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Just bought a Kaiser but not they release the Touch Dual....any pros, cons?
Lavachild said:
Just bought a Kaiser but not they release the Touch Dual....any pros, cons?
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any info or links for this touch you speek of?
htc.com...its a new touch-dual that was released with TWO keyboards
The new Touch is only gonna be tri-and I beleive, and only 2100MHz 3G (that's used in Asia), thus no 3G except in Asia. Also, I believe it won't have WiFi. And it doesn't have GPS. Those 3 factors would hurt its appeal to me.
Oh, and it only has one keypad, but its configured like the Blackberries with SureType (each key has 2 letters on it.)
I was interested too, but yes, no Wifi, no GPS, no real keyboard and smaller 2.6" screen too
jomo25 said:
The new Touch is only gonna be tri-and I beleive, and only 2100MHz 3G (that's used in Asia), thus no 3G except in Asia. Also, I believe it won't have WiFi. And it doesn't have GPS. Those 3 factors would hurt its appeal to me.
Oh, and it only has one keypad, but its configured like the Blackberries with SureType (each key has 2 letters on it.)
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enough said
enough wrong said maybe...
3G 850/1900/2100 HSDPA and HSUPA. So not only Asia...
And there ARE 2 keyboard versions like mentioned above:
normal numeric-mobile or xt9-20key (like suretype)
Yep, the one that was officially announced does NOT have SureType, at least not the ones they showed at the press conference.
On the bright side, it's a quite a bit smaller than the Kaiser, for those for whom size matters more than usability.
Thyraz said:
enough wrong said maybe...
3G 850/1900/2100 HSDPA and HSUPA. So not only Asia...
And there ARE 2 keyboard versions like mentioned above:
normal numeric-mobile or xt9-20key (like suretype)
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Hey, I'm just going off of what their product sheet says:
http://www.europe.htc.com/z/pdf/products/HTC_Touch_Dual_CH_EN_300907.pdf
Network:
HSDPA 2100MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: Tri-band 900, 1800, 1900
And yes there are 2 diff types of keyboards: a 9-digit and a SureType like one. That doesn't bother me, as I could work with either (i.e. neither of those make me not want it). but until they have a confirmed quad-band true worldwide GPRS/GSM/EDGE/UMTS/HSDPA one on all 3G frequencies currently in use like the Kaiser AND WiFi, I won't be interested. But if you are, cool.
And yes, 2100 is used in Europe, I did forget that. It's used in Europe and in Asia, not in the US.
Sorry, that's gay.
I'll keep my Kaiser manphone - and leave the vibrator look a likes for the chicks.
*snigger*
(plus I can't wait!)
also a poor cpu for Touch Dual.... Kaiser is the best any way
niccyk said:
also a poor cpu for Touch Dual.... Kaiser is the best any way
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It's the same CPU as in the Kaiser, bud - Qualcomm MSM7200 400MHz.
gonna keep my paperweight for a while
here is a comprehensive review plus pictures of the htc touch dual:
http://smape.com/en/reviews/htc/HTC_Touch_Dual-rev.html
Still like the Kaiser better, but damn, that is a comprehensive review. I think it's got screen shots of every window possible.
Jeez thats the most in depth review I ever saw!
well done to him!
Illrigger said:
It's the same CPU as in the Kaiser, bud - Qualcomm MSM7200 400MHz.
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....sorry .
So I'm talking to one of the prominent Cell Phone Hackers / Repair guys in the city. Apparantly, he ripped open a diamond and it had the same chipset as the 850 diamond will have in it. He is saying that a ROM Update could unlock that frequency.
I debated with him stating that the chipset may be the same but there is no 850 antenna on it. He disagrees.
Any thoughts on this?
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So I'm talking to one of the prominent Cell Phone Hackers / Repair guys in the city. Apparantly, he ripped open a diamond and it had the same chipset as the 850 diamond will have in it. He is saying that a ROM Update could unlock that frequency.
I debated with him stating that the chipset may be the same but there is no 850 antenna on it. He disagrees.
Any thoughts on this?
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i think he might be right since the preproduction had the band, though no one did ever test a preproduction to see if the band actually worked.
Pawel062 said:
i think he might be right since the preproduction had the band, though no one did ever test a preproduction to see if the band actually worked.
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Engadget tested it, it didnt work.
A 900Mhz antenna would still work on the 850 band, it just woundn't be optimal, and you would end up with lots of harmonics. SNR would be lower, and the amplifier would end up at full strength most of the time, increasing the SAR.
Because of that they remove the calibration settings of the 850 band from the radio. Even if you changed the flag to enable the band (easier) you would need to somehow recreate all the calibration data (much harder).
Calibration data is specific to each device, so a flash from the US diamond rom (when/if its available) wouldn't be enough.
Its possible you could clone the calibration data from a US version of the diamond, but by then whats the point, just get a US version instead of frying your brain
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Its possible you could clone the calibration data from a US version of the diamond, but by then whats the point, just get a US version instead of frying your brain
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I guess some people just like their brain well done
Maybe it's for the situations when people try to get a device for cheap, or 2 weeks before everyone gets it, but then they realize that it won't work in their country.. as it should
Is there a working ROM (home brewed or otherwise) that will make the 3G in HTC Diamond work in the US with a carrier like ATT?
I would like to buy a phone and I am not sure if this is possible. I read somewhere that the FCC recently approved 3G version of the model - but would like to know for sure.
Thanks,
Karter
No, there is no ROM. The European Diamonds don't have the hardware necessary for getting anything but 900/2100mhz 3G. Try searching before you ask questions that have been answered 5 times over.
Black93300ZX said:
No, there is no ROM. The European Diamonds don't have the hardware necessary for getting anything but 900/2100mhz 3G. Try searching before you ask questions that have been answered 5 times over.
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Ok now I'm really confused ! I thought the fact (or at least I thought it was) that the "European" Diamonds were ROM upgradable to access US 3G was the whole basis for those of us that are hoping for the Touch Pro to eventually be the same way ??????????????
Black93300ZX said:
No, there is no ROM. The European Diamonds don't have the hardware necessary for getting anything but 900/2100mhz 3G. Try searching before you ask questions that have been answered 5 times over.
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Sorry hit the submit button twice
we ALL hope so, but it looks like is NOT happening!
lol this is just funny now...
frozenwaffles said:
lol this is just funny now...
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Sorry guys - I must have misunderstood some of the posts and I haven't been following the Diamond area closely enough
But I sure am glad I could provide you some entertainment ... but even more so, I sure hope that the when the dust settles the laugh will be on you ???
hopefully
yes yes the manufacturers want to give out all those free features..i forgot how the commercial world works...
Black93300ZX said:
No, there is no ROM. The European Diamonds don't have the hardware necessary for getting anything but 900/2100mhz 3G. Try searching before you ask questions that have been answered 5 times over.
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that is not entirely true. The hardware is exactly the same.
Please don't perpetuate this false rumor - DIAM 100 is not 850mz 3G capable
Based on the fact that HTC submitted a different model number than DIAM 100, the DIAM110
http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/...mFrame=N&application_id=417017&fcc_id='NM8DM')
to the FCC, it seems pretty clear that the hardware between the European version and the US version are in fact different. In addition, no one has been ale to get 850mhz 3G working on any existing (i.e., DIAM100) phone. If you can show evidence otherwise, I'm sure people would be interested. Otherwise, I think you're spreading a false rumor created out of wishful thinking and HTC's past behavior of not enabling GPS on the Trinity.
landshark said:
Based on the fact that HTC submitted a different model number than DIAM 100, the DIAM110
http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/...mFrame=N&application_id=417017&fcc_id='NM8DM')
to the FCC, it seems pretty clear that the hardware between the European version and the US version are in fact different. In addition, no one has been ale to get 850mhz 3G working on any existing (i.e., DIAM100) phone. If you can show evidence otherwise, I'm sure people would be interested. Otherwise, I think you're spreading a false rumor created out of wishful thinking and HTC's past behavior of not enabling GPS on the Trinity.
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Indeed there is no evidence to prove the DIAM100 can work on US 3G. But, i dont think its hardware related well i just keep my hope that something can make mine work. Dont want to sell it out!
lets speculate a little....
1) Mobile phone chipsets ARE multiband by definition. Even if it says that it is only 1900MHz, its chipset suports a range of frequencies (something like 1850 to 1990). Why? because it has to support lots of call in a single cell. The call are spread over hundreds of channels (frequencies) and across time-slots in a code division scheme.
And because it uses a code division scheme for multiple simultaneos calls, then all these frequencies are used at the same time.
So, operating frequency is programmable.
2) The Antenna has also to support multiple frequencies.
3) I think the only reason a chipset has to not support a frequency is the processor speedy. But 7201A specs says it suports 2.1GHz as well as 850GHz UMTS.
So, the reason a mobile phone has to be dual band and not quadband has to be only market related and not technical.
Is this correct?
or only bull****?
If this is correct, then Diamod Hardware HAS to be UMTS Quadband.
And, to provide HTC a commercial advantage when negotiating with carriers (that is, HTC locks european models to not work in USA --- so that, to use 3G in USA one needs to by the device from the local carrier --- this leads to better contracts with the carrier).
If Diamond hardware is quadband where is the lock?
From all the reseaches we are almost sure it is not in the main storage memory (Radio or ROM).
It can be hardware locked....then the only way to unlock will be hacking the hardware wich is not viable for almost all of us (if it is not impossible).
But (trying thinking as HTC engineers), how about lock it (outside the memory --- because users are flashing hacked Radios and ROMs) but still in a programable way? (I think like sim-lock is done this way in many devices). Because doing this way I don´t have to create diferent production pipelines and different projects.
By programmable I mean a process that is done after the phone (or the main board) is manufactured.
If all of this is true (and I think it is not ) than the question is: is this final process reversible? (like simlock)?
If yes then how?
Uau.....I am impressed on the amount of **** I can write sometimes.
So, I happen to have two galaxy S phones, one with a smashed screen, the other intact. One can do 850mhz and not 900, the other 900mhz and not 850mhz. I was wondering as to the physical locaiton of the radios in the phone. Opening them up I can see quite a few chips appear to be attached with flex cables and was wondering if radios/modems are interchangeable. Anyone given it a go?
I also have a 900mhz Nexus S I'd love to run 850...
So, any ideas?
I suspect it might be easier to swap the screens than the radios, but I'm no expert.
It certainly would be, just interested for interests sake really. And of course if its the same as the one in the nexus s then I'm very interested if its on a flex that can be changed.
mackaxx said:
It certainly would be, just interested for interests sake really. And of course if its the same as the one in the nexus s then I'm very interested if its on a flex that can be changed.
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use a technician manual to dismantle and for parts location http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1709378
Flash JVU/JW1 Modem
Go to dialer
Type :*#2263#
Select combi bands
Menu key -> Key input
Enter Value 8
Here you go, WCDMA/UTMS 850,900,1900,2100 enabled
I've tried flashing a few modems and enabling the frequency in the combi band bit but have had not success. Its an australian i9000 and apparently they are somewhat crippled.
So it looks like its one of 3 chips, one for each frequency. Its soldered into a board which you certainly can remove and switch though, which means it might be worth finding a smashed in dead 850mhz phone or vice versa if you want to change your phone to the other frequency.
Nexus S internals were totally different so no real chance of anything working there.
mackaxx said:
So it looks like its one of 3 chips, one for each frequency. Its soldered into a board which you certainly can remove and switch though, which means it might be worth finding a smashed in dead 850mhz phone or vice versa if you want to change your phone to the other frequency.
Nexus S internals were totally different so no real chance of anything working there.
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But there is Quadband 2G.....
MrAndroid12 said:
But there is Quadband 2G.....
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Um, quadband 2g? Telstras 'edge' network? Seems a bit slow?
EDIT: While the baseband may support LTE, an additional RF chip is required. Sorry
As some of you may know, I have been trying to details the hardware inside the Nexus 4, and I may have made and incorrect assumption based on the fact we were told it doesn't support LTE. I believe the Nexus 4 may have and LTE capable basband chip.
The Nexus 4 uses a snapdragon S4 PRO APQ8064. This SOC doesn't have a baseband chip at all, you have to add a separate chip.
It is unknown what baseband chip is in the Nexus 4, but we can narrow it down. As can be seen on the android central home page very very clearly, the baseband version is as follows:
M9615a-CEFWMAZM-2.01700.27
The first part of that caught my eye. M9615a. For 10 points, anyone know what baseband chip is in the Optimus G? MDM9615
M9615a... MDM9615... See where I am going with this here? Seems a little coincidental. Might be nothing but I thought I would throw it out there.
If Google is getting LG to use the same parts in the Nexus 4, then it seems to me that the Nexus 4 does support LTE (although NOT CDMA, so still no Verizon or Sprint).
l0st.prophet said:
As some of you may know, I have been trying to details the hardware inside the Nexus 4, and I may have made and incorrect assumption based on the fact we were told it doesn't support LTE. I believe the Nexus 4 may have and LTE capable basband chip.
The Nexus 4 uses a snapdragon S4 PRO APQ8064. This SOC doesn't have a baseband chip at all, you have to add a separate chip.
It is unknown what baseband chip is in the Nexus 4, but we can narrow it down. As can be seen on the android central home page very very clearly, the baseband version is as follows:
M9615a-CEFWMAZM-2.01700.27
The first part of that caught my eye. M9615a. For 10 points, anyone know what baseband chip is in the Optimus G? MDM9615
M9615a... MDM9615... See where I am going with this here? Seems a little coincidental. Might be nothing but I thought I would throw it out there.
If Google is getting LG to use the same parts in the Nexus 4, then it seems to me that the Nexus 4 does support LTE (although NOT CDMA, so still no Verizon or Sprint).
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It may have the onboard chip, but doesn't it need a separate (a specific type of) antenna for LTE?
Wouldn't they have to test the chip's functionality at the FCC which would alert the tech writers who watch that stuff?
Those documents can be found here. You might be able to make heads or tails of any of it (I can't)
The reality is that LTE chips are significantly expensive to add to a smartphone, like in the $200 range. Part of The reason this phone can be offered for so low off contact is because it is HSPA only. I am also quite confident that they have to dissociate all of the radios inside the phone.
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evodon84 said:
The reality is that LTE chips are significantly expensive to add to a smartphone, like in the $200 range. Part of The reason this phone can be offered for so low off contact is because it is HSPA only. I am also quite confident that they have to dissociate all of the radios inside the phone.
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Is that expense attributed to the hardware? Seems a bit high to me, I would guess it is some sort of licensing fee to use that spectrum. if thats the case having it technically not supporting it would negate the fees while still possibly having the necessary radio for it. Completely speculating though.
Hi
I expect all the gobi modem range are software compatible and the base band shown is just the software identifier.
Regards
Phil
evodon84 said:
The reality is that LTE chips are significantly expensive to add to a smartphone, like in the $200 range. Part of The reason this phone can be offered for so low off contact is because it is HSPA only. I am also quite confident that they have to dissociate all of the radios inside the phone.
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Are you saying $200 just for LTE? Umm no. Research firms suspect it added $10 to the cost of the qualcomm chip for the iphone.
The baseband chip might support LTE (most likely it does), but the phone is probably missing the required amplifiers (LNA and PA) and filters to make it work in the LTE bands.
nm3th said:
The baseband chip might support LTE (most likely it does), but the phone is probably missing the required amplifiers (LNA and PA) and filters to make it work in the LTE bands.
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That sounds much more likely the case. I will say that if it's possible I guarantee the amazing development community on here will have it functioning very soon after they get hands on it!
Having read some more, the iPhone 5 uses the same chip, but has an additional chip paired with it. I couldn't find out if it was to do with the CDMA models though.
nm3th said:
The baseband chip might support LTE (most likely it does), but the phone is probably missing the required amplifiers (LNA and PA) and filters to make it work in the LTE bands.
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Also I would guess that qualcomm has locked out the functionality even if it is the same silicon. Common practice in the industry when you are selling a lower-end variant at a lower price. That could what the 'a' added onto the part number is for.
The second chip is the Qualcomm RTR8600 multi-band/mode RF transceiver for LTE bands, and s also found in the GSIII.
Sorry guys, my bad