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Htc Tytn ii has stepped up but what is in the furture of the next phone coming next

the htc tytn iii
this thread is for what you want to see in the next tytn iii that will be sent to htc in January
What i hope is that they combine the htc tytn ii with the htc touch dual imagine the possibility
i also hope that htc will add more multimedia features to the htc tytn iii because then it will be the greatest phone.

And a VGA screen for me please.

VGA screen, 600+ mhz CPU, 8GB onboard storage, stronger GPS, 128MB ram, go back to the Wizard/Hermes keyboard slide from right to left, an keep the longer stylus, so much nicer to use than the telescoping style.

decepticon said:
VGA screen, 600+ mhz CPU, 8GB onboard storage, stronger GPS, 128MB ram, go back to the Wizard/Hermes keyboard slide from right to left, an keep the longer stylus, so much nicer to use than the telescoping style.
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the kaiser has 128mb of ram. you wouldnt need to include an already existing feature in your new dream device, only better fetures.
btw i like the way the keyboard comes out much more, the reason is because it's better for gaming and emultors, more are compatible with the keyboard that way.

Give me my IRDA back!
Make the keyboard slide like the Wizard.
VGA Screen.
Anything else will be gravy but taking away the IRDA was the biggest injustice.

Checkout E-Ten M800. The only hope, they will increase to 128 MB RAM, but anything else ... nice
decepticon said:
VGA screen, 600+ mhz CPU, 8GB onboard storage, stronger GPS, 128MB ram, go back to the Wizard/Hermes keyboard slide from right to left, an keep the longer stylus, so much nicer to use than the telescoping style.
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faster cpu. (This was my first windows phone and honestly I was expecting a lot more. It's loads better than my old 6682 but still it's making me keep my laptop that I was hoping to replace with this phone)
faster gps lock times if possible
support for sd or minisd. cheaper and larger storage and shouldn't take up too much room I'd imagine
if they wanted to keep the tilt, have it click lock in tilted position. I find it always sagging down when I'm using it.
make ie able to browse websites while they're still loading. it's terrible right now. hopefully firefox mobile will be great
ccd camera
irda would be nice if it could work as a universal remote
make the touch screen much better. learn from iphone

I hate to say it, but:
VGA screen (or higher res), more built in RAM or at least cheaper flash, faster CPU, lower latency data speeds, thinner design, multitouch... a lot of the things the iPhone is doing. Now, I'm no iPhone fan, but they do get a lot of things right. I'd be super happy if I could get the functionality of a WM phone with the looks and hardware of an iPhone (and a little thicker for a real qwerty keypad).

too bad multitouch is patented by apple, so unless you think HTC is going to license it from them (which they wont) you can scratch that one off your list

I dont understand why multitouch is so popular? It requires you to use your finger, no style. No accuracy. When do you even use multi touch? To make pictures bigger and smaller? What else needs multi touch? Most of the "multi touch" features can be done without multi touch.

Probably not a big thing on this forum, but a nicer camera, ideally with a xenon flash to replace a compact for everyday shooting. After all, if it can navigate, surf and e-mail, why not take pictures?
Bigger screen, even if it means a little bigger size. The E90 and iPhone are good examples of this in operation - less scrolling.

Doug2873 said:
too bad multitouch is patented by apple, so unless you think HTC is going to license it from them (which they wont) you can scratch that one off your list
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AFAIK, they only patented a method of sensors for multitouch, not the idea of touching two things at once. The latter has been around for 20 years.
The Microsoft Surface table is an example of multitouch technology, they just use different types of sensors than the iPhone. If HTC or some other company develops a way to register multiple touches, then it would be fine.
Although, to my original point, multitouch isn't that big a deal to me. It's more the svelteness of the iPhone that I dig, although it's functionality is severely lacking.

VGA Screen
Faster CPU 600/800mhz
More on-board memory ram & rom for future upgrades without needing to upgrade the device
External Storage (Via MiniUSB for 300gb HDD)
Wizard Keyboard Open (more people use it in their left hand not their right and push up with the thumb ready to type)
Keep the full length stylus that rules over the telescopic one
Camera mode choice of auto focus or normal point and shoot and bring back the flash
Make all utility buttons on the sides the same height as the current (OK) button not like the current camera button and keep the power button lower
Allow more customisation without needing to hack programs.
Multiple SIM card support (Contract & PAYG with call waiting between the 2)
Thats about it for now
Russ

fuzzycuffs said:
I hate to say it, but:
VGA screen (or higher res), more built in RAM or at least cheaper flash, faster CPU, lower latency data speeds, thinner design, multitouch... a lot of the things the iPhone is doing. Now, I'm no iPhone fan, but they do get a lot of things right. I'd be super happy if I could get the functionality of a WM phone with the looks and hardware of an iPhone (and a little thicker for a real qwerty keypad).
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They say it's got a lot of RAM. Would explain why it's missing UMTS, HSDPA, a secondary camera and GPS.
However I do agree with you, it would have been nice if our WM6 devices ran as smoothly and were as fun.

A transflective screen... please
It is really stupid of them to not have a transflective screen on the Kaiser.

a radio (FM and ideally AM).
VGA screen
faster CPU
support for full-size or at least mini-sd

VGA screen...I still dont understand why all PDAs dont have them.

+ maybe 256 MB RAM (though I enjoy the "luxury" of 128 MB at the moment
+ somewhat faster processor (e.g. 500, max. 600 MHz --> consumes more energy !)
+ a stronger battery !!! --> 1500-1600 mAh
+ a VGA Display (that of the imate Ultimate 8150 is cool)
+ agreed: Consumer IRDA for use as remote control woudn't be bad, but only optional
+ better camera binaries; a 3 MP for a phone is quite ok, but the camera binary is lagging and should be improved by a quick firmware upgrade
+ separate headphone jack
All in all the TyTN II is by far the most exciting PDA I've ever had.
Lies absolutely smart in your hand and the slider mechanism is gorgeous.
I had the TyTN I before. Nothing to compare with the TyTN II.
All I can say: well done HTC !
Just consider our proposals for future improvements ;-)

And NO !
Not going back to MiniSD or full-sized SD !!!
I have a 6GB MicroSD now in the TyNN II. It works fine.
Only 1 week away from commercial availability of the 8GB MicroSD.
SanDisk will soon also come up with faster versions of the MicroSD series.
So why going back to a form-factor, which wouldn't bring any real benefit (and the MiniSD was only a transient standards, which is dying out at the moment).
Let's use full-size SD for "real" full-fledged digicams and MicroSD for phones and small PDAs !
I've been sceptical about MicroSD in the beginning myself. My biggest concern has been on how MicroSD would catch up in memory capacity with (Mini)SD.
The industry - to my big surprise - understood the market demand this time quite well and sooner than I expected the memory size-factor "exploded".
8GB MicroSD cards initially weren't expected before YE2008 or early 2009.
Now they are (almost) materialized...
12, 16 and even 32GB MicroSD cards are expected in 2008 and 2009.
(Only to mention: for my first digital camera in 2000 I purchased a 32MB CompactFlash card for the price I get today 3x a 6GB MicroSD card.)

I would personally like:
VGA Screen
1 Ghz Processor
8Gb On Board Storage
5mp Camera W/ a flash that actually works affectively
4G data speeds.
Better Audio Speaker
Built In Itunes
Video Conferencing (Front Facing Camera In The USA)
Stronger Bluetooth
Built In Bluetooth Audio Routing
Built In Youtube
I know i'm asking too much but if this were in a phone, laptops are officially worthless to have. This is probably what you'll see in phones in 2015 and then we'll be complaining on how it's too slow and we want more.

ADVICE: touch cruise to diamond

I have sold my cruise but now I'm interesting to diamond some advice? I' ve some troubles about it

if u can wait buy htc touch pro. has everything diamond does (minus front camera) plus a hardware kb and memory slot.

thesire said:
if u can wait buy htc touch pro. has everything diamond does (minus front camera) plus a hardware kb and memory slot.
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I saw...and it has also flash... why minus front camera?

i could only speculate, but it's probably pretty cramped in there..

some info about release dates of touch pro??

SMASH1902 said:
some info about release dates of touch pro??
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Later this summer i would imagine...no price but i would take a guess that its going to be a bit more expensive than the Diamond.

i have sold my polaris and i'm waiting for touch pro now i have only a sonyericsson z600 damn

i think real keyboard is meaningless. Diamond without a real keyboard is better, when you hold it on your hand, you will feel it looks more like a real phone. not holding a huge monster on your hand.
the new virtual full QWERTY keyboard will change your mind. find any friends can hand you to try the real HTC diamond.

FFS why do people moan on about the keyboard adding thickness. It's 6.7mm extra, that's like an ipod nano.
So if you already have a thinner device, please say, but if not, then don't moan.
Ok I did some research on all HTC's Pocket PC Phones and came up with thse devices whch are thinner
Artemis 16.8mm
Niki 15.8mm
Polaris 15.5mm
Elf 13.9mm
Advantage 16mm
So this shows us that the Touch Pro is the thinnest device that HTC has produced with a proper keyboard
Specs here
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacom...11&id7=736&id8=729&id9=733&id10=506&id11=1320

andrewloh said:
i think real keyboard is meaningless. Diamond without a real keyboard is better, when you hold it on your hand, you will feel it looks more like a real phone. not holding a huge monster on your hand.
the new virtual full QWERTY keyboard will change your mind. find any friends can hand you to try the real HTC diamond.
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I had a tytn and a touch cruise...cruise is more handling because was more slim but keyboard on tytn was very useful...
Some specs stop me in my decision:
htc diamond: positive ---> it is present a 4gb hd
negative--->no flash camera e no expansion slot
htc touch pro: positive ---> flash camera more ram than in diamond expansion slot
negative----->qwerty keyboard is more useful but the device it is no so handling as diamond

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FFS why do people moan on about the keyboard adding thickness. It's 6.7mm extra, that's like an ipod nano.
So if you already have a thinner device, please say, but if not, then don't moan.
Ok I did some research on all HTC's Pocket PC Phones and came up with thse devices whch are thinner
Artemis 16.8mm
Niki 15.8mm
Polaris 15.5mm
Elf 13.9mm
Advantage 16mm
So this shows us that the Touch Pro is the thinnest device that HTC has produced with a proper keyboard
Specs here
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacom...11&id7=736&id8=729&id9=733&id10=506&id11=1320
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We have every right to moan about the keyboard. Some of us just don't need it, and it increases the thickness by around 50% (and decreases the style by 90%).
In automotive terms, it's a bit like buying a car with a steering wheel and a rudder. confused
Anyway, the fact that it has a flash is good, and the keyboard does seem to be one of the best that HTC have produced. I might get one as a backup device...

Decreases style by 90%?
And how do you measure style?
Considering some of the things you've called stylish, I shall disregard this comment

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Decreases style by 90%?
And how do you measure style?
Considering some of the things you've called stylish, I shall disregard this comment
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lol
I'm obviously just pointing out that it looses a lot of its style through its thickness.

Difference between Diamond & Touch Pro

Can one of the owners of the Diamond & the Touch Pro confirm this for me please?
I read that the only differences between the Diamond & the Touch Pro are Touch Pro has a sliding QWERTY & the Touch Pro has a memory card slot. Are those the only differences? If so, I'd like to get my wife the Diamond & the Touch Pro for myself.

Different ROM\RAM
TP has a better location of the speaker if you ask me.

TP has TV Out

TP is fatter (too fat if you ask me...)

the pro is about as fat as an Orbit....thats not "too" bad
question is this, keyboard and SD Slot, tv out (might be on the diamond after all?) are all very user spacific, you either want it or dont, it makes no difference to the phone.
the question is this how much more juice it sucks, how much of a difference the extra RAM makes in real terms, and finally, i have heard on a website that the reception is better in the pro, those things are what really matter and are the true differences between the two devices.
can anyone answer those?

over all these you've mentioned so far, i still prefer the slick design of the diamond and just love block recognizer

Ok, kewl. Thanks guys

i was under the impression that it had a slightly larger battery. something like 1340 mAh?!

dazza9075 said:
the pro is about as fat as an Orbit....thats not "too" bad
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Really? Orbit, as in P3300 (artemis) ?
The TP is 18mm thick, and I thought the artemis is abt 15-16mm thick.
I would still prefer the TP to be thinner, and perhaps without the card slot. A built in 8GB would be nice

Just ordered mines from play.com.

Pro has flash for its camera. Ram is larger than diamond

P3700 vs P4600
Diamond Pro
ROM 256MB 512MB
RAM 192MB 288MB
TV-Out No yes, tulip, extended USB
Camera 3.2MP AF&0.3MP 3.2MP AF + LED & 0.3MP
Accu 900mAh 1340mAh
Input Onscreen QWERTY or onscreen
Size 11,3x102x51 18,1x102x51 (mm)
Weight 110g 165g

your right the Pro is slightly fatter than a 3300 but 2mm isnt much considering your getting a keyboard in with the mix!

Diamond2 or Pro2

I really don’t know which one to choose from this one or the pro2. As already an owner of the first Touch Diamond which I’m very pleased about I do miss the keyboard but the size of the phone is then again to big does anybody know how the touch keyboard will work. Also if anyone doesn’t mind to tell me what the big differences are between the Diamond2 and Pro2.

Well the Touch Pro 2 has a 3.6 inch screen the Diamond 2 has a 3.2 inch screen, the Touch Pro two has a 3.2 mega pixel camera the Diamond 2 has a 5 mega pixel camera, other than those things and the keyboard and thickness I think that is it.

Thanks! Also I didn’t see the differences in the software so does it mean that the 2 phones have the exact same functions?

yuanes said:
Thanks! Also I didn’t see the differences in the software so does it mean that the 2 phones have the exact same functions?
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Software wise I think they are exactly the same

If the software is exactly the same then its 60% to 40% for the Diamond2

I´ll decide for TP2!
Because keyboard and bigger screen, really don´t care about camera mpx

difference
Hello,
The only main software difference I found between them is the "HTC Straight talk" for the Touch Pro 2, allowing to make multi party conference calls. Taken from HTC site (product info):
"Straight Talk™
HTC’s Straight Talk makes communication more natural, intuitive and effective. It is a way to seamlessly transit from email to a single or multi-party calls as well as a flawless means to complete conference bridge calls. The innovation is completed by dual microphone and speakers that turn your mobile into a professional quality speakerphone by the simple action of placing your phone face down on the table."

Hi!
For what I have seen the Strait Talk is more than software, it also includes the dual speaker system with echo cancellation that the pro2 has. The software part of strait talk is included in the new phone canvas, and that is identical in both the diamond2 and the pro2.
Regards,
PK
swissman said:
Hello,
The only main software difference I found between them is the "HTC Straight talk" for the Touch Pro 2, allowing to make multi party conference calls. Taken from HTC site (product info):
"Straight Talk™
HTC’s Straight Talk makes communication more natural, intuitive and effective. It is a way to seamlessly transit from email to a single or multi-party calls as well as a flawless means to complete conference bridge calls. The innovation is completed by dual microphone and speakers that turn your mobile into a professional quality speakerphone by the simple action of placing your phone face down on the table."
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@ swissman & paalkr
Exactly this well kind of a same function you have in the “older ones” touch diamond and pro. It’s a nice gadget though but which one of you is really going to use this function and what I mean with it is like in a conference with your business partners etc.
But like orb3000 it’s clear did he wants the TP2 because of the keyboard and bigger screen 0,4 inch bigger than the TD2.
People who want to buy the TD2 or TP2 please tell me your reasons why you go for the TD2 or TP2?

yuanes said:
People who want to buy the TD2 or TP2 please tell me your reasons why you go for the TD2 or TP2?
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I'll go for the TD2: less expensive, smaller thus more pocketable.
No physical keyboard is not a drawback for me (not enough typing to bother with a much thicker device, and I do not use qwerty keyboard anyway (not sure physical keyboard come in azerty variety), or sometime use non-western keyboard which only come as software keyboard)
Smaller screen is a drawback, but I'll accept it to have a smaller device, it is only a size reduction which is less problematic than lower resolution....The only thing I regret is that larger screen would have been possible in TD2 size, but ok, no phone is perfect ;-)

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I'll go for the TD2: less expensive, smaller thus more pocketable.
No physical keyboard is not a drawback for me (not enough typing to bother with a much thicker device, and I do not use qwerty keyboard anyway (not sure physical keyboard come in azerty variety), or sometime use non-western keyboard which only come as software keyboard)
Smaller screen is a drawback, but I'll accept it to have a smaller device, it is only a size reduction which is less problematic than lower resolution....The only thing I regret is that larger screen would have been possible in TD2 size, but ok, no phone is perfect ;-)
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You do have a point there size is almost everything, with the TD that I have never had any problem with it because it fits in my jean, suit etc perfect!
Thanks!

As of right now I'd go with the TD2. Never had a slide out keyboard so having one isn't all that important to me. Size is everything to me and until I can hold a TP2 I am worried that it will be too thick for my liking. Both screens are nice, the TP2's is obviously nicer but I could still live with the TD2 since it's an upgrade to the screen on the vogue or diamond. But in the end it will somewhat depend on if my carrier gets both and the timing of their release.

TP2 is better in terms of specs and look IMO, its colour is uniform throughout, not a bit of silver at the bottom and the rest is black like the Diamond 2. Price is very important also.

Here's a spec sheet comparing the Touch Pro, Touch Pro 2, Diamond 2 and Touch HD: http://www.mobilitydigest.com/applications/Comparison.pdf

bugsykoosh said:
Here's a spec sheet comparing the Touch Pro, Touch Pro 2, Diamond 2 and Touch HD: http://www.mobilitydigest.com/applications/Comparison.pdf
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Thanks for the specs and the comparing!

Definitely TP2, i use to own the kaiser and moved over to Touch HD... and i must say i Damn miss the keyboard, plus extra screen size and resturn of tilt - way step up from Kaiser.....Can't wait

Doesn't the Pro still have TV-Out capability?

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Doesn't the Pro still have TV-Out capability?
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It does have the TV-Out.

I say the touch pro 2. This is because it has 2 mics, 2 speakers, a bigger screen, a full tilting qwerty keyboard, and looks way nicer, the only thing i think is better about the diamond 2 is the 5 megapixel camera, but as for the sze of the phone I hink its about as thin as a G1 which is pretty thin for a phone with a keybaord and wont seem that bulky

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I say the touch pro 2. This is because it has 2 mics, 2 speakers, a bigger screen, a full tilting qwerty keyboard, and looks way nicer, the only thing i think is better about the diamond 2 is the 5 megapixel camera, but as for the sze of the phone I hink its about as thin as a G1 which is pretty thin for a phone with a keybaord and wont seem that bulky
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The 2 speakers are nice though but are you really going to use 2 mics, I also hope that it isn’t that bulky because a friend wants to buy it. He always wants to compete with me the same as the TD1 and TP1 its going to start all over.

Should I buy a diamond 2 when I've already got a Diamond?

I've been offered a Diamond 2 for pretty cheap and I was wondering what the guys thought about updating?
is it really worth the expense for a removable card and a little bigger screen...or is there more to it?
Is this all there is?
what do you think?
Thanks
mike

The Diamond 2 offers two main advantages:
1. style. It has a bigger screen, and looks better. This is ofcourse depending on your own taste
2. Software. The Diamond 2 has, in my opinion, a much better touchflo interface.
Ofcourse 1 can only be achieved by buying the device. But 2 can also be achieved by a custom ROM. I personally use Gen.Y's D2 ROM. It basically just the diamond rom with the diamond 2 interface installed: very nice. If you want to update read this for a guide. Also wait a few days, Gen.Y will release R5.1 on january 5.
He also makes roms based on the new HTC HD2 Sense interface: Gen.Y's D2X ROM. I've tried it: its definitly a nice interface upgrade but it's kind of laggy on the diamond and uses more RAM. If you want it you should buy a real HD2: it's hardware is very good and reviews say it's super-fast (it has a 1Ghz CPU as opposed to the +-500Mhz of the Diamond, Diamond2 etc.).
To round up: I wouldn't do it, just install a custom rom for the new interface and save the money for a real upgrade, like the HD2.

Thanks for the thoughts, i originally got the TD cos of it's size to power ratio, i recn that the HD/2 is pushing the size thing for me.
I can put the TD in an aluminium belt case and it's not really in the way. the HD may be thou....I need to do more homework first

I have a diamond1, my hubby has a diamond2, and as i really like the looks and size of diamond1 alot more, i also have to admit that the diamond2 is a much more up to date device, it's way faster (processor), has no storage limitations (card slot) and is alot less damage sensitive (diamond1 screen is full of scratches).
Yes, the diamond2 is bigger, but the bigger screen really has advantages (surfing, calender use, input etc..) and i must admit too that TF3D works alot smoother outta the box with diamond2.
Tx to this site i managed to upgrade my diamond1 to a higher standard so it still suits my needs, but i keep bumping in to memory problems (RAM and storage) every now and then, where the diamond2 has no problems at all.
Diamond2 runs even smoother with the newer cooked ROMS (even the ones with all the Leo stuff in it).
I would definitaly choose the diamond2 above the diamond1, but plz don't tell my hubby

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I have a diamond1, my hubby has a diamond2, and as i really like the looks and size of diamond1 alot more, i also have to admit that the diamond2 is a much more up to date device, it's way faster (processor), has no storage limitations (card slot) and is alot less damage sensitive
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The processor of the diamond2 and diamond is 100% the same... The only speed differences can be because of the RAM or interface...
The card slot I'll give you, but speed? A diamond with a basic stripped rom and manilla 2.1 is at least as fast as a stock diamond2, if not faster.

I prefer Diamond II than Diamond I which has
+ Better battery
+ Expansion card slot
+ Bigger screen
+ Reservered ( I haven't got it yet )
I'll take Diamond II when I have chance.

hmmm.....can i justify the expense it's in really good nic and my beloved 3700 is looking a bit worse for wear ...

I love my Diamond but it has it's disadvantages like a shortage of RAM, although the Diamond II does have more RAM it wouldn't make sense for me personally to upgrade to a Diamond II (both have basically the same hardware). I'm due for an upgrade next week and thought that it would be best to upgrade to the Touch HD2 but since it's not available in my country yet I opted to go for the Touch Pro 2 since it has some nice features that the Diamond II does not have... and offcourse a nice big slide out keyboard! The fact that the Diamond II has a 5mp camera and the Touch Pro 2 only a 3.2mp one doesn't matter much to me as well since I barely use it in any case.

It's difficult to add more to what has already been said for the advantages of the Diamond 2 over the Diamond 1.
Recap:
• way better camera
• way better screen
• way better memory (Ram & Rom)
• better battery consumption
• better construction build
• despite the CPU's are identical in specs. Diamond 2 CPU is been rated faster then original diamond
Bonus:
• if you have a great price it's a no brainier as the original Diamond can only compete if lighter weight and smaller size was a priority.
If it had a 3.5mm Jack, heck I think I would trade in my HD for it....

dtechnology said:
The processor of the diamond2 and diamond is 100% the same... The only speed differences can be because of the RAM or interface...
The card slot I'll give you, but speed? A diamond with a basic stripped rom and manilla 2.1 is at least as fast as a stock diamond2, if not faster.
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You're right, i didn't know the processor was the same (only different last digit in specs and rated just a tinytiny bit faster), and i'm comparing them running both on WM6.5 with Sense 2.5, that's not fair towards the good ol' diamond1

I've been thinking about what to upgrade to myself actually. I'm not really willing to pay for a phone offline- so have to restrict myself to the upgrade options available on T-Mobile UK.
The obvious choice would be the HD2 but just thinking it is just that too big, especially going from a Diamond (?)
I dont see the Vario V (HTC Rhodium/TP2) on T-Mobile UK site, anyone if they still do it?
I agree with others that the Diamond2 probably wouldnt be worth it. Saying that, if the price you are getting it at is really cheap then it could be an option; you could always sell off your Diamond. But I'm definitely not about to 'waste' my upgrade on the Diamond2
With the latest ROMs around at the moment, the Diamond barely manages to cope (WM 6.5.x with Sense 2.5 for example).

dtechnology is correct
its just down to personal choice to be fair