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what will make the Kaiser better ?!

I know the Kaiser is not out yet, and I know for fact that I will be one of the first buyers, because the Kaiser simply rocks
But lets face it! what do you guys think is missing in the Kaiser (tytn II), and makes you wish to have in the upcoming successor (tytn III maybe)
for me, this is my wish list:
1- SiRFIII not A-GPS (SiRFIII seems more sensitive, A-GPS takes too much time for initial fix based on my experience with the Trinity)
2- A built-in flash for the camera for night shots (5 MP would be nice also)
3- VGA screen (this will soon become a standard in all devices i think)
4- Blending the screen edges or level with the device body in a manner similar to the HTC touch and enabling the Touch-Cube
5- FM Tuner
hmmmmmmm not so important also but would be nice to have a 3.5mm or 2.5mm jack for stereo headphones and not being restricted to the mini-usb.....

For me, I would like to see the following:
1. VGA output via USB (for connecting to a data projector)
2. Support mobile TV standard like DVB-H
3. A flash light like that in Hermes, so that I can use it as a torch at night.

well I already said im getting one to replace my ill fated 8125. But here is a short list I would have loved to see this phone have but sizewise no way it would of fit in.
Fm radio
Video out
VGA screen
sterio speakers
A flash
standard headphone jack
Built in HD of 4+ gb (apple has more then proven it can be done so do it)
GPU of the GeForce flavor
A cdma chip to match its GMS set up make it a true world phone
Higher res cam 3.0 is nice but still fairly weak
Toss those into the bad boy and well yea it would be just kick ass.

+4gb HD
+1GB Ram
VGA
TV tuner
FM tuner
+1ghz processor
multitouch screen
very bright xeon flash.
IR port. (for using as a remote for my TV)
+6mp camera (even tho it already has a good camera)
Louder, clearer, stereo speakers with bass.

I only want a VGA screen!!

Why have a 4G HD when you can have a 4G or more micro SD card. MicroSD consumes less power and easy to move around and replace. With a HD, you are stuck with what it is. No upgradability.

And for the camera, it is the marketing people who want us to believe more pixels equate better photos. What we really need is a good quality lens and CMOS sensor. That is what makes good photo. My Canon Powershot S30 (3 mega pixels) produces much better photos to the many 6 or more M pixels photos from other cameras.

vga screen and tv out. nothing else..

bchau said:
And for the camera, it is the marketing people who want us to believe more pixels equate better photos. What we really need is a good quality lens and CMOS sensor. That is what makes good photo. My Canon Powershot S30 (3 mega pixels) produces much better photos to the many 6 or more M pixels photos from other cameras.
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I agree ... big time agree
Phone manufacturers are fooling all of u with the pixel game... they dont talk much about sensor and lense because they know what the result will show.... not to mention the zoom .... one excuse in the past that cell phones have no optical zooms because it will make the phone bulky ... well this is maybe true in the past ... but one look at sony's new cybershots DSC-t100 for example will tell you that everthing now is changed

My wish list would be:-
FM Radio
3.5mm audio jack
VGA toughened touch Screen which is also flush to make it easy to clean
Camera flash which doubles as torch
Infrared (I know it's a bit obsolete but I currently use IR on Vario 2 (hermes) as my TV and Sky remote )
Don't want much do I

Oh yea Nicky flush screen is a good one.
The Hermes suffers from screen misalignment mainly because of the dusts getting into the sides!
But the Kaiser should have a 3.5mm audio jack via an adaptor cable like the Hermes.

my dream is a kaiser exactly like it is now.....
but with a weight of 120 max 130 grams

1. FM Tuner
2. 3.5mm "standard" audio-out port
3. VGA Screen
4. Few mms thinner and narrower!

my wish list for the Kaiser II
VGA screen
Multi touch screen ala Iphone
3.5mm head phone socket
USB host
IR which will operate TV etc accross a room
Battery life of a Nokia 6310
Wake from standby on receipt of SMS, MMS, Email, IM
Webcam functionality
Network share folder
Camera flash
Reliable alarm
Decent carrier supplied ROM.
Twin sim slots
Ability to multitask eg. TomTom, MediaPlayer, IM and phone call simultaneously.
Oh and I want it to weigh next to nothing, be droppable without scratching and to survive being dropped in water.

wizzzard said:
my wish list for the Kaiser II
VGA screen
Multi touch screen ala Iphone
3.5mm head phone socket
USB host
IR which will operate TV etc accross a room
Battery life of a Nokia 6310
Wake from standby on receipt of SMS, MMS, Email, IM
Webcam functionality
Network share folder
Camera flash
Reliable alarm
Decent carrier supplied ROM.
Twin sim slots
Ability to multitask eg. TomTom, MediaPlayer, IM and phone call simultaneously.
Oh and I want it to weigh next to nothing, be droppable without scratching and to survive being dropped in water.
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lol The water one is a good one, I have lost two phones now by accidentally dropping them in water .. whoops
Sounds like you might be a little unlucky with your current phone though because my Vario 2 (Hermes) already has a reliable alarm (albeit with 3rd party software) and has no problem waking for SMS, IM etc... it isn't too bad on the multi-tasking front either .. ie. media player and Tomtom running simultaneously and streaming all via A2DP to my headset .. didn't think that was too bad going although an incoming call can throw a spanner in the works sometimes

bchau said:
And for the camera, it is the marketing people who want us to believe more pixels equate better photos. What we really need is a good quality lens and CMOS sensor. That is what makes good photo. My Canon Powershot S30 (3 mega pixels) produces much better photos to the many 6 or more M pixels photos from other cameras.
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well let me rephrase what i ment.
6mo Cmos Camera. the same quality as the kaiser but higher resolution.
and for the HD, yes i thought about that, but ROM is much faster than a storage card usually. so actually i'd like 1-4gb of Rom.

I only want
* decent quality finish (it should not peel off in two weeks)
* for christ's shake, ANTI REFLECTIVE SCREEN
the rest is okay.

Many have asked for 3.5mm audio plug for Kaiser for use with headphones. I think I have read somewhere that audio coming out from the USB port would be much cleaner than the 3.5 mm analog audio port. Reason is the USB port is digital so there is no need for the digital to analog conversion. Hence the USB headphones are in general preferred over the analog headphone if audio quality if a prime consideration.

rupps said:
* for christ's shake, ANTI REFLECTIVE SCREEN
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I didn't think an anti-reflective coating was possible for a transflective screen??

bchau said:
Many have asked for 3.5mm audio plug for Kaiser for use with headphones. I think I have read somewhere that audio coming out from the USB port would be much cleaner than the 3.5 mm analog audio port. Reason is the USB port is digital so there is no need for the digital to analog conversion. Hence the USB headphones are in general preferred over the analog headphone if audio quality if a prime consideration.
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yes, it is. i had heard an dread the same. which is why i want the usb audio port. i remember the 2.5 and 3.5mm slots would break or get stuck, but usb would not do that. plus it would be much faster, no need to wait for it to switch profiles and lag your phone.

Camera quality comments

Ok,thats for those members in the brotherhood whn hav played with the tytn2 camera.How's the picture quality? Do you miss the camera flash on the hermes? Wat difference does it make after all, i mean, a 3mp autofocus should be alrite. But what if u need ur flash light at night and theres none.I hav a dilema,stick on the hermes with its wm6 and having flashlight or migrate to kaiser(i dont use gps)

luke1708 said:
Ok,thats for those members in the brotherhood whn hav played with the tytn2 camera.How's the picture quality? Do you miss the camera flash on the hermes? Wat difference does it make after all, i mean, a 3mp autofocus should be alrite. But what if u need ur flash light at night and theres none.I hav a dilema,stick on the hermes with its wm6 and having flashlight or migrate to kaiser(i dont use gps)
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I can't comment on the Kaiser's picture quality but when I owned a 8525, I never used the flash. The flash in 8525/Hermes, to me, was a joke. It did not really make any difference unless you were taking macro pictures at night. I'm glad that Tilt does not have it. One less thing to worry about. Just my opinion.

the only real use to the ''flash'' was the awesome flash-light.

imasri29 said:
the only real use to the ''flash'' was the awesome flash-light.
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agreed - I miss the flashlight.
the TyTN2 camera takes longer from button-push to snapshot than the TyTN - sometimes 2 seconds. Light sensitivity is better, but it's still a phone. Auto-focus seems to help but who can wait all that time?

yes the slow response time is kinda annoying. the pic quality is ok even without the flash, definitely not as good as my P1i sony ericsson.

The camera is better than the TyTN but no flash leads for very jumpy framerates in low light conditions. Nicest thing is the two-press camera button. Half press for focus and full press to take - much more like any other camera-phone. Quality still not up to that of a SE or a small digital camera though...
R

Agreed - camera quality passable but not a patch on my K800i.

slow..
kilowong said:
yes the slow response time is kinda annoying. the pic quality is ok even without the flash, definitely not as good as my P1i sony ericsson.
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yeah..i agree with the slow response,i was getting ready to call htc,but i see its just not my phone..it really suck waiting for the pic.

The image quality is OK (good for 3MP phone camera).
But the camera operation is very slow, jumpy and blurry when there are lot of movement of the object or when you pan the phone. I hate this.
And yes, the lag is really, really annoying You will not be able to take picture of moving object!

Flip chart text legible after transfer to PC?
Can someone share an image of a "flip chart" with letters or numerals approximately the same height as a man's palm?
I'm trying to decide between the Tilt (3MP, no flash) and the BB Curve (2MP, with flash). Shooting flip charts in typical conference room light with no natural window light is the only camera utilization that I expect. The images will be captured on the device, then transferred to a PC for transcription -- with essentially infinite optical zoom capability available.
Best,

Camera speed with shutter sound disabled?
Does your Tilt/Tytn II camera speed increase with shutter sound disabled? I read that idea on another thread but haven't seen it confirmed here or elsewhere.

seems pretty good to me...
http://danielweidman.spaces.live.com/photos/cns!51708591E9FAC29F!109/
I will put up others shortly... ;-)
-Daniel

Does anyone else notice a click when the camera has finished focusing?

its normal. my sony ericsson K790a with autofocus clicks after focusing as well.

Def miss the flashlight... but mainly because of using it as a flashlight to look for things
But the refresh late is appauling which is annoying
Having said that, if you are stable and get rid of any shaking, i think the camera is actually really good. I took some scenery pictures in the car while going to Kent and even though we were moving at 70mph or so, they came out without any blurryness or noise on the pictures.
If they get rid of the refresh rate in darker (and I dont mean even dusk type light but just not daylight) areas, the camera will be perfect (for a phone)

I just upgraded from my old nokia 6682 to the kaiser. Here's two shots of roughly the same thing.
Nokia 6682:
Kaiser:
This is low light night conditions. Nokia is a complete joke. Kaiser is infinitely better but still no comparison to ccd cameras.
It's real slow taking pictures. That's for sure. And the only way to get digital camera replacement shots is to be really really still while taking it, which is real hard when it takes multiple seconds to take the picture.
edit: sorry I'll take a different set of pictures tomorrow. Noticed something in the pictures

Improve Preformance of Camera

Hi,
is there a way to improve the performance of the camera?
like improve the shuttle speed ? faster reaction time ?

You mean shutter speed? No, at the moment there is nothing you can do to speed it up. Especially when taking pictures where the light is low, the camera switches to night mode automatically, making the shutter speeds extremely slow. EXTREMELY ANNOYING, making the camera COMPLETELY USELESS for indoor shots. I think the way the IDIOTS at HTC were reasoning was that this would be a good alternative to the LED light the old TyTN had.
[sarcasm]This plus the disabled multimedia and 3D acceleration sure makes the TyTN II a device very well suited for business.[/sarcasm]

abubasim said:
You mean shutter speed? No, at the moment there is nothing you can do to speed it up. Especially when taking pictures where the light is low, the camera switches to night mode automatically, making the shutter speeds extremely slow. EXTREMELY ANNOYING, making the camera COMPLETELY USELESS for indoor shots. I think the way the IDIOTS at HTC were reasoning was that this would be a good alternative to the LED light the old TyTN had.
[sarcasm]This plus the disabled multimedia and 3D acceleration sure makes the TyTN II a device very well suited for business.[/sarcasm]
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I have faith that they'll release a software update

Yup, I mean shutter speed. it works greater in the day time only got problem in the night. was opening got a way to solve it

i agree, with a 3 mp camera with af and with a reaction time of a 19th century digital camera dosnt really do much

I don't think we'll have too much luck.
Like a normal camera the shutter needs to be open longer to capture a darker image. Sans a flash, I don't think too much progress will be made when it comes to night/dark images and capture speed.

I would be happy if they fixed the auto focus problem I show here, and allowed night mode to be switched on and off manually.

well we can just hope they come out with someting to solve the problems or make more improvement to it

Camera Temp Fix Issue

So i updated to the my tilt to Duttys Apr 1st rom, and since then, my camera is very slow on the FPS. I reinstalled the Camera 5.0.4.2915 fix, but no luck. So in reading, i found that if i turned on the camera, then hit the power button, then placed my hand over the camera lense, then hit the power button, i get much better FPS. But after i turn off the camera, the FPS goes back to very poor (so where everything is blurry). Does anyone have any ideas for a fix for this?
Thanks

This has been around for ages. All it does is stop the cameras light meter working, so it is locked to one exposure. It means you might get a dark picture, rather than a blurry one.
I wonder if the root of the problem is that the camera doesn't support a variable ISO speed? On my k750i, as it got darker the camera boosted the ISO resulting in grainier (but lighter) images. Looks like the our TYTN IIs might be locked to a single ISO speed, with only adjustments to the exposure time being made to compensate for darkness.

Camera Information

Hi Guys,
I am woring on an image processing project on the ATT tilt and I needed some vital information on the camera
1) Manufacturer and model
2) Focal Length of camera
and has a fix been found to disable the autofocus as that i causing some problems in the image processing.
Does anybody have any registry tweaks that can be used for the camera to speedup the autofoucs/disable it.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks

There was a previous thread showing that you can speed up the frame rate with a simple 3 step process. It does work but it has to be done every time you start the camera up and it removes the cameras ability to autoadjust light settings. Not sure how it effects focus.
1. Start up the camera.
2. Put the phone to sleep (just click power button)
3. Cover the camera lens with your palm or point it towards a dark place ( i have found a SMALL amount of light help)
4. With camera still in the dark, wake the phone back up.
You will notice the camera stutters for a second and then the frame rate jumps up incredibly. You are almost seing real time action (half second delay). The side effect is the lack of focus and light detection. Not sure if this helps you but its cool to try anyway. I would not that it does capture video with increased video and sound sample rates.