So......now that the IPhone stepped it's game up, is the tilt still a better device? I am happy with my tilt, but I must admit that the IPhone is now stepping up. Are Windows mobile phones still better than the IPhone? When the tilt 1st came out it was way better, but now the IPhone has GPS, Cut/Paste, 3G and all that + a great web surfing/media experience. Speak on it!
I was wondering the same question, particulary because of (my) v1615 lags (I read it's caused by bad drivers, but maybe I am wrong) and much better iphone screen - probably excellent for ebooks... Anyone?
The way I see it, iPhones set the standards for usability on PDA's. Due to their popularity a lot of developers write 'apps' for them, thus increasing it's popularity even more so.
However, Iphone is more of a 'toy-pda' It has non essential things and lacks some good qualitys WM have (Sync, Copy&pasta, Removable storage, etc).
Specs wise, the iPhone beats the Kaiser, I will admit I have had a bit of lag on my Kaiser untill I flashed a new rom. However, people shouldn't have to do that.
iPhones are quick and usable straight out of the box, WM needs a bit of 'getting used to'. Though that being said, WM has the potential to me modified for people like... us. We can cutomise our devices, change the operating system, they way it works ,etc. WM based devices are more of a Pocket Pc, as to the iPhone being a PDA.
In my opinion their both good in their own respects. However, I'd like to see how the new HTC Touch Pro 2 (aka Rhodium) competes with it. Especially with the launch of WM 6.5 / WM7. Which focus' on making WM more usable. The launch of WM's 'Appstars' (I Think) is a web service like the 'app store' However, M$ charge quite high fees for developers to host their applications. I don't know if it will take off or not.
To long didn't read: Their both good in their own respects.
As for useability I would say both phones are equal. Many applications for each, from gps to wifi, bluetooth etc. But the biggest downfall (and the reason I wont get an iphone yet) is the fact that you cant tether. There is no internet sharing option without jailbreaking your phone which probably voids your warranty. I travel alot so I use a program on my tilt called Walking Wifi Hotspot which shares my phones internet over the wireless. The program is priceless to me.
Just my 2 cents.
Jim
Time to close this thread. lol
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Time to close this thread. lol
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Aside from the fact , are you really comparing a brand new improved phone to a phone that is going on 2 years old ?
" Now that Dell has had a chance to improve their personal computers, does your MS-DOS machine still compare favorably to the new Intel Core i7 PC "
How stupid is it to compare a phone from 2007 to a phone from 2009
Thread is way past useless.
If you notice, I was referring to the Tilt or any other WMobile phone. the reason the focus is on the Tilt for me is because I own one.
On another note...if the thread is inappropriate, please delete and forgive me.
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Aside from the fact , are you really comparing a brand new improved phone to a phone that is going on 2 years old ?
" Now that Dell has had a chance to improve their personal computers, does your MS-DOS machine still compare favorably to the new Intel Core i7 PC "
How stupid is it to compare a phone from 2007 to a phone from 2009
Thread is way past useless.
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Is that a Burn?
The logic to what Denco said still applies. This is a place to discuss the Tilt/kaiser/whateverthehellyoucallitinyourland, we aren't here to debate other phones, be it a year and a half old windows phone or a new one.
This forum is for the Tilt/kaiser/whateverthehellyoucallitinyourland..
If you want to delete it, be my guest. But I joined this discussion because I respect opinions of guys on xda and where would be better place to ask, whether I should change my kaiser for iphone? If there is some forum dedicated to this, I will be glad if you point me to it...
Tilt / WM6 are the way to go if you need a business phone.
The iPhone (IMHO) is more user friendly and more fun. Also generally easier to work with.
Why Tilt/WM6 for business?
Applications: You don't like the mapping program in WM6? Just install a new one, or 7 new ones. Also applies to installing a new browser or mail program.
Multi-tasking: "Only one iPhone application can run at a time, and third-party applications never run in the background. This means that when users switch to another application, answer the phone, or check their email, the application they were using quits." - iPhone Human Interface Guidelines. This is an issue that iPhone will need to address some day. After using the iPhone this was my biggest complaint; albeit the lack of multi-tasking may make the phone appear to run smoother.
HSDPA & GPS - not currently implemented in the iPhone, although probably available soon with the next version.
Keyboard: Keyboard on the Tilt is pretty handy. iPhone keyboard interface is just ok.
I'd find a friend that's got an iPhone and ask to borrow it for a day, replicating the things you do on your Tilt.
KEYBOARD! That is the one thing that I absolutely feel like I need. I do alot of typing on my tilt and think the keyboard is critical. The "tilt" part of the slide-out is also pretty cool. My friend bought a tilt the same day that I did and recently swapped out for an IPhone. He likes it way better, but he was having all sorts of trouble with his tilt. I have been really lucky and have had zero problems. I have installed a bunch of 3rd party apps. I have UL, Mobile shell3, Tom Tom and a few others.
I was an 8525 and then a Tilt owner before I bought my first iPhone, and now, after all these months of modding and "playing" with the iPhone, I have to say it's the best device out. The Tilt is bulky, slow, and WM is horrible compared to the iPhone's OS. The ONLY thing my iPhone lacks is a QWERTY slide-out keyboard which I miss, but after using the built-in keyboard the speed to type is now the same. Size is another factor for me. It's a lot thinner but incorporates a larger screen for viewing as opposed to the thicker brick-like Tilt and smaller screen. With the release of Slingplayer for the iPhone the other day it makes this phone flat-out amazing. I've owned both, was a huge Tilt fan for a long time, but after having both I could NEVER go back to a Tilt. It's just sub-par IMHO.
These arguements over "which is better" only boil down to personal choice, so neither side is "right", but I only appreciate opinions from people that have owned both phones since those of you that have only had one or the other are baised. If you're a Tilt owner I challenge you to own an iPhone and see if you'll ever....EVER...go back to a giant brick like that again. It doesn't have anything a jailbroken iPhone doesn't, and lacks a better OS along with the ability to have apps like the Level tool etc.
I think for someone that just want to have a cool gaget the iphone is the best due it being "hip".
Now for doing something serious the 8925 is one of the best devices to date. I use my 8925 for aero navigation, half the time I have the device on the phone radio is off. When I'm not flying I use a Motorola F3.
I dont get the appeal of the "look at my new phone", or "check out this app", though I hear the iphone is great for looking a gay porn I think the app for that is called iGay, it is bundled with iPrius and iSnob.
ronfin44 said:
I was an 8525 and then a Tilt owner before I bought my first iPhone, and now, after all these months of modding and "playing" with the iPhone, I have to say it's the best device out. The Tilt is bulky, slow, and WM is horrible compared to the iPhone's OS. The ONLY thing my iPhone lacks is a QWERTY slide-out keyboard which I miss, but after using the built-in keyboard the speed to type is now the same. Size is another factor for me. It's a lot thinner but incorporates a larger screen for viewing as opposed to the thicker brick-like Tilt and smaller screen. With the release of Slingplayer for the iPhone the other day it makes this phone flat-out amazing. I've owned both, was a huge Tilt fan for a long time, but after having both I could NEVER go back to a Tilt. It's just sub-par IMHO.
These arguements over "which is better" only boil down to personal choice, so neither side is "right", but I only appreciate opinions from people that have owned both phones since those of you that have only had one or the other are baised. If you're a Tilt owner I challenge you to own an iPhone and see if you'll ever....EVER...go back to a giant brick like that again. It doesn't have anything a jailbroken iPhone doesn't, and lacks a better OS along with the ability to have apps like the Level tool etc.
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Same thing my friend says. Like I said, he bought his tilt the same day that I bought mine and recently got the IPhone. He swears by it now. I'm still not sure I'm convinced. Another thing the IPhone has going for it is Cisco having the rights to produce apps for it. My friend has the Cisco VPN client and VPN's to work and his home lab. That was pretty amazing. It was all very fast as well.
Hey! Read the Announcement at the Top of the Kaiser Section. The one Written By Me.
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I don't get it. Why so many people want to make their WM phones looks like iPhone?
When directly compare WM phones and iPhone (let's leave Linux, Symbian, Palm and Blackberry out of this for now), the majority of serious Smart Phone/ PDA Phone users out there would say WM is better, can do more. So, what is the idea of making WM phones look and act like iPhone. Don't get me wrong, All the developers in this forum making software such as Slide2Unlock and iContact are great, they have proved the superiority of WM phone.
I like my WM phone, it is great. And, I will never make it looks like iPhone. For you people want to make your WM looks like iPhone, why don't you just go get an iPhone and stop make people say WM phone is poor men's alternative to iPhone. I'd say iPhone is the dumb people's alternative to WM phone.
That is very true. the iphone is the dumb people phone, but it is still a very very neat phone. I will eventually end up getting one just because of the wow and neat factor. One thing also is that it is good that apple released a phone like this because now a benchmark is set and i know over time htc will exceed that mark with great products. I love my pocket pc's and will not give it up for an iphone. But we must also admit that it is a neat phone to mess around with.
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I don't get it. Why so many people want to make their WM phones looks like iPhone?
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You are absolutly right. I don't understand them too, and i love my Windows Mobile phone and my usefull today screen. Its funny to read that, because yesterday i wrote an blog-entry about that ;-)
I tend to agree. Apple have got great marketing though - You cannot deny them that. It's shiny, got whistles and bells and i-tunes. Of course people are going to buy it.
I'll stick with my wm device though. Sure I have to overclock the little sucker to get it to operate at a reasonable pace, but I can do with it as I please. I've learnt a lot about my device, software, registry etc . . . How are you gonna get that experience from an i_phone?? (it depends what you want out of a phone i suppose)
I think it may well be like the first time I got my hands on a N95. I was going to get one. . . . then ten minutes later the novelty had worn off (and the battery was pretty worn out too and I resigned myself to the fact that I like my wm5.
I think the i_phone craze is here for now, but a few months after launch here (and Europe) and the honeymoon period will be over and it will just be the latest phone, only to be shortly superceded by the 'next big thing'.
Respect to the people making some of the apps that appear on the i_phone OS and sorting them for wm use. That gives our community even more potential for their devices. Without the developers our wm devices would be no better than all the other phones out there.
i_phone, love it or hate it, you can't deny it's going to eclipse all other mobile releases for some time.
(I think I am going to go and dig out my old 5110, that'll show them in the office tomorrow!)
Rant over.
I disagree.
It's not for many people a matter of good or bad design, it's a competition.
How perfect can we simulate iPhone-Apps, how perfect can we design the UI.
That are the interesting things for many of us.
The same story as Windows Vista arrived. How many of us had before "green gras" as TodayScreen, because it's so beautiful?
No, it's a battle of ideas, a competition. For many users...
which is more towards status symbol
iphone or Jasjam?
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Because we all know that WM phones are FAR superior in terms of tech specs and features to the iphone, but are inferior in terms of an interface/eye candy.
So we want the best of both worlds. An iPhone interface on a powerful WM phone.
Is that really such a bad thing?
"iphone or Jasjam?"
dont think status symbols are that general
i mean if you ask really rich people
something like this
http://www.shinyshiny.tv/2007/06/gold_and_diamon.html
would be a status symbol
if you ask a evil genius a vulcano island with henchmen in stick spandex uniforms maybe more soo
if pda nut Jasjam
if your a fasion statement phone user maybe iphone..
There's only one reason iPhone is so popular: marketing. iPhone even has been an item on the the 8o clock news on television (netherlands). Was HTC's P3300 on the news? NO, but it can do 10x more things than the iphone can! It has GPS, word, push email etc. etc.
Publicity makes publicity: the iphone is so populair because it is so populair. In short: this is a hype. Just like the iPod is a hype. Before there was the iPod, there were dozens of MP3 players who could all the things the iPod could do years later. Many people THINK the iPod is something special and can do things no other device can do: for example, the term 'Podcasting'. The 'Pod' suggests it can only can be done on a iPod, so n00bs buy a iPod to play podcasts.
It's just marketing that does the trick, the more people talk about it, the more people want it.
Nonetheless, the iPhone looks very good. The build quality is very good and the device is easy to understand. And important: its stable. WM5 isn't very stable and difficult to operate. My sister who's 23 isn't able to use my phone, too complicated she says wm5 is for (semi)nerds
thanks Rudegar
nice website
NxJay said:
Because we all know that WM phones are FAR superior in terms of tech specs and features to the iphone, but are inferior in terms of an interface/eye candy.
So we want the best of both worlds. An iPhone interface on a powerful WM phone.
Is that really such a bad thing?
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iPhone interface is not superior at all. There are tons launcher apps, today plug-ins for WM out there that can do much better, and many of them are freewares. What I don't get is that most people putting iPhone look alike interface on their WM phones for a simple reason: making other think they have iPhones. I really feel sorry for those people.
I always think WM phones users are intelligent people, but many among us are doing dumb thing to degrade oneself.
Yesterday was a very good day for me. A couple co-workers were showing off their brand new iPhones. After making comparisons to my 8-month-old WM phone. They became the joke of the office and one actually returned the iPhone back and placed an order for a WM phone.
The fun thing is that the only way your average WM device has better specs than the iPhone is that many of them support 3G now.
The iPhone has a 614MHz processor and some serious video horsepower as well. The limitations of the iPhone lie almost wholly in the virtual keyboard and the 3rd-party dev lockout -- both of which are artifacts of software.
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I don't get it. Why so many people want to make their WM phones looks like iPhone?
When directly compare WM phones and iPhone (let's leave Linux, Symbian, Palm and Blackberry out of this for now), the majority of serious Smart Phone/ PDA Phone users out there would say WM is better, can do more. So, what is the idea of making WM phones look and act like iPhone. Don't get me wrong, All the developers in this forum making software such as Slide2Unlock and iContact are great, they have proved the superiority of WM phone.
I like my WM phone, it is great. And, I will never make it looks like iPhone. For you people want to make your WM looks like iPhone, why don't you just go get an iPhone and stop make people say WM phone is poor men's alternative to iPhone. I'd say iPhone is the dumb people's alternative to WM phone.
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It's not necessarily that people want to make their WM phone look like an iPhone, but more that there is a real desire for a fingertip interface for WM devices.
iphone is glossy. It catches the eye. It has a fun UI to play with. WM is more customizable. Alot more programs to use and have fun with. But seriously, which UI seems more fun to play with? I want to just play with an IPhone for a few days. I know after day 2 or 3, than I would care less what phone I have. Just like my MDA. Why else do I keep reflashing and resetting it up? so I don't get bored of it. LOL!
I think the iPhone has got a fancy interface but it hasn't got the features of WM and it has got a real cool factor but in useability it is WM every time.
imho then
wm vs. iphone
is much like
pc vs. console
1 is very spc'd to do what it was made to do
and not possible to customize much
it's fancy and makes people look and works out of the box
the other is very customizeable and got piles of software
one can make ones own software jack of all trades master of non
support addon hardware and is allways revolving
got a steeper learning curve and can scare n00bs away
imho it's a pretty fair comparison
Reminds me of those pity skinners that love to skin their Winblows machine as a mac (which looks f*gly anyway).
I have to agree with the thread starter. There is no point making your phone look an iPhone. Trust me , it sucks and its a waste of resources and time (It hogs up the System RAM). So for me , I'll stick with the current WM UI (Although I f***ing hate WM ..don't get me wrong guys...But I have no choice but to go with WM Devices as Palm is still left behind in the 20th Century world and Symbian isn't a OS at all [Its a joke])
When you come and think about it , sure WM devices beats hands off. But then will you get the cool X-factor (that is the superb UI and design + the OS of the iPhone - no)
Summary :-
If you want a True Smartphone/PDA Phone - WM Device
If you want a fashion gadget + MP3 Player - iPhone
If you want a phone - Nokia 3310
wm5 ..the one...& iPhone..
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i´m a wm lover, and you now why?? just because y can look to iphone and say,,,,ei man, this application is soo good, the work in iphone is in another direction..more user friendly play groud intertainement...and you ask!! soo..why do you like wm...just simple..because if i like some application on wm...i just install them on my wm5 device...and unisntall if i need...that´s simple..soo simple...wm5 is the one...iphone is very good job...soo if i ant ...just install..he..he...is a small part os wm5
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There's only one reason iPhone is so popular: marketing. iPhone even has been an item on the the 8o clock news on television (netherlands). Was HTC's P3300 on the news? NO, but it can do 10x more things than the iphone can! It has GPS, word, push email etc. etc.
Publicity makes publicity: the iphone is so populair because it is so populair. In short: this is a hype. Just like the iPod is a hype. Before there was the iPod, there were dozens of MP3 players who could all the things the iPod could do years later. Many people THINK the iPod is something special and can do things no other device can do: for example, the term 'Podcasting'. The 'Pod' suggests it can only can be done on a iPod, so n00bs buy a iPod to play podcasts.
It's just marketing that does the trick, the more people talk about it, the more people want it.
Nonetheless, the iPhone looks very good. The build quality is very good and the device is easy to understand. And important: its stable. WM5 isn't very stable and difficult to operate. My sister who's 23 isn't able to use my phone, too complicated she says wm5 is for (semi)nerds
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i totally agree with you, another comparison:
i have a creative zen vision m, all my friends ask me why not buy a ipod and sometimes they make comparision jokes about my mp4 player. But this creative vision has far more specs, it has customized menus and a far more beautiful screen, the only thing it hasnt is the scroll wheel, but who cares.
As Pumba here just said its what people know, they will buy, i bet that after the launch of the iphone there will be many people who never heard about WM but of the iphone yes!
I like the iphone only for its design, im only 16 so im still into all that fashion stuff, so i try to get my WM as sexy as the iphone, enough said?
thank you
Ok I've had it with the iCrap... really...
http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Apples_iPhone_Tops_All_Other_Smart_Phones_in_the_US_08310.html
"Apple’s iPhone Tops All Other Smart Phones in the US" seems to be the title of this article. Granted, a filler article, but how much longer are we going to endure the stupidity of these reports? And can someone tell me what exactly makes the iCrap a smartphone?
call me stupid or something a lot worse but i really fancy getting an iphone but i dont know how good they really are. what software or cooking can be done? i have today just played with one and it feels and works nice. i think i will not get rid of my keiser tho it is a fantastic phone. has anyone got one and what are your thoughts
How dare you....ha ha, just kidding!
I do not have an iPhone....nor do I play one on TV. That being said this is what I know (or think I know):
1. Love the form factor
2. Love the smooth graphics
3. You can "hack" the iPhone so that you can install programs (in fact, I saw someone put the coolest game ever on one called iPhysics). I am really hoping someone here on xda-dev can port that one to WinMo.
4. It is NOWHERE NEAR as customizable as the WinMo platform. If you like tweaking, changing, messing with your phone settings...then stick with WinMo.
5. If only the two could be merged into one device.....
My 2 cents. Others may challenge my observations. Good luck.
As much as I would like one, there still are many shortcomings that make me stick with my tilt, with the primary one being that I cannot sync to my exchange server at work yet. Additionally, the lack of 3rd party software. I have been a Windows Mobile user for about 8 years now and I've built up a rather large list of frequently used applications and games to get me through the day. I'm also holding off for increased storage as my music collection alone is over 30 gb and adding videos on top of that, 8 gb just doesn't cut it.
Not quite sure how this thread fits in the Kaiser upgrade section though.
Price and customizations
Pros and cons over a Kaiser
Pros
1) Sleeeeeeeeeek
2) Really Nice browsing and multimedia experience(though it might not support some formats)
3) Like Borat says it has p.. magnet installed.
4) Works well with Mac and PC(iTunes)
5) 8GB Memory
6) Absolutely no worry about which radio or OS build to use.No sleepless nights burning new builds.Peach of mind.
Cons
1) Price (I got my tilt for 150$ in ATT premier)
2) No GPS hardware
3) If you have an unlock one, it will be a brick when you update a new firmware.
4) No outlook server sync
5) If your are with ATT then you have to have the Data Connection even if you don't need it(extra $)
6) Remember you will never see the beautiful tricolor screen ever.. ever in your life.
7) No 3G
For me the cost to feature and can't customize factors are deal breakers
crispyj said:
As much as I would like one, there still are many shortcomings that make me stick with my tilt, with the primary one being that I cannot sync to my exchange server at work yet. Additionally, the lack of 3rd party software. I have been a Windows Mobile user for about 8 years now and I've built up a rather large list of frequently used applications and games to get me through the day. I'm also holding off for increased storage as my music collection alone is over 30 gb and adding videos on top of that, 8 gb just doesn't cut it.
Not quite sure how this thread fits in the Kaiser upgrade section though.
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I just hate Apple!
Not to take anything away from their products....they do make some nice stuff.
I too, have alot of programs that I use, all my movies and music are ready to go....just drag and drop on my sd card. I don't need my whole library with me. I barely listen or watch the stuff that I do carry around. I walk around with 8 albums and 2 movies...that's more than enough.
I've seen alot of people lose their music going from one computer to the next or upgrading devices. Dealing with .mp3's & .avi's, I don't have this issue.
Eventhough the iPhone is straight forward, to me it seems more complicated. Dealing with flashing ROMs or Radios and white screen and bootup screens to me is easy. I know what to expect, I know how to fix and it gives me an escape from the wife.
Hope you enjoyed my story....I will not get an iPhone.
I'll let my wife be the guinea pig
I got both initially. Returned the iPhone and was embarrassed I'd ever wondered which to get. While sleek, it's far slower (data speed) and has far fewer functional capabilities. I have faith it will eventually be an amazing device (version 2 or 3), but I thought of it as a Paris Hilton type girlfriend. It will be fun to look at and play with for about a month. When you really have to start interacting with it long-term you'll find out it's mostly style and not much substance. Perfect phone for teenagers and people with no responsibilities.
BTW - I've had for more girls chat me up over my Kaiser than I did with the iPhone...mostly because iPhones are relatively widespread here now.
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call me stupid or something a lot worse but i really fancy getting an iphone but i dont know how good they really are. what software or cooking can be done? i have today just played with one and it feels and works nice. i think i will not get rid of my keiser tho it is a fantastic phone. has anyone got one and what are your thoughts
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And this has got what to do with Kaiser upgrade?????????????????
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And this has got what to do with Kaiser upgrade?????????????????
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I guess he is wondering whether the iPhone might be an upgrade over the Kaiser?
I would suggesting waiting until around the middle of the year and get the 3G iphone, i had a iphone and i took it back just based on the fact the data was too slow but other than that it was perfect.
just my 5 cents...
I was seriously considering replacing my vario III with N95 8gigs ... but thank You Lord!! I found my common sense once more... symbian.. never more.
iphone?
as someone wise once said... are You watching movies all day? do You really need to put more than one of Yer greasy fingers on Yer screen at a time to feel better? ....... any other pros?
look pal... I don't want to convince You that tytn II is the best toy ever, but all I can say is, that You certainly won't find better swiss army knife of pocket computing. period.
I won't point out the features. we all know them... guess what? the list is getting bigger. each day.......
welcome to xda-developers forum
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oh yeah... btw. I'll stick with it till better winmo device will come out. hopefully they won't be holding back wm7 for too long..
unixdeveloper said:
Pros and cons over a Kaiser
Pros
1) Sleeeeeeeeeek
2) Really Nice browsing and multimedia experience(though it might not support some formats)
3) Like Borat says it has p.. magnet installed.
4) Works well with Mac and PC(iTunes)
5) 8GB Memory
6) Absolutely no worry about which radio or OS build to use.No sleepless nights burning new builds.Peach of mind.
Cons
1) Price (I got my tilt for 150$ in ATT premier)
2) No GPS hardware
3) If you have an unlock one, it will be a brick when you update a new firmware.
4) No outlook server sync
5) If your are with ATT then you have to have the Data Connection even if you don't need it(extra $)
6) Remember you will never see the beautiful tricolor screen ever.. ever in your life.
7) No 3G
For me the cost to feature and can't customize factors are deal breakers
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# 3 is wrong. If you unlock your phone all you need to do is virginize it BEFORE updating your firmware.
# 4 WRONG! You can sync with outlook and do so wirelessly!
# 5 is wrong. I have my plan based on my Tilt and switch SIMs regularly. You lose visual voicemail but gain the ability to use MMS with the Swirly MMS 3rd party app.
# 7 is why the iPhone has 3x's the battery life of my Tilt.
My pros and cons based on using both daily:
iPhone Pros:
1) Sleek design. Better for me during the summer to take than have a brick on my hip.
2) Safari is the best browser out. End of discussion on browsers.
3) Once jailbroken your phone can have MMS, VoIP, Video Record, and a TON of awesome apps you wont see on WM6.*
4) Graphically better looking and easy to mod
5) Faster UI. Apps run a lot faster starting. NO soft resets needed UNLESS a new app fresh out has some bugs..just like ANY beta.
iPhone Cons:
1) No ability to receive MMS yet, though the developer of Swirly MMS is working to fix this
2) No GPS, but someone has already made a GPS device that plugs into the iPhone and does work! Not ready to be released yet.
3) Video Record has no sound. Sh!tty app release IMO.
4) No QWERTY.
The iPhone is an awesome phone, just incomplete IMO. That's why I use both. Situation dictates device for me.
For me, the iPhone is missing too much - 3G, Bluetooth stereo, Exchange sync, video recording, voice dialing and (perhaps most importantly) the ability to tweak and customize to my heart's content.
However, I got one for my wife for Christmas, and for her it's the perfect device - something that "just works" and doesn't require daily maintenance, hacks and 3d-party replacement programs just to make it useable. I tried several times in the past to get her to use Palm/WM devices, and they always ended up in a drawer after a couple of weeks. The iPhone, on the other hand, is her constant companion.
If they eventually implement most or all of the missing features I listed above, I'll seriously consider getting one. It really is an amazing device with great hardware and a GUI that's leagues ahead of anything else on the market.
i just like my Universal and Blueangel. I have already burnt mah fingers twice by choosing imac.
Check out iphone and you will forget your WM bricks, i bet
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Check out iphone and you will forget your WM bricks, i bet
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Oh, ok then. All the detailed arguments didn't sway me, but since you called my phone a brick I'm convinced.
After the launch of SDK, iPhone will be a totally different device.. Imagine a WM with no 3rd Party Software/mods installed.
All of my previous WM devies had new kind of problems. Some had touch screen alignment problem, random muting, even these 400mhz processors are hell slow.
Im not saying that iPhones are perfect devices but alteast are better than these PPCs.
I own a Kaiser and an iPhone.
I'm a cooker, and you will see in my signature my work. I like to tweak, mod etc... I also own an unlimited internet HSDPA connection.
Therefore I prefer the iPhone.
It don't own a GPS, but I don't use it eveyday! (for this, I use the Kaiser or my Asus 620BT)
-The display drivers are crap on the Kaiser (everybody knows), they are wonderfull on the iPhone, you seems to have 3x more power.
-The camera is a little better on the iPhone (I can send same photos at the same time I took with the devices to compare)
-The screen is better on the iPhone (16/9 half-vga) and the colors are better (every photos or videos are improved on this device), iphone can play H264. if I put the same video on the Kaiser with TCPMP or CORE PLayer, I only see a slideshow
-the Multitouch is really good to slide/resize your photos.
-The touch is better on the iPhone (no need to push on the screen) this is a technology patented by Apple.
-Safari (the web brower) is better than any other brower on WinMo (better than Opera Mini wich is for me the best). Even Maps wich display better than googleMaps ans all other app (dialer, sms, calendar with wheel etc).
-The antenna Wifi is better on the iPhone too.
Well (for me) everything is better on the iPhone, the only regret is the speed while I surf the internet (HSDPA is better than Edge) I can reach 1MB/S on the Kaiser.
For the Visio on the Kaiser: nobody can hear me clearly (when I am in a quiet environment), I need to shout on the mic, so the person can not see my face anymore. so it's unusable for me. I don't know if this issue is on all Kaiser (I own the french Vodafone SFR rom).
the MP3 player is better on the iPhone (I use Shure E2C (99$ headset) on both devices), the quality is far better. and I prefer to navigate using the iPhone.
I like to share the internet connexion on the Kaiser but I can do it on the iPhone too, but as I said it's faster on the Kaiser...
Someone put the price of the iPhone as "CON" but the Kaiser come with 128MB and the iPhone with 8GB...
In fact, I think it depend of what you need, you will prefer the kaiser or the iPhone. I read someone hates Apple,ok, but I hate HTC for not doing a better 3D display driver like the other 8000+ persons who have signed the petition.
At least Apple provided good drivers and a fast device
agreed with gibs.. U just explained it better
I'd get a fake iphone from china, apparently some have "windows mobile" on them
and then u will have a fake device with a buggy OS.. 2 in 1
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/209376/htc-touch-diamond.html
I was thinking of buying one of these, now i am put off .....
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http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/209376/htc-touch-diamond.html
I was thinking of buying one of these, now i am put off .....
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NO IT'S NOT (that bad)!!!
It's a beautiful device, FTouchFlo3D looks wonderful, it's small, it's thin, it has many many small details...
True, the first ROM was slow and laggie (is that a word?). But now already after a few weeks there are many new ROMs including the newly cooked ones that make the device much snappier, stabile and sometimes really fast.
There still are some points like memory leaking and short batterylife but I'm sure these things will be solved in the near future.
I LOVE IT!!!!!
it depends ... and besides that do you believe everything you read ? I can find you you as much reviews about how is Diamond great as about how is Diamond bad ... if you really want to know buy it and try it if it fits your needs
I believe everything I read ;->
but seriously, I didn't want to upset anyone.
I am a big user of HTC devices. Its just this one seems a bit overhyped and you do worry about this type of review as this magazine is reasonably respected. good to hear that newer ROMs are better. Are the official ROMs better ?
Any piece of **** review that mentions the Apple iPhone in the first two paragraphs is probably written by an Apple fanboy and.. well, you know where the review is heading...
Ignore this trash.
There are alot of reviews floating around the net... I personally followed the coolsmartphone take on the Diamond http://www.coolsmartphone.com/article775.html
He had the phone and posted video reviews every day for a week. This was a great way of doing things as it helped people get a feel for the phone and what it was capable of.
I agree that the signal strength isnt the highest ive had (fixable in a ROM update with new RADIO im sure) but other than that ive not installed any Custom Rom on my diamond and ive not even used any of the Registry Tweaks that this site talks about and im very happy with my Diamond.
I would say pop into a store when they are released and get a feel for one first if your that concerned but all ive gotta say is ive finally got a device that does it all and improves on the Windows Mobile Interface.
Im not going to slate the iPhone as to be honest its prob due to the iPhone coming out, giving all Phone Manuafacturers a well needed kick up the arse to start thinking about what people what.
The Diamond is the bees knees and the mutts nuts! Im chuffed with mine and have no intention of getting rid of it.
I loved my Touch Dual, but this is now on eBay. It would take alot for me to put that up for sale, and the Diamond managed to do that straight away!
I tend to agree with those that dismiss this review as overly negative. In fact, at the end of the review, they say that HTC may make some tweaks that make it a half decent phone. Many of those tweaks have appeared already in the new production version of the ROM (1.37).
My view in a nutshell:
Windows 6.1 is a feature rich and customisable platform which allows you to do some great things with your phone. However, the user interface of raw windows is pretty ugly.
HTC's Touchflow3D is a flawed masterpiece. What it does and how it looks is great, but it's just not quite quick enough - and still doesn't hide away all of the ugly aspects of windows. NEvertheless, it is pretty damn good - and much better than the first touchflow versions (IMHO).
Diamond is available now, with 3g, GPS, etc - I'm sure HTC and Apple will leapfrog each other with their releases from here.
HTC's new form factor has finally delivered Chic. I've always thought they pack a lot into their little boxes - but this is a phone that doesn't screak "geek" when you look at it (even though all the geeky capabilities are there!).
The responsiveness of the screen is a differentiator - given the extra functionality of the HTC, you will at times want to use the stylus. This has forced them into using resistive technology which is a bit less responsive than the iPhone. However, the benefit is that you can do things that the iPhone simply cant do!
Oh, I should say that the activesync of Diamond with outlook works like a dream .
If I had one major criticism of the Diamond, it's the memory. I don't need an SD slot, but I do wish they could have squeezed in 8 or 16gigs.
Ultimately, the choice between Apple and HTC is about whether you want a locked down feature-set which hangs together margianlly better, or something which is infinitely improvable, but lacks the out-of-the-box slickness of the iPhone. Personally, for the money I'll go for HTC every time.
Best bet: try and get your hands on one, and see how it feels - a bit like compact cameras, there's a lot of personal preference of how it feels in the hand, which can matter more to the user than pure specifications. I think the Diamond will win you over - particularly if you're looking at a newer ROM version!
And to think he got paid to write that...
He praises Opera 9.5, while I think although useful at times, this browser still needs a lot of work before I move from IE mobile permanently.
Conclusion - Opinions are like a-holes - everyone has one.... he is...
Well guys... the time has come for me to move on. I recently got a 32gb Iphone 3GS last week and love it! The main reason I moved to it was for its speed and incredible improvements in features over the 3G, as well as the amazing touchscreen keyboard. I really had wanted to go with the Touch Pro 2 for AT&T, but could not wait till October for the release. Also, I had a chance to try out the TMobile version of the Touch Pro 2, but was a little let down by it. I expected it to be much better from all the rumors surrounding it on the web, but it wasn't. I was hoping the VGA resolution and wider screen would make the all new touchdscreen keyboard on the TP2 as good as the Iphone, but it wasn't very accurate. I loved the hardware keypad buttons my Kaiser, but since the TP2 doesn't have those and is full touchscreen unless the keyboard is slid out, I figured I might as well get the Iphone since it's a touchscreen as well. The TP2 seemed a little slow compared to what I thought it would be from the online reviews. The slide out keypad was very nice, and much better than our Kaiser's. Another thing that WM doesn't have which is why I switched to the Iphone, is its Facebook app with chat. I use Facebook at work daily, and love the ability to be able to see who's online on my phone. I had been under the belief that I would always stick with Windows Mobile since it is so customizable. I loved my HTC Kaiser, which I successfully converted from a Tilt to a TyTN II by changing the housing and adding the front camera. I am truly amazed at how much I learned about this device since I joined this forum, from flashing custom roms, to changing registry settings, and configuration settings to make the device work even better. Before this forum, my Tilt was a joke since it was so slow. Now, it's amazingly fast, and very functional.
Basically, I just wanted to thank all the members on this forum who helped me whenever I had any problems. All of you were so helpful and were quick to respond. I also wanted to thank all the chefs and developers who put all their hard work in to making those custom roms for free, and updating them frequently. I really enjoyed the WM 6.5 releases you guys created, even though it isn't officially out . Lol.
My Tilt has been the first phone that I have owned that I still truly love, even after getting a new Iphone. I will be attending Cal Poly University in a few weeks, majoring in Electrical Engineering, and plan to bring my Tilt with me. I still browse this forum almost daily, since the developments, along with the members, are just great. I plan to still update my Tilt with new roms that come along, since it just seems wrong not to, and is something I have been doing forever. I am not truly leaving this forum, just won't be here as often since I have a new daily device. I will still be around here though to offer help to people who have problems or need advice.
Anyways, sorry for the long post, but just wanted to thank everyone, instead of just basically leaving on a bad note saying WM sucks. I believe it can only improve, and can't wait to see what lies ahead for it. Thanks again.
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Well guys... the time has come for me to move on. I recently got a 32gb Iphone 3GS last week and love it!
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Take a peek at my avatar on your way out.
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And good luck "you'll need it" JK
I'm so on the edge as well....have the Tilt all modded out, and want the Touch Pro 2, but I keep seeing my brother doing all this stuff on his iphone and so I've been looking for an unlocked used one to try out on T-mobile. If the TP2 wasn't $350 bucks!!! I'd already have it....
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Well guys... the time has come for me to move on. I recently got a 32gb Iphone 3GS last week and love it! The main reason I moved to it was for its speed and incredible improvements in features over the 3G, as well as the amazing touchscreen keyboard. I really had wanted to go with the Touch Pro 2 for AT&T, but could not wait till October for the release. Also, I had a chance to try out the TMobile version of the Touch Pro 2, but was a little let down by it. I expected it to be much better from all the rumors surrounding it on the web, but it wasn't. I was hoping the VGA resolution and wider screen would make the all new touchdscreen keyboard on the TP2 as good as the Iphone, but it wasn't very accurate. I loved the hardware keypad buttons my Kaiser, but since the TP2 doesn't have those and is full touchscreen unless the keyboard is slid out, I figured I might as well get the Iphone since it's a touchscreen as well. The TP2 seemed a little slow compared to what I thought it would be from the online reviews. The slide out keypad was very nice, and much better than our Kaiser's. Another thing that WM doesn't have which is why I switched to the Iphone, is its Facebook app with chat. I use Facebook at work daily, and love the ability to be able to see who's online on my phone. I had been under the belief that I would always stick with Windows Mobile since it is so customizable. I loved my HTC Kaiser, which I successfully converted from a Tilt to a TyTN II by changing the housing and adding the front camera. I am truly amazed at how much I learned about this device since I joined this forum, from flashing custom roms, to changing registry settings, and configuration settings to make the device work even better. Before this forum, my Tilt was a joke since it was so slow. Now, it's amazingly fast, and very functional.
Basically, I just wanted to thank all the members on this forum who helped me whenever I had any problems. All of you were so helpful and were quick to respond. I also wanted to thank all the chefs and developers who put all their hard work in to making those custom roms for free, and updating them frequently. I really enjoyed the WM 6.5 releases you guys created, even though it isn't officially out . Lol.
My Tilt has been the first phone that I have owned that I still truly love, even after getting a new Iphone. I will be attending Cal Poly University in a few weeks, majoring in Electrical Engineering, and plan to bring my Tilt with me. I still browse this forum almost daily, since the developments, along with the members, are just great. I plan to still update my Tilt with new roms that come along, since it just seems wrong not to, and is something I have been doing forever. I am not truly leaving this forum, just won't be here as often since I have a new daily device. I will still be around here though to offer help to people who have problems or need advice.
Anyways, sorry for the long post, but just wanted to thank everyone, instead of just basically leaving on a bad note saying WM sucks. I believe it can only improve, and can't wait to see what lies ahead for it. Thanks again.
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I too went to the Iphone. Sigh
Thanks for the positive comments left by the few of you that did. I am in no way biased toward the Iphone, nor WM, I just appreciate a fine device, regardless of its make. For those of you that have criticized the Iphone, I ask you this, "Have you even tried the new 3GS out yourself, or are you just basing your opinion on responses from other people?" Before the 3GS, I never would have considered the Iphone, since it's features really weren't that great. The 3GS has some amazing features, that truly swayed me. There are just some things that truly make the Iphone better. I was sick of not being able to do what friends of mine were able to do with there older Iphones, like Facebook chat, as well as get some of the amazing apps available from the app store. The 3MP camera with autofocus is truly amazing! Also the amount of storage space on the phone is truly great. For me, I own a MacBook Pro, so switching to the Iphone made compatibility between the two much easier. Not here to criticize devices, just here to clear up some misconceptions about them.
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I'm so on the edge as well....have the Tilt all modded out, and want the Touch Pro 2, but I keep seeing my brother doing all this stuff on his iphone and so I've been looking for an unlocked used one to try out on T-mobile. If the TP2 wasn't $350 bucks!!! I'd already have it....
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Good luck. The 3G is pretty good, but for me, the 3GS was the only model that was actually an upgrade for me from the Tilt. I love taking pictures and videos, so getting a basic 3G would have been a downgrade due to a lower MP camera, and no video recording. Not to mention that the 3G can't do tethering, unless it is jail broken I believe. Plus the 3GS is twice as fast!
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Good luck. The 3G is pretty good, but for me, the 3GS was the only model that was actually an upgrade for me from the Tilt. I love taking pictures and videos, so getting a basic 3G would have been a downgrade due to a lower MP camera, and no video recording. Not to mention that the 3G can't do tethering, unless it is jail broken I believe. Plus the 3GS is twice as fast!
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If you really think that this thing is going to take decent pictures and video for you, you are going to be sadly disappointed. I went to a wedding yesterday with my 3Gs 16GB Black, the camera is great outdoors with natural light in ideal settings, but so is my " dollar store " keychain digital camera. Inside in appropriate wedding lighting, it was useless.
Aside from that , what do you have A.D.D. ? Chumley Ex and I both have Tilts and 3Gs' , we haven't said goodbye. It's like being married and having a girlfriend on the side , can't you do both ?
I am a loyal Tilt-er (for the past two years), and I just tried out a 3GS this weekend to see what all the fuss was about.
It is a beautiful machine, but there are several things that I still find inferior to the Tilt:
1. Soft keyboard makes typing long messages difficult.
2. Can't sync POP properly. I can delete messages off the server from my phone, but when I delete messages off the server and I've already downloaded them to my phone, they stay on my phone. Tilt handles that and keeps all POP inboxes synced to the server.
3. Switching between email accounts is incredibly tedious and time-consuming, having to back out of one and then go into another, especially if you have many folders.
4. Still no GPS app with text-to-speech for street names.
5. Horrendous battery life.
Did I miss anything? Am I wrong about any of these? I do like the iPhone, but it doesn't feel like I'll be productive enough. Thoughts? Thanks.
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I'm so on the edge as well....have the Tilt all modded out, and want the Touch Pro 2, but I keep seeing my brother doing all this stuff on his iphone and so I've been looking for an unlocked used one to try out on T-mobile. If the TP2 wasn't $350 bucks!!! I'd already have it....
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Easyy, TP2 (would be) around $1200 in here.. =)))
Wish you a happy life with your iPhone.
hey.. Where can I find "all" those tricks to get my Kaiser faster btw? There's not a general topic saying "get it fast" and and I can't make a accurate search since I don't know what makes it faster?
quite off topic.. hope someone can tolerate and help =)
bye mate =)
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I am a loyal Tilt-er (for the past two years), and I just tried out a 3GS this weekend to see what all the fuss was about.
It is a beautiful machine, but there are several things that I still find inferior to the Tilt:
1. Soft keyboard makes typing long messages difficult.
2. Can't sync POP properly. I can delete messages off the server from my phone, but when I delete messages off the server and I've already downloaded them to my phone, they stay on my phone. Tilt handles that and keeps all POP inboxes synced to the server.
3. Switching between email accounts is incredibly tedious and time-consuming, having to back out of one and then go into another, especially if you have many folders.
4. Still no GPS app with text-to-speech for street names.
5. Horrendous battery life.
Did I miss anything? Am I wrong about any of these? I do like the iPhone, but it doesn't feel like I'll be productive enough. Thoughts? Thanks.
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Tilt is bulky and slow compared.
Tilt music and video play back suck, if you can get video working at all
Internet access and browsing is slow and clunky compared.
Can't play my DRM itunes library on Tilt.
Tilt can be "fixed" for all of this , but 3Gs out of the box does it all,
Both your list and mine go on and on, which is why I have both.
The cool thing about the tilt was that 2 years ago it did pretty much everything the newer iphone do now. When the tilt hit the stands the iphone was only edge, it had no gps etc.
The tilt can go to all the nice flash pr0n site, the iphone only gets one.
the iphone is smooth and it just feels like something from the future.
Just a mini review of my HD7 after 4 days use. Coming from an HD2 (with 6.5.5 & Android) and having had mobiles since the classic was the only phone on Cellnet you could get I've used most!
However the HD7 being a first version has it's issues. A couple I have noticed are just stupid - others annoying.
I won't go over how it looks or the tiles or anything like that; this is just my experience of the device as a "phone".
Call quality seems ok - but the moment you get a border line signal you're stuffed. Incoming call audio is fine they just cannot hear you at all. Nothing Nada! You need to get a bar on the signal meter or you've no hope of being heard. My 5800 & HD2 both hang on to a cell signal much longer than the HD7 does.
Phone book is nice however it has a trend to dial the last person called rather than the entry you want - especially if you've gone from call history to the phone book - I don't know how many times I phoned my mum recently (but I am sorry for being a phone pest!!). Again this seems to be a version 1 issues.
But my biggest two grips are that how do you save an email attachment? We've all got things on our phones we want to transfer - Nokia do a lovely app to BT all your old goodies to your new phone - please other phone people take note!
So emailed myself the file(s) I needed - they appear in the email - but no way to save them - I can open the media - just not save it! Great. No "right" finger or "hold" finger menu in email application.
OK then - lets BT the files over ... turn BT on - let's pair with the HD2 and get some files from it. Nope cannot pair with the HD2 in Android or WM6 - says "paired" but unable to connect. Fine. Let's try another way with BT push - nope - paired cannot connect... Bleeeeewwwhhh.
So there does not seem to be anyway to get something from someone on the move sent to your phone. Cannot save attachments and cannot pair with other phones to BT files. Maybe a v1 issue again?
Not too sure on the HD7 at the moment - the wow is nice and yes the interface seems to be working as expected. However loose a data connection and you cannot open the people hub until you restart the device for some odd reason after loading Facebook contacts, and worst still "Lists" no longer works and gives a message about a DLL missing. Great, cannot find a way to un-install it or re-install it. The only menu option is "share" which does not help much really.
I am going to see if there is anything on line about the issues it seems to have. But so far - yes good phone - but WP7 needs some work. Maybe a quick update is needed here Microsoft? HTC seem to have done well getting the units out - not sure if anyone else is seeing similar?
Oh and I would really like a some menus to give some more control over the phone! You criticise WM6.5 for not being very finger friendly - but at least you have some options to change! Where are they hidden in 7 LOL!
So far hardware 10/10 but OS? 2 maybe 3 /10.
Oh and HTC you're being bloody cheap not sending out your top of the range phone with out a sleeve to keep it in, the HD2 has a lovely sleeve and that has saved it many a time - the HD7 I had to spend another £15.00 ($20) on a bumper to keep it safe as no one has the sleeves yet!
So far my HD2 is with me the HD7 is at home - not sure yet if I can rely on it 24/7 as my primary phone.
I would not go as far as to say it is poor - WP7 that is - but I am for one not impressed considering that people must have tried at least once to BT each other something?
You are missing the point of this phone. While I agree on some of your good points (but few) this is supposed to be the Zune phone , the equivalent of the iPhone, basically an eye-candy multimedia-device which should also do basic comunication in a fast and easy way. I also came a long way over the years playing with Symbian & WM 5-6.5 and I loved all the tweeking and extra customization you had BUT to be honest I got bored with it.
As years passed I saw mobile phones becoming the substituent of the PC but also a substiuent of its problems.Just look at the past 2-3 years. Now we have discussions about freckin RAM and GHz when the whole point of the phone was JUST to run smooth and work fine ,not to mention the fact that battery development has been left with the same batteries from 2006 or so.
Basically it just got stucked.I was freckin tired of walking in a mobile shop and seing a bunch of touchscreen with a zillion icons as wallpaper.
Where was the excitement of actually buying a phone for having something new?
That was the main reason since I never bought a touchscreen phone and I have sticked with my (g)old E71 for the time being.
Android is IMO a laggy joke. Yes , it's still lagy and that is why I didn't buy a high-end smartphone untill now , the HD7.
I don't want to pay 400 euros for a laggy interface.
It's been 3 years already since the iPhone and it has still been the fastest OS with no lag until WP7.
Why my view may be a little off-topic I think this was the main idea of the WP7.Getting ridd of those "Really?!" moments.
I want a phone in 2010 which runs fast,smoooth and adds the basic customization(it's where WP7 currently lacks but it's not terrible).
For I-can't-find-my-sfnag.dll-complaiment people should buy/use their laptops
I hope WP7 rises as remembers this "high-end competition" what the purpose of a (multimedia) phone really is
I think yly3 has a point - one of the main features of WM7 (for better or worse) was the increased reliance on cloud storage. Maybe this was why most of the phones we're seeing are only 8Gb.
I think anyone coming from WM6.5 expecting WP7 to be an incremental upgrade, including existing functionality is likely to be disappointed.
What I foresee is mainly 3rd party apps making use of an opened up Bluetooth stack to gain access to your skydrive as if it were local storage. Similarly, having the option to save email attachments to your skydrive would be neat (I believe .docs can be saved)
For me, this is either genius, or a disaster - if you're away from a signal, your files are inaccessible, which is frustrating. That said, I'm rarely away from a signal these days, so maybe it's a non-issue.
Time will tell.
I have been using my HD7 for 2 weeks now, I love it and hate it at the same time. I love it for its smooth, flawless and simple user interface, but hate cause its just too simple... I know and expected that this was a locked up phone before I bought it but.. even some basic functions that I was used to doing on my HD2 was missing. Functions like sending files thru BT from my phone to any BT device. Even some basic configuration like adjusting the volume of the ringer is not clear on configuration page. its just a toggle on/off and not to mention that i can't use custom ringtones? I loved using custom mp3 for ringtones.. cause in a crowded place.. I would now that my phone was the one ringing. And just like steve said...the phone didn't come with a nice leather pouch to keep it safe, for a pricy phone like this. I just wish they would improve wp7 much sooner so I could enjoy using this phone more and get my money's worth.
The first update is due early 2011, so don't get your hopes up for ANY updates untill then. Rumours are that Copy/paste, BT, & Camera are all big factors in the first update.
I can't really complain after a solid 3 weeks of owning the phone. Yes there are a few niggles, but it's MUCH better than Iphones OS v1 was. So looking good imo.
Also all the comments i've seen on this thread appear to be on WP7, not the HD7 itself. Slightly confusing by the Thread title.
well thats good news i don't mind the wait.. but i hope they do fix it with the update... but those are for WP7. the comment i have for the device itself (with HTC HD7) is that it didnt came with a pouch like my HD2, as all new phones ...it will take time here before i could buy a protective sleeve or rubber whatever. i just hope i don't drop or scratch it with my coins and keys in my pocket. also the camera button is hard to press... wish there was configuration where i could use the touch sensitive keys to take a picture. and speaking of wich.. the search key (bing key) really bugs me. i kept miss touching it for no reason.. and bing keeps getting in my way even when i'm playing games
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the comment i have for the device itself (with HTC HD7) is that it didnt came with a pouch like my HD2, as all new phones ...
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the search key (bing key) really bugs me. i kept miss touching it for no reason.. and bing keeps getting in my way even when i'm playing games
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My first purchase was Need for Speed, and the number of times I've been about to complete a circut, only to nudge the 'serach' button, which kicks me out of the race and I need to start again, is a real pain in the 'a**'.
It would be great if this button could be disabled while gaming, it's just too sensative and close to where you need to hold the phone....
Don't get me wrong @poopilot I do like the phone but the omission of a simple sleeve for the phone smacks of cheapness. And anything with a screen this large needs some protection in a pocket or on the desk, all to easy to scratch.
And yes the thread title @Audio could be more specific - but these are my view of WP7 on an HD7 - so it is pretty on topic for HD7 General. The comments would be the same for WP7 for all devices as they are all the same. I am just saying that it is a shame for something so late in the game that all the i & t's were not dotted and crossed before we got our hands on it.
And to @yly3 - your analagy is flawed. If Windows 7 is the succesor to Vista in the way WM7 is to 6.5 - how would you feel if Windows 7 had no control panel, you could not save locally and the only network you could use was Microsofts? I am pretty darn sure you'ld feel agrived. But say if I don't want to share pictures on skydrive - I want to BT or MMS or Twitter or Facebook I want to choose - I don't want to be limited to a single option.
If you play with a Desire you get loads of options for most things - hell I cannot even change the MMS picture size! LOL! Bring on regedit that's all I can say! I must be crazy but you cannot see MS's usability labs having an iphone 1 and thinking "this is all people need, they wont cut and paste or want to do anything other than gaze at the UI"! If you are going to call a phone a smartphone it does in fact need to be smart. Not average.
I see what you mean but again this was named Windows Phone 7 , not Windows Mobile 7 and Microsoft stated many times it's something new , build completely from zero.
The main problem of WP7 would be, as you pointed, the lack of choice. Honestly, I don't know how many really use copy-paste. I don't know if I barely used it 4-5 times the last couple of years but that's just me not the whole world. And I am very surprised people still use MMS.
This is also a strategy to have your product upgraded and keep interest in it just like Apple has done it in the last years.
Maybe I am over-excited for finally having something new and fresh offered and according to the constant praise and support of Steve Ballmer this platform will get more updates than we have seen on any other mobile OS so far (it is Microsoft after all) thus having the first update 2 months after the release date.
So, basically I won't go further and maybe I don't have a strong argument against what you said but what I tend to see in nowadays reviews is that most of the people don't seem to get the whole picture and analyze a new phone only by checking their personal list of must-have features (again , agreeing that most of them really are a must).
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Don't get me wrong @poopilot I do like the phone but the omission of a simple sleeve for the phone smacks of cheapness. And anything with a screen this large needs some protection in a pocket or on the desk, all to easy to scratch.
And yes the thread title @Audio could be more specific - but these are my view of WP7 on an HD7 - so it is pretty on topic for HD7 General. The comments would be the same for WP7 for all devices as they are all the same. I am just saying that it is a shame for something so late in the game that all the i & t's were not dotted and crossed before we got our hands on it.
And to @yly3 - your analagy is flawed. If Windows 7 is the succesor to Vista in the way WM7 is to 6.5 - how would you feel if Windows 7 had no control panel, you could not save locally and the only network you could use was Microsofts? I am pretty darn sure you'ld feel agrived. But say if I don't want to share pictures on skydrive - I want to BT or MMS or Twitter or Facebook I want to choose - I don't want to be limited to a single option.
If you play with a Desire you get loads of options for most things - hell I cannot even change the MMS picture size! LOL! Bring on regedit that's all I can say! I must be crazy but you cannot see MS's usability labs having an iphone 1 and thinking "this is all people need, they wont cut and paste or want to do anything other than gaze at the UI"! If you are going to call a phone a smartphone it does in fact need to be smart. Not average.
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There are definitely things that are missing, no question, but I think they've got it right for a first release. If they waited to get everything done then we'd never see the OS. It's completely different to Android, and indeed WM6.5 I'm pretty sure I'm right in saying that WM6.5 will be continued alongside WP7. I like the fact that it's all simple to use (and I'm a tech head). Sure it can occasionally be irritating where I want to get into the bluetooth settings for example to configure it more closely, but ultimately I can completely understand why they've done it. All you have to do is go in and turn it on, then choose a device to pair with. It involves very few steps which was exactly the spec for this OS.
I'm sure that in time there will be options to configure things more closely, but they will be hidden away so that you have to consciously choose to go into the advanced settings. Android was real fun for a while, something different, but I actually think that it's far too techy. After a while I got bored of everything being a bit clunky and hidden behind too many menus etc... To use everyday, it's just not that usable, not when you compare it to something like WP7.
I'm really looking forward to writing some apps for WP7 as I think it provides a different challenge - to make your app consistent with the UI and make it as user-friendly as possible. I think the possibilities are massive with WP7, and as long as MS really commits to it, rolls out regular updates to keep on improving the UI - crucially without breaking what it already does - then it could be a huge hit.
Steve_Walker totally agreed with you. WM6.5 has something different but with looking at WP7 ???
I am asking myself why should i get a wp7 phone instead of iphone? And the only reason i can find is 4.3" display .
Microsoft really needs to think clearly and understand they must make something different not a ios kind os.
MS will going to loose much
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Steve_Walker totally agreed with you. WM6.5 has something different but with looking at WP7 ???
I am asking myself why should i get a wp7 phone instead of iphone? And the only reason i can find is 4.3" display .
Microsoft really needs to think clearly and understand they must make something different not a ios kind os.
MS will going to loose much
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1) The media player is alot better.
2) Zune Pass.
3) WP7 is alot faster than any iPhone. My entire family has 3GSs and iPhone 4s and they will even admit my phone is alot faster to do anything. I havent even turned my lag fixed Vibrant on this I got this HD7 also.
4) App intergeneration. WP7 really does take this to a different level.
You'd be a fool to say WP7 doesnt have its flaws and bugs, but you'd also be a fool to ignore everything GREAT it does. Android does alot of things well but is anything great? iOS does some great things, but honestly I prefer WP7 over iOS.
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1) The media player is alot better.
2) Zune Pass.
3) WP7 is alot faster than any iPhone. My entire family has 3GSs and iPhone 4s and they will even admit my phone is alot faster to do anything. I havent even turned my lag fixed Vibrant on this I got this HD7 also.
4) App intergeneration. WP7 really does take this to a different level.
You'd be a fool to say WP7 doesnt have its flaws and bugs, but you'd also be a fool to ignore everything GREAT it does. Android does alot of things well but is anything great? iOS does some great things, but honestly I prefer WP7 over iOS.
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1) OK
2) I dont care about zune pass
3) That is about hardware not wp7
4) So what? How many wp7 apps out there?
Sorry but as we see you have strong feelings on wp7 and want to defend it too much but even you cant write more then 4 not meaning too much advantages. Because even MS designed it to be a is imitation.
I had hope on wp7 was thinking to sell my hd2 and buy a hd7 because ios and iphone is not a phone for me (dont like them), Android is just what you said does alot of thing but not anything great. But WP7 is worse then both at least for now. Because MS just looked ios and android and copy them with removing all the good features on wm6.5 all the good features i prefer a wm6.5 phone over iphone that is nonsense. most of the users may not care about this but i care.
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3) That is about hardware not wp7
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iPhone 4 has better hardware! A4 is better than Snapdragon, and iPhone 4 has dedicated GPU - PowerVGR 535! which is faster than Adreno!
iPhone 3Gs also has dedicated PowerVGR GPU, but don't which model exactly!
So, it's not hadware! it's the OS
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iPhone 4 has better hardware! A4 is better than Snapdragon, and iPhone 4 has dedicated GPU - PowerVGR 535! which is faster than Adreno!
iPhone 3Gs also has dedicated PowerVGR GPU, but don't which model exactly!
So, it's not hadware! it's the OS
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i am not comparing iphone vs hd7 hardware. i am saying that with suitable hardware every os can be fast.
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1) OK
2) I dont care about zune pass
3) That is about hardware not wp7
4) So what? How many wp7 apps out there?
Sorry but as we see you have strong feelings on wp7 and want to defend it too much but even you cant write more then 4 not meaning too much advantages. Because even MS designed it to be a is imitation.
I had hope on wp7 was thinking to sell my hd2 and buy a hd7 because ios and iphone is not a phone for me (dont like them), Android is just what you said does alot of thing but not anything great. But WP7 is worse then both at least for now. Because MS just looked ios and android and copy them with removing all the good features on wm6.5 all the good features i prefer a wm6.5 phone over iphone that is nonsense. most of the users may not care about this but i care.
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You might not care about Zune Pass but for anyone who wanted an mp3 player / phone this is the biggest selling factor. In fact I'd say zune integration is the best thing WP7 has going for it right now.
I am not really defending it that much also. Look my profile and see the last thread I made. I clearly pointed several huge glaring flaws in WP7. In that same thread I said more than 4 good things about it also. Before calling someone out, look at their previous posts; especially when trying to call out their position on things .
Here is a link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=835095
WP7 is missing features 6.5 had but that was a matured and dying (dead now) OS, this is a completely new start. I am not over critical of it becasue i knew going in it was a first iteration OS. And for a first iteration OS it is far better than what iOS and android were. It actually does some things far better than them right now too. It has flaws, but ignoring strength and focusing only on flaws is wrong in my opinion.
I am also confused about your position on the speed of WP7. First you say its the hardware, which android and the iphone 4 have better hardware, and then you say its the OS and that backs up the statement i originally made. The OS is optimized to be faster than both iOS and android. That is a HUGE plus for WP7. It's doing more with less, don't over look that.
Again let me repeat my statement, it does have limitations but everything it does, it does the best. More features will be added with updates.
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i am not comparing iphone vs hd7 hardware. i am saying that with suitable hardware every os can be fast.
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About speed i am saying that every os can be very fast with suitable hardware. Think like this a wp7 phone with nokia n61 hardware can it be fast ofcourse no. is this wp7s fault ofcourse not so as you cant blame an os for not suitable hardware also you cant say os is good because it runs good on suitable hardware.
also i agree with you about wp7 being a new os and 6.5 is dying but why not use 6.5s good features on a new starting os from the beginning. They are the things which you did better then ios and android so ms should glorify them with using them in the new os.
this is my idea ofcourse i dont except everyone or even anyone to agree with me. wm6.5 with htc sense and cht nearly got all i need. some more social network integration with a really working pptp vpn is all i need with my current setup.
kromosto said:
About speed i am saying that every os can be very fast with suitable hardware. Think like this a wp7 phone with nokia n61 hardware can it be fast ofcourse no. is this wp7s fault ofcourse not so as you cant blame an os for not suitable hardware also you cant say os is good because it runs good on suitable hardware.
also i agree with you about wp7 being a new os and 6.5 is dying but why not use 6.5s good features on a new starting os from the beginning. They are the things which you did better then ios and android so ms should glorify them with using them in the new os.
this is my idea ofcourse i dont except everyone or even anyone to agree with me. wm6.5 with htc sense and cht nearly got all i need. some more social network integration with a really working pptp vpn is all i need with my current setup.
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Because 6.5 and 7 are built on completely different platforms. You can not just pull features from 6.5 and put them in 7 because the programming language is different.
6.5 was good for its time, but do you know the main reason why I hear why people do not want to buy WP7 phones? All the headaches they got from 6.5 devices...
WM left a bad taste in ALOT of peoples mouths and that is still showing in WP7. Yes 6.5 might of been good for some but for most it was complete and utter crap.
Will alot of these features eventually be built into WP7 if enough people want them? I think so, but they will be built and coded to meet WP7's standards.