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Tethering? Do I really need to pay extra for it?

The guy at ATT store said last week when I bought my Tilt that in order to use it with my laptop I had to pay the extra ($59/month plan instead of the $39 I was hoping for) for my unlimited data plan.
My question is, if though I have the username and password (cause I called them for it) and am using the HTC ROM (instead of the ATT one), do I still need to be paying extra for the "TETHERING" service?
Thanks guys

Nope. Just need to connect your phone using the Internet Sharing program, and you should be good to go.

Blowfish64 said:
Nope. Just need to connect your phone using the Internet Sharing program, and you should be good to go.
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That is not necessarily true. If your data usage pattern (IE, large amounts of data) indicates you are tethering, you will get popped for excess data usage. If your tethering is light, then you should be alright.
Don't assume you can hook up your laptop and go to town web surfing.

While that is true, I think they're pretty lenient with it. I had around a GB of data one month and they didn't care. But yeah, keeping it under the radar is a good rule.

wanted to ask about this
With the 3125 I have I was able to use ICS with the 20 dollar media plan or whatever. I work for different companies and I would use that to get to the net privately. Anyway, I went to another company and I couldn't get ICS to work on that network for some reason.
I'm a developer so I compiled up an internet proxy server to run on the phone. So basically when activesync is not active I could run the server and set my browser to that proxy server. Anyone know if that could avoid tethering? I don't have the proxy running on my Tilt yet. I was going to put a nicer UI on it. I'm wondering if anyone around here would have a use for it.

att as of right now has not been able to catch people tethering other than by exorbant data usage (obviously d/ling 20 GB a month on your kaiser without a tethering plan is going to get you caught), but if it wouldnt take you too long im sure there are a lot of people here who would have a use for that.

adam.hodge said:
With the 3125 I have I was able to use ICS with the 20 dollar media plan or whatever. I work for different companies and I would use that to get to the net privately. Anyway, I went to another company and I couldn't get ICS to work on that network for some reason.
I'm a developer so I compiled up an internet proxy server to run on the phone. So basically when activesync is not active I could run the server and set my browser to that proxy server. Anyone know if that could avoid tethering? I don't have the proxy running on my Tilt yet. I was going to put a nicer UI on it. I'm wondering if anyone around here would have a use for it.
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I dont follow... ICs is for when you are out and about and want to use your laptop over your phone's data connection... so unless your new company arent paying for any data, then it will work regardless.
And apart from excessive data usage, the only way a network could potentially check up on tethering is if you use it for weird and wonderful things and thus use different ports.

no i'm talking about the local machines network. for some reason ics would not work there. so i run a proxy server on the phone. That worked for internet access without using the modem OR ics.

I rarely tether so data usage will probably not be an issue. The thing is on the rare occasion when I do I don't want to have to pay an extra $20/month. That is BS...
I just took a very rare road trip over the weekend and tethered using ICS so we'll see what happened when the bill comes next month.

h0mersimps0n said:
I rarely tether so data usage will probably not be an issue. The thing is on the rare occasion when I do I don't want to have to pay an extra $20/month. That is BS...
I just took a very rare road trip over the weekend and tethered using ICS so we'll see what happened when the bill comes next month.
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Please post the result when you get your bill. I am a IT person and once in a while I need to RDP to the office to fix something while I'm on the road. I really don't want to pay $20 more every month for those rare cases.

Blowfish64 said:
Nope. Just need to connect your phone using the Internet Sharing program, and you should be good to go.
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Was this application removed from the Tilt? I am not seeing it in Programs, Tools, or Settings. Thanks.

madmatt079 said:
Was this application removed from the Tilt? I am not seeing it in Programs, Tools, or Settings. Thanks.
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Check your comm manager.

DeniaL said:
Check your comm manager.
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You won't find it under Comm Manager or under Settings... Connections. AT&T has hidden the program (deleted the shortcut), but it's still there, and it works just fine:
Create a shortcut in \windows\start menu\programs (or wherever you want to put it) for the following program:
\windows\IntShrUI.exe
Run it, and you're done.

AT&T settings
H0mersimp0n what are the settings youare using that at&t gave you, I have another post on this forum looking for those. Any help would be great!
Thanks

From a technology standpoint, you will be able to tether with pretty much any AT&T data plan. However, the issue is that doing so is technically a violation of the terms of service. (AT&T goes so far as to single out tethering as being prohibited, unless you are paying for a tethering plan.) In practice, I think most people have found that AT&T tends not to enforce this provision unless your data usage is ridiculously high - at a level that, based on their estimation, is just not consistent with handset use. This is pretty subjective and I think that if anyone got flagged for high usage, it would still be AT&T's burden to "prove" the tethering. (Having said that, while that person might be able to fight against being charged per KB, AT&T might still be able to cancel the contract, anyway)
If you take AT&T's terms of service literally, the vast majority of the data usage on a PDA would be prohibited. From their perspective, only web browsing, checking email and streaming media content that you bought from them would be permitted. Let's see how long AT&T keeps its smartphone/PDA customers if they start enforcing these terms literally.

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You won't find it under Comm Manager or under Settings... Connections. AT&T has hidden the program (deleted the shortcut), but it's still there, and it works just fine:
Create a shortcut in \windows\start menu\programs (or wherever you want to put it) for the following program:
\windows\IntShrUI.exe
Run it, and you're done.
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For anyone who needs it, the shortcut should be set to: 41#:MSINTERNET_SHARING?:intshruiapp

And to make it worse, AT&T is jacking with the prices for all internet service through the phone.
Personally I think that internet through Cell networks should be dirt cheap. Why? No "last mile" copper to mess with. The "last mile" is the copper to your house is a pain in the you know what for most provider companies to deal with. It is the highest expense for them. With cell networks, there is no "last mile" and much lower costs for them to keep the network running. Put that with the fact that cellular networks are so much slower than broadband so their connectivity costs are much lower than DSL and Cable. Bottom line is AT&T and others are making a KILLING on network access. The cellular bandwidth is very broad and can handle the data quite easily if more folks were using it real time for access. In the end it probably wouldn't even jump more than 10%, of which they are ready to handle right now.
Let them know you don't appreciate their pricing. It won't get better if we accept things as is.
Personally, I would have liked for this company to have taken off, if it weren't for the feds. http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9770197-7.html Damn the man!

New to AT&T
h0mersimps0n said:
The guy at ATT store said last week when I bought my Tilt that in order to use it with my laptop I had to pay the extra ($59/month plan instead of the $39 I was hoping for) for my unlimited data plan.
My question is, if though I have the username and password (cause I called them for it) and am using the HTC ROM (instead of the ATT one), do I still need to be paying extra for the "TETHERING" service?
Thanks guys
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I just got my Tilt and am new to AT&T. I am trying to setup tethering. With my old cellular ISP (Cellular South) I was able to setup my WM5 pda phone as a modem pretty easily.
I am not sure what my username and password is or what do enter to "dial".
With CS ISP the phone and the wireless modem setup just dialed #777.
Can some please point me in a direction?
Thanks!

If you do a hard reset on the tilt and soft reset before the customer configuration takes place, internet sharing icon will appear in the "Programs"

Internet Sharing
Does anyone have any experience with the "Wireless Modem" feature on the new AT&T Tilt?
It appears to offer the same function as Internet Sharing utility but I can't seem to make it work... Anybody know what the heck this Wireless Modem feature is and how to use it with our PDA Unlimited Plan?
I messed with it on my notebook when I was on the road and had no success at all with it...
Sincerely,
Charlie

isp.cingular and AT&T tech support - a box of chocolates?

Just got my Tilt last week, and of course had to upgrade to PDA Personal Max plan (had been using MediaMax successfully with my Wizard). But I figured the increased cost was worth it, and that also I'd be able to access isp.cingular (which I had used before when I was on PDAunlimited plan)
Couldn't access ISP at first, so I called tech support. Very nice lady said "You were on MediaMax, now you've upgraded to PDA Personal Max but they haven't turned ISP on - I will do that for you". She did, it worked, no problem at first. Download speed reported by DSLReports was in 600's, vs. 400-500 when on WAP (on Denver's very recently activated 3G).
Then 2 days ago it quit working. I called - first guy couldn't understand what I wanted, kept trying to step me through configuration in Connections for WAP - I said I've already got that going, with and without proxy, no problem. So he says "Then what's your problem?" I say I'm paying for it, I should be able to access ISP, please be sure it's turned on. He doesn't seem to have a clue as to how to do this, or why I would want to. Call ended in frustration.
Next guy I talked to said "ISP is only for tethered plans". I said, "Oh, really, then what am I paying extra for my plan vs. MediaMax?" and he gives me the song and dance about how MediaMax is for Smartphones and PDA Max is for PDA's. I said I didn't think he knew what he was talking about and hung up.
So, what is the real deal? Shouldn't I be able to access ISP?
Would like to hear other's experiences - especially if successfully using ISP and not on tethered plan.

Hey I went through the same exact issue with AT&T about this isp vs wap. Reading all the talk about how isp was better I had my phone upgraded to it. Everything was working fine until around the time I got 3g service upgraded to my area. I noticed I could not connect anymore so i went back to the old wap settings and everything went through. I do not think it is because of 3g that I can't access isp anymore it's just the timeframe in which it happened. Anyway now when you call AT&T it is almost like they got brainwashed into thinking that isp is only for tethering plans. Even though I tell them I had this configured to my account before it literally seems like that they had that memory wiped out from their recolection. Anyways I guess I am not too upset since 3g was upgraded to the area however having access to isp and ispda would be really great. If anyone is lucky enough to devise a way to get this feature added to their 39.99 plan that would be awesome. However like cushcalc said earlier and like what I have gone through it seems that now isp is now tied to tethered $59.99 plans instead.
Also I wanted to add 1 thing to this. All reps swear that this does nothing to increase your speed however they have now become so resistant to even add this feature now to $39.99. So if it's really the same thing why all the hassle to give people what they want?

It takes time to talk to the RIGHT rep.
Don't worry, i went through the same thing. Until i spoke with a lady and told her that "my wap settings works correctly, but i don't want to connect it using wap.cingular anymore, i want to be able to connect to isp.cingular." She did go on mention about the tethering and blah blah blah. And i told her "im not tethering, i need isp.cingular because it assigns an IP ADDRESS to my phone so i can access my computer remotely when im away from the office from my PPC Phone." In conclusion, she did some research and it seems like there's two different $39.99 pda unlimited plans. So i told her i want the pda unlimited plan that has isp.cingular support and for $39.99. So in conclusion, i guess the rep needs to know the difference of the two. Not sure if this helps, but that's how i got my isp.cingular to for for unlimited us at $39.99 a month.

Ok, i just got my tilt a few days ago, it's my first pda/smart phone, what ever. Whats does all this mean and how do i check which i have. i'm on a 39.99 data plan.

I've tried accessing isp.cingular many times.
Always fails.
After reading this post I decided to give them a call seeing as I have the 39.99 PDA Plan.
Well after getting transferred a couple times, the guy told me my phone was provisioned to access either of the APN's, wap.cingular or isp.cingular.
I think I will keep calling back every day until I get someone that knows wtf they are talking about.
I need to be able to access my work VPN, and have to have a static IP

I've been back and forth with AT&T on this. I'm also in Colorado (but Colorado Springs, not Denver) and we just got 3g as well.
I called about needing isp.cingular to access my home VPN. The first rep told me I had to get the $79.99 tethering plan. I said no thanks. I called again the next day and got a rep who knew actually knew what she was talking about.
She said that feature could be added to my account for $3 a month. I agreed, she made the changes, and I hung up the phone happy. I rebooted the phone (her instructions) and tried to make a connection to isp.cingular. No go. Same error message I always get.
Can someone on this thread verify the connection settings?? This is what I have:
Access Point
ISP.CINGULAR
Username
[email protected]
Password
CINGULAR1
I haven't tried calling back yet, but maybe I will tonight.

PDA Connect can connect to isp.cingular. PDA Personal Max cannot. You need to have them change your plan to PDA Connect and you'll be able to access isp.cingular again.

Someone who can connect to ISP, go into your wireless account screen and get the Plan name. Mine is: PDAPERUNL1500MSG and I can't connect to ISP.
here is the weird part, when I activated my phone and called in for it, the rep told me the PDA plans were EXACTLY the same, same cost, everything else the same, except one included 1500 messages. I made him repeat it and said "So there is NO difference whatsoever except one has 1500 messages included?" He said Yes, so I went with it. But I'm willing to bet, the one w/o 1500 messages allows you to connect to ISP.
Ugghh...

Read my post above yours again. That's exactly what I'm saying. I currently have a tethering plan, but I used to have PDA Connect Unlimited and could use isp.cingular also.
You CANNOT use isp.cingular with the PDA Personal plans.

URPREY said:
You CANNOT use isp.cingular with the PDA Personal plans.
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Then why did the AT&T rep tell me I could, but it would cost me an additional $3 a month?? (see attached pic)

Flapjack said:
Then why did the AT&T rep tell me I could, but it would cost me an additional $3 a month?? (see attached pic)
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Did it work? Just because a front-line support person tells you something doesn't make it true.

Flapjack said:
I called about needing isp.cingular to access my home VPN.
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I'm on the media max plan and VPN just fine.
I've personally done both IPSEC and PPTP vpn on wap.cingular
DLD

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Did it work? Just because a front-line support person tells you something doesn't make it true.
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Obviously, I have to follow-up. The charge is there, for "static IP", which is promising. I will call tomorrow if I have time.
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I'm on the media max plan and VPN just fine.
I've personally done both IPSEC and PPTP vpn on wap.cingular
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I can't seem to make it work! I can connect from another network w/o issues, I just can't from my phone. The only place I see to add the VPN connection is under my "Work" network settings....

If someone would enlighten this OLD dog, I would like to see if my TiLt will connect with the isp.cingular.com
Only problem and reply I can use would be to tell me how and where to adjust the settings.
Be kind.....newb at play with my new toy!

Try this
Try and call them and ask them to set you up on this one "PDACnctUntlAdd" that is the exact name i got when i went to the features page on my at&t account online. And it's only for $39.99 and my isp.cingular works perfectly with 3g connections.

Out of curiosity I tried changing my Tilts MEdia Net settings to go to isp rather then wap, and couldn't make a connection.
Portland Oregon Area, with the 39.99 PDA Personal w/ 1500txt
I get 500-900 on the 3G out here, 80-150ish on EDGE, and around 1.6mbps on my wifi connection through my cable internet. No complaints!
Would like to know what kind of a change this would make though, other then the IP assignment.
Bubbacs
In your Settings / Connections / Connections screen, click "manage existing" and then edit Media Net. First screen is to change name, 2nd screen is to assign wap or isp.

I may be reitterating some information here, but I can tell you as a fact, APN isp.cingular is being reserved for either PDA Connect Unlimited, or a Data Connect plan. If you are any of the PDA Personal plans, access to isp.cingular WILL BE TURNED OFF. There are however, a VERY small number of users that (by shear luck) didn't have isp.cingular turned off when they changed from PDA Connect Unlimited to PDA Personal Max.
My advise is.. if you can't get isp.cingular to work, quit beating your head over it and change your plan to PDA Connect, or get a laptop card plan like I did.
I did a long research thread on this at the at&t forums. I cannot access that site anymore, but maybe someone else could dig up a link.

GWelker62 said:
I may be reitterating some information here, but I can tell you as a fact, APN isp.cingular is being reserved for either PDA Connect Unlimited, or a Data Connect plan. If you are any of the PDA Personal plans, access to isp.cingular WILL BE TURNED OFF. There are however, a VERY small number of users that (by shear luck) didn't have isp.cingular turned off when they changed from PDA Connect Unlimited to PDA Personal Max.
My advise is.. if you can't get isp.cingular to work, quit beating your head over it and change your plan to PDA Connect, or get a laptop card plan like I did.
I did a long research thread on this at the at&t forums. I cannot access that site anymore, but maybe someone else could dig up a link.
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Is this the correct one G? http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/board/message?board.id=cingular&message.id=49092#M49092
OK, isp.cingular and a real ISP has been discussed quite a bit in the past, especially after the new rom came out and the PDA Personal Max data plan. And this is when the trouble started. Many users lost the ability to use a real ISP and some didn't. Some of the fixes posted worked for some and others it didn't.
For me none of the fixes worked but using APN wap.cingular really did what I needed, so I decided to leave it alone. After I decided to upgrade my data plan to Data Connect, I now NEED to use isp.cingular. I cannot log in my company's VPN unless I use APN isp.cingular. So I was bound and determined to make it work. After much reconnaissance I found all the answers right here on the at&t forums. But there are many pieces to the puzzle and they were spread out all over the place. This is going to be an attempt to put the pieces all in one place so the picture will come together.
Update 05/06/07 1:40pm
I put this information together with the assumption of readers having some working knowledge of Windows Mobile 5 and mobile phone usage. If you are a complete NOOB to the whole WM5 thing this information will create more questions than answers. I am far from being a tech guru and if I can half learn this stuff with both my brain cells, then most other people can too. But still..... noobs enter at your own risk.
The Connection Profiles
Now, the new rom sets up the two network connections, "My ISP" and "Media Net". Refer to here Browser/internet Settings There is a link in that page also for configure and use the My ISP profile. For the MEdia Net connections follow the instructions to the letter. Now the My ISP instructions differ from what the new rom sets up automatically. (and if you call CS the data guys will walk you through those settings in that link) The new rom will have the settings for a "real ISP" connection. You will notice, if you follow those instructions it has you change a couple of things. For one it has you change the APN isp.cingular to wap.cingular. Well this won't give you a "real ISP" connection but it will make the My ISP profile work for web browsing. I did a survey of users on who had "My ISP" working and the ones that answered yes, I bet they were still using wap.cingular in the MY ISP profile. So they were/are not getting a real ISP connection. I will quote from that settings page and maybe it will give you clue on it's purpose for using wap.cingular in the My ISP connection profile:
# Additional features such as Wi-f and device based e-mail along with other 3rd party applications may not be compatible with the proxy settings associated with the MEdia Net profile.
# If there are connection issues with e-mail and/or Wi-Fi, configuring and using the My ISP profile as displayed below may resolve connectivity issues.
# Configuring the AT&T 8525 to use My ISP will disable MEdia Net (WAP) web pages when My ISP is used for connectivity. However, regular Internet (HTML) web page browsing will function as normal.
Now the best I can figure, all this does is give two profiles and both use APN wap.cingular, but one uses a proxy server and one doesn't. Which brings me to my next category.
The Proxy Manager cabs
There are two cab files in a folder called Proxy Manager, under your programs menu. These two cab files enable and disable the proxy settings via a registry edit. Now, to me, if I continue to use the MEdia Net connection for all internet use, and utilize these cab files to disable and enable the proxy, I am doing the same thing as above by setting up those two network connections and swapping back and forth from them. Now once you have the My ISP connection profile set up with "real isp" settings it will be no longer necessary to use these cab files. All you have to do is switch back and forth from MEdia Net and My ISP. The MEdia Net profile has the proxy settings built in and you will have to use it if you want access to the Media Net home page.
http://home or http://device.home
Now on to the next topic....
How Do I Get A "Real ISP" To Work?
After it is all said and done, the bottom line is you have to be on the right data plan. From what I have learn't, you have be on a PDA Connect Unlimited, or a Data Connect Unlimited before your account is provisioned to access through isp.cingular. There are a lucky few that when they switched to PDA Personal Max, isp.cingular was not turned off (lucky dogs who's names we shall not speak ). But if it is turned off, CS will NOT turn it back on untill you get on the right data plan and that is the FIRST step. PERIOD Once you do have the right data plan and isp.cingular is "turned on" then it is as simple as setting up My ISP with the "real isp" settings. And thats it! For a recap of those settings refer to RonAnnArbor's post here. You can consider this post a supplement to Ron's.
Something About PIE
Now lets assume you got on the right data plan and isp.cingular is provisioned, and the My ISP profile is set up to use the "real isp" settings but it DOESN'T WORK! You pull up PIE to view a web page and it times out and displays one of those dreaded error messages. Have no fear I found the answer on the at&t forums too. But credit for it should go to the folks over at the XDA site. (man there are some pretty tech savvy folks over there! I wish I was as knowledgeable as those guys) There are some settings in the registry for PIE to auto detect proxy settings. Let's keep it simple and say PIE is "hard coded" in the new rom to always use wap.cingular. So if your connected to isp.cingular, well... you get the picture. That may not be technically accurate, but I think it will be easy for most to understand. (at least for my two brain cells it is ) You will find that everything else that needs access to the internet will work, like email, weather programs, but one will assume they have no internet access if PIE doesn't work. Now lets fix that too, but it will take a registry edit to do it. If you don't know how to do registry editing, I suggest you get a reg editor like Resco or Total Commander and learn how to use it. Now here is what you do. Go to:
HKCU \ Software \ Microsoft \ Windows \ CurrentVersion \ Internet Settings
There will be a Dword labeled "EnableAutoDetect". The default value that detects the proxy is "0", you can change it to a "1" but I recommend deleting the entire entry. Also after a reset go back and make sure it is gone. Sometimes the changes don't stick and you will have to do it again. Another thing to remember is DON'T use the Proxy Manager cabs again. The enable proxy cab will re-write those settings back in there.
Update 8/5/07 8:25pm: I have experienced an anomaly of the "EnableAutoDetect" Dword showing back up in the registry after a soft reset. No proxy cabs were used to cause it. At this time I have not figured out the "why" because it happened only twice. I will edit this update if I find the cause/fix. For right now I thought users should be aware of it and delete it again if necessary.
The Technical Side of APN (Or, what's the difference between isp.cingular and wap.cingular?)
Instead of me spouting off a lot of Geek language and acronyms I don't really know, I am going to link to this page. I have posted this link before and the entire page is some really good infomation. For the information related to the title of this paragraph, scroll down to the section labeled "There are two Cingular access points".
Multimedia Messages
If you want ot send/recieve MMSs, this "real isp" connection is not going to work. For over all web browsing, email, weather updates, ect, the MEdia Net profile should work just fine. I leave mine on MEdia Net most of the time. It is only when I am going to tether, or if a web site is acting flaking (that's a techincal term you know) I will switch over to My ISP. If you are connecting through My ISP when a MMS comes in, it will be a text message directing you to www.viewmymessages.com. (As of this writing this is how it seems to work)

Yep, that should be it. Of course all I can see is my ticket to Banville, but from your copy and paste, that should be the one.
FYI, some of the links from the copy/paste are not functional. But you should see them on the OP on the at&t forum.

The full thread can be found here.

Help setting up home proxy to use as WAP on my Kaiser

Can anyone point me to a guide to setting up a proxy server on my windows machine at home so that I can use that on my Tilt for free (relatively) internet?
Ive scowered forums, cant find a solid solution. Can you anyone help?

can anyone help?

How exactly would it be "free" internet? You are still going to need a data connection to access the proxy server.

it would be free because I would not be paying internet charges through my cellular provider using their wap server to access the internet, rather I would bundle the cost into my already home internet charges if I set up a home proxy and pointed my phone there.
It still would register as me making a call, but it would not register as me using the internet, hence 'free' internet.

Well technically that's what Opera Mini does. They have their "proxy" servers to feed you web pages. Guess what? AT&T doesn't care. Either way it's still data and I get charged for it (although I do have an unlimited data plan so that point is moot). They don't differentiate between web and any other kind of data access. It's all data and what you're proposing won't change the fact that you need a data plan to do it and will get charged for it.

Lidberg said:
Well technically that's what Opera Mini does. They have their "proxy" servers to feed you web pages. Guess what? AT&T doesn't care. Either way it's still data and I get charged for it (although I do have an unlimited data plan so that point is moot). They don't differentiate between web and any other kind of data access. It's all data and what you're proposing won't change the fact that you need a data plan to do it and will get charged for it.
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if you redirect your proxy outside of AT&Ts MediaNET you will not get charged

OK, apparently you didn't read anything I typed. Let's look at it another way.
I have a Tilt. I can enable or disable AT&T's proxy server. Does it really matter? NO. Why? Because in both cases data is being transmitted over EDGE or HSDPA. It's bits and bytes traveling over the airwaves. Whether you are directly connected to the internet, using AT&T's proxy or your own proxy, it's all 1's and 0's to them. If they see those 1's and 0's being transmitted from your phone to the internet, you are getting charged for it.
If it was that easy to bypass AT&T's data plan, wouldn't you think everyone would be doing it? I know I would.
Prove me wrong.

In short: As long as you phone has to send a signal to the cellular towers that AT&T owns and operates, you will be charged data access. The Kaiser has built-in wi-fi, you can get around [most] of the associated issues with WAP by using that when you're at home; however, some programs require a WAP connection as opposed to a standard wi-fi connection, which would require you to send data over the air to AT&T's towers. It doesn't matter where the proxy itself is located, so long as you have to send data to the cellular towers, you're SOL.

mjhill said:
In short: As long as you phone has to send a signal to the cellular towers that AT&T owns and operates, you will be charged data access. The Kaiser has built-in wi-fi, you can get around [most] of the associated issues with WAP by using that when you're at home; however, some programs require a WAP connection as opposed to a standard wi-fi connection, which would require you to send data over the air to AT&T's towers. It doesn't matter where the proxy itself is located, so long as you have to send data to the cellular towers, you're SOL.
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Good explanation

You need to turn off or disable the GPRS connection if you want to use WiFi without paying AT&T connection charges. There used to be a great program over at MoDaCo called NoData which when you ran it showed you the connections you had and let you disable the ones you wanted to have off. Then you could use Wifi without starting a GPRS connection. The program still exists, do a search for it hear or google it at MoDaCo. Only thing, I seem to recall that the creator of the program said it was only for WM5. I've seen people say that it works in WM6 but haven't tried it myself.
Short of that you could just go into DataComm and tap on the Data connection icon, to turn if off as you tap WLan to turn it on. Of course that will disable your data connection and push e-mail and you'll have to remember to start it up again afterwards if you want to get your push e-mail.

jspetrino said:
Can anyone point me to a guide to setting up a proxy server on my windows machine at home so that I can use that on my Tilt for free (relatively) internet?
Ive scowered forums, cant find a solid solution. Can you anyone help?
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Did you happen to be a Verizon customer before you moved to ATT? Verizon tracks data usage through their proxy, so yes, you COULD get free internet with them. I did it all the time, and i miss it. ATT is a bit smarter about it. Instead of forcing you to pay for an unlimited plan or nothing... ATT lets you get on the internet whenever you want... they just charge you for it.
In short, AFAIK, there is no way to get free internet through ATTs network like i used to with verizon.

I had a similar question, which got no replies....
T-mobile puts you through it's proxies, so that pictures etc are compressed, which is a bit pants. That's one reason why you might want to do as described in the OP.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=345029

MHC48 said:
You need to turn off or disable the GPRS connection if you want to use WiFi without paying AT&T connection charges.
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This simply isn't true. If you enable WiFi and you're passing traffic through GPRS, then you don't have your WiFi network configured correctly.
Go to Settings-Connections-WiFi and change the pull down for your adapter from "Work" to "The Internet. Associate with AP. Surf to your heart's content without using the cellular network.
You can shut off the phone connection if you like, but there's no need to do so.
Edit: Just for giggles, I fired up my WiFi configured as above and grabbed a 3MB file directly on the phone. GPRS Monitor recorded zero traffic increase.

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Did you happen to be a Verizon customer before you moved to ATT? Verizon tracks data usage through their proxy, so yes, you COULD get free internet with them. I did it all the time, and i miss it. ATT is a bit smarter about it. Instead of forcing you to pay for an unlimited plan or nothing... ATT lets you get on the internet whenever you want... they just charge you for it.
In short, AFAIK, there is no way to get free internet through ATTs network like i used to with verizon.
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yes I used to be Verizon never go back to them again! I used to use a quick fix on one of my LG phones redirecting to a proxy and i got free internet that way.

Messenger Live and t zones

Hi,
I am trying to make my t zones work for the internet and I somehow made it work for the web access. But when I try to connect with the Live messenger, it tells me that there is no signal and that: "There is connectivity problem..."
When I am on WiFi it works without a hitch and when I am through USB as well. Just not through GPRS. I do not see it even attempt to connect through GPRS. Is there a way to tell it to connect through wireless?
Thanks

T-Zones is a proxy service and Messenger will not work with a proxy. For this, you need the full T-Mobile internet service plan ($20/month). At some point, it is assumed that the T-Zones work around to get internet access will probably go away... you really aren't supposed to use T-Zones the way many are using it. Until that time, consider yourself lucky to be getting access for email and web browsing.

yup, I am lucky
JonnoB said:
T-Zones is a proxy service and Messenger will not work with a proxy. For this, you need the full T-Mobile internet service plan ($20/month). At some point, it is assumed that the T-Zones work around to get internet access will probably go away... you really aren't supposed to use T-Zones the way many are using it. Until that time, consider yourself lucky to be getting access for email and web browsing.
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OK, I found out that the problem was on the T-mobile side. They did not activate the plan, but it is weird because I was able to got online couple times. Right now it is working, just like you said - internet, but not messenger. I think that at this point I will stick with T zones. Since T-mobile does not offer 3G, I do not know if to invest in $20 plan. I get through T zones pretty slow connection, but I do not know if through data plan you get faster connection. Anybody?

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OK, I found out that the problem was on the T-mobile side. They did not activate the plan, but it is weird because I was able to got online couple times. Right now it is working, just like you said - internet, but not messenger. I think that at this point I will stick with T zones. Since T-mobile does not offer 3G, I do not know if to invest in $20 plan. I get through T zones pretty slow connection, but I do not know if through data plan you get faster connection. Anybody?
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Data plan does not get you faster speed, but you could use socket services to say play online games or use different IMs, and of course if you travels a lot around airport or stay at starbucks a lot, the hotspot is a real plus, for just $14 more a month...

lifanus said:
Data plan does not get you faster speed, but you could use socket services to say play online games or use different IMs, and of course if you travels a lot around airport or stay at starbucks a lot, the hotspot is a real plus, for just $14 more a month...
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I have tryed all tmobile setting and different rom but i still can not get t-zone to work..

That is odd?
soloyo said:
I have tryed all tmobile setting and different rom but i still can not get t-zone to work..
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I actually changed to Data Plan, because the Hot Spot is really nice for my laptop and so I got it. The odd thing is I did not have to change anything in my settings and they still work. Have not tried the Proxy server yet for IM yet.
Check some forums, I think somebody posted exact setting on the forum, but I can give you mine:
WAP: 216.155.50:9201
Secure WAP: 216.155.165.50:9203
Socks: 216.155.165.50:1080
This should work just fine for the data (does fine for me). I know that somebody also posted a cab file for T-Mobile settings, look up the forums the name is tmobyjoe599
Good luck!

Internet Sharing - Bad Connectivity

I’m here on the coast at Keesler Air Force base. There is no internet to speak of and I do not want to spend roughly $1,400 to obtain it through a Cell provider for my laptop. I setup the Internet Sharing on my TILT and it works somewhat. Well, I lied. It stays “connected” however the damn thing peers off and the laptop continuously loses connectivity.
I only use Skype and sometimes webmail with the Internet Sharing and it cannot handle it. Every minute, sometimes up to six minutes, Skype videocalls and standard webcalls are dropped and I test the internet connection to see that it’s timing out for another minute or so and then it magically reappears.
I closed all applications and the antivirus crap to ensure that there was no extra throughput bandwidth. Anyway, I’m about to lose my damn mind here because I cannot stay in contact with my fiancée who’s on the other side of the globe right now.
According to the phone I’m only getting the Edge network and that makes sense as there are not 3G towers nearby. The signal continually shifts from two bars to four bars. I have used the Kraiser Tweak to enable HDSPA but that service is not being picked up.
Any ideas as to how I can keep the connectivity from dropping between the cellphone and the laptop? I assume that’s the issue as the phone stays “Status: connected” within the Internet Sharing application.
If it matters, I can only use the "Media Net" option under Network Connections. Media Net utilizes the wap.cingular access point.
I have tried to use the "ATT ISP GPRS" option but it continually loops through attempts to connect to the internet. Eventually it gives up without any success. The ATT ISP GPRS uses the isp.cingular access point.
Please any assistance would be most appreciated. This United States Airman is about to lose is frigging mind over the fact that he can’t communicate with anyone any longer. Ugh!!!
Thanks to any thoughts and advice to better my situation...
Oh and for the record, if it isn't understood being a Tilt, my provider is ATT.

HSDPA will not work without 3G service. MEdia Net is the best way to tether, I use it all the time. Make sure the proxy option is unchecked, or you will get very poor speeds and high latency.

What do you mean by HSDPA? Also, I tried with MEDIANET but I continually lost connectivity. However, ATT ISP GPRS seems just as bad if not worse. Any thoughts on something I can do to boost connectivity? I don't know about the proxy but where I looked one is NOT enabled.
I enabled IP Compression and Software Compression for ATT ISP GPRS and it hasn't seem to have any affect...
Thanks a lot.

crypted said:
What do you mean by HSDPA? Also, I tried with MEDIANET but I continually lost connectivity. However, ATT ISP GPRS seems just as bad if not worse. Any thoughts on something I can do to boost connectivity? I don't know about the proxy but where I looked one is NOT enabled.
I enabled IP Compression and Software Compression for ATT ISP GPRS and it hasn't seem to have any affect...
Thanks a lot.
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You mentioned HSDPA, so that's why I said it. As for ATT ISP GPRS, you do not want to use that unless you have a modem tethering option on your AT&T account. If you go under MEdia Net settings, and then check the Proxy tab, make sure the proxy option is unchecked.

Allrighty, I've confirmed that the Proxy is not enabled. The only thing on the Proxy option section that is enabled is the first option where it says this network connects to the internet.
Any ideas on stabilizing internet on a 2 - 3 bar Edge network? If I do more than one task (more than one website OR a website and Skype) the internet gets lost quite easily...
Thanks a lot man.

Wow when I was over that way I dont recall have any issues with ATT and internet. When I access the net while tethered I use the ATT program that connects via laptop... Its not the internet sharing program.... Its called ATT Communication Manager... It may read as being tethered so if you dont have tethering on your plan then I dont know if id use it. If you have tethering it works great for me. Heres a link for the download...
http://www.wireless.att.com/businesssupport/setupOTW.do?phone=ATTTilt

You might want to try flashing another rom and radio. I remember I had an issue similar to this with my hermes from ATT. Swapping to another radio can definitely boost your signal quality. If your signal drops too low even for a second, it can cause major latency issues on the edge network( which WILL cause skype to dop a call ) . I recommend trying a ROM that already has a radio packaged in with it to save you the trouble of having to match a radio to a rom. Also look for one that has the network configuration cab built in so it can automatically set up your Connection settings for you.
Hope this helps

Allrighty... I don't have much time to research ROMS or RADIOS unfortunately. Any suggestions on where to find them, or what I might use? I'd almost prefer just to change RADIOS so long as I can find the original RADIO to replace any changes back to what I was using...
Currently, I have:
ROM 1.62.502.0
RADIO 1.27.14.09
Any help to further this US Airman along would be appreciated.
Thanks.