net
If you have already seen the video... would love to have you come in and join our discussion.... Direct link-->http://therealpatriot.net/cgi/forum
Thanks guys! Hope to see ya around!

Wow... honestly thought that what he did was pretty controversial. I mean.. even if you don't join the site... would love to hear what you guys think

Into politics? Are you kidding? I got kicked off the at&t forums... how's THAT for 'into politics'?
(didn't mean to hijack your thread... but could not resist the bait!)

FoneJunkie said:
Into politics? Are you kidding? I got kicked off the at&t forums... how's THAT for 'into politics'?
(didn't mean to hijack your thread... but could not resist the bait!)
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LOL.... well don't have AT&T, but have heard some of the horror stories and saw something on the news that if you "talk bad" about them, they will drop you as a customer or something? That's hilarious in my book.

momentarylapseofreason said:
LOL.... well don't have AT&T, but have heard some of the horror stories and saw something on the news that if you "talk bad" about them, they will drop you as a customer or something? That's hilarious in my book.
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That would be Sprint>>>
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Extra/SprintDumpingCustomers.aspx
AT&T just has over sensitive forum moderators with inadequacy issues. FoneJunkie and myself were banned because of "political correctness". Our crime was we objected to having a Spanish language forum. I have nothing against the language or culture. All cultures and people to me are interesting, fun to be around, and find something to learn from. I just want people who choose to LIVE in the USA to learn to speak the language so we can communicate. That's not to much to ask is it?
Anyway, enough of political correctness and on to politics.
ME FOR PRESIDENT!!!

GWelker62 said:
That would be Sprint>>>
I just want people who choose to LIVE in the USA to learn to speak the language so we can communicate. That's not to much to ask is it?
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From Wikipedia, indigenous languages
North America is notable for its linguistic diversity, especially in California where it alone has 18 genetic units consisting of 74 languages (compare to the mere 4 genetic units in all of Europe: Basque, Indo-European, Uralic, and Turkic). Another area of considerable diversity appears to have been the Southeast; however, many of these languages became extinct from European contact and as a result they are, for the most part, absent from historical record. This diversity has been and continues to be very influential in the development of linguistic thought in the U.S.
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From Wikipedia, USA:
English is the de facto language of American government; Spanish is the second most common. English, Spanish, French, and Hawaiian are officially recognized by various states.
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the United States has no official language at the federal level
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Some Americans advocate making English the country's official language
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If you do so, please make it "real" English, the Queen's English.
Professor Henry Higgins: There even are places where English completely disappears; in America they haven't used it for years.
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Back on topic (therealpatriot.net):
One of the first phrases on that website, the first that jumps into my eye:
"The Land of the Free"...
There are over 16,000,000,000 people, about 250,000,000 live in the USA, so the rest of us, 15,750,000,000 are the poor souls living in the lands of the unfree? the oppressed? Don't you see that that phrase "the land of the free" is very insulting to the rest of the world, ignorant, short sighted, denying our rich histories, cultures and political systems?

Maggy said:
If you do so, please make it "real" English, the Queen's English.
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ROFL... I second that. An English comedian (can't remember his name) was talking about how everybody says he has an accent. He says since he speaks the Queen's English, it's everybody else has an accent. I have to agree.
Maggy said:
Back on topic (therealpatriot.net):
One of the first phrases on that website, the first that jumps into my eye:
"The Land of the Free"...
There are over 16,000,000,000 people, about 250,000,000 live in the USA, so the rest of us, 15,750,000,000 are the poor souls living in the lands of the unfree? the oppressed? Don't you see that that phrase "the land of the free" is very insulting to the rest of the world, ignorant, short sighted, denying our rich histories, cultures and political systems?
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Your insulted because you are adding a word into that line that isn't there.
It is "The Land of the Free"....
NOT "The only Land of the Free".
And speaking of indigenous languages, neither English or Spanish is indigenous of the Americas. From Mexico (and slowly moving north) on down, Spanish is the language of their conquerors. Most of the culture is influenced by a country thousands of miles away. And of course most should know the history of the English speaking people and their relationship to Native Americans. And you French guys... all you got was some of Canada and south Louisiana.

Your insulted because you are adding a word into that line that isn't there.
It is "The Land of the Free"....
NOT "The only Land of the Free".
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I did not, I did not, you did, you did. The phrase is unfortunately not :
"A land of some of the free"
I just ate A big apple, that's something else than THE Big Apple
(I hope, if not, then my tummy is about to explode)
And you French guys...
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Moi, je ne suis ni Français(e) ni guy. I'm a Dutch girl.

Maggy said:
The phrase is unfortunately not :
"A land of some of the free"
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That might be a better way to put it.
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Moi, je ne suis ni Français(e) ni guy. I'm a Dutch girl.
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Dutch girl??? I've heard some stories about you Dutch girls.
And of course "you French guys" was directed at.... well... French guys.

I'm Dutch and Irish myself. But here lies the problem with your argument. The term "Land of the Free" isn't arrogant. It's the truth (though that is being taken away more and more everyday). We have more rights then *most* other countries right now. You are playing with semantics.
How many other countries have what we have? We, as America do have our problems. Education is crap, many other countries have better health care than us, and we have this terrible habit of messing with other countries when we need to focus more on our own.
Even though we do have our shortfalls, the world is looking on us for those and not for all the good we do. We pass out more money to other countries than anyone else, we DO take in an unprecedented number of new citizens, and we are trying to work on our shortcomings.
So... with all the problems we currently face, do I love my country? Yes I do. I wouldn't have joined the military in order to risk my life to defend it if I didn't. My site isn't designed to belittle other countries. My site is designed around patriotism. It is also there as a open forum to discuss people that disagree with me.

momentarylapseofreason..... I like the way you think.
I want to add something to it too. I think we (USA) have the best form of government out of any country. But it has one major flaw, if I can call it a flaw. It is the fact it requires men and women of integrity and honesty to run it. And well, we are in short supply of that.

is that why you are in prison?

Rudegar said:
is that why you are in prison?
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I am in prison (aka marriage) because of stupidity.

a politician in germany is working on a fix
http://www.toytowngermany.com/lofi/index.php/t77380.html
"“A marriage should terminate automatically after seven years”, she told attending journalists."

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The term "Land of the Free" isn't arrogant.
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Not "Land of the Free" but "THE Land of the Free" is the point of discussion
We have more rights then *most* other countries right now.
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That's very hard to judge. But lets look at some examples:
I do not have the right to carry a fire arm and I'm very glad with that situation. If I face a situation of inhumane physical suffering, I do have the right to die and doctors do have the right to help me with that last wish. I have the right to grow, buy, smoke cannabis. Every 4 years I have the right to vote for 2eKamer (compare to US Senate, more or less), I can choose from hundreds of candidates throughout the entire political spectrum, even a party for animals is actually represented in parliament. I FEEL much more free than if I would have to live in the US. But probably much less free than lots of people in Africa, Asia, South America, Australia who can walk their whole life without crossing roads, without even being able to imagine a traffic jam, who can build their hut wherever they please, who can eat whatever they can grab.
You are playing with semantics.
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Yes, great game
We pass out more money to other countries than anyone else,
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not at all true per capita, nor in % of gross national product
quote from Wikipedia, official development assistance:
The United States is the world's largest contributor of ODA in absolute terms ($15.7 billion, 2003), but the smallest among developed countries as a percentage of its GDP (0.14% in 2003).
we DO take in an unprecedented number of new citizens,
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Some quotes from Wikipedia, Immigration
The EU, in 2005, had an overall net gain from international migration of +1.8 million people. This accounts for almost 85% of Europe's total population growth in 2005
After 2000, legal immigrants to the United States numbered approximately 1,000,000 per year.
Canada has the highest per capita immigration rate in the world

democracy chart
http://www.economist.com/media/pdf/DEMOCRACY_INDEX_2007_v3.pdf
giving food to the poor countries chart
http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/USAid.asp?p=1

best city to live in
http://www.citymayors.com/features/quality_survey.html
most expensive city to live in
http://www.citymayors.com/features/cost_survey.html

Have to love people that quote Wikipedia like it's the damned bible. It's written by people like you and I.
Oh.. and one other thing. Why don't you find THIS on Wikipedia; You say Spanish is the second most spoken language in America. It is now!? Because all of the illegal sons of a *****es come here and expect hand outs.
Wow, you have the ability to smoke cannibas? That's your argument? ROFLMAO. Answer me this.... If your country is so much better than America, so much easier... Why aren't people from European nations moving there instead of here? Our Polish/Russian/Serbian immigration is staggering lately.
Gwelker, the reason that we are having troubles with our government is because it is black & white. When was the last time you read about what the green party, constitution, independent or libertarian party stood for (much less voted for one).
MARK MY WORDS:
"Until Americans realize that this is not a 2 party system, we are ****ed"
End of story.....
So... wanna bring this over to my forum?

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best city to live in
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I love Switzerland... but if you look at cost of living in any of the cities up top, it's outrageous. I have several friends high up at Siemens that I visit in Germany all of the time. I would take that or Switzerland over the Netherlands any day. However, it is still expensive. Taxes are outrageous in comparison.

GWelker62 said:
That would be Sprint>>>
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Extra/SprintDumpingCustomers.aspx
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Didn't have the time to look it up earlier... but http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/ATT-Censors-Customers-Negative-Opinions-88010
Sprint only drops users calling X number of times a day to customer service... AT&T is actually dropping customers that just talk bad about them

Obama - Dream Come True or Disaster?

Hi all,
I think it's fantastic that Barack Obama is President Elect of USA.
As this is an international forum I thought it would be interesting to see whether there is a difference of opinion between US Citizens, and those outside the US. I am British.
What do you think of Barack Obama's success in the election? What are your hopes, expectations, fears and concerns about for his administration?
It would be helpful for the purpose of discussion to state whether or not you are a US Citizen if it's not in your profile.
Cheers,
andrew-in-woking

I am a U.S. citizen and I believe it's a great thing. I'm not so sure he'll be the greatest man ever to be elected to office, but I know we dodged a bullet by not electing McCain/Palin. Imagine George Bush with a Vice President that considers herself experienced in foreign relations because she lives across the Bering Straight from Siberia... What a joke.

I live in the south and I think that the old days of the racist guard are over. It's an amazing thing, and I have a gut feeling he could be a historic president outside of the black thing. I was over joyed last night and even got a little misty eyed...and this is coming from someone who is a staunch Nader supporter. It's so amazing to see my state go blue!

burgertime said:
I live in the south and I think that the old days of the racist guard are over. It's an amazing thing, and I have a gut feeling he could be a historic president outside of the black thing. I was over joyed last night and even got a little misty eyed...and this is coming from someone who is a staunch Nader supporter. It's so amazing to see my state go blue!
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Sir, I commend you and your state... From the south, you still turned up blue. It's great to see states like NC and VA (who hadn't voted Democrat in over 40 years) making the right decision. This election has renewed a bit of the faith I had lost in the American people as a whole, the ability to see beyond race and beyond the fancy credentials and realize what this nation really needs. Congratulations to all Americans, and let's just wait for the day... What is it, 01/20/2009? This was one hell of a first election for me, great way to start voting.

I'm in Italy, very far from US, and maybe i dont know anythiiii...
But from first sight, i did non trust McCain. I was more disappointed, when i saw Madame Palin.
Cannot say i trust Obama, as i dont know his politic history; but i thik he's better.
We will see in the near future.

I think the idea of this being a "historic" election is over rated, and also the most racially charged one. There is no way anybody can convince me there wasn't a large voting block that voted for Obama purely on the bases they considered him "black". It should be written in the history books the US elected a mixed race president. To label him "black" is a slap in the face of his "white" mother.
I for one am sick of the concept of "race". I reject the racial color lines and do not subscribe to any race other than the human race. There will be forever racial tension as long as we label ourselves "black" or "white". It's time we give up our whiteness or blackness, and everything in between. It creates division and doesn't promote any unity.
Having said all that, I will support the new president and wish him well. My only fear is, it doesn't matter who is president, it's our senators and congressmen that controll this country's destiny. And unfortunately they are controlled by the highest bidder.

Hi,
I'm from Austria and watched the whole election night on CNN Int. and other local senders. I think its a very good first step. Obama can't do it any worse than Bush did it the past 8 years and I think he will be better than McCain too. There's a chance that the US now can fix their broken image in the world and fix their problems in the country itself. Hope it works.
One more thing: I didn't consider McCain to be a big problem as president, but I didn't like to see Palin as vicepresident. You can say what you want, but with 72 years theres a higher risk to become unfit to be president, than with 47. And in that case Palin would have been a disaster for both, the world and the US - imho.
So, my best wishes to the US citizens. I think it was the right choice.

chalid said:
Hi,
I'm from Austria and watched the whole election night on CNN Int. and other local senders. I think its a very good first step. Obama can't do it any worse than Bush did it the past 8 years and I think he will be better than McCain too. There's a chance that the US now can fix their broken image in the world and fix their problems in the country itself. Hope it works.
One more thing: I didn't consider McCain to be a big problem as president, but I didn't like to see Palin as vicepresident. You can say what you want, but with 72 years theres a higher risk to become unfit to be president, than with 47. And in that case Palin would have been a disaster for both, the world and the US - imho.
So, my best wishes to the US citizens. I think it was the right choice.
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That's exactly what it comes down to... I don't think Obama is our Lord and savior, I simply think he's better for the country than another George Bush. McCain loved to say "they say I vote with George Bush 90% of the time, but I'm not George Bush." Well obviously you're not, but ****, 9 out of 10 is 9 out of 10! 10% better than the last 8 years is not good enough.

It's a disaster unless you'll be one who will enjoy the benefits of socialism. "Spreading the wealth" isn't something that helps the economy or promotes job growth. Raising taxes stifles the economy and increases dependency on government programs.
So whether it's a good thing or not is subjective to whether you make money or take money.
I have a job. His proposed tax changes will hurt me more than help me and I don't make that much money. And by "not much" I mean not much more than a full time wal-mart checkout person.
-Mc

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I simply think he's better for the country than another George Bush.
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He didn't run against George Bush. So a vote for Obama was NOT a vote against George Bush.

McHale said:
He didn't run against George Bush. So a vote for Obama was NOT a vote against George Bush.
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Did you read what else I said? You're right, McCain isn't George Bush, he's 90% of George Bush.

GWelker62 said:
I think the idea of this being a "historic" election is over rated, and also the most racially charged one. There is no way anybody can convince me there wasn't a large voting block that voted for Obama purely on the bases they considered him "black". It should be written in the history books the US elected a mixed race president. To label him "black" is a slap in the face of his "white" mother.
I for one am sick of the concept of "race". I reject the racial color lines and do not subscribe to any race other than the human race. There will be forever racial tension as long as we label ourselves "black" or "white". It's time we give up our whiteness or blackness, and everything in between. It creates division and doesn't promote any unity.
Having said all that, I will support the new president and wish him well. My only fear is, it doesn't matter who is president, it's our senators and congressmen that controll this country's destiny. And unfortunately they are controlled by the highest bidder.
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Many Republicans and Democrats vote straight ticket, this is no different then a black man voting solely on race. They are both dumb reason to vote. That being said I just can't see how anyone can say this is not historical. I agree with you on the labels thing though.

McHale said:
It's a disaster unless you'll be one who will enjoy the benefits of socialism. "Spreading the wealth" isn't something that helps the economy or promotes job growth. Raising taxes stifles the economy and increases dependency on government programs.
So whether it's a good thing or not is subjective to whether you make money or take money.
I have a job. His proposed tax changes will hurt me more than help me and I don't make that much money. And by "not much" I mean not much more than a full time wal-mart checkout person.
-Mc
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You're right, we should stay in Iraq for another decade like McCain wants, spending $12 billion a month, I'm sure that'll lead to tax cuts... Oh wait, how does that math work? Oh that's right, it doesn't. Considering Obama said the only tax hikes will be for people with $250k+ salaries, I don't think your "not much better than Wal-Mart salary" will suffer as much as you think. I guess you can call me a taker, because I, along with much more than half of the planet, forget our country, agree that Obama is a much better selection. Stop listening to the McCain campaign and what daddy tells you, tax hikes for higher paid citizens is not socialism, look it up.

burgertime said:
Many Republicans and Democrats vote straight ticket, this is no different then a black man voting solely on race. They are both dumb reason to vote. That being said I just can't see how anyone can say this is not historical. I agree with you on the labels thing though.
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I don't recall many times Obama mentioned in his campaign that he was black, he didn't use it as a leverage point at all. That's why the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton failed so miserably in their political escapades, it was all about race. With Obama, he showed how he can change the nation, not with his skin color but with his intelligence and his views... McCain just brought up being held captive 5 decades ago and hoped that would pull him through.

McHale said:
"Spreading the wealth" isn't something that helps the economy
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Actually it does. The more money people have the more they can spend, which for sure will boost the economy.
Socialism. What is that exactly? Please explain
And another thing: Its true Obama didn't run against Bush, but McCain did. If there weren't the last 8 years McCain could have won this. But unfortunately for him, Bushs politics failed over and over again, which naturally strengthened all political enemies. And one of those is Barack Obama.

GWelker62 said:
I think the idea of this being a "historic" election is over rated, and also the most racially charged one. There is no way anybody can convince me there wasn't a large voting block that voted for Obama purely on the bases they considered him "black". It should be written in the history books the US elected a mixed race president. To label him "black" is a slap in the face of his "white" mother.
I for one am sick of the concept of "race". I reject the racial color lines and do not subscribe to any race other than the human race. There will be forever racial tension as long as we label ourselves "black" or "white". It's time we give up our whiteness or blackness, and everything in between. It creates division and doesn't promote any unity.
Having said all that, I will support the new president and wish him well. My only fear is, it doesn't matter who is president, it's our senators and congressmen that controll this country's destiny. And unfortunately they are controlled by the highest bidder.
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Very well said sir. I actually did not vote for either of the two more popular candidates. I agree "there will be forever racial tension as long as we label ourselves "black" or "white." Why can't we all be called Americans. Isn't that what makes American great? That no matter where you came from or what ethnicity you are, you are still an American first. Not Mexican American or African American, Asian American, Italian American, German American, etc. why not just be American.
I agree that it is important to keep and cherish historic traditions and customs. Each different ethnic group brings something good to this country and it's important to recognize that. Maybe this election will help bring this country closer together. There is no doubt some real tension is surrounding this country. I would like nothing more than Americans to come together.
I for one will give Barack Obama a fair shot. In his speech last night he said, "And to those Americans whose support I have yet to earn – I may not have won your vote, but I hear your voices, I need your help, and I will be your President too."
His speech was excellent last night. He is a great orator and I am encouraged by his presence and hope that he does well. I trully do.
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You're right, we should stay in Iraq for another decade like McCain wants, spending $12 billion a month, I'm sure that'll lead to tax cuts... Oh wait, how does that math work? Oh that's right, it doesn't. Considering Obama said the only tax hikes will be for people with $250k+ salaries, I don't think your "not much better than Wal-Mart salary" will suffer as much as you think. I guess you can call me a taker, because I, along with much more than half of the planet, forget our country, agree that Obama is a much better selection. Stop listening to the McCain campaign and what daddy tells you, tax hikes for higher paid citizens is not socialism, look it up.
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I agree with you. I never thought I would say that. We are spending way to much in Iraq and need to leave as soon as we can. I don't think that John McCain wanted to spend another decade in Iraq but that is neither here nor there now.
President Bush spent money like a Liberal. I have never seen a Republican candidate spend so much money. It's funny that Republicans run under the platform and spending but many of them as just as bad as there Liberal counterparts. I hope that Barack Obama reduces military expenditures like the one in Iraq and direct this attention to Afghanistan.
I am not however going to argue with you concerning the tax increases for people of 250k+. If he does that it will be curious to see what effect this will have on the real economy.
...but remember when you start taxing companies that will entice them to seek else where to incorporate. Which takes the jobs with them. I just hope that we can come to a middle ground because the real problem of America are not going to be settled overnight. With a clear majority in both the House and Senate the Democrats will have complete control of everything.

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That being said I just can't see how anyone can say this is not historical.
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I agree.... Just note I didn't say it wasn't historical, I said it was over rated.

GWelker62 said:
I agree.... Just note I didn't say it wasn't historical, I said it was over rated.
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Sorry read too fast!

McHale said:
It's a disaster unless you'll be one who will enjoy the benefits of socialism. "Spreading the wealth" isn't something that helps the economy or promotes job growth. Raising taxes stifles the economy and increases dependency on government programs.
So whether it's a good thing or not is subjective to whether you make money or take money.
I have a job. His proposed tax changes will hurt me more than help me and I don't make that much money. And by "not much" I mean not much more than a full time wal-mart checkout person.
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Do realize that 90% of current America from around 1920 on has embraced socialist ideas?
Have you been to college? This is a socialist ideal, you give tuition which is then spread throughout to help out say a sports program you have nothing to do with. In turn the money the sports program makes is then spread (usually unequally) to academics. So are you also anti college because of it's evil socialist agenda?
How about police and fireman? They are paid through taxes which "share the wealth" to those agencies. Ever notice how some wealthy small towns have over the top police departments? This is because the "wealth" is being distributed there. Are you also against fireman and police?
How about your highway and roads? Should we abolish these because the "wealth is spread around"?
You would probably answer no to all three. So actually research stuff before you start making broad over dramatic statements about something you know nothing about. Americans have such a narrow view of socialism because of our involvement in Vietnam and our hastiness to decry anything slightly socialist.
Obama has socialist ideals, this makes him no more a socialist then you if you pay taxes or went/go to college.

I'm from Canada and I'm pretty happy with who won. Mind you...I'm a conservative at heart and always will be, but with the two men that were running, I think the best man for United States won. Years from now, history will tell us if it was a good thing or bad. Until such time, the storm has to be weathered.
...oh...and for those wondering, Canada is more or less a socialist country.

[XDA Meet Up] - 2011. . . . "REALLY COME THIS TIME!"

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We should meet up and see our fellow XDA members.
We should defiantly try in 2011 to meet up. Lets plan early, and then make the best arrangements for this.
Cities that the most members populate and can meet up in --
Europe -
Western Europe:
London - ??? and ???
Amsterdam - ??? and ??? - Thanks for the fix Chainfire, That was a big fail!
Eastern Europe:
Parague - Needs more user attention, WE MUST KNOW IF THIS WILL BE A HOT SPOT OR NOT!
Bratislava - Needs more user attention, WE MUST KNOW IF THIS WILL BE A HOT SPOT OR NOT!
USA-
West Coast:
Las Vegas - Galaxys and ~~Tito~~
Portland - ??? and ???
East Coast:
New York - ??? and ???
Other cities:
Mexico City
Cities/places into consideration:
Moscow
Sydney
India - Mumbai or Pune
Date:
Sometime in June, we just need to figure out times for each city then we can conference them together.

I know one major chef is from vegas as i've met him there before
I'm from southern california.. but vegas isnt TOO far.. I could saunter up that way for merriment

There is an old thread regarding this.
I think it´s a good idea

I like the idea! But I'm living in Holland... I'm wondering how you guys all look and talk.
NRG is from vegas.

Now I just have to convince my brother to have his stag in Vegas....lol
On a serious note, if any members are from Belfast or anywhere in Ireland and fancy a meet up........I would also be up for this

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I know one major chef is from vegas as i've met him there before
I'm from southern california.. but vegas isnt TOO far.. I could saunter up that way for merriment
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lol...I think it sounds like a great excuse to head to Vegas
We could carpool Da_G...lol

I think we should seriously have a XDA meet up, and schedule it for different cities and stuff on the same day, and then conference it all at the same time.
What would be an appropriate place to meet up? I know that I would't be able to take part in the merriment if its in a bar, maybe a Starbucks or bookstore.

Nerd-con 2010!!!!!

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I'm in ^_^
Where at?

I wont beable to go until I have the HD2, and that wont be until May 30(Contract expires), maybe early June, so we have plenty of time to plan this.
Where is another area that thrives with XDA memberization?
I know New York, and London are two common places that have XDA members in them.
Any input form them?
We should have the meet up be the same for those cities and conference them on someones laptop and talk through there.

Merge threads ¡?
Please read here, there was a lot of interest of some, and perhaps your idea of local meet-ups it´s more realistic
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=483612&highlight=party

Select London as a central place..shedule up the meet..talk to OEMs like HTC, acer samsung toshiba, appdevelopers, whom this forum serves as last resort solutions, get some sponsorship and organise..i dont think it will be difficult..Lets give a thought about it

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I know one major chef is from vegas as i've met him there before
I'm from southern california.. but vegas isnt TOO far.. I could saunter up that way for merriment
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lol...I think it sounds like a great excuse to head to Vegas
We could carpool Da_G...lol
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i got it all figured out..
Da_G can swing by and scoop me up ( San Diego )
then we can mozey on down and get Acid.
ROADDDD TRIPPPPP!

Vegas has a few interesting attractions and is always ready for a party / meet up

Vegas should be the main hub for the west coast. New York for the east, London for Western Europe, and some other city for Eastern Europe. Then we all conference live, but time zones will be a problem so why not have both conference separately, and we have them both recorded to see what was going on at the XDA meet ups.
Of course all XDA members can watch from each live stream.
We just have to plan this right. And get enough people.

We can always add cities too, if there are enough members in a city. And have more hubs, that can conference with the main hubs.

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i got it all figured out..
Da_G can swing by and scoop me up ( San Diego )
then we can mozey on down and get Acid.
ROADDDD TRIPPPPP!
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LMAO....Ohhhh the wacky fun we will have

acidbath5546 said:
LMAO....Ohhhh the wacky fun we will have
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Scenes from Road Trip and The Hangover come to mind

Fallen Spartan said:
Scenes from Road Trip and The Hangover come to mind
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I am not dinging my son's head with a car door!

Fallen Spartan said:
Scenes from Road Trip and The Hangover come to mind
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Yep.....Although scenes from Animal house would be a lot more fun....

Learning Geography

I searched but didn't find any thread like this...
There are many people here who would travel to different cities, states, countries...
And not everyone knows about everything!
Yes, there's Google, you can search, check reviews...
But wouldn't it be better if we could have some 1st hand information here?
So that someone traveling somewhere new doesn't get harassed unnecessarily...
Also, we could have posts describing the specialties of your region/zone...
Anything social, political, cultural facts...
This could help a lot of people when need be...
If there's anything wrong in it, mods feel free to close the thread... but i just hope we could help each other with a lot many things this way...
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The UK is the armpit of Europe. If you come here you will get ripped off by everybody, not just taxi drivers. The beaches don't have sand..or sun for that matter. We specialize in going out on weekends playing catch the STD and throwing up on pavements.
Most of the population think Eastenders is the height of cultural entertainment and our politicians take it in turns every few years to see how hard they can screw the working man over.
You'd be better off going on a camping tour of Pripyat than taking a holiday in the UK.

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The UK is the armpit of Europe. If you come here you will get ripped off by everybody, not just taxi drivers. The beaches don't have sand..or sun for that matter. We specialize in going out on weekends playing catch the STD and throwing up on pavements.
Most of the population think Eastenders is the height of cultural entertainment and our politicians take it in turns every few years to see how hard they can screw the working man over.
You'd be better off going on a camping tour of Pripyat than taking a holiday in the UK.
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lol...
the one thing i like about UK is the EPL... i mean BPL now!
would love to attend a game sometime...

DirkGently said:
The UK is the armpit of Europe. If you come here you will get ripped off by everybody, not just taxi drivers. The beaches don't have sand..or sun for that matter. We specialize in going out on weekends playing catch the STD and throwing up on pavements.
Most of the population think Eastenders is the height of cultural entertainment and our politicians take it in turns every few years to see how hard they can screw the working man over.
You'd be better off going on a camping tour of Pripyat than taking a holiday in the UK.
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Completely agree. At every single corner of the UK people try and get money from you.
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I'd talk about my City...
Kolkata (earlier Calcutta) is an old Indian Capital City ( Now the Capital Is New Delhi)...
When the British ruled India, calcutta was their capital... So there are some pretty old British monuments, architecture etc...
It is a lazy city... The average summer temperature has been on the rise, it goes to a max of about 45 degree Celsius...
A drop in temperature below 20 degrees is supposedly winter time here!
We have great rains in July-August that floods a few regions...
The population of the city including its suburbs is about 15million! Wherever you go, you'd see people people people!!
There are some nice places to visit, i'll try getting some pics sometime later...
People in general are nice, but you see, there are every kind of people everywhere...
Politically, the communist party was in power from the 70's till a year and a half back...
It's an old, lazy life-style city, will glimpses of sparks during the festive season!
Will post some pics of the festivity that went on last week... it's majestically beautiful
If anyone plans coming to Kolkata (Calcutta), do drop a message to me for sure!
wiki link- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolkata
Darjeeling, Sundarban are nearby places worth a trip!

DirkGently said:
The UK is the armpit of Europe. If you come here you will get ripped off by everybody, not just taxi drivers. The beaches don't have sand..or sun for that matter. We specialize in going out on weekends playing catch the STD and throwing up on pavements.
Most of the population think Eastenders is the height of cultural entertainment and our politicians take it in turns every few years to see how hard they can screw the working man over.
You'd be better off going on a camping tour of Pripyat than taking a holiday in the UK.
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That should keep Johnny Foreigner away Dirk, nicely done. Keep Britain and it's glorious sandy sunkissed beaches (such as West Wittering, and the boobie fest that is Bournemouth) free for us Brits. Could you imagine if they came over and discovered just how good value Southport Pier arcade is? It'd be shockingly over run within days! By jingo I won't hear of it!

xaccers said:
That should keep Johnny Foreigner away Dirk, nicely done. Keep Britain and it's glorious sandy sunkissed beaches (such as West Wittering, and the boobie fest that is Bournemouth) free for us Brits. Could you imagine if they came over and discovered just how good value Southport Pier arcade is? It'd be shockingly over run within days! By jingo I won't hear of it!
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Rumbled! Now that everyone's cancelled their reservations i can book myself a birth in Hayling Islands sumptuous caravan park!
Arcades, here i come!

DirkGently said:
Rumbled! Now that everyone's cancelled their reservations i can book myself a birth in Hayling Islands sumptuous caravan park!
Arcades, here i come!
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Ah that takes me back!
After a day LARPing around in hundred acre woods near Boarhunt, we went to the Ship Inn for a drink, when one of the guys said "Don't look, but that guy at the bar used to be in the Monkees"
Of course we all turned around then realised we didn't have a clue what anyone in the Monkees looked like, so Davy Jones was safe.

Bergen, Norway. The wettest place in the universe. We like to spend our time in front of computers, and being social means to spend $300 on overpriced beer and pizza. At summer time, a million eggshell white norwegians like to migrate to the south of the equator with our best buds, the swedes, and getting drunk and smashing things (much like the brits). We repeat this twice a year; summer and winter.
We also love to whine about everything.
Welcome!
Edit: I'm borrowing this from Dirk. "[...]and our politicians take it in turns every few years to see how hard they can screw the working man over."
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Edit: I'm borrowing this from Dirk. "[...]and our politicians take it in turns every few years to see how hard they can screw the working man over."
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i guess that's a universal fact!
all politicians are such a breed!!

Montreal is Europe in North America. Living here sucks, because the premier of our province (equivalent to governor of a state), is practically openly racist toward the English. Other than the language feud, and the education riots, its a pretty nice place to visit
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