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What is the deal with the weather plugin?
each time i click on it is says "attempting to download data" i have the weather options setting "download weather data automatically" checked but it does not appear to be updating automatically. Does anyone know of a reg setting that you can use to change the frequency of this download?
bradwcamp said:
What is the deal with the weather plugin?
each time i click on it is says "attempting to download data" i have the weather options setting "download weather data automatically" checked but it does not appear to be updating automatically. Does anyone know of a reg setting that you can use to change the frequency of this download?
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Sorry to hijack this thread but......
Where did you find the download weather data automatically setting? I went thru the whole machine and still couldn't find it! And obviously, it doesn't auto update........
Many thanks.
mlai said:
Sorry to hijack this thread but......
Where did you find the download weather data automatically setting? I went thru the whole machine and still couldn't find it! And obviously, it doesn't auto update........
Many thanks.
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When you click on the city name to select another city, there will be an settings option under the rigth softkey when you have the list of cities in front of you
Moaske said:
When you click on the city name to select another city, there will be an settings option under the rigth softkey when you have the list of cities in front of you
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Thanks! Actually found it right after I posted....
Yep...
bradwcamp said:
What is the deal with the weather plugin? each time i click on it is says "attempting to download data" i have the weather options setting "download weather data automatically" checked but it does not appear to be updating automatically. Does anyone know of a reg setting that you can use to change the frequency of this download?
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That's what the "download weather data automatically" setting will do...it will attempt to get an internet connection and update the weather when (and IF) you click on the Weather Plugin. The thing is, it will want to do this every hour from the previous weather update.
TEC
And what about disconnect? Is it possible to auto-disconnect after the weather foreground is downloaded?
It's very annoying if you don't have a data plan or if you want to save battery to have to do a manual disconnect.
I want that too...
Yea...I've been looking for a way to AUTO DISCONNECT as well.
Anyone have any ideas??
AH…
I guess I was looking for more finite control over this. Ideally I don’t want to see “attempting to download data” when I click the plug-in. I would rather it just download automatically in the background instead of the plug-in having to check the web at the moment I hit the icon.
Maybe I need to hack the reg to leave GPRS always on?
Hi
By design the data connection remains connected for most Windows Mobile 6 devices, it doesn't mean data is being passed or power consumption is increased.
An article here explains about data connections remaining "On".
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2006/07/14/666203.aspx
Regards
Phil
PhilipL said:
Hi
By design the data connection remains connected for most Windows Mobile 6 devices, it doesn't mean data is being passed or power consumption is increased.
An article here explains about data connections remaining "On".
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2006/07/14/666203.aspx
Regards
Phil
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Interesting
Also, Mobile Operators requested it. It was more expensive for them to be constantly creating and tearing down connections than to just do it once. Finally, staying connected enabled us to develop a fast "push email" client that relied on the device holding an IP address.
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What about my battery life?
Just having a data connection shouldn't affect your battery life. Most of the time, the device isn't doing anything with that connection. It just sits there idle. If you're sending a lot of data over the connection, though, that will definitely impact your battery life. Unfortunately, the arrows don't really tell you whether you're sending data or not (though I've seen devices that animate the arrows while data is being transferred).
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And a interesting quote from a user
In GSM, when you are constantly attached to GPRS, your battery does not spend more energy because there is absolutely no communication between the network and device if there is no data transfer (however there is still periodical normal GSM communication). Only difference is if you are in motion and changing cells in time. Network keeps track of your GPRS connection via "routing area" which consists of one or group of cells. When you switch to cell that belongs to adjacent routing area, there is a, very short, "routing area update" exchange of information between phone and network, regarding GPRS only. But that is very small power consumption.
The same thing is with UMTS. The whole goal of any network is to bring communication traffic to minimum. But, with UMTS, channel coding and transmitting technique is much more complex than with GSM. You are attached to multiple cells at the same time and there is very, very, very strict phone transmit power control. That means that phone must do a lot more signal measurements from group of cells (much more frequent than GSM). It could possibly happen, if you reserved more channels for packet data transfer, that a lot of signalling happens. However, there is a inactivity timeout here which puts you in standby mode as in GSM and then you do not spend battery for packet data at all. But this is all complicated, it depend of many factors: signal strength, network settings, number of users in your location area, etc. .. If the network signal is weak, than any phone in any type of network will eat up your battery.
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I'm going to try this theory out for a couple of days
if you were to read the manual that came with the phone it states that this is exactly how the weather tab works. If auto update is enabled it will automatically update the forecast every time you touch the weather tab.
Honestly it seems a little silly to me. I have auto update turned off and just tape the last updated time at the top to manually update it.
bradwcamp said:
AH…
I guess I was looking for more finite control over this. Ideally I don’t want to see “attempting to download data” when I click the plug-in. I would rather it just download automatically in the background instead of the plug-in having to check the web at the moment I hit the icon.
Maybe I need to hack the reg to leave GPRS always on?
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Back to your point. I am looking for the same thing you are. my data connection is always on because i am using push email but i still see the attempting to download after a certain period of time.
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Back to your point. I am looking for the same thing you are. my data connection is always on because i am using push email but i still see the attempting to download after a certain period of time.
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We are on the same page flexte, but it would appear that as of yet no one has figured out just exactly how to tweak the plugin to do what we want. As Jason Lee mentioned it is working like the Manual says it should. Hopefully this will eventually get tweaked!
has anyone figured how to get rid of the "attempting to downlad data" message yet?
I was away for a week and upon returning my Tilt is exhibiting some strange behavior that's different from before.
Basically, data connections never drop. So once the first ActiveSync, use of Pocket IE, etc, occurs, the connection stays on forever. For example I just checked my phone and the connection has been active for over 16 hours (the phone sat hibernated for most of that time).
I could have sworn that previously, the connection would drop after some period of inactivity. The little H with the signal strength on the title bar would change back to the triangle antenna. But no more. I tried with HSDPA off too and saw the same problem (except I got a little 3G instead of a little H above the signal bars).
I even hard-reset my Tilt and this did not fix it.
What can explain why my data connections used to drop on their own before but suddenly stopped doing so? Basically, my phone used to behave as if the "disconnect after" KaiserTweak was enabled (even though I never enabled it) but it's now behaving as if "always on" is enabled (even though it is not enabled).
So you know about Kaiser Tweak - have you loaded Kaiser Tweak and set the setting? and it still behaves this way?
I cannot explain it - but if Kaiser Tweak fixes it do you still need an explanation?
Bill
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So you know about Kaiser Tweak - have you loaded Kaiser Tweak and set the setting? and it still behaves this way?
I cannot explain it - but if Kaiser Tweak fixes it do you still need an explanation?
Bill
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I agree with Bill... If You have a solution that will work even though you haven't had to use it before, why not fix the problem a new way instead of Dwelling on the problem.
Maybe Check this. In Phone Goto Menu -> Data Tab. Check your Check Box on Disable data connections when device enters Sleep Mode. Soft Reset and see if that will fix it for you.
Thanks for the suggestions guys.
I didn't want to fix this with the KaiserTweak because it comes with a disclaimer that (a) it might not work with all programs and (b) is might prevent simultaneous voice and data calls. The latter seems more problematic; maybe this is not an issue with 3G/HDSPA (and only with the older data technologies)?
I can't find a data tab anywhere. I have a Tilt with stock ROMs... is the menu and data tab available somewhere? I'd like to try that suggestion.
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Thanks for the suggestions guys.
I didn't want to fix this with the KaiserTweak because it comes with a disclaimer that (a) it might not work with all programs and (b) is might prevent simultaneous voice and data calls. The latter seems more problematic; maybe this is not an issue with 3G/HDSPA (and only with the older data technologies)?
I can't find a data tab anywhere. I have a Tilt with stock ROMs... is the menu and data tab available somewhere? I'd like to try that suggestion.
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If you don't have that tab the option has been "hidden" by the ROM Makers. So Though there is a way to get to it, It is One I don't know.
I would suggest then getting Schaps Advanced Config, Is what I use to put my Data Connections to off after three minutes. I haven't had any problems with simultaneous lovin' with Voice and Data.
Well I turned on the KaiserTweak for this and it works. Maybe I had it enabled before and didn't realize.
One thing I notice is that I always get the "connecting to" balloon pop-up when a connection is being established, even if I tell it to hide. So there's one annoyance, but it's better than having my battery drain down due to the constant connection.
Interestingly this never drop behavior coincided with the switch-over from the behavior of the 3G icon that goes to H only when a connection is established, to always showing the H icon. Could these 2 behaviors be connected somehow, and due to a change on AT&T's side?
You can turn off the notification by going to settings -> sounds and notifications -> notifications tab ->event = connection established, uncheck "display message on screen".
I was just experimenting and I found that enabling the "disconnect after" KaiserTweak prevents simultaneous voice and data. If a voice call is going, I cannot establish a data connection and if a call comes in the data connection drops. If the KaiserTweak setting is not enabled, I can get simultaneous voice and data.
My phone always shows the H icon.
It seems I have to choose between the stock setting of "connection never drops, and drains battery" and the KaiserTweak setting of "can't get simultaneous voice and data connections". Ouch!
Does BandSwitch use a different way to handle forcing the disconnections, or is going to boil down to the same registry setting that KaiserTweak uses for this?
Hello,
on my Diamond, I have e-mail receiving set to "manually" and both weather downloading options unchecked. However, very often, the phone tries to connect to GPRS without asking me for permission. Few days ago, I was playing with my phone, what caused turning off NoData (I dunno why - I have neither turned the Internet profile to "enable" in its settings nor uninstalled NoData). A few moments later, I was VERY suprised to see that.. phone was connected to the GPRS for over 40 minutes! I thought that it'd make my bill like $50 higher. However, it raised my bill for only ~$0,5. I have no idea neither why did it connect nor what did it wanted to do with GPRS connection. Do you have such problems either? What's the matter? How can I fix this so my phone won't want to connect without my demand? Thanks in advance.
NoData should be enough, but I don't know why it reset to enabled if you didn't do this yourself? That said, all it does is toggle some registry settings so perhaps one of the other 'tweak' apps (have you got any installed?) reset the settings...?
Mathew
Yeah, I think that other tweaking apps could make it - that was my first thought. I have Diamond Tweak and Advanced Config installed and I was playing with them, so they could change the settings. My problem though is not to make Diamond unable to connect GPRS - because NoData does everything I want in that matter. I want to know why Diamond wants to connect, while forecast and e-mails checking are off. It'd be great to know that, because maybe then it'd be possible to be sure that (even without NoData) Diamond wouldn't connect to the Internet when we don't want it to do it.
With gprs it's all about the traffic.. the more you download, the more you pay.. I deleted the settings, so it can't connect, even when it wants to.. Only use wifi anyway..
U can enable NoData, but I think it's still possible to manually turn on the connection. NoData won't work then, unless you re-enable and softreset..
djind - oh man, I know how does GPRS work and what do I pay for..
I'll repeat once again, cause I think not everyone got this right. I want to know, WHY does Diamond want to connect to GPRS if it DOESN'T want to download forecast or e-mails. I'd love to have no situations with Diamond trying to connect - without NoData, without deleting settings. Just NO CONNECTING without my CLEAR DEMAND.
Then, please tell me what can make my Diamond want to connect.
You said u were playing around, so opening a page or checking and immediately unchecking weather download or any program using gprs would trigger the connection.. or mayme by accident pressed something..
It's done like that to increase your phone company's income
How about disabling the gprs auto-attachment option found in diamindtweak (or was it advanced config)
Just delete the setting if nothing work, and use wifi...
I actually have unlimited 3G service, so i don't really care if it stayed connected or not (and battery is not really a issue for me..)
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How about disabling the gprs auto-attachment option found in diamindtweak (or was it advanced config)
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That's not going to help in this instance. Disabling auto-attachment merely stops the phone resgistering itself as a GPRS-enabled device with the network until it actually requires a data connection to be established. Hence, as soon as the OP's 'rogue app' requests a connection it will get one.
Tigrowski, sorry for the confusion - I was specifically answering your question of how to stop the phone connecting without your demand. I am not aware of an app that could identify this rogue app, but perhaps if you find a packet sniffer that'd give you some clues (i.e. from where the traffic is going, ports etc and, if using cleartext ASCII the actual data being sent).
All said and done though, I think you'd be better of just relying on NoData to put the barrier up as even when you've identified the rogue app you might not be able to make it behave. Besides which there'll likely be another one round the corner wanting to connect when it feels like it! (that was one of the reasons behind why NoData was developed, particularly for roaming users given the significant financial impact of out-of-control network-enabled apps)
Mathew
P.S. It's not QuickGPS periodically downloading almanac data is it? (check the setting as this can be controlled, although it should only be doing so weekly anyway)
A silly question by a new user: how is it possible to stop an internet or data connection (no matter if hsdpa, edge, gprs) once started?
Thanks
use 'long key press' in settings, can be set to disconnect a data connection (sdpa, edge, gprs)
Use this program:
http://rapidshare.com/files/173250379/GPRS...onnect.CAB.html
The connection stop after 1 minutes of inactivity
jack1985 said:
Use this program:
http://rapidshare.com/files/173250379/GPRS...onnect.CAB.html
The connection stop after 1 minutes of inactivity
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faulty url!
take this one:
GB-SOFT GPRS-UMTS_Tweak_WM6.1_Diamond
there you can choose the idle-time for disconnect
Anyway the manual stopping mode is to tap the bar that is on the top of the sceen...than tap the G E 3G or U icon and so you can tap disconnect.
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Anyway the manual stopping mode is to tap the bar that is on the top of the sceen...than tap the G E 3G or U icon and so you can tap disconnect.
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Cool, also in stead of holding the end call button, wich locks the phone in my case,
Dubbelclicking the end call button alse ends my edge connection.
In order for your end key to stop the connection, you have to go to Settings>System>Long Press End Key>Select Terminate data connection
Then when you press and hold your end key, it will end the connection
if you prefer to stop internetconnection by shortcut, try VJKeyPress.exe 126
this one toggles internet connection
i've searched and i've searched and i cant find the resolve!
after retrieving hotmail, the connection stays active, meaning bars are lit up. for HOURS after unless i long-press-end key or something like that. even when i am surfing the web, after a page is fully loaded, the bars stay lit. on my old diamond, the bars used to go gray or "dormant" etc. therefore no tweaks i have found help (i.e. most operate with this rule "if the connection is dormant/inactive for xx minutes, turn off data" etc. well my connection remains ACTIVE unless i manually intervene)
what is causing this??? i only have spb mobile shell and spb phone suite installed. stock ROM.
hello? anyone? NO one is having the same issue or can help with this??? at this point i'd even be happy with a rude comment about how i should learn how to search coupled with a few links to threads which contain the answers! :\
I'm not sure I understand your question.
You're saying the connection stays alive after using mail or opera?
By default, WMo does not turn off data connection, so once you've made a data connection, it stays on.
Now, there are lots of programs out there that turns off data connection after a pre-set time. If you have Advanced Config on your Diamond, it's somewhere in there as well (I use SKTools and not Advacned Config so I can't point you exactly where, but it's there)
That said, many have tested battery drain and find that leaving the data connection ON or OFF makes absolutely no difference on the battery drain. It's only when you're transmitting data that drains more battery. Not sure if that's where you're coming from to want to turn off data connection
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I'm not sure I understand your question.
You're saying the connection stays alive after using mail or opera?
By default, WMo does not turn off data connection, so once you've made a data connection, it stays on.
Now, there are lots of programs out there that turns off data connection after a pre-set time. If you have Advanced Config on your Diamond, it's somewhere in there as well (I use SKTools and not Advacned Config so I can't point you exactly where, but it's there)
That said, many have tested battery drain and find that leaving the data connection ON or OFF makes absolutely no difference on the battery drain. It's only when you're transmitting data that drains more battery. Not sure if that's where you're coming from to want to turn off data connection
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number16, my savior! i'll try to explain as best i can: when the data connection is started/being used, those left-right arrows appear above the signal strength, correct? what i call "active" is when those arrows are lit (presumably when data is actually being transferred). what i call "dormant" is when the arrows are still there but are gray/not lit (i.e. connection is still open, but not currently transferring data). well, up until a 2 wks ago, all seemed fine - the arrows would briefly stay lit when downloading a page, connecting to hotmail, etc, but then would go gray once the transfer was complete. now however, the arrows stay lit. sometimes for hours at a time even tho nothing is running, no data (that i know of) is being transferred, etc.
so what i was saying is that, yes, i know i can long-press-end key to shut it down, but that only works if i notice it otherwise it's just draining my battery. (most times it is in my pocket, and since it checks hotmail periodically, the data connection may open and stay on without me noticing). and yes, i know about advanced config setting (and actually, i DO have it set to turn off after a minute) BUT that only applies if "connection is not active for more than a minute". i.e. since my whole problem is that my data connection technically stays active, that advanced config setting doesnt work.
so my question is, what is keeping the connection active? why is it doing this? i am running stock ROM and only have spb mobile shell and spb phone suite loaded. and a few other minor tweaks via advanced config/regedit. i even tried spb wireless monitor to see what was active after a data transfer was complete (as far as i could tell) but it didnt really tell me anything.
does all that make sense?
thanks for any help you can provide...
Alright, I really need some help from the big boys here.
I have had my N1 since release. I have T-Mobile and no data plan. Everything I do is over wifi.
On Friday, I saw the 3g icon on my phone for the first time. It appeared out of nowhere and just flips between 3G and E since T-Mobile just blocks data for non-plan users. This was killing the battery life of the phone.
I called Google and they ran me through *#*#4636#*#* to disable the data connection. This fixed the problem for a while; However after a while the phone will give a message that there is no service provider and will reconnect to T-Mobile (it has never done this before outside of phone boots). When it is back up the 3G/E cycling starts again. Even worse the data connection still lists as disabled and will not re-enable. I have to pop the battery out while it is running to get back in to disable it.
Google thinks its an app but I have removed everything but Touchdown and K9 which I don't think are the problem. I have used Android OS Monitor and I do see connections to 64.15.75.218 and 209.44.107.13 which are hot beds for malware and when I uninstall any app these connections vanish temporarily. But they come back after a few hours.
Anyone seen this before or know a way to track IP connections to a particular app?
I have no solution for tracing 'malicious' software but it is possible to just disable all mobile data usage.
Settings/Wireless and network settings/ Mobile networks > "Data enabled"
If you unselect this there should be no more data transfer while on the mobile network.
I do not have that option. Google Rep said it was only in froyo.
Problem is I did the same thing for 2.1 but it keeps coming back on. Even with wifi the phone connects to these ips so who knows what it is doing.
3G isn't used only for data, you can do voice on 3G.
Could be T-Mobile expanding 3g into your are where you didn't have coverage before.
Call T-Mobile and make sure you're not actually using data.
As for tracking applications, you can use System Panel Pro of the market to monitor how much data applications are using.
I know I am not using data. The T-Mobile account page is pretty detailed and I am unable to do anything online when wifi is off. 3G has also been available for a while here as I know others that use it.
I will check out system panel.
Thanks.
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I do not have that option. Google Rep said it was only in froyo.
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It is indeed only on Froyo, however, Froyo is out now, so install it and you'll instantly benefit.
A few more things:
Were you receiving or sending MMS (picture/video messages) when the 3G icon popped up? This is normal and doesn't usually come out of your data balance.
If you'd like to be triple-sure you're not using data, go into the APN settings. Edit the APN name - e.g. change tmobile.com to nomobile.com. Now it *really* shouldn't be able to access data.
Smarphones would be well to do to have a Zonealarm/little snitch type app for this purpose.
Id imagine ad based apps wouldnt be too happy about it. At the least an app that reports IPs times , and IN/OUT info.
I never use SMS or mms and have not gotten any during this time.
My concern is not related to getting charges but with unwanted use of my phone or data. When the data connection auto enables it will go through my battery in a matter or hours and who knows what the phone may be doing.
I know I can turn this off and make sure data is not used - in fact I have already done this. However when smoke enters room you don't just put a towel under the door and forget about it. I want to find the source of this and stop it because the behavior is not normal.
I agree something like zone alarm would be good. You should be able prevent or track an app activities for situations like this. If I knew what was connecting to these IPs and enabling the data connection I could stop it and report the app or submit a bug request. Right now I am just all alone.
I did try system panel which seems like a nice app but it does not give me good information on network usage by app. OSMonitor is better at connection monitoring but doesn't list by app. Why has no one thought to monitor network threads by app?
Try alogcat maybe? Any time you notice the icon suddenly appearing, save a copy of the logcat and comb through it.
alogcat may work. Figured out OSMonitor had something similar and filtered by app.
Now I just gotta wait I guess. Still not enough info to relate to IP though.
You should know that the data connection setting isn't an enforcement for the entire phone. It only acts as a notice to applications on whether or not to use data in the background.
Developers are supposed to respect those settings, but they are not enforced.
There is a free program called Network Statistics which is no longer in the market. I will backup the apk for you and upload it so you can use it. It shows the amount of data used by each app.
I too had a data hungry app issue and this helped me solve it immediately.
I'm just at work ATM, so I'll do it this evening. (Almost midday now here in Australia )
Cheers,
Ross
@JCopernicus
I am aware of this which is why I want to track this problem down.
@Ross
That sounds great. I appreciate the help. Not sure if tracking data usage is enough since I don't think the app is sending a lot of data. But I am willing to try anything.
I should be getting froyo soon so maybe that will help as well.
This is what I do when I want to ensure I don't use Data. Go I. To wireless connections. Mobile Networks, and then access points. Create a new one. I usually call it No Data. The for the apn, I just make something dumb, like no.data.com, and then save. After I'll select that as my apn.
The issue is not about the use of the data connection. I have done this and can guarantee the phone cannot use any cell data network. The problem is an app is trying to use it anyway even when it is disabled. Even if you ignore that as a concerning activity the constant 3G searching reduces the battery life to a mere hours.
I appreciate the help, but my issue is not with how to disable the data connection. Its about identifying malware on my device, and tracking an app calls to a specific IP.
Again,k 3g doesn't mean data. 3g is also used for voice.
If you only want to use "2g" switch your phone over to gsm only through 4636 or through the menu where it says "use 2g only".
You will never see the 3g icon again.
If you wan't to be 100% sure no app is calling an IP, then do a factory reset. Install apps one by one, monitor them through the various options given in this thread already.
You will not be able to prevent an application from "calling home" unless you modify the app itself. Apps use the data connection provided to them by the OS however they see fit.
Every app you install has a permissions prompt that will tell you it want's internet access.
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Again,k 3g doesn't mean data. 3g is also used for voice.
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The Android "3G", "H", "E" or "G" icon denotes data. It may also appear temporarily when making the connection necessary to transmit MMS. It does not appear when the phone is using voice over 3G without a data connection.
Actually, this may be a T-Mobile issue - they just enabled the ability to do "pay as you go" data on ALL plans without a data plan, so they may be the ones turning on the ability to do data. You'd still need to authorize it in your browser, and I think it costs about $1/1MB so it is totally not worth it.
May be worth looking into because it wouldn't surprise me if their new "service" is screwing things up.
I am aware of 3G voice but the 3G status icon is related to data flow. I have had the phone since launch and posted this because this behavior is not normal. Even Google was perplexed by what it is doing. And as I said it is not constrained by the 4636 settings.
And I disagree that an app can use the network connection as they see fit. Rights are given to perform its intended purpose; anything else is malicious.