Hello XDA-Users,
today i want to present you the first open Version of my Windows Mobile application "Mobadi". Its also my first post here.
This is a little application to discharge and monitor your internal battery.
Actual it will support only different HTC Devices and the Sony Ericsson X1i (Xperia), but Versions for non-HTC Devices are comming up soon. The downloadable Version will already run on VGA and non-VGA Devices.
In some test, Mobadi have increased the used mAh up to 370%! So the Bettery will discharge faster.
On older devices like the Trinity, the Bettery-Percentage are 5% or 10%-Steps. So the Diagram are not so detailed like on the Touch-Versions.
Please be so kind to post your ideas, criticism and comments about Mobadi. But remember, BETA!!
And if you want, please tell me witch device you own that run Mobadi.
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<-- a "Mobadi" !
actual version: 1.0.09.0519 (beta)
Download:
main: http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=186708&stc=1&d=1242742324
mirror: http://www.eisbehr.de/mobadi/Mobadi_1_9_519_AllDevices.CAB
Caution:
At the Update from 1.9.518 to 1.9.519 you must uninstall the older Version first.
Because of an wrong Name in the old Version, it will not update automatically. For the next Updates you dont have to do this.
Please
If you want to post this Application on other Websites and Forums, place a Link to this Post. Here you will get allways actual Versions and Informations.
Code:
[B]ToDo:[/B]
- export to csv / md (own filetype)
- windows desktop application for detailed information
- viewmode "latest" and options
- fix diagramm error after long time under "viewmode all"
- disable background-worker while discharge
- using camera/light for discharge
- display current values under diagram
tested Devices:
- HTC Touch Pro
- HTC Touch HD
- HTC Touch Diamond
- HTC Touch Cruise
- HTC Trinity
- HTC p3300 Artemis
- Sony Ericsson X1(i) (Xperia)
Screenshot:
Diagram-Colors:
Blue: Ampere
Red: Percentage
Green: Temperatur
Violet: Voltage
You like it?!
EUR
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Warning:
When you use Mobadi, you use it at your own risk.
The developer will take no fault.
Eisbehr
Interesting. Can you tell us how the discharge works? What is the current draw in discharge mode?
Hey,
finally it will use different ways to discharge the battery.
The actual implemented:
- Backlight, will be permanently on. The Level can be set in the Options.
- BackgroundWorker, stress the CPU with Math-Operations. (slow down the device while in Discharge-Mode)
Comming up:
- CameraLED (TouchPro)
- Camera Access (still testing, )
- Backlight behind Softkeys (maybe)
All features will actualy be tested.
More detailed Information will have some time. At the moment i use some Devices in a "Laboratory Enviroment" to get some usefull results.
Eisbehr
I;m not any kind of guru or anything, but why would you want to do that to a lithium battery? you **aren't** supposed to do that to lithium batteries. do a little bit of searching using google please.
Well...
To store a LiIon battery, you should discharge it to
about 40% and keep it room temp.
That could be feature, to discharge it untill a certain level .
(but never 0%, although I guess the manufacturer already built
in such protection or safety margin)
to complement my last post:
I do test the power drain of my devices.
That way I can calculate what kind of car adapter I need to not let
it discharge while using hsdpa and wifi simultaneous
(to share internet to the car-pc )
But most of the times I measure by observation..
Some ROMs perform better than others. This tool could provide insight.
Hello all,
yes mr.jaguar, you are right. I think you mean that a LiIon-Battery have no memory-effect. But here are some of my Ideas:
- At first, LiIon-Batterys will have no memory-effect. But older Devices may have NiHM-Batterys.
- Its nice to see, witch Application will stress the Battery or to see the drain while call somebody or browsing the internet, with wlan enablend/disableb, and many more ...
- Also, its not only for Discharge. You can use it for monitoring in normal use, and also, can monitoring the Battey-Charging.
- I use it, to drain the last 2-10% befor i will charge my Device. Not needed for LiIon, i know ... but ... in german, we call it a "tick".
to LiIon:
- The LiIon lifetime is round 500 load and discharge cycles. Also the time of use will reduce the lifetime. To see how fast your battery will lost his capacity or to compare with other Battery/Devices you can use this tool.
- LiIon Batterys will have "fixed" Voltages. To check this, you can use it too.
As you see, there are different ways to use it, may be there are many more ways. Try it at your own...
Greets,
Eisbehr
@mr. mr.jaguar:
Today i have do some test with my HTC Trinity. In normal/idle mode the device use 40 till 70 mAh. In discharge-mode with only one BackgroundWorker it will use 145 till 151 mAh. So, it will increase between 200% up to 370% of the normal usage.
On an Touch Cruise in normal Mode it will be 177mAh, in dicharge 257 mAh. So an increase about round 150% of the normal Useage.
So, the Betterymust be dischargeing faster.
More detailed tests will come ...
Now i will Upload the Version for Non VGA divices from HTC.
Please wait wihle the Version 1.9.519 will be uploaded.
Tested on Trinity, Touch Cruise, p3300 and Touch Pro.
THANKs
Nice App.. Thanks for Sharing!!
Works great on my HD
While I know they say its not good to fully discharge these batteries, I have noticed some improvement after flashing a new ROM. It seems like the battery meter gets more accurate after letting the battery get down to 1-4% then fully charging it before using it again.
So this app would help drain it faster.
While this can be useful to discharge battery completely just for
calibration of battery monitoring unit, it serves no purpose to
"deep-cycle" battery everytime, since it wears out on battery
more than charging it when it's still partially charged (it's like
expanding a spring, it wears out less when you expand it more
frequently, but to lesser extend, than when you force it to expand
to it's limits but less frequently)... I've proved this to myself with
my previous phone (SE P900, with excellent battery, Li-Pol 1260mAh
and 16h of talk time), when I've killed first battery by NiMH "care"
method (discharging completely until phone won't boot + fully
charging) in about one year, while next one used in normal way (frequent
charging when not completely drained) served me for about 2.5 year...
Why do the most people only see a complete/deep discharge?
You can also monitoring the time to drain 10%, or the loading curve?!
No one must discharge till the device is shutting down ...
But if somone need, i can implement a automatically break.
Maybe better idea would be not to drain battery by program,
but to monitor energy consuption and foreground applications,
and then prepare graph of most power-hungry apps?
By comparing power consuption of, for example, Opera, users
can check if they device isn't more hungry than it should be...
not working at my hermes ............ anyone ???
I will try to get a Hermes / TyTn and check this.
But normally i must work. Its still the same WM as on the Trinity.
Witch error you will get?
btw, you can check electromagnetic radiation and see differences between 2G and 3G like this.. as a proof to battery usage differences
You stated one could use this application to also monitor battery usage over normal use by disabling the backlight override and background worker, I am wondering if this does this fully eliminate the negative battery drain increased by this application?
I am currently running a battery drain trail that examines the current raphael radios effect directly on battery life through normal usage and I have been on the lookout for a battery monitor application that does not effect normal usage of the phone nor cause negative effects on battery life.
All of the currently available free applications I have found and tested are either inconsistent in their monitoring of battery life or greatly influence the battery life themselves causing inconsistent drain. While I see the usage of this application and commend you for your work thus far, as a suggestion for the future you may wish to look into creating simply a monitor. One that either every given time interval, kicks the phone out of sleep for a second, logs the battery level and time and goes back to sleep. Or simply logs the battery level and time every instance where the phone is taken out of standby / sleep. Either one would serve the community greatly as a battery application that accurately logs the drain without horribly influencing the battery life. One that any user could run without any major negative effects.
Eisbehr said:
I will try to get a Hermes / TyTn and check this.
But normally i must work. Its still the same WM as on the Trinity.
Witch error you will get?
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device wrote :
Can't find an Entry Point
'HTCUtilSetOnBatteryBrightnessLevel' in
a PInvoke DLL 'HTCUtil.dll'
pls .......... tQ
I thought about all sorts of things to suggest, like S2U2, IM+, etc, to drain ones battery, but I see this project does have some merit. I do have one suggestion for another battery draining method; turn on GPS! Or maybe you don't want the battery to drain that fast ;-)
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Hello!
I took time to search on this forum (and elsewhere as well), up to 2005 (yes, I did it!), but no part of answer still.
Here is my problem: I have this XDA IIi for a long time, and I flashed it a couple of weeks ago (WM2003SE, french rom 1.11.02 FRE from QTek, Radio 1.04, ExtROM 1.11.116 FRE), and everything worked correctly for a while. I installed TomTom v6.03, then Igo 2008 (much better), SPB Time and SPB PocketPlus.
Since about a week, my battery (quite old, it's true. 1300 mAh) is draining very fast. Less than a day, with no phone call, no screen, nothing... I charged it for all night, 5 hours later I find it empty!
I also have to say that I can't use my phone with less than 20% of battery, or it stops, but since the beginning (it's a second hand phone). No way to drain the battery to 0%...
Moreover, I sometimes noticed the indication on the screen that it is busy (sorry, I don't know the word in english!) since last week. It comes on the screen for a second or two, then disappear for a second or two, and so on. I also noticed a change in memory occupation, for about 0,2 ko (thanks to SPB Pocket plus today plugin). But nothing is running in Parameters/Memory. Totally empty.
I say "sometimes", because when it appears, I know my battery is draining fast, so I do a soft reset, and it doesn't reappear everytime. Sometime it helps, sometimes not: it cames back
It is for me a professional tool, as well as my only cellphone, so I desesperatly need it functional!
Can anybody help me? Please....
Hi again...
Fully charged.
Less than 2 hours later, 17% lost...
No wifi, no bluetooth, no program launched, no phone call, no screen turned on, nothing, nothing, nothing...
Anybody?
basically u need a new battery, they can go any time, try and get original, the higher powered ones can be unreliable
Coucou!
I hoped it can be solved in another way... Are you really sure? One day it works well (or quite well, at least), and the next day, it's done?
By the way, is it worth in investing in a new battery with such a PDA, or should I change it for a newer one???
Anybody can help me making my choice?
I bought a new Heavy duty battery (3600ah) and it works fine but a lot of the current drain could be due to settings i.e. do you have the cpu on standard or Turbo mode obviously the turbo is a heavier drain, turn down the time the screen stays on etc etc although I am fortunate in that its usually sat in either a cradle indoor's or in the Car unless I am walking about which is rare as I am disabled longest it went without charging was about 15 hours recently when I stayed with friends in Wales it dropped to about 57% but I have since bought a mains charger for such situations
Coucou!
In facts, nothing absolutly changed during this time. Since a long time, it's been quite usual... 2-3 days before battery drains completely, with phone calls and so on...
But, due to troubles with application, 2 weeks ago, I flashed it again (ROM specified in my signature), and reinstalled all my applications...
Some days after (I didn't noticed first), my battery started draining very fast. So, one day it's OK, the next day, everything goes wrong.
Nowadays, it losses about 8 to 10% per hour. No phone call. Screen turned off most of the time, minimum light mode. No wifi. No bluetooth. And as my PDA completly stops when battery reaches 20% or so... No way to drain it completly. So it lasts 8 to 10 hours max. A night... When fully charge before going to sleep, at dawn it's over. Off and refuses to turn on: less than 20% battery.
And yes, it's "CPU turbo mode ON", but since the beginning........
Should I change my PDA?????
Should you change your PDA?
well it depends:
1. if you have a budget. in case you do, sell you're stuff and get a newer one. There are lots of new PDAs around that is worth the money with a newer model that run wm6.
2. If you don't have the budget or just don't feel like having a new PDA. I guess you just need s new battery. stick to the original. mM best bet is you'll get the same standby time when you already replaced it with a new one. I had an experience that my battery reports I'm low then after a whole night it went up to 77% which is weird because I did not charged it. I'm too lazy to get up so I had it under my pillow. I had it checked and the issue was the battery.
3. If you feel that the battery isn't the issue. Try flashing it back to the original. or try flashing it with another build. then observe if it still drains as fast as before.
IMHO the XDA IIi is still one of the fastest PDA's around, be a long time before I change mine out (barring accidents)
The XDA2 still holds its head high with the latest models on performance, in fact many of the latest ones appear sluggish to use in comparison I think due to the persistent memory. I bought a 3600 Ma battery from ebay and even with a reasonable number of phone calls (2 hours a day) and a lot of daily use as a PDA it does 2-3 days between charges if I don't plug it in. However sometimes the power monitoring looses it and needs correcting by taking the battery out as if you were swapping batteries putting it back and then doing a soft reset and when booted up put on charge for 12 hours. It may be your Rom (mine is the standard last O2 one but patched with the radio 1.4) but likely cause is the battery. Basically batteries start to degenerate after 1000 charges, sometimes a bit earlier. If you do get one of these batteries give it a good long charge before you start to use it to "condition it"
Coucou! I read attentively what all of you have written, but I was away due to sick [censored] sickness...
To MrLeche:
No, I don't have much money to change my PDA, as my main complaint about it is its really poor camera. Otherwise, it is as fast as I need, including for Igo2008... And I don't really need WM6, objectively!
And may be your pillow is an excellent free/green phone charger!!! :lol:
I'll try to flash it and test...
To Robsno:
After I will have tested with another ROM and see if the battery still drains quickly, I'll certainly buy another battery, but not a 3.600, as I need my PDA to stay flat to plug in my car craddle!!!
And why does it allways stop as there's 20% battery left ??????
Fair enough I had to modify my take and talk car cradle to take the 3600ma one so I know what you mean, there is a standard sized 1700ma battery available from a seller in the states, i used that before the 3600ma and they do give that bit extra as a second option. Best of luck
Hi!
Thanks for your answer, Robsno... I'll take a look at it quite soon, I think
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Fully charged at 17h, Only 15% for now and it stopped...
As usual...
WHY CAN'T IT DRAIN ITS BATTERY TO THE REAL END ?
(Sorry, but I'm really fed up with it, and I won't have time to flash it til sunday... )
I have a 3600 on mine I also have a Brodrik mount the XDA still slide's in and "Just" fits the leather case, you have to remember your not running a phone your running a PDA / COMPUTER so if the screen is on it will run down the battery quick if you only have one of the small batterys your talking minutes, it also has to shut down to maintain a small ammount to revive the computer i.e. the 15% the main way to save power is keep the screen off except when connected to external power of course and dont play silly games / multimedia files, I presume your mount does have a external power pick up?
Coucou !
When I say "it stops", it stops completly ! No way to turn it on until... long minutes... And even then, it stops again after just few seconds.
And there's still about 20% shown!!!!
Someone can explain this to my low-battery brain?!!
I had the same problem with my Qtek 2020i. This is not a battery issue. My PPC also used to drain out its battery in one night (no calls, no programs running, screen switched off, sleeping near its user's bed). I had many programs installed on it and I did not want to lose them, so I tried many ways to make the device work.
I will not describe all my worthless attempts. At last I made a hard reset and reinstalled my programs. Since this time my PPC works as it should be. The problem happened 1,5 years ago. Since this time I did not change my battery. This battery was bought together with the device and keeps working for about 3 years. It may sound a miracle, but it is real.
My advice in this situation is hard reset and reinstallation of all programs. One may try to make backups after installing any program to find the one that causes this bug. As for me, I don't know the reason and don't care. The thing that the problem is solved and does not reappear is enough for me.
i have Qtek 2020i and i have the same problem.
i have 2 batterys (original + brand new one) - same probmems.
in sd/mmc slot card i have SD card Sandisk ultraII 2 GB (class4).
if i remove de card from slot my battery drain in "normal" mode:
08:00 full charged
22:30 50% (with total calls 08:21)
so
in these case i use my 2GB card only in my car for igo8
I also had this problem, and after some testing I tried a Hard Reset, which fixed the problem for me too, yes I had to reinstall a load of stuff, but since then I have had no problems with battery life, it's still the original battery.
I now own a Kaiser, a Touch Diamond and a Touch HD ( work in progress, repair), and still my XDAIIi is faster and in some ways better than those, ( I cannot use any of the others as an Oscilloscope/Frequency analyser ).
Evening folks
I've finally pimped up my Kaiser just how I like it and I need to know if the today pluggins etc I'm using are sucking the life out of my battery.
The screen shot below shows that when I'm running ActiveSync (direct push), PocketCM & SMS/MMS the memory usage is showing as 61%. Is this high?? I've no idea.
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Ive included 2 screen shots from Task Mananger to show the usage.
And finally the battery details
I'm running:
S2U2 (animated gif)
PocketCM
Ultimate Launch
SPB Weather
HTC Home
Calendar+
Batti 2.2 (NEW!)
Always running are
ActiveSync (direct push)
SMS
PocketCM
Can anyone let me know if this is normal or if running all of this is going to mean I need to buy a spare battery! I'm clueless.
Cheers
Re: your question of battery usage:
Well - you do not indicate what your usage currently is - with normal usage what is your battery percent available at the end of YOUR day?
What ROM and RADIO are you running?
Have you made any changes recently that made a change in your battery usage?
Are you unhappy with your current battery usage?
I am sure that you know this - but MEMORY usage and battery usage/drain have nothing to do with each other.
Bill
Drain is about 7 hours which is a lot less than before I changed things.
ROM - duttys WM6.1 WWE
Radio - 1.64.08.21
The changes I made were to go from box standard to changing everything....
I had no idea that memory usage had no impact on battery drain? - I just assumed that the more stuff I was running the more drain on the battery.... ? The more stuff I run, the higher the memory usage - that was my thinking....
My question really is are the battery details 'normal' and are the task manager screen shots showing something that is going to zap the battery unless I get rid of it?
I have no idea.......
brandall said:
Drain is about 7 hours which is a lot less than before I changed things...snip..
I have no idea.......
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OK - first of all there are a lot more people here a lot more qualified to talk about this but here are my thoughts since no one else is chiming in...
1. you can search for a program that shows your actual battery usage - it will show you in milliwatts (I think) so you can see what programs are having an effect on your usage
2. but - there are some easy things that you can do -
a. download Kaiser Tweak and turn off the internet when you are not using it - you can tell the internet that it should disconnect one miinute after you stop using it and to connect only when you need it.
b. you can turn off the GPS so that it is not running all the time - it will definitely eat your battery.
c. make sure that you have your screen set to as dim as you can stand it/as is convenient and that it turns off regularly - I personally manually turn mine off when I am putting it back on my belt.
d. while having a lot of programs on your phone does not eat battery having a number of programs running might - so I would stop programs that you do not need to be running when you are done using them (close out of the programs before you put it back on your belt)
3. my experience on this phone tells me that it take 24-48 hours on a new ROM before your battery usage information is reasonably accurate - till then it has no idea what is going on and can be much better than it really is or much worse than reality.
I hope that this helps you some,
Bill
I'm not sure about which apps you are using that may be causing battery drain....but what helped my battery life drastically was finding a CommManager that allows you to turn off 3g. It may prove to be even more beneficial for you since you are using direct push....you won't believe the difference it makes.
Search for "3g comm manager" if you're interested. There are several of them out there. I'm using one from Schap's, but I know Dutty and a few others have created some good ones too.
......I've also tried doing step 2a in the post above, but actually found that I used far less battery just keeping my connection connected on Edge than when I had it disconnecting every minute on 3g (my email was checking every 15 minutes....and it seemed that going through the connection process draws quite a bit of power in itself....so for direct push, it may be counter-productive).
Thanks for your replies - I have advanced config so I'll have a play with that. I think the Battery Status pluggin has the usage, so I'll install that.
I can disable 3g in the comm manager, but that then seems to stop HSDPA kicking in when I use the internet.
However, going into comm manager before opening the internet is hardly going to take up years of my life......
Could be a nice tweak to add in the future though - 3g off until internet explorer starts.....
Cheers
Hello,
im thinking on buying the Note =]
i wanted to ask "heavy","excessive" users how is the phone battery drain ?>
*how long your phone lasts without charge (excessive,heavy use)?
*how long your phone lasts without charge (normal use)?
Im only use any of my smartphones with excessive,heavy use.
I have only 2 full battery circles and im using stock root rom/kernel.
All my phones was with very good custom kernels and lower voltages cause i wanted to stay alive during the day (8-23:00).
Now,my battery keep up the day but more easy than my previous phones (you can see which in my sign).
So, even my battery is new with few full circles, even im not using custom kernel for uc or uv, its better than my previous smartphones.
For a 5.3" display the battery life is exceeding expectations.. Based on my usage it has more battery life than the Galaxy S2 altho movie time is still the same at 8:30hrs to 9:00
I think it's very hard to define excessive vs normal use. Also the usage patterns of different people varies greatly. mostly because some use wifi on 100% of the time, others just turn it on here and there to check emails. Same for background sync and autosync which are battery drainers . So it's really hard to compare...
I keep my Wifi constantly on, background sync on, autosync is off but I have a task in Tasker to autosync every three hours manually. I have some push emails in K9 and twitter, gtalk and tapatalk syncing.
So on a day of super heavy usage the phone will last about 16-17 hours (ofcourse that includes about 7 hours of sleep time). With normal to moderate use I can make about 24-27 hours.
Hi people! I'm noob here! (wanted to write new but couldn't resist!)
I recently bought the Note and been having a few hard times with a couple of things.
One of the specifics concern battery life. Having been showered in the awesomeness of a 2,5 ma battery i thought the battery would be invulnerable but i was wrong.
The first 4 days the battery lasted me quite fine having to charge the phone once every two days. Heavy consumption was done for brief periods of 1-1:30 hours where i would try to shape my phone in the image that i wanted.
By the end of the fourth day i had a respectable amount of apps inside but not too many to explain the fact that my battery life now has decreased to 1 day.
I kinda panicked when i noticed the difference and went ahead to install Juice defender and advanced task cleaner apps. What's weird is the fact that before i did i would charge the phone before going to bed at night and then pull the plug when it would be full. By the morning the phone had lost about 25% while inert!
Noticing that i would go to the battery use feature in settings and see that the radio(!) which i hadn't been using was eating away my battery's life along with the screen which was inactive as a consequence of the phone in locked mode and a few other apps which filled the rest of the loss.
I tried to kill apps and i use Juice defender pro in custom advanced mode effectively rendering the phone dead after locking. It still consumes the same percentage of battery although now it blames the radio less and the live wallpaper more.
Am i to assume that my battery has reached it's "puberty" and that's "normal" from now on or is there a problem i just can't diagnose due to lack of experience?
This phone is my first android device. I do not know my way around it although i am learning more and more in a rapid learning curve.
Please note anything you might think has escaped my attention.
Thank you.
Android 4.9 Marshmallow said:
Hi people! I'm noob here! (wanted to write new but couldn't resist!)
I recently bought the Note and been having a few hard times with a couple of things.
One of the specifics concern battery life. Having been showered in the awesomeness of a 2,5 ma battery i thought the battery would be invulnerable but i was wrong.
The first 4 days the battery lasted me quite fine having to charge the phone once every two days. Heavy consumption was done for brief periods of 1-1:30 hours where i would try to shape my phone in the image that i wanted.
By the end of the fourth day i had a respectable amount of apps inside but not too many to explain the fact that my battery life now has decreased to 1 day.
I kinda panicked when i noticed the difference and went ahead to install Juice defender and advanced task cleaner apps. What's weird is the fact that before i did i would charge the phone before going to bed at night and then pull the plug when it would be full. By the morning the phone had lost about 25% while inert!
Noticing that i would go to the battery use feature in settings and see that the radio(!) which i hadn't been using was eating away my battery's life along with the screen which was inactive as a consequence of the phone in locked mode and a few other apps which filled the rest of the loss.
I tried to kill apps and i use Juice defender pro in custom advanced mode effectively rendering the phone dead after locking. It still consumes the same percentage of battery although now it blames the radio less and the live wallpaper more.
Am i to assume that my battery has reached it's "puberty" and that's "normal" from now on or is there a problem i just can't diagnose due to lack of experience?
This phone is my first android device. I do not know my way around it although i am learning more and more in a rapid learning curve.
Please note anything you might think has escaped my attention.
Thank you.
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Your question is a little OT but i'll try to answer real quick.
25% loss of battery sounds about right if you have your Auto Sync ON.
Disable it and you'll go down to about 10% a night. Am i right or am i totally off here ?
mfractal said:
Your question is a little OT but i'll try to answer real quick.
25% loss of battery sounds about right if you have your Auto Sync ON.
Disable it and you'll go down to about 10% a night. Am i right or am i totally off here ?
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I'll try it and see tonight. Thanks mfractal. Having been an IPhone 3G owner i gotta say, it's still kinda disheartening to see that 10% battery loss overnight is considered "normal". Will work my way around purchasing a second backup battery for emergencies.
Thanks again.
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I'll try it and see tonight. Thanks mfractal. Having been an IPhone 3G owner i gotta say, it's still kinda disheartening to see that 10% battery loss overnight is considered "normal". Will work my way around purchasing a second backup battery for emergencies.
Thanks again.
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i also come from an iphone, and yeah, you have to make some adjustments.
you can take that drain to 1-2% if you disable Background Sync.
this was my batteries first full cycle. but you should get a general idea of how it performed.
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running AntoniomistrettA ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1372619 )
this was what i would consider 'heavy' use, atleast by my standards. Edge only, Auto sync on, brightness at 75%, fairly frequent use.
Draining twice as fast after an update on apps this morning!
Hmmm, I have been using the Note for about 2 weeks now. With Juice Defender installed (with aggressive settings), I get by OK with the battery for a full day.
Well, that was until this morning when I ran an update of a few apps, and now I barely got to noon when the battery went completely drained. Same settings on Juice Defender.
Any clues on how to deal with this? I am thinking of reverting all the updates to double check.
guys, the steps to analyze battery drain are quite standard.
Download BetterBatteryStats (there's full version for free for XDA users, search the forum)
Download CPU Spy
Charge to 100%, reset statistics in CPU Spy and let the battery drain to 10-20%.
Then Analyze wakelocks in BetterBatteryStats and you will see which programs keep your phone awake.
If you want to make sure the phone is entering sleep mode and staying there, reset cpu spy stats before going to sleep and check in the morning. more than 90% of the time the phone should be in deep sleep. If not - again, betterbatterystats's wakelocks will show you what's keeping the phone awake.
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i also come from an iphone, and yeah, you have to make some adjustments.
you can take that drain to 1-2% if you disable Background Sync.
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That's EXACTLY what happened! I am stunned! I left the phone last night at 97% and found it this morning at 95%!!! When i saw it i was dumbfounded!
Thank you very much mfractal!
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That's EXACTLY what happened! I am stunned! I left the phone last night at 97% and found it this morning at 95%!!! When i saw it i was dumbfounded!
Thank you very much mfractal!
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sure NP.
problem is that background sync is required by quite a lot of programs to function correctly. Hell, market won't even open with it disabled.
My battery life is pretty good atm considering its still a new toy and gets a heavy workout.
The battery life will improve over time as my usage will drop but with the screen it pretty much can replace my pc for any basic web stuff outside off the heavy duty work only a high spec PC is good for.
Disabling background sync defeats the purpose of having a smart phone, no?
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sure NP.
problem is that background sync is required by quite a lot of programs to function correctly. Hell, market won't even open with it disabled.
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I do like my phone and the screen real estate, and understand that, it can be major battery hog. But I would really like it to be super efficient when the screen is off.
I was looking at my battery drain graphs, (Settings>About Phone>battery usage) and noticed that my phone is active almost all through the night, (even when the screen is off).
So i loose 25-30 overnight, on IDLE.
Is this normal?
I'm using Exchange instead of the Gmail app for my mail. Does that use more battery?
Regards
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I do like my phone and the screen real estate, and understand that, it can be major battery hog. But I would really like it to be super efficient when the screen is off.
I was looking at my battery drain graphs, (Settings>About Phone>battery usage) and noticed that my phone is active almost all through the night, (even when the screen is off).
So i loose 25-30 overnight, on IDLE.
Is this normal?
I'm using Exchange instead of the Gmail app for my mail. Does that use more battery?
Regards
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Of course gmail use more battery like every app running in background and syncing.
But your battery drain overnight is really so much.
The normal is 1% per hour without any app syncing in background and about 2% or 3% with background syncing apps.So you must check your apps.Something draining your battery.
Overall,i don't believe that note battery isn't good.i think Samsung haven't done so good work in filmwares and apps.
I have removed the most of Samsung apps and my battery is great.
Maybe a update from Samsung solved battery issue.In nexus previous days released a filmware update which change amazing the battery life.users mention that they loose 2% overnight.And before this update nexus battery sucks!
So, we must pray for something similar in our note from Samsung...
Sent from the best smartphone, Galaxy Note...
Do you have auto sync on? If so please turn it off and watch the drain overnight drop to about 10%
If not then we got a problem
I got my Note two weeks ago and am since struggling with my battery usage as well.
It's hard to reproduce, but Android OS is the reason for excessive battery usage when the phone is idle.
Today I found this quite interesting. Please have a look at this screenshot:
Since a few days ago I'm using Llama to control some settings on my phone, but the drainage was present before I installed Llama.
When you look at the first gap in WiFi usage you can see the phone disconnecting from my WiFi router at home (TP-Link TL-WR1043ND) when Llama disabled my WiFi.
About 20 minutes later, when I arrived at the office, Llama reactivates WiFi and my phone connects to our WiFi access point at the office (TP-Link TL-WA801ND).
At this point Android OS usage goes up considerably and it won't stop, even if I disable the phone's WiFi.
Actually at the second, larger gap in WiFi usage I disabled the WiFi connection manually which caused my phone to stay awake until I activate WiFi again.
Edit: Using Titanium Backup I have frozen Wifi-Sharing and the Wifi Manager.
Apart from that, Wifi usage was never an issue on my old Milestone, where I had Wifi enabled permanently and the battery lasted for 4-5 days.
I'd be glad to provide more information if that could help figure out the cause of AOS's battery usage.
My phone is currently running:
PDA: N7000XXKK9
PHONE: N7000XXKK5
CSC: N7000OXAKK9
I installed FM-Kernel 1.4, hoping it would fix this issue. It did for a day or so...
Apart from the kernel it's the newest 2.3.6 stock ROM I received via FOTA though.
I easily get a good day out of mine with quite a bit of use. If use mine lightly I can get 2 days out of mine. If you are in need of urgent 3G switch 3G off to GSM to conserve battery life.
desiregeek said:
I easily get a good day out of mine with quite a bit of use. If use mine lightly I can get 2 days out of mine. If you are in need of urgent 3G switch 3G off to GSM to conserve battery life.
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Sorry, I forgot to include it in my post.
Since I got the phone I have it set to 2G only, because I used up my monthly quota and am getting throttled to GPRS speeds anyway. So the 3G connection isn't the issue either.
Apart from that this happens in flight mode as well.
Hello,
i have a bad problem with my LG starting from day one when i bought it. I tried many things now, to no avail.
The problem is that sometimes my battery falls from high percent value to 0 just in one second. then the mobile goes out and i have to charge it, even it was nearly full some minutes ago.
Another problem is a warm mobile in standby mode when i have mobile inet active, and battery wont last longer than 4 hours. With WIFI it doesnt get warm but starts to decerase RAM until the mobile is unusable (timeouts, freezes, ect)
So there are 3 problems, i think related together somehow:
1. sudden Akku drainage, falling from high percent value to zero
2. fast akku drainage with mobile inet on, doesnt fall from #to zero, but get used up very fast
3. Unusable mobile due to RAM issues when WIFI activated.
Here are following some pics and a Log attached from Android Stats. Here you can see starting at 9.34 the bettery recalculations, in very short timeframes.
Can someone see any issues from the log what could be the problem?
The situation was like this: I recharged yesterday evening, and turned mobile inet on. Then i went to sleep. In the morning i saw that i had no connection to google servers (icons white instead on green) but i saw the battery was only drained 2% over night so i thought not bad.
I reactivated internet (mobile) in hope to get conn to google servers. Well, i got it but in same time the battery got drained from 98% to just 40% in one second. Since then the mobile stays warm. I have auto sync deactivated.
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I forgot:
Android 2.3.4 original, rooted but nothing changed on firmware/rom/baseband/anything
So i inserted screens now.
you have some kind of background application that doesnt let your phone enter deep sleep mode to lower cpu frequency and conserve battery (phone is awake when screen is not on, you can see the activity in the pictures). you should check what app is using most of the CPU time, it might not be code optimized and might be sucking too much of the battery.
also, it might help resetting the battery stats, search a bit and find some info on that (short version, charge it to 100%, let it for another hour plugged in, go in CM, delete battery stats, restart).
worst case scenario, your battery is busted and a replacement might be needed. hope that helps.
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just a hint : most battery consumption can be checked in the battery stats, on the activity graph : awake vs screen on - if awake and screen on are not synced in the activity graph (should have same lines) then you have a problem. meaning when your phone has its screen off it should go into deep sleep mode (lower cpu frequency) but if you the phone is awake while screen is off, you have an application installed that won't let your phone sleep and just keeps using the cpu and sucking the battery.
this is mostly applied to standby battery life, if you are playing a game/watching a movie, doesn't really matter screen is on, cpu/gpu is sucking the battery.
my worst battery life while i had the O2X was about 16h, but that's with normal phone use (no games - you can have a psp for that, no music - you can have an ipod for that), mostly emails, browsing, IMs, calls/texts all day long also best battery life was 2d 10h (mostly on standby)
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Thanks for also answering my post on the other topic.
It may be that theres an app that keep our phone from sleep, but even with this app, when i dont turn on wifi or mobile internet, the mobile runs 6 days straight. This is no joke, offline it could hold 6 days, i have a screen of where it looses 8% in 28 hours. And as you can see on my screen, it happens from one second to the other.
I already changed the phone the third time now, even with very few installed apps, this remains. I had it first time on day one when bought th mobile. Since then in all 3 mobiles maybe 15 times.
Anyway, it bothered me, but not as much as that the phone went nearly unusable with internet active. Always at 50 mb ram. So it was basically an offline only phone. In my 2 tests, both 5 days without internet, the mobile neither went slow, nor went off, nor lost battry, nor anything. Very fast LG OS. Until internet...
Anyway, now i installed Chuck Norris CM /MIUI ROM, lets see what happens. Until now its so smooth and soft, it feels like a complete other mobile. Also with wifi active... but i cannot say anything until tomorrow.
I tested already a lot of System Analyzer apps but theres really not much to see. Nothing seem to use much battery in whole. At least nothing that explains a loss of 70% in 5 seconds.
I posted a log here, thats the best thing to see i guess, but i cannot really read it well :-(
Anyway, your help is appreciated
Click here to see log
Saenchai said:
Thanks for also answering my post on the other topic.
It may be that theres an app that keep our phone from sleep, but even with this app, when i dont turn on wifi or mobile internet, the mobile runs 6 days straight. This is no joke, offline it could hold 6 days, i have a screen of where it looses 8% in 28 hours. And as you can see on my screen, it happens from one second to the other.
I already changed the phone the third time now, even with very few installed apps, this remains. I had it first time on day one when bought th mobile. Since then in all 3 mobiles maybe 15 times.
Anyway, it bothered me, but not as much as that the phone went nearly unusable with internet active. Always at 50 mb ram. So it was basically an offline only phone. In my 2 tests, both 5 days without internet, the mobile neither went slow, nor went off, nor lost battry, nor anything. Very fast LG OS. Until internet...
Anyway, now i installed Chuck Norris CM /MIUI ROM, lets see what happens. Until now its so smooth and soft, it feels like a complete other mobile. Also with wifi active... but i cannot say anything until tomorrow.
I tested already a lot of System Analyzer apps but theres really not much to see. Nothing seem to use much battery in whole. At least nothing that explains a loss of 70% in 5 seconds.
I posted a log here, thats the best thing to see i guess, but i cannot really read it well :-(
Anyway, your help is appreciated
I think the problem is caused by the battery stat file. Avoiding the techinical causes you should only charge the phone untill 100% and using battery calibration (you can donwload it for free from market) calibrate the battery! Hope to be helpful ^_*
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Hello !
I just bought my P880 two days ago and everything is great except one thing: battery drain. It is not occouring in background when phone is in Deep sleep, it doesn't lose charge while it's sleeping, but when I just unlock it/start using it, it just starts draining.
I have rooted it, and unrooted using SuperSU. The thing is I haven't experienced that kind of drain yesterday, it was working fine except drain caused by bad signal (badly inserted SIM).
Usage by Android System is at 50% over 5 hours, Screen is at 9%. Awake graphs are the same as Screen on graphs- no wakelocks.
I have these apps installed:
Prey Anti Theft
Skype (not running)
Adobe Reader
SoundHound
Disco Light
QR Droid
Sygic (not running)
X-plore
SwiftKey 3 keyboard
WiFi, GPS, Data, everything turned off except mobile signal
Running Internation version with Android 4.0.3, Kernel 2.6.39.4-00001-g0f9182c
Mobile network type is EDGE:2 with mobile signal -70dBm
I'm first time android user and this is my first problem so I tried to include as much info as possible.
Thanks in advance
I see 2 mayor issues, first is the android deft app, it may be running and trying to sync but bcz the data is off it will try to connect foreva.
Also, edge is (in other words) ROAMING and this forces the antenna to use more power to get signal from another provider, it get worst if you have a phone with sim card.
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Gildegan said:
I see 2 mayor issues, first is the android deft app, it may be running and trying to sync but bcz the data is off it will try to connect foreva.
Also, edge is (in other words) ROAMING and this forces the antenna to use more power to get signal from another provider, it get worst if you have a phone with sim card.
Sent from my LG-P880 using Tapatalk 2
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Thanks for pointing that out, but I have disabled every sync and I have set phone to 2G mode only, the reason is that UMTS signal was low and was draining battery even more.
I am only losing sharge when just doing random things on phone, even if that means only adding/removing widgets/apps on main screen with WiFi off.
Then you must try the Deodexed version of v10f, removing the bloatware with the script in the same thread.
The issue may be some lg apps that are running in the background so doing this will have 6 hours in standby time with 100% still, like me (if I turn all radios off ).
I have just woken up, while sleeping (9h) phone was awake for about 50%, no wakelocks but there were 30 alarms from Android/Google maps ans 29 alarms from com.google.android.gsf
Hope this helps.
I may try custom ROMs if nothing else works.
While typing this message I have lost 7%.
Similar state here as the OP. Got the phone two days ago.
All is good, it rooted OK, Directory Bind works fine, phone runs like hell (about 10 times faster than my old Galaxy S) BUT it drains battery like a genuine power guzzler.
Ok I get that according to the performance you get, it comes with an accordingly high power draw, so I don't ***** about it, I just want to know if this is normal. I mean I played 2 hours and 15 minutes of Sprinkle and the battery died, starting from a full charge. Screen was set at 50%.
GPS is off, Bluetooth is off, no 3G mobile network and screen is at 50% brightness as I said. There's an NFC icon on the notification bar next to the battery icon, which I am not sure if it should be there.
Here are a couple of shots from the battery section of the phone and from Battery monitor widget if these help.
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Please note that as the OP said, the phone consumes nearly nothing when idling. Firmware is 10f.
PS I am not trying to hijack the OP's thread. I just noticed the same behavior and I'd like some help on the same matter, as well as to contribute in whatever way I can. If the OP is offended somehow, I will gladly start a new thread.
@psolord No, not offended at all. I'm glad you posted actually.
My phone has encountered 20 more Alarms, wake ups since I left it standing:
com.google.android.apps.maps Wakeups: 50
com.google.android.gsf Wakeups: 45
You can see pictures below, the drop on the second picture happened when I was writing me previous post from P880.
- I am also rooted again (after factory restore)
- I have reenabled 3G networks but the signal is only at about 50%.
Any additional info please ?
Ok buddy, so we can keep discussing it here together.
For the matter at hand, I see the same behavior, when I unlock the screen, it's like I have opened a whole in the battery.
It dropped from 85% to 65% just from downloading a new map (500MB, 20min download on a slow wifi) from Sygic downloader. I mean this can't be right, right?
I also checked cpu spy and it reports the system 75% at deep idle, 15% at 51Mhz and the rest are 0% to 1% up to 1500Mhz. So if the cpu has so little operation, what on earth is draining the battery?
I wonder if we could be looking at a bad battery batch.
Is there an app that reports exactly what activity consumes power and how much?
Indeed, the hole in the battery.
I even restored to factory from recovery mode since I screwed up the root, so it was just stock, but guess what, nothing has changed :crying:
I really hope this can get fixed, else I'll get a replacement.
I hope someone from this forum with more experience can help :/
I think I am onto something.
Can you please check how is the phone doing if you disable everything under location and services?
psolord said:
I think I am onto something.
Can you please check how is the phone doing if you disable everything under location and services?
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I am going to try this, I am also talking to LG Support right now. WIll let you know when I get more information.
I disabled everything, and I didn't see pretty much any improvement. LG Support suggested me to return the phone.
Pretty much draining the battery atm so I can charge it back to 100% and use something like Battery Calibration. Maybe it can change something.
Yeah indeed I was onto nothing. Nothing changed for me either.
Playing 30mins of a 720P resulted my battery dropping from 62% to 50%. I also used the gps for the first time with Sygic (Jesus even the GPS is lightning fast) and the battery went from 50% to 30% for a 20 minute ride. It seems that my phone cannot give me more than 2 hours of use. That's just silly.
BTW do you or anybody, know of an app that can show battery usage per app?
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Yeah indeed I was onto nothing. Nothing changed for me either.
Playing 30mins of a 720P resulted my battery dropping from 62% to 50%. I also used the gps for the first time with Sygic (Jesus even the GPS is lightning fast) and the battery went from 50% to 30% for a 20 minute ride. It seems that my phone cannot give me more than 2 hours of use. That's just silly.
BTW do you or anybody, know of an app that can show battery usage per app?
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Stock application ?
Also you can use Better Battery Stats to see if there are any wakelocks or anything is waking up the phone etc.
What is happening right now is rather strange, I disabled screen turning off (trying to drain battery to 1%/2%) looking at stock battery app, it seems to be stuck at 21% and it's not changing.
The stock application does not do so much analysis, but the batterystats you used above seems more like it.
I am getting panicked and I miss some stuff haha. Ok lets cool.
It makes me sad that we don't get any input from the community. Something like "yeah this is normal, live with it" or "your phone is faulty, take it back to the shop for a replacement" or something.
Agreed, ANY, ANY kind of input would be appreciated, but I guess we are getting none.
I am going to fully charge it today, do some stuff and report back tommorow. Also anyone, please do post any suggestion you may have.
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What is happening right now is rather strange, I disabled screen turning off (trying to drain battery to 1%/2%) looking at stock battery app, it seems to be stuck at 21% and it's not changing.
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Maybe this has to do something with the built in power saver. Maybe it kicks in when the battery drops to the 20s and stops whatever is draining it.
I am thinking trying some battery saver to see if it does the same thing but from the beginning of the full charge.
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Maybe this has to do something with the built in power saver. Maybe it kicks in when the battery drops to the 20s and stops whatever is draining it.
I am thinking trying some battery saver to see if it does the same thing but from the beginning of the full charge.
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Actually I have disabled it when it asked me if it should turn on. So I guess nothing to do with that.
I am going to backup now, fully unroot and somehow get it to pure stock. Than I'm probably going to exchange the phone in case battery life doesn't change.