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Hi there all you alpine lovers , since i figured that there was no way that there will ever be a wm5 for the alpine and i myself love my Imate pda2 very much..i wanted to do something new with this site that so far no one else has done...since i was really curious to know how the alpine really looked like from the inside and what really powered it up so i took the chance and managed to take a few shots... i hope this may help you guys in anyway...and guys even though the alpine may never come across a chance to get a wm5 running atleast..just look on the bright side..wm2003 are much mre stable and there are lots of softwares out there to customize it to look better and besides its makes one hell of a powerful mean machine!!!
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and guys if any1 knows where to get an upgrade for the radio rom 1.04 please do let me know...
Yeah! Alpine is a great machine! I will wait for upgrade until Windows CE 6 PDAs will show up.
bushako
yeah that be something if there was a wm6 made available for the alpine but personally i doubt there will be one...it might be that the hardware requirement would not match up for the wm6 however what i would really really really really appreciate it if someone out there can atleast even give us a little hope that there is a wm5 OS available for it...in my opinion i think that since the xda2(himalaya) has been in the market for years n years,lol(unlike the alpine which was released only about 3years back) and so alot of people out there thought of reseurecting it back to life by somehow releasing a wm5 for it...so guys i think you should wait a looooooongtym,lool...b4 a miracle can happen and some gifted person would bring it back to life...
Is it possible to upgrade Alpine with higher resolution camera inside? like 2M or 3M pixels?
There are already internal photo's around. if you read the early linux pages you'll find a post popped up with the images, although since then I've moved server and the link no longer works. If you can get them they have a higher res and display very big and clear.
i love this big machine,
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Is it possible to upgrade Alpine with higher resolution camera inside? like 2M or 3M pixels?
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i doubt that would be possible...since the camera picture quality resolution has to be setup through its camera settings...even though if there is a possible way to attach a higher resolution lens, the options in the camera settings menu allows only a maximum resolution of 960*1280 pixels...unless you have found a way to upgrade your xda2i with another CE ROM
Camera model
Does anyone know the make of the camera in Alpine?
Thanks!
tnx for pictures
I have a few issues with my Tilt that maybe some of you could help me with. have flashed more ROMS than I can count. The problem that I am running in to is that 1. I can't find one that really works for me and 2. I can't seem to get my camera back. Let me elaborate on that. I have the camera, it works normally, but there is no zoom anymore. I went back to the straight HTC camera file, but there's no zoom in there. When I first purchased this phone from AT&T, it zoomed in and out, even when I would take a picture in low light conditions, I was getting excellent FPS. Now I installed the "official" HTC camera on here, and there's no zoom, and the low light FPS went straight to crap, maybe .5 to 1.5 if I am really lucky.
Ok, now back to the ROMS. I am having trouble finding a ROM that works good, doesn't lock, and doesn't eat my batteries like a fat kid eats Twinkies. I have tried almost every one of the DuttyThroy ROMS, Death something, Diamond Builds, you name it. I think I have tried just about every one on this website. I have tried almost every single one of the "lite" versions that everyone has put out, and still the same thing on battery life. I have also tried MULTIPLE different radios with different ROMS, and still, the same thing. Prior to purchasing the Tilt, I had a Blackjack. I loved it, I had installed a ROM on it from someone called Ali or Dr_Ali or something like that. Basically it was a VERY slight cook of WM6.1 that was pretty well pulled off of the BJ 2 and cooked for the BJ 1. I guess I would love to find something like that for the Tilt, but I haven't seen anything like it on this site. Anyone have any suggestions? Or perhaps what ROMS works good for you?
Sorry for rambling on. Thank you all for your help!!
On your camera, do you have it set to max resolution? If so, the zoom feature will disable.
As far as battery life? Well, I don't think there is a rom that's going to help. (but I'm no rom expert) The Tilt has proven to be a battery hog, and if your in a 3G area even more so. I think the chip set and proccessor speed has more to to with it than anything. I wish there was a clock speed utility that works on the Samsung proccessor so I can turn the speed down and see if that helps.
Yeah, I really wish I could find a proggie for stepping down the processor like I had with my BJ 1.... And yeah, I didn't even notice that with my camera (I feel like a retard now...)
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(I feel like a retard now...)
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Yea, I hate it when that happens. However, speaking from experience, ya get use to it after a while.
battery usage can vary between both rom and radio. the roms i've noticed with outstanding battery life are dutty and l26. Then you get into radios to go along with these roms. the chefs usually pick the radio set for you to use...so read read read...and flash safely.
Hi guys,
im an orange customer and I'm for a an upgrade next Thursday. I was hoping to get a Touch Pro, but they dont seem to be bringing that out just yet on Orange so my alternative is the diamond.
I have heard lots of horror stories on it being very laggy and un-responsive due the the lower hardware specs. this with the un-ability to use any MMC Cards was one of the reasons i was routing for the pro.
They have now released a new rom and this has improved things a lot i hear but of-course there is not upgrade for the orange rom other than using a cooked one i assume as the HTC official will not work.
my question... If I go for the Diamond, am I downgrading to much... should I just be patient and wait ? would you say its a worthwhile phone ?
Thanks for you replies in advance, and this is an opinion thread, no flaming someone for their opinion necessary. my spelling well thats another matter ....
While the TouchPro is definitely more powerful than Diamond, I have bought Diamond recently and don't have any performance or usability issues so far. I am using the ROM that came from Telstra and am quite happy with it but I suppose over time, I would still go to try out some cooked ROMs as I have been addicted to flashing with my Hermes for the last 2 years.
To be short: If you don't need a qwerty keyboard and if you don't need more than 4GB storage, buy the Diamond. Nothing else comes close.
All the negative things you've heard about like slowness and such can be solved by installing a custom ROM like SwiftBL 6.0. My Diamond is not only fast, it almost flies.
The screen is the best on the market, the interface is great, GPS is excellent etc. etc. etc.
The Diamond is the PDA better than I ever try to date ...
I abandoned my P3600 move to this concentration of technology and style and I have not yet repented ...
The battery does not last much, but on the site HTC sell at a price not excessive plus the battery.
I had heard about the slowness in response and fluidity of TF3D, but even without resorting to custom ROM, just act with a registry editor on the registry, change some value and that's it ... now is my finger that is not behind the TF3D.
If I may advise, order!
I'm sorry to ruin, but the device is slow.
Before the diamond I had an i-mate jam running windows mobile 2003SE, which should be slower than the diamond, it has
an 400MHz Xscale cpu but the OS / phone way more responsive.
In the diamond it takes me few clicks to answer a phone call, also few seconds to disconnect one also the random freezes.. oh the freezes.. jezz
this driving me crazy when I hit the START button and it takes ~2 seconds to understand..
(And yes, I use dutty's cooked rom V1.7 1.93 which is considered the fastest)
There are good things of course, like the screen which is perfect, the built in GPS which works flawlessly and the TF3D interface
which I hope some time will work faster..
Meanwhile, I still hope I would be able to install Android when it comes out.
Btw, the screen might be perfect but I've also had an iphone, and its a different touch
experience, the multi touch points on the screen and no pen needed to work around are great.
One more annoying thing is the mini-usb.. very pointless, why not to use the regular standard usb port :\
Overall, I'm not too happy mainly due to the performance issues.
WM6.1 is too heavy for this phone, imo.
I had the same issues, but with 1.37 ROM. I was quite disappointed until I upgraded to 1.93 ROM. Those just can't compare, everything is silky smooth and runs really really fast. Now I'm soo glad i bought the phone, it works flawlessly-TF3D and WM6.1...of course thanks to this brilliant forum!
Bottom line: With minor tweaks and some patience you will be more than satisfied with the device. I was sold to the design, now I am to the WM too...
Even if I remove the TF3D interface its still less responsive than needed so I dont know what are you talking
about and I'm also running 1.93 dutty's ROM v1.7.
The whole thing feels like VISTA vs XP in performance terms..
It depend if you are luky or not, my father has a diamond too and had problems with 1.37 and now with the 1.93 he has a lot more problems. For me that was realy good with the Rom 1.37 and now impossible to use GPS updates with the 1.93; two phones and two diffrent experience. Impossible to use Skype in phone to phone over IP but great with PC to phone. Now there is a lot of tweaks realy usefull and this phone is great with a long battery life (if you use what you need when you need). I hope that will help you.
@Delusionz
I really feel sorry to hear that, mate. I am now on the official WWE 1.93 and it's just another world compared to the previous. Everything seems the way i like, which is also great thing with WM, cause lots of things are customizable(+all those performance tweaks which are great). For instance, if i click Start button, it opens down immediately...no lags whatsoever. On 1.37 it was only question of time...Did you try any other ROMs too?
@dge
I had this quick gps problem too...but on 1.37...now it's all fine...i guess we mean the same thing...but long battery life is not its plus...with some tweaking 2 days...maybe 2 and 1/2 days...of course with medium to low usage...
this is not a chat room
every week somebody starts a thread like this...every week.
there is plenty of reviews on the net (try google) and plenty of threads on this subject.
here you have a small collection of related threads. i searched using the word opinion and i got: personal opinions, comparisons with iPhone, comparisons with omnia, problems, why some ppl love their diamond, why some hate it....lots and lots of info!!
try and search the info you need. read! read! this is not a chat room!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=419563&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=415151&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=408477&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=414619&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411682&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402458&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=398786&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411791&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411830&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=400304&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411478&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402321&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=409022&highlight=opinion
no its not a chat room but....
a forum to discuss
chill out.....go have a cup of tea or something
Some of the alleged "slowness" is inherent to all Windows Mobile devices. 4 years ago, WM phones took 2 seconds to open startmenu-programs. Now, after all this improvement, they still take 2 seconds to open startmenu-programs. This is not Diamond's fault, but rather Microsoft's.
Where Diamond shines is in comparison to other WM phones on the market, not iPhone. If you want extreme speed, buy iPhone. If you want business features with extreme speed and don't need touchscreen, buy BlackBerry Bold. If you want Windows Mobile, but the Diamond. Simple as that...
thanks everyone for there opinions and advice if. Its one of the reasons i like this forum as "most" people are friendly and happy to give advice.
Im not an Iphone man, this will be my 4th HTC and 5th WM device so i understand all to well the slowness of WM and if the mutterings i heard were just concerning that and not the device hardware then i think im sold.
I think i will miss-out the SD Card Slot and TV-Out of the Pro but hey its free! I cant argue to much.
Thanks Again,
Check this out:
Plenty of happy owners.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=415852
IMO best phone out there by far, and it does not stop there since the phone is new, everyday brings new tweaks and apps that make it even better.
I've been google'n for 2 days and haven't been able to find anything worthy of an upgrade from a Kaiser ..
My mom needs a pda/phone and she wants my trusty Kaiser, but unless I find something worth having she's not getting it.
The Touch HD looks fantastic .. but .. isn't coming to the US [email protected]#[email protected]
Anybody know of something coming soon, available now I should be looking at ?
ATT Fuse doesn't look like any kind of an upgrade.
Thanks for your comments !
What I use the Kaiser for :
#1 Web Browsing
#2 VPN via PPTP to work network, and telnet to a as/400 machine from there
#3 Handful of WinMO apps that I use for various things (weather, poker blind timers, etc)
I occasionally talk on the phone too
hey man AT&T Fuze, it's called the Raphael on these forums, it's a sexy phone and has Opera 9.5 built in. and it can do everything the Tilt does minus some buttons and has a G-sensor
-Mike
Next to the KAISER I had the MWg ZINC II for a while. It had an incredible performance, much better than on the TYTN. However, there are 2 things I couldn't stand on that thing: no hardware softkeys underneath the screen and a weird keyboard with strangely arranged characters. Other than that it was a great device. I still would have gotten used to its keyboard but I couldn't stand the fact that it did not have any HW softkeys underneath the screen.
However, even though this seems to be an interesting question, I do believe that this thread is misplaced since you ask for something "that is not the KAISER"!
It might have been better placed in the GENERAL BOARD?
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hey man AT&T Fuze, it's called the Raphael on these forums, it's a sexy phone and has Opera 9.5 built in. and it can do everything the Tilt does minus some buttons and has a G-sensor
-Mike
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I guess I could run over to ATT and look at one. It just doesn't look all that appealing at first glance. I see nothing on it other than a VGA screen vs the tilt, and I'm losing the "tilt" function that I've grown to enjoy.
I don't think I'll ever use a G-Sensor for anything. I have opera 9.5 on the Tilt.
Maybe I'll like it better in-person.
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However, even though this seems to be an interesting question, I do believe that this thread is misplaced since you ask for something "that is not the KAISER"!
It might have been better placed in the GENERAL BOARD?
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I'm looking for opinions from current kaiser owners since they'll know what I'm replacing. I want something better than a kaiser. Only a kaiser owner would know what that is.
I never use my softkeys so I don't think losing them would be an issue.
I guess the Fuze might be an option but the screen on that thing looks smaller than a fuze. I want a BIGGER screen
Well, I upgraded from an 8525 to the Fuze, and am throughly dissapointed.
The screen is awesome, amount of memory is awesome, and the keyboard is awesome.
Everything else sucks. The hardware buttons at the bottom are extremely spotty. If you don't press the perfect spot, with the perfect amount of pressure, the device presses the wrong button for you.
http://http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446246&highlight=hardware+buttons
I flashed to the Elite ROM, and that made things a little better in general, but the usability of the device is getting me down.
So I'm off to research the Tilt/Kaiser.
I looked for what's the next upgrade after the Tilt/Kaiser but didn't find anything worthy. I think much of this stems from just how significant the upgrade the Tilt/Kaiser was from it's previous models, the 8525 and 8125.
I looked at the Fuze but while it does have some additional features and speed, it's not the leap ahead that the Tilt/Kaiser was. The Touch HD which you already found is the only thing I also found that I'd consider a worthy successor. I thought of buying one and having it imported but from everything I read the radio won't work here in the USA.
So for now and the foreseeable future, I'm still on my Tilt.
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I looked for what's the next upgrade after the Tilt/Kaiser but didn't find anything worthy. I think much of this stems from just how significant the upgrade the Tilt/Kaiser was from it's previous models, the 8525 and 8125.
I looked at the Fuze but while it does have some additional features and speed, it's not the leap ahead that the Tilt/Kaiser was. The Touch HD which you already found is the only thing I also found that I'd consider a worthy successor. I thought of buying one and having it imported but from everything I read the radio won't work here in the USA.
So for now and the foreseeable future, I'm still on my Tilt.
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I think the radio works fine here, you just don't get 3G.
I'm not in a 3G area, so maybe I could overlook that. It seems like I tend to turn OFF 3G on those rare occasions when I am since it sucks the battery down so bad.
Touch HD looks very nice but maaaaaaaaan it's pricey !
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Well, I upgraded from an 8525 to the Fuze, and am throughly dissapointed.
The screen is awesome, amount of memory is awesome, and the keyboard is awesome.
Everything else sucks. The hardware buttons at the bottom are extremely spotty. If you don't press the perfect spot, with the perfect amount of pressure, the device presses the wrong button for you.
http://http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446246&highlight=hardware+buttons
I flashed to the Elite ROM, and that made things a little better in general, but the usability of the device is getting me down.
So I'm off to research the Tilt/Kaiser.
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Thanks for your comments .. this is exactly the kind of stuff I was looking for !
I think the hardware for a G1 looks good, too bad it's running android and not winmo.
It's got everything I want. Nice display size, hardware keyboard, 3G support
Nobody took a look at the Touch Pro(Raphael) or Sony X1 ?
Touch Pro is the Fuze, which was mentioned in the first post.
Racer i would look in the Raphael Forum and see if the problems/complaints are going to affect you terribly, from what i gather i'll be happy with the upgrade.
Best of luck!
-Mike
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Nobody took a look at the Touch Pro(Raphael) or Sony X1 ?
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Mentioned Touch Pro in first post (att fuze)
Not really much, if any, of an upgrade.
Sony X1 might be possible, but it's SOOOO darned expensive !
Another option would be an unlocked Palm Treo Pro.... runs win 6.1, decent phone, same specs as the tilt I believe
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Thanks for your comments .. this is exactly the kind of stuff I was looking for !
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I'm returning mine as well. The D-pad is useless when surfing the net, the keyboard is really cramped compared to the Tilt, and button placement very odd.
The screen is amazing and the amount of RAM phenomenal, but it isn't quite as fast as I'd hope for and there just aren't enough programmable buttons to make it useful for me.
When my ETEN Glowfiish M700 died I spent weeks debating -- do I spend $600 for a new Tytn II or do I go for broke and get a Touch Pro for $900?
In the end, while the features of the Pro sounded very nice, I decided I just better save some money and get the kaiser.
Very impressed with the Kaiser so far. Video slowness not-withstanding it is still much more responsive than the Eten. And there is certainly tons of help, software recommendations and more available on these very forums
I recently came into a little extra money, so I could get the Pro now if I wanted to. But I'm going to keep the Kaiser and wait to see what the WM7 machines look like next year -- or should I say in two years
Perfectly happy with my Fuze. TF3D, VGA screen, abundant storage room, extremely fast and responsive, absolutely love the hardware KB (many more buttons without having to press the FN key) and more. Suffice it to say, I am extremely happy with my Fuze. Very much so.
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Perfectly happy with my Fuze. TF3D, VGA screen, abundant storage room, extremely fast and responsive, absolutely love the hardware KB (many more buttons without having to press the FN key) and more. Suffice it to say, I am extremely happy with my Fuze. Very much so.
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Guess I better just run over to ATT and play around with one (fuze). Maybe I'll like it better in person than I do in "spec sheet"
What phone did you trade from, P1Tater ?
Thanks !
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Guess I better just run over to ATT and play around with one (fuze). Maybe I'll like it better in person than I do in "spec sheet"
What phone did you trade from, P1Tater ?
Thanks !
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Tilt. Which I still have as a backup. Especially after my OIL fiasco.
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Let me do say that the stock rom sucks. It is extremely slow and constantly lagging behind. I've flashed a new BlackStone radio and a custom rom and I absolutely love it. But let me emphasize, in the store, the Fuze is slow at best. It even has a ATT tab with all of their bloatware locked to that tab. However, NATF has already done a stock rom fixing most, if not all of the slow/laggy responsiveness. I have literally flashed every single rom already cooked for the Raphael/Fuze and found my favorite (today). This thing flies.
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Perfectly happy with my Fuze. TF3D, VGA screen, abundant storage room, extremely fast and responsive, absolutely love the hardware KB (many more buttons without having to press the FN key) and more. Suffice it to say, I am extremely happy with my Fuze. Very much so.
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I agree, i'm completely satisfied with my upgrade to the fuze as well.
Hello the title is not meant for a revolution or anything, just something that might get you interested
Please help me, I am going to and want to buy a Kaiser for myself, I wanted a polaris but what the heck I thought, if I could get a Kaiser why not? but upon reading here I could see that there are a lot of problems for the Kaiser, so now I am hesitant, please convince me that buying the Kaiser is still the right thing to do through your experiences and knowledge, I know someone will say that I posted in the wrong forum because no one will tell me the downsides but I believe in the integrity and honesty of the Kaiser users and the people of xdadevelopers.
Thank you for your time, and the responses if you will, should be positive and negative sides.
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Hello the title is not meant for a revolution or anything, just something that might get you interested
Please help me, I am going to and want to buy a Kaiser for myself, I wanted a polaris but what the heck I thought, if I could get a Kaiser why not? but upon reading here I could see that there are a lot of problems for the Kaiser, so now I am hesitant, please convince me that buying the Kaiser is still the right thing to do through your experiences and knowledge, I know someone will say that I posted in the wrong forum because no one will tell me the downsides but I believe in the integrity and honesty of the Kaiser users and the people of xdadevelopers.
Thank you for your time, and the responses if you will, should be positive and negative sides.
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The reasons you wanted a Kaiser to begin with are still the reasons you should buy a Kaiser
When you seek out an auto repair shop, you don't get turned off from buying a car because of all the cars there being repaired. You don't see the tens of thousands of cars that are not there being repaired.
Most of the problems are user errors, hardware always breaks @ somepoint & like denco7 says you just get it repaired or D.I.Y.
So don't be put off as loadz of us love our Tilt\Kaisers and don't have problems.
you might also want to define what a "problem" truly is in your opinion...as well as assess your own capacity to deal with "problems" and your commitment to dedicating some time to investigate, research, and find solutions to the "problems" (unless they turn out to be hardware issues).
the kaiser is my FIRST winmo phone and i've had it for 1.5 years now and it is a joy to use, provided you're willing to invest time and effort in reading about the possible tweaks and customizations.
most of the "problems" as stated above are due to user errors...i also include in this category problems that stem from unsuitable radios for your area and/or ROM. although the official ROMs TRY to ship with a radio that SHOULD give you good reception and data speeds and gps performance and battery life, still some people get better (and sometimes worse) experiences after they swap the radio versions.
the camera is great until its transparent plastic cover on the back panel gets inevitably scratched (takes about 4 months of use if you're not using a carrying case). the workaround for this issue is to remove the back cover and then take a picture/video if capture quality is a preference. the camera is autofocus but always seems to be locked in "night mode" and this equates to low FPS when shooting videos. the workaround for this is to run the camera app, put the device in standby, cover the lens with your palm, and wake the device. you'll get smooth FPS at the expense of a darker image. hope you are starting to see how the community has developed/discovered acceptable workarounds.
the stock ROMs tend to have a lot of bloatware (there are workarounds for preventing the bloatware from being installed on initial setup after a hard reset). the stock ROMs are generally EARLY builds of winmo6.0 and winmo6.1. to stay on the bleeding edge of features and performance, you're left with no choice other than the superb cooked ROMs available here on xda (including the much improved winmo6.5).
if you're already eyeing the polaris and you are satisfied with its features and reviews, the kaiser is essentially THE SAME DEVICE with slightly different looks, a d-pad, a tilting screen (available on only ONE other htc device, i.e. the LATEST touch pro 2), a slide out hardware keyboard, and an easier mechanism to hot swap your micro sd card. incidently, these advantages make the kaiser more popular (than at least the polaris) and this gives it a lot of regular attention and lovin' from the fine chefs and developers at xda.
usb port failures are common, but i gather a lot of other device families from htc suffer from the same problem.
last but not least are the issues related to the video drivers. once again, the polaris suffers from THE SAME video issues. even most of htc's NEWEST devices still have shoddy video drivers (probably qualcomm or at least htc's technology deal with qualcomm is to blame). once again, work arounds and tweaks and community developed drivers are available that manage to achieve an acceptable level of video playback performance, 3d rendering performance, and general GUI operations for most common use cases.
the final set of issues are probably due to WINDOWS itself. the kaiser has a regular 2.8 inch screen and this is not the best size at which winmo6.0 and winmo6.1 can be finger friendly. winmo6.5 is a LOT better at being finger friendly even on a 2.8 inch QVGA screen like the kaiser's (and the polaris'). and don't forget, nearly ALL the devices upto and including the kaiser (and even the newer diamond and touch pro 1) have ~2.8 inch screens. again, some applications are DESIGNED to be finger friendly regardless of the OS version, and tweaks and add-on applications are available to improve the size of the keys on the dialer and on the on-sceen keyboard, for example.
THAT, my friend, is the whole deal. every device has its own personality and thankfully, most of the kaiser's issues have (both easy and kinda tricky) workarounds. the rest is up to microsoft to quickly evolve winmo6.5 to be rock stable, fast, and (nearly) fully backward compatible with the rich base of software available for the windows mobile platform.