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Menu Delay

Anyone have this issue that after a soft-reset, when you try to scroll the program folder, it lags a bit before the icons show up? But once you 'load' the icons, the next times you access the icon it will be perfectly smooth. Is this normal, or am I the only one experiencing this?

Yes it is normal. The problematic ones are those large programes (program with large EXE) in your SD card that thats a bit long to load. Once loaded into the cache, it will be alright. Try creating a seperate folder for those large programs that you seldom use, or use a method of using a different icon for large programs. Do a search.

Missing Icons on Start Menu after reset

I have a new 8925 (Tilt) and have the following problem when I reset the device, either by the reset button or Powering down, The icons for the programs I have checked to appear in the start menu are blank until I go to start->settings->menus and uncheck then re-check one of the affected icons. Then all the icons are back to normal.
It is only the icons that are affected. The links work correctly and do launch the programs.
The icons in the recently used area are unaffected and remain correct. I am not switching out SD cards and I have tried uninstalling all today plugins that may be affecting it.
Is anyone else having this problem? I am suspecting that my Tilt is initializing before the SD card and creating this problem. Any suggestions?

Any of the effected programs run from the SD card?

Yes. It is all the the programs that are installed on the SD card.

Same issue with Start Menu icons disapearring for programs stored on microSD card. Could it have something to do with the Kaiser moving the shortcut files from the Programs, folder when you assign it to Start Menu???

njmarchetti said:
Same issue with Start Menu icons disapearring for programs stored on microSD card. Could it have something to do with the Kaiser moving the shortcut files from the Programs, folder when you assign it to Start Menu???
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I tried creating my own shortcuts under windows with the same results. So you are saying you are having the same problem?
I am just curious what type of SD card are you using?
I am using a Sandisk 1GB Ultra II microSD.

Software installation - Device or Storage?

I have just done a ROM upgrade to WM6.1 and plan to reinstall the various apps I hade on the TyTn II (which is only a week or so old). I have searched on Google and looked in the Wiki, FAQs and searched the forums with all manner of search terms but cannot find an answer to what may be a dumb question.
When installing apps is it better to install on device or storage (where the option is offered)? I would have though Storage better to keep memory on device free but wonder if certain progammes and any files they create when being used are better or essential to run on the device because of either pathname issues or speed of access?? Any help appreciated.
I plan to re-install:
Phat Notes
List Pro
SPB Wallet
Co-Pilot
Sprite Back Up

You understand the issues already. I don't use any of those programs so cant comment on them specifically but I install the few bit's of software I do use on my device and only Tomtoms maps, my music and my user created things like docs and photos go on my storage card - thats simply because there isn't enough internal memory to hold all of that and I don't want to run the risk of programs not being available if I take my card out (although that doesn't often happen). I've found that installing Tomtoms voices to internal memory sometimes helps prevent missing words and problems with voice navigation otherwise you could just test out things each way and see which you prefer.
People here have reported they can load many programs at once and the TyTN IIs memory management capabilities keep on top of the situation to prevent running out of internal memory. Unless someone else here has experience installing all those programs both ways, I suspect you'll need to try it and see which you prefer.

Personally as a guide, any program that requires autostart (e.g. all SIPs, SPB GPRS Monitor), I try to install in memory.
Any other program that starts only when I start them, I install into storage card.

IMO, its better to load programs on your memory card so that you don't clutter up your phone memory and consequently slow it down (to be honest, i have never faced this on my TYTN 2, but i guess its a habbit from my Atom days...) I only load today plugins (like Ultimate Launch, RL Today etc..) on the phone 'cause these programs don't work if you load them on the card.
I use Destinator for GPS and this program installs itself on the phone by default, so I copy the destinator folder to the card and overwrite the shortcut for the .exe file in the windows>programs folder to make it work from the card...
So here's my pick
List Pro - Memory Card
SPB Wallet - Memory Card
Co-Pilot - Memory Card
Sprite Back Up - Memory Card
I like my phone clean...

Thanks. After more pondering I think installing all on the device may be better. I can get a full back of them all then using sprite and, as you say, if I take out the SD, or if it dies, I will have no access to data. The programmes are only small and even their files (which i suppose I could create on the storage) are small. I think that create on device, store on device and back up to storage may be better. I will be unlikely to install much else other than Mobile Shell and Phone suite by SPB.
That said I MIGHT go the Card route. No perfect answer I suppose. I'll try the ROM upgrade then a card install first perhaps. If I don't like I can always re-install on the phone. I suppose it's easy enough to back up the card contents and the back up/synch options with the programmes should allow back ups on the main PC (or even My Docs on the phone).

pdaPhone_TM said:
Personally as a guide, any program that requires autostart (e.g. all SIPs, SPB GPRS Monitor), I try to install in memory.
Any other program that starts only when I start them, I install into storage card.
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I second that.

Before the Kaiser I used to put the few programs that were really system-related and/or that I'd still need if the card was out (utilities, explorers, startup items, programs that had today plugins) on the device, and all the rest and big apps on the memory card.
But the Hermes had 40MB free when fresh and empty after a hard reset. Now my Kaiser has about 120MB free when empty, so I just put everything in the internal memory, including MioMap with my country's map, and GPS tuner with maybe 10MB of JPG maps. The only exceptions are 2 very large apps (60MB together) that I anyway barely ever use but just have "in case", those are on the card.
And even after that I still have 35MB free on the device

It use to be a challenge choosing which ones go on main memory or SD card. Some were a no brainer, like Memmaid or Resco Explorer. The very nature of their operation dictated they are on main memory. As another stated, if it was a start up program it had to be on main memory. Sometimes it was a trial and error to find out.
With the Kaiser and its massive memory increase, now my rule is, everything goes to main memory and only games go to the SD card. I still have over 40mb left, and that’s more than my last phone had to start with!

Having pondered even more!!!! Think I may go the device route for the small apps AND keep their files on the device (using the SD card for back ups along with the PC). I may do a split install for the Co Pilot sat nav. Seems more sensible to have the APP installed on the device but have its maps installed on an SD. Figure the maps will eat up a horde of memory on the device. I'll likely also use the SD for photos and music.
Having done it all the other way round I'm now ever pondering:
Clear Storage (hard reset)
Re-flash ROM for clean system
Hard Reset again (which seems to be good practice)
Install all in the right places!!!
All this MAY be a bit drastic and I wonder (seeing as everything is currently working!!) whether simply an uninstall/re-install of the apps might be good enough or even a hard reset followed by re-install.

Hard reset already clears your system, no need to reflash. Do a hard reset and reinstall your stuff, that's it.

Thanks. I ay do just that. Only thing I didn't do (I think) is hard reset after I installed the ROM so I'm wondering whether to bite the bullet and completely do the whole lot again in case in not hard re-setting after flashing I've stored up some future problems.
Also, on the sat nav front, any thoughts on this? I was wondering whether to put both the programme (Co Pilot) and the maps on storage or put the programme on the TyTn and just maps on storage??

i've installed nearly everything to the storage card. it might be a bit slower but i have had no trouble with anything... so far.

goodpill said:
i've installed nearly everything to the storage card. it might be a bit slower but i have had no trouble with anything... so far.
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I have to ask... what is the reason for installing everything to the SD card?

GWelker62 said:
I have to ask... what is the reason for installing everything to the SD card?
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i like to keep maximum memory free. usually only run a program or two at a time but i have some rather large data files in email etc.
just a personal preference from many years of pda's

SD card swap

Perhaps a stupid question but ...
If you swap from one SD to another it usually shows the first one ever used as StorageCard and the second one as StorageCard2 (guess something like a digital signature like other OS's do) and so on.
So far so good but the registry has links only to installed programs to "StorageCard". Is there a way to either CHANGE the name of additional storage cards that it remains "StorageCard" or an easy way to change ALL setting in the reg at once.
Sure, premises are that all programs exist on each SD card in the right directory structure.

try to use pocket mechanic to flag properties of old and new card
i have no experience just a suggestion
tyguy said:
Perhaps a stupid question but ...
If you swap from one SD to another it usually shows the first one ever used as StorageCard and the second one as StorageCard2 (guess something like a digital signature like other OS's do) and so on.
So far so good but the registry has links only to installed programs to "StorageCard". Is there a way to either CHANGE the name of additional storage cards that it remains "StorageCard" or an easy way to change ALL setting in the reg at once.
Sure, premises are that all programs exist on each SD card in the right directory structure.
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I recently had a problem that may help you out... For some unknown reason, my one and only "StorageCard" suddenly became "StorageCard2". So, I had a "StorageCard" directory that was empty and all my stuff in "StorageCard2".
Long story short, I removed the card, did a soft reset, deleted the "StorageCard" directory with File Explorer, powered off the Tilt, inserted the card and powered it back up. After all that, I had my "StorageCard" back.
Unless there's a script or utility floating around here, you may have to go thru a similar procedure when you want to swap cards.

Note that the "Phantom Storage Card" problem often comes from saving mail attachments to the storage card or having other applications write data to the card while running. The phone cannot release the card when it's removed (no "safely remove" option a la desktop windows), so you end up with a directory in main memory.
If you're encountering this problem frequently and have room in main memory, disabling those options and storing things in main memory often avoids the problem altogether.

PerfAlbion said:
Note that the "Phantom Storage Card" problem often comes from saving mail attachments to the storage card or having other applications write data to the card while running. The phone cannot release the card when it's removed (no "safely remove" option a la desktop windows), so you end up with a directory in main memory.
If you're encountering this problem frequently and have room in main memory, disabling those options and storing things in main memory often avoids the problem altogether.
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Thanks... I thought my problem was related to mail. When it happened to me, the only thing in my "StorageCard" directory was mail. I suspect that I had done a soft reset and my Tilt processed some incoming mail (Exchange) before the storage card was ready to go.

List of softwares can run in memory card?

I know that some software definitely can run from the memory card. What I mean is not like: when you install the software, the device asks you to choose the location (install to device of memory card), then you choose the memory card. No, I dont mean that. What I want to say is: for some programs, when installing them, you choose the location to install is the device, then go to the Program Files folder in the device, copy the folder of that program to memory card, uninstall the program. Now you can run the program from the .exe file in the folder you've just copied to Memory card (or make a short cut and copy to the Start up folder in Window). Some programs allow you to do that (I know most of the games for example), and some are just not.
So, that would be perfect if we know which programs can be like that, then we can save memory of the device (and hopefully our Kaiser can run faster, I'm not sure about that, just guessing). Of course the answer will be: come on, just try it dude! But, if some of us here already know which program can allow that, we can save time of others. So just post the program you know to this thread, I'll try to make a list updated regularly for everyone, and hopefully the running folders for those programs also ...
I'm not sure if there was a thread like this previously. I tried to search and there're something related to, but not dedicated to. So if you know about a thread doing exactly what I'm doing here, just tell me (and Mod) to delete it.

I've managed it fine with Prince of Persia HD

I don't get why you wouldn't install to the card in the first place? If your method works, it means that the installer hasn't put anything outside of the program's folder apart from the shortcut and uninstaller entry, so it's not like you'd save anything by moving and uninstalling. For those where it doesn't work, there HAVE been some things stored in other locations but they are required for the program to work and uninstalling removed them - if you install to storage card those things will still be on the internal memory but it's usually a small footprint, and at least you'll be able to use the program...

Some apps install everything to the device whether you like it or not even if the bulk of the stuff will work happily on the card.

kilrah said:
I don't get why you wouldn't install to the card in the first place? If your method works, it means that the installer hasn't put anything outside of the program's folder apart from the shortcut and uninstaller entry, so it's not like you'd save anything by moving and uninstalling. For those where it doesn't work, there HAVE been some things stored in other locations but they are required for the program to work and uninstalling removed them - if you install to storage card those things will still be on the internal memory but it's usually a small footprint, and at least you'll be able to use the program...
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I used to think if we install to meomory card it also put something outside, but I guess you right! Anyway, it is a good way to save time too if you flash ROM quite often, that you can just plug the memory card and run the program ...