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I have had the 8125 for quite some time now and have found no use whasoever for a data plan with this device. So considering the additional cost per month, is the data plan worth it under the 3G connection? I am in the MD/DC area, and expect I'll get fairly decent coverage but I'd be interested in location specific feedback as well.
If you don't need data, you don't need a plan. I use mine for streaming video using SlingBox to program or watch my home DVR or peek out one of my surveilance cams. I also use it occasionally as a network connection for my Laptop using internet sharing. I'm finding pretty good 3G coverage in So. Calif., just went up at my house now as well. I usually keep 3G turned off however when not needed, to increase battery life.
Note that even without a data plan, you can use data services -- cost is $0.01 per KB, whether it's over GPRS, EDGE, or HSDPA. If you don't use data very often, I'd skip it & pay as you go. If you end up using data more, you can always add a data plan later.
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Note that even without a data plan, you can use data services -- cost is $0.01 per KB, whether it's over GPRS, EDGE, or HSDPA. If you don't use data very often, I'd skip it & pay as you go. If you end up using data more, you can always add a data plan later.
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Don't you have to enable something on the backend to allow data? Or in other words, if I get this new phone, will I automatically get a data connection and have to start paying ala carte pricing??
The Kaiser has an autoconnect program that configures the data connection; IIRC, it runs during the extROM installation right after a hard reset. Basically, you tell it what country & carrier you use, and it configures the data connection. If you don't want to use data at all, you can tweak the data connection settings (e.g. change the password and/or username) so it won't connect.
My rebates have come in and I'm ready to drop the data plan on my bill.
I'm trying to prep to keep the majority of the functionality that I have been use to through the Tilt's wireless connection. I hope that I can learn from others that have dropped their data plan.
My first concern revolves around dropping the data plan and making sure that I don't pile up per-kb charges. I know that I can call AT&T and request a stop data, but that also stops my text messages. I've read that KaiserTweak works as well and will probably be the route that I use, unless there are other suggestions.
Furthermore, I need to find a way to make the device look to the wireless connection as the primary connection. For instance, how can I change it so that Outlook and even HTC Home Weather uses wireless connection. Is there a menu or registry setting I can use for that?
For those of you that have gone through this process, I would appreciate in suggestions.
Thanks!
Would also like to know, never got a data plan...
tyeo098 said:
Would also like to know, never got a data plan...
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It's so freaking easy. I don't know why nobody uses this method.
Create an empty Network setting and that's it. No APN, no "modem" settings, nothing. Just create a new one, name it something like NoData, set it as the default network for "The Internet" and "Work", and that's it.
It will never get online except what you feed it through WiFi.
It was great traveling through Japan for few weeks and no data billed, no worries if I needed Modaco NoData or KaiserTweak to setup something shady that might heal itself and nail me with charges.
Lol, its called stop being cheap.
People get stuff and don't want to pay to maintain it. IE, get a car, drive it 4 years, and never want to put new tires on it, but as soon as it doesn't pass inspection, you're ready to snap.
What was the purpose of getting a PDA phone without the data plan...?? Shoulda got a regular phone if that was the case, or perhaps a palm pilot.
Why pay your provider $40+ if you are not using it? I myself have an unlimited data plan, but I rarely use it. I have WiFi at work and at home and I am on WiFi network most of the time. It is critical for me to access my email at all times and I need to pay for the data plan. But for most people, it is not that important and they can still get access 80% of the time. Don't judge people because they don't live by your rules.
This question has probably been answered a hundred million times but I just wanted to double check before trying this out. Dont want to end up with a huge bill. I have the PDA Personal – Unlimited ($30) data plan. I keep seeing 2 options throughtout the pda. AT&T ISP GPRS (isp.cingular) and MEdia Net (wap.cingular). Does my plan include both or should I just stick with MEdia Net for internet.
Thanks.
It's my understanding that the wap.cingular is for interwebs on the tilt and isp.cingular is for use with tethering and possibly internet sharing.
If you only have the PDA Personal plan, then I'm pretty sure your AT&T ISP connection won't even function. I had the same question when I first signed up and while I could get signal and connection with ISP selected, I couldn't actually get any data to come across. From everything I've read, Yusuke is right.....ISP is for tethering and you're best off sticking with Media Net........it's been working great for me.
I'm on a pda personal as well and as Valtamr said, my ISP won't even connect. I tether on media net. Been doing it for a while just make sure proxy is disabled adn haven't been charged yet. Last month i hit something around 4.5 gigs of traffic no charges!
fone_fanatic, what is the reason to disable proxy? Does Internet Sharing not work if proxy is enabled?
And I am curious about tethering. I want to try it once. Would AT&T be able to detect tethering if I used "Internet Sharing" through USB set to MEdiaNet.
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MEdia NET VS PDA Personal
Do you know if one could get away with purchasing the MEdia NET versus the doubly priced PDA Personal Plan on the HTC TyTN II? Looking at them, it looks like AT&T is just charging double for the same service, Unlimited MEdia NET access...
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Jeremie
jlariviere said:
Do you know if one could get away with purchasing the MEdia NET versus the doubly priced PDA Personal Plan on the HTC TyTN II? Looking at them, it looks like AT&T is just charging double for the same service, Unlimited MEdia NET access...
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Jeremie
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I agree. All you need to do is switch your sim to a non-PDA phone call att and tell them you purchased the wrong plan because you no longer like using a pda phone. ask them for $15 unlimited medianet.
An experienced YES
I have been using Medianet on my tilt for 2 months with -0- problems. the at&t rep even suggested using it instead when i was asking about plan options for my tilt.
jlariviere said:
Do you know if one could get away with purchasing the MEdia NET versus the doubly priced PDA Personal Plan on the HTC TyTN II? Looking at them, it looks like AT&T is just charging double for the same service, Unlimited MEdia NET access...
Thanks,
Jeremie
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MrEous said:
I have been using Medianet on my tilt for 2 months with -0- problems. the at&t rep even suggested using it instead when i was asking about plan options for my tilt.
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redbandana said:
I agree. All you need to do is switch your sim to a non-PDA phone call att and tell them you purchased the wrong plan because you no longer like using a pda phone. ask them for $15 unlimited medianet.
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Jeremie
If you use the media net with internet sharing just to browse the internet and check email they will not know it. but if you start to dl lots of stuff and large files and p2p you will get charge for excessive data usage and i think they can ban you don't really know. i have been using the internet sharing in my laptop on my media net plan for almost a year now with no prob.
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I agree. All you need to do is switch your sim to a non-PDA phone call att and tell them you purchased the wrong plan because you no longer like using a pda phone. ask them for $15 unlimited medianet.
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i taught you well
$15 media net
OK guys i called ATT and told them i put my sim in another old phone and gave my tilt to my wife. They asked for my IMEI number and the number on the SIM....crap. I dont have a old phone laying around except one from a different network and its prepaid. I dont think it will work will it?? If any of you have a old phone laying around that you know you wont use anymore PM me the IMEI and make model of the phone please, if it works ill send you a little donation..
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OK guys i called ATT and told them i put my sim in another old phone and gave my tilt to my wife. They asked for my IMEI number and the number on the SIM....crap. I dont have a old phone laying around except one from a different network and its prepaid. I dont think it will work will it?? If any of you have a old phone laying around that you know you wont use anymore PM me the IMEI and make model of the phone please, if it works ill send you a little donation..
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OMFG are you serious
Just hang up and call again till you get someone else that wont ask questions, I went threw a long process of them putting my blackberry plan on when I had one cause they were wondering why I was putting the BB Unlim. on a RAZR lol. just go online and change it, i think that works.
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The Data Buffet
I've used this analogy at the at$t forums before when it comes to data plans, and why at$t would price them the way they do. The real bottom line is, they figured out a way to charge more money, but let me explain the buffet.
Purchasing data plans from at&t is like paying to eat at a buffet. In this case there is the child price, teenager price, and adult price. We could expand on this because of all the variations at&t has with data plans, but let’s stick with three to keep the illustration simple.
The child price (Media Net plan @ $15) is for all the non PDA type phones. at&t assume these types of phone will not consume that much data in a month. Much like a child would not eat that much at the buffet.
The teenager price (PDA plan @ $30) is for all the PDA phones, like a Tilt and BB. at&t assumes one would consume a moderate amount of data in a month’s time.
The adult price (Data Connect plan @ $60) is for laptop cards and tethering your phone to a laptop. at&t assumes if your using a laptop in any way it will consume a huge amount of data.
There are two APN (wap.cingular & isp.cingular). Consider them two different lines to get in when going to the buffet. isp.cingular is an express line reserved for the Data Connect plan. If you are on the Media Net or PDA plan, isp.cingular will not be provisioned for your account.
Then there is the proxy connection. Consider this a different room to go through before getting in line at the buffet. In this room would be a different buffet table with some extra stuff. And that stuff would be the Media Net home page. Whooopy!!
Just like a buffet, some will try and cheat the system. Much like lying about your childs age to get the child price. In this case, giving at&t a wrong IMEI number. Once you’re in, it's all you can eat regardless of the price you paid. Just be aware, you eat too much paying the child price, someone will take notice.
Good analogy; however, my issue is that they claim, for $15 to provide "Unlimited".
It really isn't Unlimited if they charge for different amounts.
Jeremie
Indeed. And I HATE those stupid marketing-driven "Unlimited*" plans that just mean nothing. Unlimited is unlimited. If you want to limit to 5GB, you say it clearly and state it's 5Gb. Grr.
At least it's not that way here. But if I remember well they legally can't do such a stupid thing, which is just right.
* within reasonable considerations
I recently switch to att. I am using the $15 media net w/ the tilt now. I heard ppl saying that the media net is pretty fast(thatz the main reason why I switch to att). but after I switch to att and experience the media net. I found that the speed is that as fast as what I expected. I personally think it's not that fast, it's just a bit faster than the T-zone from Tmobile. I don't know if I have the wrong setting or what. it takes about 10 sec or more to load the google.com and about 35 sec (or more) to load the yahoo.com. is this speed normal? how fast are you guys' media net on ur tilt? just wondering. Please share your experience. thank you
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Then there is the proxy connection. Consider this a different room to go through before getting in line at the buffet. In this room would be a different buffet table with some extra stuff. And that stuff would be the Media Net home page. Whooopy!!
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Not completely right here. Since you are being filtered thru the proxy, many applications and protocols will not work properly w/ proxy enable (e.g. HTC home Weather update)
I am still using an HTC Tilt2 with WMWifi, which allows me to put the phone into hot spot mode and access the internet using my unlimited data plan, which is NOT tethered, for $30 a month. This is the data plan intended for email, etc. The folks at the ATT store tell me I am grandfathered as long as I keep my account. WM7 looks like a loser, and my HTC is getting buggy. So would like to switch to the Captivate. On line reviews indicate that the wifi function works great, but I read (and hear from the sales folks at ATT) that that has been removed on the Captivate; just too much value I guess. Anyway, I just need to know if there is a path to having this function on a Captivate. Will root it if I have to, but prefer an app-only solution if possible.
If you flash Cognition you'll have usb and wifi tethering.
Sent from my Captivate
This Sprint-flavored G-Tab is set up on EF17, and runs brilliantly. WiFi is almost everywhere and works properly.
I use the Tab for browsing, bookreading, business files, amusement, finance, education, videos, etc., and for communication I carry an Android phone (not Sprint) with a nearly identical home screen. In my home office is a conventional desktop.
QUESTIONS:
Are there any reasons I should open a Sprint account for the G Tab? What would it cost?
I wouldn't bother with setting up an account with Sprint if you have wifi everywhere you go. Worse case, you have an android phone, you can more than likely setup a wireless tether app on your phone and get internet on the tab via your phone (if you need/want to.) If memory serves, it's actually kinda expensive to setup the Tab with a 3g account with Sprint, so it's kept me from doing it (and I'm a long time Sprint customer anyway)
sprint service for the tab?
If the tab had native phone service I would add it to my family data/calling plan for 20 extra dollars per month. But sprint does not allow this, AND the tab does not have sprint phone calling support. So I have to say buying a tab data plan is not worth it.
I purchased a nearly new tab on craigslist with a bad msn for under $200, with the intent of never using Sprints data service and tethering it to my epic. Which is awesome when the epic is in 4g mode. However, this is kind of a pain to set up. Rooting is needed on both devices, and handfull of other apk's tweaks and file swaps to get it working on both devices. .
Tab enhancements
SPB Shell
Groove IP for voip
Titanium Backup
WPA supplicant
Home Switcher
No Lock
Phone info
Root explorer
Tegrak overclock
Netflix
My Sprint Tab has an ok ESN, but I think the advice here is good. I'm using PagePlus Cellular's $30/month plan, which is 1200 minutes but only 100MB of data. It's enough for email and light browsing, but not serious computing when tethered.
Decision made, money saved.
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