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Hello all,
I need to have instant notification of my emails and thought the only way was Blackberry until I heard of Push Email.
I have a K-Jam with the latest imate os. I've read that this version has push email with it but cant see it in the programs or anything.
What do I need to install etc to recieve emails from my ISP. What backend setup do I need? I have a pop 3 account that is web based too and i am on the O2 network in the UK
Thanks for your help guys.
Scaseman
Hi,
Push Email (or "DirectPush" as Microsoft seem to call it) only works in conjuction with an Exchange server I'm afraid. It doesn't work with POP3 boxes.
There are probably some companies offering POP3-->Exchange services for people like yourself wanting push email who don't have Exchange (or there will likely be some) but I don't personally know of any at the moment.
DirectPush works by connecting to an HTTP server (Exchange) and keeping the connection open/idle until something changes then a ActiveSync is performed. The POP3 protocol simply doesn't have anything to allow you to keep it open without sending something constant to keep it alive which would seriously add up on the traffic.
thanks xanth
I'm actually gonna have an Exchange Server 2003 soon. I read that I need SP2 installed aswell
Where do I go from there then? ie configuring my k-jam.
Configuring the mobile devices themselves isn't particularly hard. When you set up the sync instead of syncing with Outlook you specify with an Exchange server and just follow the prompts. It seems to connect/realise DirectPush (SP2) is available and that's it. You configure the schedule... and away it goes.
I found setting up the server was the hardest part. Well not hard, just more time consuming. You'll want/need to create you own SSL certificate (which will need installing on the device) unless you're purchasing a commercial one and configure the IIS timeout value (I'm still experimenting with this one) and then finally actually turn on DirectPush from System Manager. I think that was pretty much it though. Configuring Exchange etc in the first place takes more time than setting up push.
I'll have a pop and let you know..... thanks
I am trying out a commercial hosted exchange service (www.utica.nl) now.
This works very wel, but it has a price too: 5.95 euro per month for the lite package/
Push Email works very good.
As an alternative I am thinking about setting up my own exchange server and having my company-email and calendar forwarded to that one.
What do you advise to run exchange 2003 SP2:
- Windows version / SP?
- Hardware
(I am on a 20Mb down / 2Mb up broadband connection wich allows me to run servers, so there is no issue)
Well you'll need Windows 2000 or 2003 standard server or higher (won't run on a non-server platform), but see this link for full requirements:
http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/evaluation/sysreqs/2003.mspx
I am curious though, how will you forward Calendar events (and contacts?) from one system to another please? I'm not sure I'll ever want to do that, but certainly sounds like something worth knowing!
Cheers!
What would the GPRS cost be to have this open/idle connection active all day and night. Would it send check data every few minutes?
I only ask as my contract talk plan gives me 100KB of data a month for free but after that I pay in chunks.
Thanks
Ben
Here's a paper you cna read...
Mines seems to use between 6kb and 9kb an hour when idle. I wouldn't take that as a rule, just my personal experience. Obviously it goes up a lot more when the actual emails come in!
Wow that's a fantastic guide! Should be put on a new post/stickied or something! Thanks for the files!
Xanth,
That's like 5.5MB a month without a single email going over!
Guess I wont be switching it on then.
Thanks for your reply.
Ben
Well it could just be down to me having flakey service or something and it reconnecting a lot (I haven't noticed that though), but the 6 to 9 kbytes was from running GPRS Monitor and running a report and looking at the overnight hours where I know I didn't get any emails for hours on end.
Router settings
The other thing that is going to make a difference would be the setting on the server. The longer the session can be kept open between the router and the phone the least amount of data that will need to be transfered. For example 15 minutes seems a common amount of time to keep the line openm, at the end of those 15 minutes your phone will initiated a new connection i.e. traffic. Obviously the more often it does this the more traffic generated and the more power needed.
Can i push task or agenda items which are located on the public folders?
scaseman said:
Hello all,
I need to have instant notification of my emails and thought the only way was Blackberry until I heard of Push Email.
I have a K-Jam with the latest imate os. I've read that this version has push email with it but cant see it in the programs or anything.
What do I need to install etc to recieve emails from my ISP. What backend setup do I need? I have a pop 3 account that is web based too and i am on the O2 network in the UK
Thanks for your help guys.
Scaseman
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The reason you want push is to receive an e-mail sent to you IMMEDIATELY The problem I see with push mail is you can't really use forwarding between services because it adds delays that defeat the point of it. It is not essential to have Exchange but most current systems employ it
So you need to implement push using your current e-mail address and provider for best performance
For example if you use a specific e-mail address for all your mail that is what you need to access if you don't want to change your e-mail address
If your e-mail provider uses IMAP there is a solution. It started off fairly shakey but has got quite reliable - it's vgsmail (www.vgsmail.com\ppc)
It uses IMAP idle to connect to your current e-mail (assuming IMAP support) and WORKS
As said using this is the best way of avoiding changing e-mail address and low cost (just data costs) - uses 3or4MB a month just to work - but if you're using your pda for mail you need to be on a good tarriff --- say T-Mobile web'n'walk - soon to become ulimited.
It takes about 10-30 seconds from an e-mail being sent to my PDA notifying me --- all for a one off cost of $21
scaseman said:
Hello all,
I need to have instant notification of my emails and thought the only way was Blackberry until I heard of Push Email.
I have a K-Jam with the latest imate os. I've read that this version has push email with it but cant see it in the programs or anything.
What do I need to install etc to recieve emails from my ISP. What backend setup do I need? I have a pop 3 account that is web based too and i am on the O2 network in the UK
Thanks for your help guys.
Scaseman
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The reason you want push is to receive an e-mail sent to you IMMEDIATELY The problem I see with push mail is you can't really use forwarding between services because it adds delays that defeat the point of it. It is not essential to have Exchange but most current systems employ it
So you need to implement push using your current e-mail address and provider for best performance
For example if you use a specific e-mail address for all your mail that is what you need to access if you don't want to change your e-mail address
If your e-mail provider uses IMAP there is a solution. It started off fairly shakey but has got quite reliable - it's vgsmail (www.vgsmail.com\ppc)
It uses IMAP idle to connect to your current e-mail (assuming IMAP support) and WORKS
As said using this is the best way of avoiding changing e-mail address and low cost (just data costs) - uses 3or4MB a month just to work - but if you're using your pda for mail you need to be on a good tarriff --- say T-Mobile web'n'walk - soon to become ulimited.
It takes about 10-30 seconds from an e-mail being sent to my PDA notifying me --- all for a one off cost of $21
My hosted exchange trial gave e my answer: not gonna work the way I want it. The trouble is with the forwarding of calendar events (that what i want it for).
So setting up my own server will not bring any relief either.
Waiting for my company to support push or me getting a business Blackberry subscription.
Good to try anyway.
does anybody has any experience with this vgsmail stuff?
my e-mail provider supports imap and I could live with a delay of 30sec....
hi, Guys
I am using O2 XDAII unit now, and I am going to push an email to the XDAII thru GPRS. I've seen you guys' discussion above, it really gives me a clue to do the further research.
hi, Edsurb, Re: "Waiting for my company to support push or me getting a business Blackberry subscription", does it mean there are 2 ways to push an email?
(1) We can set an MS Exchange Server 2003 then do some setting in both Exchange server side and the XDA unit, I wonder if the XDA unit can get the email thru GPRS once after the email is sent, how long will it be delayed, how much it costs, it seems it is a way that the XDA unit checks the Exchange server periodically while not a true push, right?
(2) To get a blackberry subscription. Is it a true push? Can a XDAII unit get a blackberry subscription from O2 network?
Thanks a lot for your help!!!
I'm using Outlook 2007 on my desktop with 3 POP email accounts, calendar, tasks, etc.
Is there a fairly simple way to sync and push email to my Tilt without having exchange server available ?
Thanks,
DLD
Direct push is for exchange 2003 & 2007 only, it has nothing to do with the outlook client. Why don't you setup the pop3 on your phone? On my phone I have 1 exchange account, and 2 pop3 accounts, and it works great.
You could always try Emoze - http://www.emoze.com/ - some people love it, some people hate it. Not tried it myself.
Other options include using Live Mail - which supports push in WM6, or setting up a Mail2Web account. You could then create a rule in Outlook to forward any received mail to your new address. You might be able to configure Live Mail to pull from other Pop3 mailboxes (I know Gmail does this, but I don't know about Live Mail). That way all three Pop accounts end up in your Live Mail bucket, and you sync just that one account with your phone.
Any good?
TimSykes said:
Direct push is for exchange 2003 & 2007 only, it has nothing to do with the outlook client. Why don't you setup the pop3 on your phone? On my phone I have 1 exchange account, and 2 pop3 accounts, and it works great.
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I could do that, but then I'd have to manually check for mail.
It would just be nice to have blackberry-like mail arrival.
DLD
you can tell the phone to check every 5 mins for emails? that's just as regular as blackberry. battery sapping tho. its in the advanced section of the messaging setup. you can do it on symbian nokias too.
dan13l said:
You could always try Emoze - http://www.emoze.com/ - some people love it, some people hate it. Not tried it myself.
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just installed it, and it appears to be working GREAT !
i wonder why this is free ?
DLD
Unless it is an unlocked version, there is a client ready to install on the Tilt that does the same thing. ExpressMail
WWI said:
Unless it is an unlocked version, there is a client ready to install on the Tilt that does the same thing. ExpressMail
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I like the concept of XpressMail (using SMS notification, therefore good for battery life), though I've had little luck getting push to work. It rarely, if ever, worked on my MPX220. I eventually accepted the fact that I'd simply have to do a send/receive when I was interested in seeing if there was new mail. Now that I have the Tilt, I'm having the same reliability issues. It HAS worked... I've had a couple messages show up all on their own, but for the most part, they don't. I've gone into the online configuration @ https://xpressmail.cingular.com/, and found that I had not only one, but two devices set up (my MPX220 set up twice). I deleted both of those, but for some reason can't seem to get the Tilt added. I can go through the process, but once I select it, it just never gets added to the list. The list of emails online is correct, so obviously the xpress mail app is properly getting the emails from my mail provider (comcast), but it's either not sending out the SMS messages, or they aren't being interpreted correctly by the phone.
I had a situation where i needed to syn with 2 exchange servers, and i didnt' want to run a desktop app.
Google for "seven beta" and get the OWA Out of office. You can set it up to sync only email and it works like push off of the OWA of exchange. If you don't have exchange they have a desktop version. Seven is the same people who develop the xpress mail for cingular.
Hi All,
Sorry if this is a wrong forum.
I have a Kaiser and I want to setup it up to receive my office email on it. Only problem is that my company didn't buy microsoft license for an exchange server, which means I cannot setup my phone with exchange server to receive emails automatically,
Is there any other service which will let me push emails from outlook to the phone through internet?
Please suggest if there is a way to receive emails on phone without the exchange server?
Appreciate your help,
Thanks
yes
I think you just need a soft just like "push mail" and then set it in a right way.I'm sorry I can not take some picture for you so that you can set it by them.
Do they have a webmail or smtp service?
tyguy said:
Do they have a webmail or smtp service?
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Not sure, All I have is the outlook setup for office emails on my laptop, and I only get emails if I'm connected to the office intranet or log in through the VPN on outside network,What can I use to get the outlook emails on the phone (either directly or through push services)
thank you for your help
For push/pull you (your company) needs to install the services from microsoft.
Can you ask if they have any external services installed? Keep in mind VPN is like if you are in the inside network, just through a secure channel through the internet.
I didn't read yet but if you look in the forums "General" section or use <search> you'll find tons of things regarding VPN access using WM5/6 or WM6.1
IF your company has SMTP (Simple Mail Transport Protocol) services installed you may be able to access company email like you receive gmail or yahoo (though I doubt that they have it installed).
The industry I am in, it is important to respond to client emails as quickly as possible. Can anyone explain why my BlackBerry is receiving emails quicker than AT&T Tilt. If so, is there a possibility to receive the emails just as quickly. My email is set to a pop3 account.
Blackberry recieves push e-mails, when the e-mail is recieved at the server it is pushed to the phone, Pocket Outlook can be set to poll your e-mail server at most every 5 minutes, so unless your Tilt syncs to the mail server right after the e-mail gets to the server the Blackberry will always get it first.
HyoImowano said:
Blackberry recieves push e-mails, when the e-mail is recieved at the server it is pushed to the phone, Pocket Outlook can be set to poll your e-mail server at most every 5 minutes, so unless your Tilt syncs to the mail server right after the e-mail gets to the server the Blackberry will always get it first.
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Just as I believed. Thank you for your quick response.
if you use an exchange account, you will get an email as quick as a BB rather than using a Pop3 acct.
i sit in front of my pc and test it and it is pretty instant. the phone gets it before the notification on my Outlook on my PC pops up.
also if you have a hotmail acct, you can use Windows Live and set it to "as it arrives" and you will pretty much get push capabilities as well.
If your server supports IMAP, try using flexmail. Flexmail uses the IMAP idle mode and gets instant notification of new mail. My tilt will display mail faster than thunderbird on my desktop pc.
yeah.. pls change to flexmail.. faster than everything.. i hate BB BTW.. haha.. it is damn expensive in my country..
If you have your blackberry set to check every 15 minutes and your tilt to check every 15 minutes then you possibly finished your configuration with a 3 minute difference.
There is a program called Seven I've been using this for about 6 months now and it is the fastest push email I have seen for ppc. As soon as you receive a email it comes to your phone. When you sign up "it is free to reg. and it is a Beta" make sure you sign up for the Beta. Because they have ones for ATT and other company but it is not the same as the beta.
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I use mail2web for my emails and get really fast, sometimes the email will show up on my phone before it will show up in my inbow on the web.
Also, if you are using AT&T you can also sign up for the Blackberry Connect for Non-Blackberry Phones and get the benefit of the BB Email Server as well... Something you may want to consider.
Hope this helps
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There is a program called Seven I've been using this for about 6 months now and it is the fastest push email I have seen for ppc. As soon as you receive a email it comes to your phone. When you sign up "it is free to reg. and it is a Beta" make sure you sign up for the Beta. Because they have ones for ATT and other company but it is not the same as the beta.
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Seven is the company that makes AT&T's Xpress Mail program that tries to emulate a push email system like the the BIS (blackberry internet service) using sms triggers.
Hopefully the Beta is allot better than Xpress Mail as the Xpress Mail program is piece of crap (very latent pushed emails) and can only be used with one account.
Demonteverde said:
Seven is the company that makes AT&T's Xpress Mail program that tries to emulate a push email system like the the BIS (blackberry internet service) using sms triggers.
Hopefully the Beta is allot better than Xpress Mail as the Xpress Mail program is piece of crap (very latent pushed emails) and can only be used with one account.
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Yes Seven is a lot faster. I was using Xpress before, it is not fast as the Seven. That is why I said use the Seven beta and not the AT&T version.
I was just wondering if anyone has any good suggestions for mail apps. Right now I'm using K9 Mail, which is great, but its lacking a couple features which I really miss.
One of those features being the use of alternate smtp servers. As it stands, I have an SMTP server for my Rogers data plan(smtp.rogerswirelessdata.com), one for my house(shawmail.vc.shawcable.net), and one for my work(smtp.telus.net). It's quite annoying to have to change the SMTP every time I want to send an e-mail.
Second, is the ability to save messages. I have this on Microsoft Outlook 2007, as well on my previous iPhone. It would save the messages locally, so that I always had a copy, regardless of whether or not it was still on the server.
So, that being said..anyone use any better mail applications? Either paid or free?
Thanks in advance