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[Q] Cooked roms v shipped roms

'I am a flasher and proud of it!' oops that it wasn't meant to come out like that.
I have always flashed my HTC devices with cooked roms, the reason is the great chefs iron out bugs that the official HTC devs maybe didn't have time (or the ability?) to do. This makes them generally more stable and faster, however i have never been with a device at the beginning, meaning when the cooking first starts.
So far with the HD i have been underwhelmed by the current crop of cooked roms, this considering we have such amazing chefs on here such as Dutty and Laurentius to name 2. I have found all of them unstable slow and unresponsive so much so that i have re-flashed the shipped rom.
i want to know is this just because we are at the beginning with this device or is it that maybe it was an optimised rom in the first place?
I don't want to insult any of the chefs, these are the very people who have sorted and made so many of my phones fantastic. Furthermore i have nothing but respect for anyone willing to share their work with a stranger, this is a genuinely honest question.

have you tried all the ROMs available
i had the same impressions as you about stability
or my phone just did not like them
but then i tried "a Touch of HD" by kwbr
awesome clean fast and stable ROM,
it doesn't need to be updated every few days because of bugs,
because it doesn't throw everything in (a ton of 3rd party apps), but it's also NOT anemic (very close to stock).
anyway i'm happy but the point is maybe try a few other ROMs
to find the one that suits you and your phone

Sir.B said:
anyway i'm happy but the point is maybe try a few other ROMs
to find the one that suits you and your phone
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i will try that rom next time i have time to re flash. The main problem i have and i'm sure many other people have is my phone is a busy phone and i just don't have the time to keep trying roms. Your advice is good specific advice which is hard to find when sifting through massive rom threads!
A question, do you think that the cooked roms have improved the performance of the HD?

donbronzi said:
'I am a flasher and proud of it!' oops that it wasn't meant to come out like that.
I have always flashed my HTC devices with cooked roms, the reason is the great chefs iron out bugs that the official HTC devs maybe didn't have time (or the ability?) to do. This makes them generally more stable and faster, however i have never been with a device at the beginning, meaning when the cooking first starts.
So far with the HD i have been underwhelmed by the current crop of cooked roms, this considering we have such amazing chefs on here such as Dutty and Laurentius to name 2. I have found all of them unstable slow and unresponsive so much so that i have re-flashed the shipped rom.
i want to know is this just because we are at the beginning with this device or is it that maybe it was an optimised rom in the first place?
I don't want to insult any of the chefs, these are the very people who have sorted and made so many of my phones fantastic. Furthermore i have nothing but respect for anyone willing to share their work with a stranger, this is a genuinely honest question.
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I am very critical mate and I felt the same tried most which I found better than the shipped ROM I had from Orange for various reasons but speed seemed average until I tried Davideuck V3 - it feels so darn responsive I thought I had a new phone! Of course that is my view and others may say different but hey.
Hard reset after flashing (woops that can sound a little dodgy too depends how twisted your mind is...)

donbronzi said:
A question, do you think that the cooked roms have improved the performance of the HD?
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from stock?
most definitely!

CutePinkSox said:
I am very critical mate and I felt the same tried most which I found better than the shipped ROM I had from Orange for various reasons but speed seemed average until I tried Davideuck V3...)
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I tried that rom and found it a little sluggish, ie missed calls because of lack of responsiveness, i also had trouble installing Igo8. That rom is was the first that made me think the cooked roms where getting somewhere but then it still felt too buggy?
I need it to be stable.
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Hard reset after flashing (woops that can sound a little dodgy too depends how twisted your mind is...)
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Flashing is a dodgy business!

Im still using duttys 1.5, before that tried few but i found this most stable and fast. I wouldnt swap back to stock anymore.
So faaast this is :> waiting 1.8 version to come if theres some new shiny things. 1.6 and 1.7 werent so high priority so didnt update to those.

tunppi said:
Im still using duttys 1.5, before that tried few but i found this most stable and fast. I wouldnt swap back to stock anymore.
So faaast this is :> waiting 1.8 version to come if theres some new shiny things. 1.6 and 1.7 werent so high priority so didnt update to those.
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My first cooked rom was Duttys 1.7 and i found it no faster, more buggy and less stable than my original rom.
Have flashed touch of HD this morning and really hope that i can tell the difference. SO far i am still not convinced!

donbronzi said:
My first cooked rom was Duttys 1.7 and i found it no faster, more buggy and less stable than my original rom.
Have flashed touch of HD this morning and really hope that i can tell the difference. SO far i am still not convinced!
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try davideucks v3.. it really convinced me

donbronzi said:
I tried that rom and found it a little sluggish, ie missed calls because of lack of responsiveness, i also had trouble installing Igo8. That rom is was the first that made me think the cooked roms where getting somewhere but then it still felt too buggy?
I need it to be stable.
Flashing is a dodgy business!
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I respect your point of view but, from my point of view I can't think that there's no difference between cooked and shipped roms. Before starting to cook my rom, I've tried the dutty one too, and the difference with the official one is consistent. And I think this is the same for all cooked roms here. Obviusly some are much stable, others not, but you can simply try them and chose the best for you.
After this, excuse me, but what version of IGO8 are you using??
I've IGO v8.3.2.64029 and works perfect on mine device, and I think I'm not the only one, other people have wrote that IGO runs well on mine rom.
Then, you could simply post in my thread and even you would have gotten useful suggestions

davideuck said:
After this, excuse me, but what version of IGO8 are you using??
I've IGO v8.3.2.64029 and works perfect on mine device, and I think I'm not the only one, other people have wrote that IGO runs well on mine rom.
Then, you could simply post in my thread and even you would have gotten useful suggestions
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Sorry mate, i agree with you totaly should have posted this on your thread and will do now. I did think your rom was the best i'd tried actually, really liked the look of the rom as well. I have IGO8 8.1 something something. It wouldn't install, it started then just ended. I had this problem on another rom as well.
My point is that hte cooked roms are good, and some i've tried like yours are very good. Just i've noticed in alot of the cooked roms have issues with stability, sluggishness unresponsiveness etc which were't in the shipped rom.
My feeling on it are that the shipped rom was a pretty good starting point and unlike (for example) the Kaiser, the HD as an End user device is pretty much there (video isuues beside).
Just to reiterate this isnt in any way an insult to any of the cooks that grace XDA devs. You really are doing superb stuff!!

Always remember to hard reset after flashing, that could have some effect.
No idea how you cant see it but every game, touchflo, movies work waay better with proper custom roms like duttys and laurentius.
Couldnt watch some movies properly before flashing now every movie and video clip work smooth and not dropping frames or lagging sound.

I must admit that flashing cooked rom for Diamond seem to have more advancement in feature/speed/stability compared to the HD at this moment.
I'm currently flashing HD back to the stock rom from Dutty's 1.7. Dutty's rom wasn't bad, just it seems that the stock rom isn't shabby enough to make the change as of today.

jonathanguu said:
I must admit that flashing cooked rom for Diamond seem to have more advancement in feature/speed/stability compared to the HD at this moment.
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You may be forgetting something important.. The Diamond has less memory to start with in the first place, so making a cleaner ROM for it can fix this problem by removing unimportant stuff. As for the HD, if I get 30-something percent of occupied memory when it WM is fully loaded - there's much less to be fixed...

At first with the Kaiser, the cooked roms were only a small improvement on the stock. But over time they just kept getting better and better as more problems were solved and more features added.
The HD is still quite new, but some great features like Flash in IE & opera, are starting to make a big difference between the stock & cooked roms.
I'm sure with more time the cooked roms will get incrementally better an better.
Shame a chef can't cook in a hardware keyboard for the HD!

DavidMc0 said:
At first with the Kaiser, the cooked roms were only a small improvement on the stock. But over time they just kept getting better and better as more problems were solved and more features added.
The HD is still quite new, but some great features like Flash in IE & opera, are starting to make a big difference between the stock & cooked roms.
I'm sure with more time the cooked roms will get incrementally better an better.
Shame a chef can't cook in a hardware keyboard for the HD!
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Yeah the HD is really new, the cooks and helpers are often getting ideas and apps from the Diamond forum. We'll catch up in time.
Cooking a hard keyboard into the ROM would be nice, but it sounds like black magic cooking!

DavidMc0 said:
At first with the Kaiser, the cooked roms were only a small improvement on the stock. But over time they just kept getting better and better as more problems were solved and more features added.
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This is what i really wanted to know, i didn't get the kaiser until it had been out for 4-5 months.
I have been using the touch of HD rom for the last couple of days, it does seem smoother and is definatly stable. Got some time now so will put it through its paces.
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my experience: with the trinity and the wizard, the limitations of the hardware were so stringent (ROM, CPU, drivers, GPS!) that tuning introduced very significant improvements. For example, my stock ROM was hiding the GPS, that appeared through cooked ROMs!!!!
The touch HD has a much more mature hardware, and it is born with the same windows mobile version we are all using. So, it is not surprising that available cooked rom, few months after its commercial release, are not so different in performances from the stock rom. In particular, REMOVING applications has a much less effect on the touch HD, since finally memory is not on the critical path...
Said this, i do feel that some cooked roms are faster than others, and some other ROMs are better tweaked but essentially stock roms. I can speak about my ROM: I changed the theme and tuned some settings, but it is essentially a stock ROM (latest release, but stock touch HD ROM). Other cooks have been able to introduce and experiment new features (drivers, pagepool) and, in my opinion, did a visible job in improving the basic performances. In this moment, i have to admit i am happily running DavideUck V3 and i have no problem in recognizing it is faster than the stock ROM 1.14 delivered with my HD.
Concerning stability, i have absolutely no issues with it. And yes - don't confuse radio roms with OS: radio ROM do introduce visible benefits also - but they are never cooked YET...

well i think all the chefs try and out do each other to a degree. (i mean no disrespect and some competition is good keeps them on there feet) they all want to cook the latest apps, radios and o/s builds and release first this means that they dont always get tested as well as they used to (hence slow buggy etc as theve being rushed and released for the hell of it). I and others had all these problems with the athena at the begining the 1st cooked rom for the device had obvious bugs like no sms ability or no incoming calls. and this was from a respected member of this community. i know excitement gets the better of all of us and id rather have some crap roms than no choice at all but with the current hardware i think its best to cook your own roms with a known stable rom as the base and cook in what you need or taken progs out.
Saying that ive not got around to cooking yet, I'm too lazy, but deffo ther best way forward
TOO MANY COOKS SPOIL THE BROTH

Cooking your own rom is indeed advantageous but i really haven't got the time. The chefs know what to take out and what to leave from experience learned over time i guess.
I do agree there is a tendancy to upload cooked roms before testing which i suppose is the point, let the people test and suggest! What we need is a thread which post 'finished' or 'perfected' rom series's then score each on multimedia, business, lite, heavy, speedy, stable etc, people who've used the roms can then mark each point out of 5. This will give a better picture of what each rom is about.
It can be an absolute night mare sifting through rom threads to get a flavour of the rom.
There is a 'rom of the month thread' which is irrelevant for many as it depends on what you like on your rom, says nothing for the roms specifics and character.
Might look into creating such a beast, any points you think should a rom should be marked on maybe you could list?
Hope this made sense

Original vs cooked roms

Hi there
I'm a newbie and wondering how much I'm missing out on by sticking with the stock ROM my HD came with. Could I be experiencing better, faster performance, improved features, etc, etc with a cooked ROM, or are the differences actually pretty marginal and just for those who really enjoy modifying and customising their device?
I know I will lose my ability to call up HTC and complain if something goes wrong with my HD whilst I keep the original ROM, so I'm just trying to gauge whether the benefits of changing to a cooked ROM are worth it. I don't see myself changing ROMs a lot, but I'd love better performance and there are quite a few features of original software that bother me.
Thanks for any advice!
Daniel

ordinary people used ordinary thing...

dkwalsh said:
Hi there
I'm a newbie and wondering how much I'm missing out on by sticking with the stock ROM my HD came with. Could I be experiencing better, faster performance, improved features, etc, etc with a cooked ROM, or are the differences actually pretty marginal and just for those who really enjoy modifying and customising their device?
I know I will lose my ability to call up HTC and complain if something goes wrong with my HD whilst I keep the original ROM, so I'm just trying to gauge whether the benefits of changing to a cooked ROM are worth it. I don't see myself changing ROMs a lot, but I'd love better performance and there are quite a few features of original software that bother me.
Thanks for any advice!
Daniel
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In my experience cooked roms are cooked so they are better, more stable, have less issues & bugs, have faster performances & improved features. Thats the whole point, plus you can always revert back to stock rom anytime you want as all are available to download from the wiki

cooked roms are alot better imho, obviously depends which 1 you go for, a lite 1 will make your phone alot faster, some are feature-packed and so on.
I am currently using a cooked rom but if ever i needed to return to HTC i will put original rom on it.

Cooked is definitely the way to go. Especially if you run one of the many roms available from our own great chefs here at XDA. They are always more stable and way faster than stock roms. Plus, if you are worried about warranty and such, it is always completely reversible
You have to at least try one! If you need information on how to do it look at the guide in my signature or read the wiki. Cheers!

A long time ago a galaxy far far away, I too was a purist always stuck with stock ROM but one day I woke up and smelled the coffee and jumped ship since then I have never looked back! cooked rom is the way to go!. yes you may get one rotten apple but that doesnt mean the rest are bad far from it! I have been flashing rom's back and forth since my TyTN days and I can tell you this much, HTC or any other OEM could a learn a thing or two from the fine Chefs that have graced their presence in XDA over the last couple of years!!
As they say "don't be shy give it try or you will never know"!!!

Well, I'm convinced. Thanks for the opinions, and here goes....!

well this is only one way only once you flashed the cooked ROM then you have to continuously flash it as long as it is continued, means you will be addicted and you have to flash each new ROM that comes out, so your device will become the lab for testing new ROMs , any how you will like it that way.

ehsanij said:
well this is only one way only once you flashed the cooked ROM then you have to continuously flash it as long as it is continued, means you will be addicted and you have to flash each new ROM that comes out, so your device will become the lab for testing new ROMs , any how you will like it that way.
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im agree wit it....
especially when u flash, try to find a most suitable ROM for your usage....
[ stonedge = ordinary people used ordinary thing... ]
will when find it when u eat from chef cooking ROM here ...

- Faster
- More functional
- Fun to do (flash-aholic here )

ehsanij said:
then you have to continuously flash it as long as it is continued, means you will be addicted and you have to flash each new ROM that comes out
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Word!

The reason I have put off flashing my ROM is because there are so many I really have no idea where to start?
I just want a good ROM which makes my device faster, more stable, and look better. Any ideas?

ScarySquirrel said:
The reason I have put off flashing my ROM is because there are so many I really have no idea where to start?
I just want a good ROM which makes my device faster, more stable, and look better. Any ideas?
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Same here.
Im waiting for a cooked WM 6.5 based on an original release.
Wasnt WM 6.5 supposed to be officially released yesterday on Microsofts TechED?
Cant find anything about it on the net...

ScarySquirrel said:
The reason I have put off flashing my ROM is because there are so many I really have no idea where to start?
I just want a good ROM which makes my device faster, more stable, and look better. Any ideas?
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I only have experience with duttys 2.x and Miri's roms since 5.x
Dutty has wm6.1, miri wm6.5 as the base, I personally like to have the newest stuff...
Dutty has a lot of stuff packed together which is also quite nice, but.. like I said, I rather go with the newer stuff. Miri's rom is not too barebones (hasn't ripped everything possible away, which could cause instability), the ROM has not crashed once - I like the miri 10.0 premium running on my HD at the moment.
Oh yes, I also had problems with dutty's data connections, for some reason it kept cutting my irc session in a couple of minutes. It was a pity, because the selection of already included apps was nice. And has gotten nicer all the time.
Well, others can tell about the other ROMs, I don't have *that* much interest in just toying around with all possible ROMs.
The decision to try miri's rom as my first wm6.5 was based solely on the fact that his thread on the forum had at most postings :-D
abe

nizzon said:
Wasnt WM 6.5 supposed to be officially released yesterday on Microsofts TechED?
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Yes, it will probably be some time yet before device manufacturers begin rolling it out with their hardware...

anssibragge said:
I only have experience with duttys 2.x and Miri's roms since 5.x
Dutty has wm6.1, miri wm6.5 as the base, I personally like to have the newest stuff...
Dutty has a lot of stuff packed together which is also quite nice, but.. like I said, I rather go with the newer stuff. Miri's rom is not too barebones (hasn't ripped everything possible away, which could cause instability), the ROM has not crashed once - I like the miri 10.0 premium running on my HD at the moment.
Oh yes, I also had problems with dutty's data connections, for some reason it kept cutting my irc session in a couple of minutes. It was a pity, because the selection of already included apps was nice. And has gotten nicer all the time.
Well, others can tell about the other ROMs, I don't have *that* much interest in just toying around with all possible ROMs.
The decision to try miri's rom as my first wm6.5 was based solely on the fact that his thread on the forum had at most postings :-D
abe
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For me memory management is very important i have tested all the roms and flashed all the new roms till now Miri's rom is the best for me it is fast and hardly you reach to 50% of memory usage with tons of software installed, i know lots of people likes duty's rom but for me when i load it easily it reached above 50% of memory then after using gps and other heavy applications it reaches up to 90% that makes the device unstable, that was my opinion

Fallen Spartan said:
In my experience cooked roms are cooked so they are better, more stable, have less issues & bugs, have faster performances & improved features. Thats the whole point, plus you can always revert back to stock rom anytime you want as all are available to download from the wiki
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Cooked ROM Vs Stock ROM:
Faster: Agree
Improved features: Agree
Better: Depends on the quality of the cooked ROM
More Stable: Not for most of the time
Less Issues and Bugs: Not really the case
But flashing cooked ROM is really fun and addictive. However, I usually end up flashing back to a tweaked stocked ROM for daily use.

Well, I just installed Dutty's 3.3 ROM, and I have to say that so far it is so much better than the stock one. He's fixed a bunch of things that had been giving me the sh1ts about the original one.
Now I'm tempted to see what Miri's 10 is also like...damn, I'm hooked!

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Well, I just installed Dutty's 3.3 ROM, and I have to say that so far it is so much better than the stock one. He's fixed a bunch of things that had been giving me the sh1ts about the original one.
Now I'm tempted to see what Miri's 10 is also like...damn, I'm hooked!
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....and now it begins, the continuous flashing!!!!!

Advice for good roms with Leo Interface

Ok,
All my time with the Touch HD, I always used roms from Dutty, never tried from others. I like them cause there's few bugs on them, are always very stable and specially cause Dutty keeps and update almost every default in-built software that comes with the original roms.
But now, I'm a little disappointed with Dutty's roms, in particularity the roms with Leo interface, ie. manila 2.5, that are pledged with some bugs and in particularly don't even have Videocalls.
Can anyone give me an advise to an alternative to Dutty rom's ?
I would like to know what are the best roms with Leo interface and more importantly, that keep the default built-in programs (but always updated), for other words, are not stripped down (like the ones from Dutty)
Any hint would be great.

try miris ROM. one of them has manilla 2.6 running on windows mobile 6.1 and is supposed to be much faster.

think the thread is going to be closed as it is something personal
i can only say look at my signature what im using

I'm not asking anything personal, I'm asking a good rom with Leo interface and most important, to have all or most of the default in-build apps like the official roms.
Does Miri's rom have all or most of the default in-build apps (updated of course) like the official roms?

youre asking a good leobased rom that is for everyone different there for oure asking an opinion based question and yes miri has that
try to look at the first pages most of them have written down what they have in there rom

basically, there is no right answer, just what people like. this might aswell be a "whats your favourite ROM" thread which does little more than clutter the forum.
back to the topic though, i suggest you try them all (there are only 3 or so). could probably test them all in half an hour.

get miri 7.1

I've tested a couple of the latest Leo roms and the only thing you have to take into consideration is to REMEMBER that they are all in beta.
From my perspective they ALL run like crap for daily use. They are interesting to try out, but they are also more frustrating and slow to use and not worth the sleek new interfaces. Using any 6.1 rom is going to run much better

muhahahhahhahha...great thread here really awesome contribution and totally original question.

Hi onesolo, after been using almost all of Dutty's Rom's, when I moved to 6.5, the R2 was giving me some problems, and then decided to try PDAVIET. For now I'm pleased but still get the same problem as Dutty's with the SMS question, not sure if it's the same problem for everyone, but as you know here (PT) we can send an 160 caract. sms, and with this new 6.5 Rom I can't get out of the UNICODE and the lenght of the sms just passed to 70 caract.
But nevertheless I think it's stable and worth a big try.
Ok, ok, I can see another anoying thing, that is the memory use, if you have two or more programs open it may reach 70%.
With the good old Dutty's, would be hard to get there,
Ciao, até logo.
Jo

Plnety of roms out there with your requests. You just need to search. As stated above everyone has there own opinions on which roms best suit them as well as their own personal favourite chef, so would normally nominate them.
Best advice would be read title of each rom thread, research 1st post of each thread, see how others like this rom and then try it to make your own conclusion
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DIR ROM ? - Do It Right ? /Quality Control ?

What I miss at this forum, is a ROM with a honest, complete list of known bugs/non-working stuff.
Would like to see some quality-control, and know what I install - before I do.
Everybody is cooking ROM's (and that's nice) but there's no way to know how they will work before trying.
-its impossible to read thru >200 posts and figure out which of those are about the current version.
-recent posts are sometimes about earlier versions too...
Please: I hope some of you that des this nice job will focus on information about quality, and keep a "buglist" for each version..

AlCapone said:
What I miss at this forum, is a ROM with a honest, complete list of known bugs/non-working stuff.
Would like to see some quality-control, and know what I install - before I do.
Everybody is cooking ROM's (and that's nice) but there's no way to know how they will work before trying.
-its impossible to read thru >200 posts and figure out which of those are about the current version.
-recent posts are sometimes about earlier versions too...
Please: I hope some of you that des this nice job will focus on information about quality, and keep a "buglist" for each version..
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I agree 100% Buglists are a must. Roms shouldn't be released with alot of bugs unless stated by the op.

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I agree 100% Buglists are a must. Roms shouldn't be released with alot of bugs unless stated by the op.
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I think the point you're missing is that the bugs only become apparent after others flash the ROMs and do some testing.....

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apparent after others flash the ROMs and do some testing.....
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nope - the author/or a helper is in the ultimate position to read the feedback, verify, and make a list in the first article containing these bugs.
i did not say that the cook should know about every bug before releasing.
maintain a list, and verify it against next version.
-the only way to have some quality control...

I agree with the sentiment - for those of us who only flash their phones maybe once a month, it would be nice to know a ROM is ultra stable and all known bugs / oddities have been sorted. (or if not, then a comprehensive list of things that are broken, with any workarounds etc) Reading through thousands of posts takes hours and not everybody has the time or inclination for that.
For instance both WM and Manila (and others) are under very active development, there are always new versions coming out. While it would be unreasonable to expect the beta WM builds (23xxx, 28xxx) to be 100% stable, it would be nice for a cook or two to say "right, this combination of components is stable, I'm going to stick with these for a while" instead of always following the very latest cutting edge "LOOK, SHINY TOYS!" at the risk of stability.
As for stability I am currently on JoshKoss's latest (1.7) and have yet to experience a single error, crash or hang. And Josh's seem to be the fastest ROMs, definitely of the ones I have experienced anyway. There are a few minor inconsistencies but these are in no way critical. If you want stable I would not even consider Manila 2.5 or any of the "start menu at the bottom" ROMs.

Have you tried AthineOS ROMS? Very fast, very stable. The current Leo 2.02 based ROM is the fastest Sense 2.5 ROM I've tried (and I've tried them all) and stable enough for hassle-free day to day use.

Guyz As far as my experience goes no cook likes to hide the bug list, rather they work to bring more in the light. Users like us are expected to give our submissions. Thats how it works. Things like quality control is not what we have seen here since its not GM factory but a place to share & experiment & success & failure is part of that place.

AlCapone said:
nope - the author/or a helper is in the ultimate position to read the feedback, verify, and make a list in the first article containing these bugs.
i did not say that the cook should know about every bug before releasing.
maintain a list, and verify it against next version.
-the only way to have some quality control...
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I completely disagree. At the rate new builds are released, and with so many new tweaks and items going into ROMs, I think it would take forever for the chef and a select few beta testers to try and figure out all or most bugs in a ROM. I use Arrups ROMs, and he discloses everything that he can, but ultimately its not the chefs responsibility to create a "perfect" rom for Al Capone is it? Everyone uses different applications which can affect the stability of a ROM completely-for example Opera beta 10. I think its much more efficient to have them release the ROMs and let lots of people try and break them, then come back and fix it. And when bugs arise the are put on a "bug list" to be fixed.
We would never see new ROM releases for months if we waited for chefs to perfect stuff. So the people who just flash and leach ROMs cant help out a little?
Since you are so anxious about having a perfect ROM, why dont you have a go at it? Or is *****ing easier?

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As for stability I am currently on JoshKoss's latest (1.7) and have yet to experience a single error, crash or hang. And Josh's seem to be the fastest ROMs, definitely of the ones I have experienced anyway. There are a few minor inconsistencies but these are in no way critical. If you want stable I would not even consider Manila 2.5 or any of the "start menu at the bottom" ROMs.
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X2, This is a very stable ROM. I have been running it close to 2 weeks with no real issues & haven't had to soft reset because of a glitch or hang up.

I have to chime in here and agree with the sentiment of this thread. The application of it is much more difficult that it seems. I have been down this road before, trying to get the chefs to post a comprehensive bug list for their ROMs and while they are willing to do it, it is VERY difficult to tell what is a real bug and what is OE (operator error), confusion caused by loading some application, etc that really isn't a bug or a real bug.
For example, I have been running Sergio76's EVO 3 ROM for sometime now, and have absolutely nothing bad to say about it. Stable as hell, fast, good memory, good battery etc. But some of the other users of the same ROM find 'bugs' mostly caused by putting different shells on, or trying to icon sets.
So, my point is BRAVO! this needs to be done, but let's have a good discussion of how to categorize what is a bug, what is an incompatibility, etc. Because, if we simply list all these things as bugs then we run the risk of scaring folks off of flashing a potentially GREAT ROM all because one or two guys muck it up by hacking the registry and it gets put on a bug list.
I would also like to see a 'standard' way all the chefs list bugs, etc.
Russ

iceman4357 said:
why dont you have a go at it? Or is *****ing easier?
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bit harsh tbh

MadBeef said:
bit harsh tbh
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I was actually holding back a lot. Unfortunately 90% of people on here dont contribute anything and just expect stuff to happen perfectly. If its so easy, then instead of creating an entire thread to talk about problems, why not make a "perfect" Rom and contribute.

iceman4357 said:
Since you are so anxious about having a perfect ROM, why dont you have a go at it? Or is *****ing easier?
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your own *****ing certainly does not help.
read my lips:
-I do NOT ask for a "perfect" ROM
-I just ask for the cook/helper to browse thru the reply-posts, and add known bugs they can confirm, to the first post - the one that contains the ROM
-So any ROM can have a list of known errors, (the the author confirms)

AlCapone said:
your own *****ing certainly does not help.
read my lips:
-I do NOT ask for a "perfect" ROM
-I just ask for the cook/helper to browse thru the reply-posts, and add known bugs they can confirm, to the first post - the one that contains the ROM
-So any ROM can have a list of known errors, (the the author confirms)
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So the chef should worry about reading the 200 posts that you were worried about reading instead of working on ROMs? I am sure that chef mailboxes are full of people reporting bugs on a daily basis.
There are people other than the chefs that have a good deal of experience that help within the thread posts, that free up the chef to continue experimenting and cooking ROMs.
A lot of "common" bugs are specific to builds, such as the landscape issues vs touchflow(sense), or GPS lag which take a lot of time and programming to figure out. These are commonly known across ROMs and builds.
A lot of smaller bugs are from individual customization errors like with S2U2, Opera Beta, lack of knowledge, or custom tweaking.
Chefs, in my opinion, are here to provide a decent platform ROM for us to costimize individually; not to help each individual person with each custom problem they have.

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Montea said:
X2, This is a very stable ROM. I have been running it close to 2 weeks with no real issues & haven't had to soft reset because of a glitch or hang up.
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can u link me up with the x2 rom u speak about?thanks

oyebee said:
can u link me up with the x2 rom u speak about?thanks
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572938
We were on about JoshKoss's ROMs.
I've said this for years, something like bugzilla would be good. Not that I have ever used it but something with a bit of structure you know? Flag bugs by component (ie. Manila footprints tab, lock screen, or whatever) then by ROM so the system will know already if it is ROM specific or not. But it still relies on people adding good data, as the saying goes, "Garbage In Garbage Out". An automated config dump tool would be a good step towards that. (an end-to-end "report bug" app would be awesome) After all I don't know what point release of Manila I'm running (1921? 1922??) because I don't really care unless it breaks, or a newer version has more shiny.
Anyway I said this a while ago and we are still "*****ing" about ROMs at a fairly disorganised level, and yet the cooks continue to work their magic, so it can't be all that bad
From another guy who comes on here with not very much to offer yet continues to leech a new ROM once a month or so

Stop the Madness...
Oh Geez....
Yes, I am one of the lurkers here at XDA, having been flashing my phones for years and not really contributing much to the community.
I have made a New Year's resolution to change that, so I am posting more now.
But look at some of the most popular ROMS....
Within hours of a Chef releasing a new version, there are hundreds of posts about it.
From what I gather, 95% if not more of these guys/gals cook up these ROMs in their spare time. They do it because they like to do it. I don't think anyone here is getting rich cooking up a ROM for my TP2. They all have lives and when there can be 40+ pages of posts within a couple days after they release a new version, I don't expect them to read every single one. Especially where a vast majority are people asking how to flash the ROM, how to change the theme or other posts that a simple search would provide the answer.
Most Chefs do post what was fixed, what was improved and a lot of them post issues in their ROMS.
I have spent hours reading page after page trying to figure out an answer to a issue I have had...knowing I was probably not the only one having it.
Do some Chef's not post as much info as I would like? Yes.
Am I going to berate those Chefs for not doing so? No.
Some of the responsibility has to be on the users. Period.
For example, I was and am a fan of the Energy ROMs. But I SMS an insane amount and the newest Leo interface with the HTC messaging client sucked, period. Not to say NRGZ28's ROMs sucked, quite the contrary, they are great. But did those ROMs fill every need that I specifically had? No.
So, I did some research, and I found in a thread where Agent_47 suggested his ROM because he didn't even cook in the HTC SMS messaging client. So, I looked at his thread, flashed the ROM, and realized that I have had no issues with it and am very happy. Stable, works and I don't have to wait 7 minutes sometimes to send a text to someone!
We are all very lucky to have XDA. We are all very lucky to have the Chefs that spend their own time, and a lot of it, to cook up these excellent ROMs for us to flash.
Instead of complaining about the lack of 'bug lists'...perhaps you could create a tool or set something up to help the Chefs better manage those said lists?
That is the spirit that has and continues to make XDA great, if there is something you want, something that you see lacking, then create a tool to fill that void.
If you don't want to do that, then I suggest getting an iPhone, where you are locked into your OS and a slave to Apple and their constant updates and static interface. Cool device, granted, but I prefer the freedom of flashing, the excitement of trying new interfaces, experimenting with new features and lastly, the great folks here at XDA.
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Spankmeister said:
I suggest getting an iPhone
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Let's not get silly

WM6.1/WM6.5 ROMs *NOOB* review using TyTN II

Disclaimer: This is my personal opinion and it's based on my experience for a few hours with each ROM, not into scientific facts or long-term testing. Since I'm quite new to these stuff, I may be wrong to several things.
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Hello everyone,
Last week I joined this community in order to upgrade my recently acquired TyTN II phone. I first tried Ahmedfikry's ROM that worked great for 6 days, but after some slowness/hanging issues (which I'm still unsure if it was ROM's fault), made me to try others as well. I've spent whole weekend, trying several cooked ROMs (especially recent ones), in order to find the most appropriate for me & my mobile device and I decided to share my test experience with you.
Hardware used
- HTC TyTN II
Software used
- Daveshaw HardSPL 3.34
- Kais Radio 1.70.19.09
Notes
- Further than removing mini-SD/SIM, I was installing stock ROM & performing hard reset (possibly unnecessary), before each ROM installation in order to avoid keeping configuration from previous ROM.
WM6.1 vs WM6.5
WM6.1 ROMs seem extremely fast & compatible but unfortunately I'm getting addicted to WM6.5 which has several improvements. If you need really stable and fast phone, stick with WM6.1. Otherwise, if you can sacrifice a bit of stability & performance.. for cool features, go for WM6.5. Additionally, it looks like some GPS navigation applications do not really like WM6.5 yet, so you may want to take that as consideration as well. Keep in mind that all ROMs may have their issues so I consider important author's willing to help people in forum.
Tested WM6.1 ROMs
- Shifu V20 M2D 2.0 [21055] [Full]: Fast interface, good applications
- Stylez Black v.5 D3D 101MB Manila 2.6 Theme [21051] [Full]: Fast interface, frequently updated, good applications, good & fast support from Stylez
Tested WM6.5 ROMs
- Ahmedfikry Tilt UC rom [23541] [Light]: Fastest WM6.5 ROM I've seen, frequently updated, good support by Ahmedfikry. I only faced some slowness issues at the 7th day but worths another chance (especially since a new build is out)
- Ahmedfikry Tilt UC rom [23544] [Light]: Just got released, I'm going to try it soon
- hoatienii's upload - PDAVIET.NET 3.34.721.4 - KAISER CE OS 5.2.21893 [21893]: Few applications (almost stock), but it's kinda laggy at my device
- Staxxtanium V03 [21891]: Nice skin & software, good applications, but it's VERY laggy at my device
- Staxxtanium V03 [23529]: Nice skin & software, good applications, but it's kinda laggy at my device
- Shifu V4.2 - RAM 101 - D3D - M2D [21854] [Full]: Fast interface, good & organized applications. M2D's landscape issue annoys me a bit.
Tested ROMs but not reviewed
- KaiserTouch' 21892, KaiserTouch's 23541 and esperOS 28205 builds installed fine, functioned fine but all of them had white screen instead of home screen. It might be something wrong on my side, as I didn't see others reporting it, so I believe it would unfair to review them yet. If I find the cause, I'll check them again later.
Finally, I'm between Shifu V4.2 & Ahmedfikry's light rom. I will probably try Ahmedfikry's once again, especially since he released a new build today and if problems re-appear, I'll go for Shifu. Android is also something I want to try in future (maybe next weekend). If you have any cooked *fast* and *good* WM6.5 WWE ROMs to suggest, please do!
Special thanks to all Chefs that have spent their valuable time to share their work into this community. If you have any comments, suggestions or even disagree with my opinion.. feel free to post. I didn't make this thread to judge cooked ROMs but mostly to share my opinion, so I'd appreciate if you also do the same.
PS: I like this community and I wonder if I'll start cooking some day as well, since I have some developing skills.

First of all, I will like to thank you for sharing your opinion It's quite interesting to know your personal observations regarding mostly of the roms.
My opinion to you, is that you probably didn't experience the fullness of some of the tested roms.
For example, from your info above you only tested a combination of Hard and radio...having this, probably it affected the perfomance of some roms and your opinion about them. The chefs try these roms for a lot of time and they test radio and hard combinations that most suit their roms.
Maybe you should need more time testing roms and update your thread constantly over the time, if you want to keep it interesting.
Additionally and my final comment, roms are made for different tastes and suits different needs for many people, that's why there are many out there. What I'm trying to say to you, is that what is best for you and it will not be the best for me. You can see in the specific threads of these many roms that many people says the rom is the best for them and for others isn't. Also you will experience it here.
Thanks and good luck

Hence the reason he put this in the post.
Disclaimer: This is my personal opinion and it's based on my experience for a few hours with each ROM, not into scientific facts or long-term testing. Since I'm quite new to these stuff, I may be wrong to several things.
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That was pretty cool of you to write this.

I'll definately be following this thread, as I am new to the world of ROM's as well. I've not tried a lot of radios with each ROM, and I've only tried out 3, though none of the ones the OP has tried. Maybe I will give them a shot as well. For me my priorities are a fast phone that I can use for system administration and looks good as well. I am currently running T.I.R. v 10k Angel ROM currently. It has a lot of the features I like, and is fairly responsive, but some of the customisations are not to my taste, and I've had to disable a couple things because of speed constraints.
I look forward to more reports. It does seem no matter what I choose, even the stock HTC ROM, my wifi is a bit buggy, has trouble connecting even when a few feet from the AP, with unobstructed line of sight. Oh well, might fix it when I replace the digitizer in a couple weeks. Phone was well used before I got my hands on it.
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I don't know how much of this is true, but a work colleague who has had years of experience with WiMo phones offered this tidbit:
A lot if the improvements in Windows Mobile 6.5 are HTC's customisations on 6.1. Microsoft and HTC built Windows Mobile 6.5 off the back of HTC's work on UI customisation and other changes. The keyboard in 6.5 is excellent, as is the haptic feedback.
I don't know what a naked 6.5 ROM looks like, as I haven't found one to try yet. All 6.5 ROM's will be slower compared to a 6.1 just because of the system requirements and all the extra fancy stuff 6.5 does.

Thank you all for reading this thread and special thanks to the people that replied. So far, I haven't tried any other ROMs as Ahmedfikry's has kept me very satisfied.
So the latest status based on my experience:
- Ahmedfikry Tilt UC rom [23544] [Light]: My mobile phone has been fully functional for the whole week, without even the need to reboot it. I had no problems while exchanging e-mails, using office applications, connecting via mobile internet/WiFi and playing games. I am going to try 23545 that I heard it's quite faster.
I'd love to hear opinions from other people for other ROMs as well. Come on guys, share your opinion. It's a general opinion thread after all. I'd prefer to post positive or negative xopinion about ROMs into a general thread than going to an author's thread and saying "your ROM is slow, this one is fast".