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I've heard a lot of folks talking about this thing lately, this Nav4All, it's said to be a cell phone navigation software which you can download freely and install on your cell, and then you only need a GPS tracker, provided that your cell has bluetooth connection, this software can help you pinpoint your location, and also guide you to any desired address, well, that sounds pretty cool, but I'm wondering if any of you guys have actually tried it, is it really that awesome? I mean, if what they said is true, then this thing can be a terminator of TomTom, right?
It's an interesting program, but I don't think TomTom and other pocket PC based navigational software has anything to fear yet.
Two points:
1) Remains to be seen just how accurate their map databases are, and how well do course plotting and search algorithms work.
2) Even in the most advanced cellphones the hardware is still limited compered to Pocket PC devices. One major problem for navigation is small screen size. Also, it remains to be seen how well they designed the interface (given there is no touch screen and only a numeric pad).
Still, I will also be interested in hearing user opinions of this program.
Well, it's been a long time since the first posting on Nav4All, and in the meantime, I installed it on my Touch.
I must say, that the first impression is rather dull, and not very userfriendly. But then again: what can you expect from a free piece of software?
After learning the features somewhat more, I see the advantages a little more clearly. A cellphone (even the Touch) has a small screen, compared to a real GPS. And Nav4All is navigating with arrows and voice. Ie no map unless you ask it to.
This also means, that you save a lot on GPRS traffic.
I also tried with Wayfinder, from where I got the BT GPS, but their customer-service stinks, and I never got up and running. And I tried with Google Maps, which I think is rather clever, but again - both of these require download of maps constantly...
Of course, I could spend some money on a TomTom system or Route66, but why would I, if I can get it for free???
Hi all.
I am using an official HTC rom on my kaiser, with no operator software etc.
I am using the latest TomTom 6 GPS Software, from a high speed memory card. Set to use the internal GPS Receiver.
I am getting slow updates, e,.g. i go round a roundabout, and ive made the turn before its updated the screen. This is really annoying me. It does the same with different GPS Software too, I havetried increasing the baud rate, in steps, and none of which, make a difference.
Is there any way i can speed this up?
I would say, its longer than a second delay, and less than 2 seconds.
Got almost full reception, though that does see to jump about alot too, and it has good line of sight to the sky.
Thanks all!
Hi there,
That's strange. Mine is working perfectly.
Perhaps you have another process running in the background slowing things up?
I do believe that GPS acts differently depending on where one is on the globe.
Other than that, I am not sure.
Tomtom works well on mine too.
Where abouts have you installed the application to?
On mine, the app is on the kaiser & the maps, voices etc. onto the card.
I get the same with the same setup as described by the O/P. What do you expect to happen because if you want instantaneous reaction of Tomtom Navigator in these circumstances I doubt thats possible, especially without graphics acceleration assistance from hardware. I think the best way to channel your energy would be writing to HTC and Tomtom about it. Since 6.032 is a customised version of Navigator for HTCs TyTN II and is supplied by HTC then the responsibility rests with them to look into it. Since they are also in the hotseat over the missing graphics acceleration it'll be more examples for them of why they should address that issue.
it could just be a bad set up, try deleteing and reinstalling everything and run it with out any background programs active.
hi all.
Thanks for your reply, well i can confirm, it is 6.032, the one the handset comes with, i have tried a hard reset, i dont think tis a graphics issue, as i get good fps on videos and the camera etc.
Processing power wise, i dont think its that either, you can watch a demo of your route, and its alot quicker than real time navigation, with regards to screen fps and updates on roundabouts.
I can live with it, but i will contact tomtom and find out whats going on.
Nothing else is running in the background, ive disabled activesync, and any other open programs, its installed on the PDA, and the card holds the maps and data.
aNy other ideas people?
i have the original rom (1.35.401 ) and radio (0.93.25) and igo 8 installed and i have a big gps lag (5 sec). Is it a problem of igo 8 or rom/radio? If i flash a newer versions it will help? Slould be a cooked one or original is enough?
This GPS lag problem has not yet been resolved by anyone. Let's hope some rom cooker are able to resolve this lag problem. There are apparantly many people sufferring from this
Hi guys,
You probably used ACT and enabled A-GPS.
You should disabled it.
MonteCristoffOn said:
Hi guys,
You probably used ACT and enabled A-GPS.
You should disabled it.
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Nope, thats not the issue.
A-GPS is disabled.
In my opinion the issue is generated by the interval between 2 consecutive positioning readings. It seems that somehow, the application doesn't receive data's from GPS fast enough and because of that, between 2 consecutive readings, you allready made 20-30 meters - enough to miss a crossroad . For example, because i also have a builtin car GPS, it seems that the IGO is allways ~20-50 meters (depending of speed) behind the builtin car gps
There are 3 options which can generate this issue:
1. IGO himself
2. Windows driver
3. GPS HW
For 1st option - i will try with a bluetooth GPS. Unfortunatelly i don't have one. Maybe somebody can try and let me know if the lag is the same?
Also if somebody can try tomtom (there are no available maps where i live) and let us know if still has that lag
For 2nd options - There is an option in registry called POLL interval which is by default 1000. I will try to set it to 300 to see if there is any difference. If is not maybe the dll has something hardcoded about polling interval
For 3rd option maybe with another Radio version the problem can be solved
Please let me know if somebody allready tried some of the options or have another ideeas
Hi there, I have GPS in my Parrot hands-free and it has the same lag as the bulit in GPS.
Seems strange that the Parrot has 2 times stronger signal (and about 2 sattelistes more) than Diamond And it even has not SIRF III chip!
So it is not 1)
Using TTN 7.45 and no lag
tehac said:
Hi there, I have GPS in my Parrot hands-free and it has the same lag as the bulit in GPS.
Seems strange that the Parrot has 2 times stronger signal (and about 2 sattelistes more) than Diamond And it even has not SIRF III chip!
So it is not 1)
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it's not 3) then - if you have the same lag can be related to IGO himself. So it remains 1) and 2)
possible solution?!?
I have / had the same Problem.
It could be possible, that several programs try to use the GPS-chip at the same time. In that case, it could be that windows switches the availability between these apps. At my Diamond this strange behaviour starts after taking some fotos. So infer from it, that the option of "GPS-Photo" could be the villain.
I switched it off with "advanced config" before one hour. And till now everything is ok. I hope it will last a while.
but on mine the GPS photo is allready disabled and it was never enabled
AGPS
Yes, i think i was wrong. Today in the morning i had the same problem, again. So i tried something else.
Disable the "Assisted GPS" seems to work. Since then i had no more problems today. Lets hold the thumbs!
i've tried another ROM and RADIO - the same issue
I can only say that you shouldn't expect no lags in GPS software. I was using a lot of standalone GPS devices like TomTom Go/One etc. and even they lag a bit even though they use SirfStar III chipset. You just have to get used to it. Of course, new ROMs may decrease the problem a bit, but don't expect it to disappear completely.
I used mine with an external gps receiver (Sirf III), via bluetooth, and no noticable lag was detetcted during more than 800km (from Bavaria to Paris)...
So, there is something wrong...
I just don't know what....
My next test, will be a clean install of the rom, and drive imediatly after. I wonder if any of the tweaks we apply have any direct or indirect interference with GPS ...
HastaSSSS
I am just saying what I can observe with other devices. I've got Go920 and my friend Go520 and we can both see a noticeable lag, the same with older tomtoms we got in our company. Of course it's much less noticeable than the one in TyTN II or Diamond, when I can clearly see that I've already passed the junction 200m ago and I'm still approaching it in my GPS soft.
I called HTC support Australia and informed them off its fault with GPS lag and its accuracy, I informed them that over 50% of users are having this issue on the XDA forum, they told me that no fault has been logged and there isn't an issue, It may be time to call up the tech support and make some noise to get this issue resolved. its a pain in the arse and it shouldn't be happening.
Maybe we should have a poll to get some hard stats on just how many people are experiencing this problem and add momentum to finding solution.
i just made a 1800 km trip and now i can say that in the city the lag of the GPS make it unusable
Maybe we can try to install igo2006 to see if there is any difference
I haven't had any lag problems at all, the only problem is the time it takes to initially get the satellite data.
Lag time iGO 8
I also experienced the lag time issue. However, it is really lag time as iGO8 seems consistently 20 m behind. Try to stop sufficiently long in an intersection and monitor what happens - my GPS wil slowly count down from about 25 m to about 20 m. In other words its consistently 20 m behind - the lag time is only equvivalent to some 5 m. One thing which seems to improve things is to alter the seting "re-establish lock-to-position" (translation from the Danish menu) and put it at 5 sec. Surely I have not experienced any such issue with my Blaupunkt and Mio A701 systems. And yes it makes it absolutely hopeless in bigger cities if you don't know the road.
Is GPSGate the only app that will allow a person to run multiple GPS apps simultaneously?
For example, while using Tomtom, switch to MS Live Search?
Nobody knows?
I've read a bunch of threads on some different apps for the GPS (including one about using a Microsoft setting on the phone, which I can't get to work), and there seems to be a lot of controversy on if any of these are better than others...especially on the Tilt.
I'm a bit confused and afraid to install one without latest recommendations.
GPSGate works well, so don't be afraid to try it.
Windows Intergrated GPS Driver should be able to do this, but I haven't tried this.
I run multiple GPS-consuming apps at the same time without problems and without GPSGate. WinMo supports multiple applications opening and using the GPS serial port concurrently.
I never understood what problem GPSGate was trying to fix, but I guess I should be thankful for that.
My Tilt does not work with Multiple GPS apps. For example, if I have MS LIve Search using the GPS, then TomTom doesn't work. I have found an article at MS about setting it up in MS Integrated driver (based on Winmo2005) but I must have done somethign wrong, as I couldn't get it to take. The phone would lock up. I may give it some more tries.
pmuschi said:
I run multiple GPS-consuming apps at the same time without problems and without GPSGate. WinMo supports multiple applications opening and using the GPS serial port concurrently.
I never understood what problem GPSGate was trying to fix, but I guess I should be thankful for that.
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I agree. I set everything to COM4, and everything just works. I've run Beeline and TomTom and MS Live search all at the same time. never had a problem.
No problems with mutiple apps here either
I've used Tomtom, and Live search at the same time with no issues. I 've also had Live search and Google maps both using the GPS at the same time to compare their search results. I recently started using a tracking program called Sportypal, and I've found it gets a satellite much faster if I've already got Tomtom or Igo open from the drive to the park.
Sounds like I need to test again, and/or do a refresh of my device. (I probably need to do that anyway. I am getting short on memory).
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Hi y`all
Some people like myself have very many problems with the GPS.
After hours of searching I managed to find out the cause I have here a special patch for it.
I hope you all like it.
Install Instructions:
Second download the atachement from bellow.
install it on your device then start the program.
click fix it.
press menu and then reboot thats it !
and have fun
Greats Antonius
EDIT: Added the new program
It is working HTC Touch pro/HTC Touch pro 2 (This is tested)
UPDATE NEW VERSION ADDED
- fixed performence issue`s
- fixed some registry settings
- fixed phone responding strange.
reserved for me.
What settings does this program change?
I have no GPS issues.
it will optimize some register value`s.
it is for people that has problems and people that want a quick qps fixs.
I'll give it a run and let you know if my fix times improve.
much apreaciated
p.s. moderator please make this one sticky
On first run, all settings said they were wrong, I clicked "fix it" and all settings were changed except for #4..?
I won't nbe able to test the performance until I leave work in a couple of hours, but was wondering why the one setting stayed incorrect?
The team will put it on the list of possible bugs.
we will check it as soon as possible
i just installed and ran the program and i this is what is said
On first run, all settings said they were wrong, I clicked "fix it" and all settings were changed except for #4
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i just installed and ran the program and i this is what is said
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this is an know issue we are working on it
Not bashing your program at all, but i honestly cant tell a difference, i still have a really hard time getting GPS to work on my touch pro
Is the .cab uninstallable? I mean, if I uninstall it, will it revert GPS settings to original? If not, can you provide a .cab for that, or tell us what to change in registry to revert settings? I'm asking because my GPS works fine, but I want to check is it even better with this patch. One more thing, can you tell me what were the exact results during tests regarding GPS lag - is this patch fixing the problem? GPS lag is inaccurate reading of the current position on the road - without the patch we usually get two seconds of lag behind the real position.
The main problem with the GPS is radio version. Registry settings make only a small difference. All radios barring the two new 1.14.xx.xx versions have an issue where if you restart the device, sometimes the GPS won't work. It will fix one or two satellites but never achieve lock, even after many minutes (this occurs only sometimes...if it works first time, try restarting the device a few times and attempting again). The 1.14 radios seem to work fine first go for me (with the exception being TomTom, which from what I've read has a known issue initializing the GPS...if you initialize it with another program first it will work fine, and on most attempts will even work fine with TomTom as the first program). While they have some other minor issues, the 1.14 radios are generally regarded as very good (personally for me .25.35 is a battery eater (uses about 10% overnight as opposed to 1-2% on .25.05) while .25.05 has issues when at very low reception where it thinks it is still connected but cannot actually manage to transfer data). I recommend anyone having issues with the GPS try either of these two radios before they bother doing anything else...
P.S. I might just add that it would seem that the GPS lag is largely software related...I'm told TomTom for iPhone (which has a very reliable GPS) also suffers from a noticable lag whereas I know their standalone devices don't. This would also explain persistent comments from people that some programs display less lag than others.
caeci11ius said:
The main problem with the GPS is radio version. Registry settings make only a small difference. All radios barring the two new 1.14.xx.xx versions have an issue where if you restart the device, sometimes the GPS won't work. It will fix one or two satellites but never achieve lock, even after many minutes (this occurs only sometimes...if it works first time, try restarting the device a few times and attempting again). The 1.14 radios seem to work fine first go for me (with the exception being TomTom, which from what I've read has a known issue initializing the GPS...if you initialize it with another program first it will work fine, and on most attempts will even work fine with TomTom as the first program). While they have some other minor issues, the 1.14 radios are generally regarded as very good (personally for me .25.35 is a battery eater (uses about 10% overnight as opposed to 1-2% on .25.05) while .25.05 has issues when at very low reception where it thinks it is still connected but cannot actually manage to transfer data). I recommend anyone having issues with the GPS try either of these two radios before they bother doing anything else...
P.S. I might just add that it would seem that the GPS lag is largely software related...I'm told TomTom for iPhone (which has a very reliable GPS) also suffers from a noticable lag whereas I know their standalone devices don't. This would also explain persistent comments from people that some programs display less lag than others.
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there is a special radio rom version been cooked by our team right know.
we hope that it will give it a boost to the gps system.
new version is uploaded
what exactly does this do?
What registry changes does it make?
this should be in software section, and there are already many threads out there discussing GPS issues.
if your having trouble with GPS are you using aGPS? enabling it will get u a lock in under 30 seconds.
See FF Nokia aGPS Settings in my signature.
well i now got to hard reset , my phone won't startup anymore
I did not notice an improvement, however I have not installed your fixed version.
guys,
sorry that some of you must hard reset your device.
but we fixed that in version 1.1
and fone_fanatic we dont have any problem any more with the gps.
we want to help the comunitie as a company!
greats antonius
With ENERGY ROM and 1.14.25.35 radio, I get GPS lock in 10-30 seconds on first use of the day and within 5-10 seconds in subsequent uses. Just note, that after hard reset or just new flash of ROM, the GPS lock may take more than 2 minutes, as it has to download all ephimeris data.