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Please Mr.Developer type genius people,
Us Touch Pro 2 users are desperate like you can only imagine to get Android on our phones so PLEASE apply your humungous brain power to the task and earn yourself a fortune as we are WILLING to pay vast sums of cash and there seems to be a lot of us so make some money instead of keep putting out 6.5 after 6.5 of which HTC are doing it anyway next month.
We're begging you!!!
It's a good idea, but given the task of writing drivers, api, and interfacing with the hardware, it might be a task that is just too tall. Keep in mind that most of that info (proprietary hardware info) isn't readily accessible, anyway. It would be nice, but I wouldn't get my hopes up.
I would love android on this phone as much as the next guy....
But what he said..
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It's a good idea, but given the task of writing drivers, api, and interfacing with the hardware, it might be a task that is just too tall. Keep in mind that most of that info (proprietary hardware info) isn't readily accessible, anyway. It would be nice, but I wouldn't get my hopes up.
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I don't like android, and would perfer these guys to concentrate on making the best possible Winmo Rom's they can...
Htc has a devices on that run Android, equal to or better then the tp2
i don want to buy Hero just to try the android
if it is already running on other htc deives so why they cant make it in the TP2
It's a good idea, but given the task of writing drivers, api, and interfacing with the hardware, it might be a task that is just too tall. Keep in mind that most of that info (proprietary hardware info) isn't readily accessible, anyway. It would be nice, but I wouldn't get my hopes up.
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I've had an iPhone, a G1, and now a TP2.
Android cannot come CLOSE to the functionality of a Windows Mobile Phone. Before this TP2, I had a rooted G1. In order for you to do anything of value on the phone, you had to root it. That immediately puts you in jeopardy of bricking the phone and voiding the 1 year warranty.
It has some nice features but until Oct 10th with the Flash update, it is SEVERELY limited. Video playback is limited to general mobile playback formats because there's not too many video players. On WinMo, you can use CorePlayer to pretty much play whatever you want.
Android, while open-sourced, out of the box is pretty limited. Hero has a nice UI but the quality of the phones and the out of the box limitations make it more like the iPhone. Even after adding custom roms, the interface doesn't drastically change. It still has the same type of structure...just expanded with crisper graphics and fancier widgets. However, with those additional improvements, the operating system suffers because the phones don't really have sufficient enough memory to push the OS which ends up killing your battery and leaves you with sluggish performance.
Trust me when I say, you're not missing anything big. I was reluctant to give up my rooted phone with tons of apps and a custom rom...but even that phone with its extended battery can't stand up to the OUT OF THE BOX capabilities of a Windows Mobile device.
If you want something like the iPhone...I can understand it but be prepared to be pissed off and disappointed.
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Let me put it to you real plain.
Android cannot come CLOSE to the functionality of a Windows Mobile Phone. Before this TP2, I had a rooted G1. In order for you to do anything of value on the phone, you had to root it. That immediately puts you in jeopardy of bricking the phone and voiding the 1 year warranty.
It has some nice features but until Oct 10th with the Flash update, it is SEVERELY limited. Video playback is limited to general mobile playback modes because there's not too many video players. On WinMo, you can use CorePlayer to pretty much play whatever you want.
Android, while open-sourced, out of the box is pretty limited. Hero has a nice UI but the quality of the phones and the out of the box limitations make it more like the iPhone.
Trust me when I say, you're not missing anything big. I was reluctant to give up my rooted phone with tons of apps and a custom rom...but even that phone with its extended battery can't stand up to the OUT OF THE BOX capabilities of a Windows Mobile device.
If you want something like the iPhone...I can understand it but be prepared to be pissed off and disappointed.
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I completely agree..
I have used my friends G1, and his MyTouch. The only reason I say I would like to have a port for the TP2 is because of the posibilities for that platform down the road. I wouldn't trade my TP2 for a MyTouch ever, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't like to mess around with Android on my TP2 for a few days.
I just wish WM7 would get here already!!
As far is i know Android doesn't support (W)VGA yet. Only QVGA and HVGA, so what's the use. I prefer WM over Android anyway.
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I've had an iPhone, a G1, and now a TP2.
Android cannot come CLOSE to the functionality of a Windows Mobile Phone. Before this TP2, I had a rooted G1. In order for you to do anything of value on the phone, you had to root it. That immediately puts you in jeopardy of bricking the phone and voiding the 1 year warranty.
It has some nice features but until Oct 10th with the Flash update, it is SEVERELY limited. Video playback is limited to general mobile playback formats because there's not too many video players. On WinMo, you can use CorePlayer to pretty much play whatever you want.
Android, while open-sourced, out of the box is pretty limited. Hero has a nice UI but the quality of the phones and the out of the box limitations make it more like the iPhone. Even after adding custom roms, the interface doesn't drastically change. It still has the same type of structure...just expanded with crisper graphics and fancier widgets. However, with those additional improvements, the operating system suffers because the phones don't really have sufficient enough memory to push the OS which ends up killing your battery and leaves you with sluggish performance.
Trust me when I say, you're not missing anything big. I was reluctant to give up my rooted phone with tons of apps and a custom rom...but even that phone with its extended battery can't stand up to the OUT OF THE BOX capabilities of a Windows Mobile device.
If you want something like the iPhone...I can understand it but be prepared to be pissed off and disappointed.
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True True!! the rest are just accessories the WinMo Device is the Main Attraction in my book...
I rather like WM. Android would be OK but I think I'd rather stay WM on my tp2.
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I rather like WM. Android would be OK but I think I'd rather stay WM on my tp2.
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Plus, once the WM Market Place opens on Oct 6th (?), it will really even the playing field. If only WM had the "multiple desktop screens" like Android, there wouldn't be *that* much difference.
I got a call from Vodafone that they could offer me the Hero with all the nice bonusses of discount and all.
Still I chose to drop my vodafone provider for another more expensive provider to get the HTC TP2.
Why,....because it has windows mobile on it and it supports most applications I'm using.
So for me, the entire android might as wel dissapear from the face of the earth.
I do like the effort from google to create a new operating system for phone and eventually for desktop, but even though I complain a lot about windows, I still favour it.
This has primarily something to do with the customizability of windows and the applications that are being sold for it.
one of my favourites for example is MLO http://www.mylifeorganized.net/
I have not seen a program like this for Android.
I would love Android running on the TP2 but as time has gone on I realized WM has its merits and that having both is great. My TP2 is amazing for its tv-out and large high resolution screen and what I feel is the best qwerty keyboard out there. My g1 is great for the game emulators and its web browser and that capacitive screen. Honestly if someone said your going to a desert island and asked which I would take I would go TP2 no doubt. Plus the true benefit of android is its market(and its open source i guess) which WM is getting soon. So ya I would fork out some money if it meant getting it to work but I think after the market gets going the desire to see it will fade.
I've had the phone for over 24 hours now, well two devices as the first one was faulty, so trust me this isn't biased lol. But, I can tell you that Microsoft has definitely gone in the right direction with this OS. Even though I was a tremendous Windows Mobile fan boy, it just didn't feel efficient or enjoyable towards the end. We needed UI enhancements and the amazing work of some talented chefs in order to have the urge to use our phones daily. Applications ran slowly, phones were constantly freezing, and the general public just didn't want that occurring on a $500 device. And though this is one of my gripes about Windows Phone, the ability to access your storage through a file explorer was truly a headache when it came to a general user. Though, with that being said, I do hope they add some "documents" interface to Zune and allow us to place our files on an accessible location...
But this operating system has the ability to be flawless. Microsoft's iron fist allows for the experience to be enjoyable. I don't need to worry about the newest version of Sense not running on my device and I definitely don't need to worry about a 1ghz processor struggling due to horrible code. I do miss my ability to access EVERYTHING, and I mean everything...I've been on this forum since my Dash, so I consider myself an addict at this point. But, this is by far the fastest Windows device I have ever come across, hands down, and it's a breath of fresh air.
My biggest problem with our community, myself included, is that we often forget that this is version 1.0 of the OS...think about that people, 1.0...and yet we have a decent app store, with an amazing OS, feature incomplete though. The features will come, but I rather have the OS now, missing features, than have to wait for it...I can tell you that this will definitely be a game changer. I have little doubt that microsoft will listen to our requests and implement the majority of what we're asking...with the exception of the obvious, such as root access and the ability to completely screw up your phone, like some of you are so hell bent on doing while accessing everything.
The random hiccups of black screens while switching back from programs, and other minor problems I've encountered I'm sure will be ironed out, but we need to make sure these don't cloud our judgment. Whether you become a fan or not, I wish most of you would just realize that Windows Phone on the HD7 is probably the best thing we could have hoped for, and I'm looking forward to the future of this phone and operating system. This device also feels amazing...not sure where the build quality questions came from, I don't even have the pink camera issue...it's a much better feel in my hand than my HD2. I thought of putting this in the WP7 general, but since my thoughts are based on my device, thought I'd keep it here...
I agree 100%. The phone is not all-the-way complete yet, but I can honestly say I am very impressed. If the few tweaks are made here and there (e.g. visual voicemail, extended settings, file system, sideload apps, etc.) we could have the best OS of them all.
I cannot understate the elegance and beauty of this device and OS. It is sooo smooth - this is what the mobile experience should be. Some complain about no Multitasking, but I am not one of them. In fact I think it kills battery and can cause major problems. Plus it's mobile phone! How many tasks do I need to do at once? One!
Anyway, I'm loving it so far - even though I'd like to make some simple changes like searching the marketplace for apps only and leaving music out of the results.
BTW- the Market is coming along nicely. Pretty good selection to far.
It's simple and beautiful. Or simply-beautiful
I agree. I love my EVO, not a fan of my DROID X and can't stand the lag of the Samsung Fascinate.
I picked up the HD7 recently while waiting for the Dell Venue Pro to release. I cannot stress how smooth the OS really is. I have tweaked and tuned and spent countless hours on ROM loads with my EVO all the find out they are very good but are always in need of tuning. Perhaps some of that is due to my constant reading of these forums and seeing updates
I know some have said no Unified Messaging. I rarely use it just like cut and paste.
I wish they would have persistent notication icons on the top bar. That would be nice. I received an update on the Marketplace and didn't realize it was there until I scrolled down. The updates are nice though.
I can say that I am very happy with some of the well known APPS. They seem to be better looking than IPHONES or ANDROIDS. Shazam is nice with the Zune button/integration feature. Huffington Post needs to fix the text but it is very nice. AP News etc. The APPS seems to be more robust when they follow the Metro UI theme.
Need a bigger battery for the HD7. It is not bad but could be much better with a 1500mAH or 1700mAH. I am checking my sources for them now.
It is worth the look people who are on the fence.
I agree I have used every OS out there and this one has the most potential I think. I also picked up the Hd7 Waiting on the Venue Pro but will keep both cause the HD7 Is a fantastic device.
I am 100% with the op, this is version 1.0 and it is a very good start, the os is buttery smooth and intuitive to use, MS have got this one right!
Hi guys, I currently own a G2 (That I love) and you can see my device history in my sig, which clearly states that I'm an android fan.
However, I always love to try new things, and I'm really liking the simplicity of WP7 as well as the Zune music player.
So I was thinking, the HD7 is damn cheap on eBay right now, why not get one?
Please leave below why I should or should not get an HD7 to use along side my G2 (not at the same time of course).
Thanks!
(this thread is meant to be a reference for future buyers as well, so be critical!)
I am a Android user since the G1 as well. Since 2008: G1, MT3G, iPhone, HD2, Nexus One, HD2 (again) running Android, BB9700, Vibrant, MT4G now a HD7. So you can see we have similar experience.
That being said the HD7 is far better than any Android in the refinement/smoothness/response of the OS. As soon as you leave the native OS however that goes away. I have not found one app from the market that performs like the rest of the phone does. The market apps are slow, gittery and at this point not the most rewarding experience.
I am confident issues like these will improve with time; I am sure you remember looking at a black screen on the G1 alot of the time.
WP7 is a breeze to use and I actually like it. The keyboard is the best I have used period. WP7 is missing alot of key features but for a brand new OS that has been out only a couple months it is pretty good, much better than Android was in Oct 2008, remember waiting for "Cupcake"?
WP7 is due for a couple updates in the first half of 2011, I anticipate some major improvements if Microsoft plans of capturing market share.
So to answer your question should you get one? I would, thats exactly what I did. The Zune integration is great and if you like games XBOX is all over this phone. WP7 is Microsoft's iOS, it has its own eco system which makes for a nice experience.
i really really want to buy hd7 but i really really want atleast the ability to transfer photos by bluetooth... rest of the cons can be neglected as far as i am concerned. but i will wait for new devices and updates to the software. currently it can be said that hd7 is not the very best of the lot. its better to wait. rest depends from person to person
Love my HD7 too. Though I must admit I also miss my HD2
Looks pretty positive. Polar opposites of what the reviewers said.
I think WP7 has potential. I remember on the G1 how ridiculously awful every application was.
It will be great with an update.
I have been with t mobile for years. I have used a iphone, a g1, nexus one, hd2, and now on the hd7. I miss some things like, copy and paste, custom ringtones, and tethering, but I like the user interface better than anything I have used so far. I think an update, which is rumored to be hitting next month (1/11), would hopefully bring some of these things to the software and that will really make this phone tops in its class.
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Hi guys, I currently own a G2 (That I love) and you can see my device history in my sig, which clearly states that I'm an android fan.
However, I always love to try new things, and I'm really liking the simplicity of WP7 as well as the Zune music player.
So I was thinking, the HD7 is damn cheap on eBay right now, why not get one?
Please leave below why I should or should not get an HD7 to use along side my G2 (not at the same time of course).
Thanks!
(this thread is meant to be a reference for future buyers as well, so be critical!)
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I really like the phone. The OS makes it feel like an "adult" phone to me. I am coming from an iPhone 4 and Samsung Vibrant. I also like the aesthetics of the phone as well, although I am trying to see if I could ever get a peek at the Dell Venue Pro in person...
The only things I am missing are: Wifi calling and tethering.
Annoyances are: lack of skype, lack of twitter integration in the People hub, and inability to sync multiple Google Calendars.
However, I am more than happy to work around those things and I am enjoying the phone immensely. I am getting poor battery life, but I think that's because it's fresh eye candy and I'm playing with the phone alot.
Also, the Zune Pass saved me from buying two trashy albums already!!!
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I really like the phone. The OS makes it feel like an "adult" phone to me. I am coming from an iPhone 4 and Samsung Vibrant. I also like the aesthetics of the phone as well, although I am trying to see if I could ever get a peek at the Dell Venue Pro in person...
The only things I am missing are: Wifi calling and tethering.
Annoyances are: lack of skype, lack of twitter integration in the People hub, and inability to sync multiple Google Calendars.
However, I am more than happy to work around those things and I am enjoying the phone immensely. I am getting poor battery life, but I think that's because it's fresh eye candy and I'm playing with the phone alot.
Also, the Zune Pass saved me from buying two trashy albums already!!!
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Wow, sounds awesome, as I don't use those things.
The Venue Pro is a POS by the way. I used one at my Microsoft store and it was just terrible. It really felt like plastic. I'm sure you know what I mean if you're coming from a vibrant.
The hinge was pretty bad too. And the keyboard wasn't very nice. Plus, it looks awkward as hell.
Similar thread with poll already exist
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9353155&postcount=1
I really like my hd7 and windows phone 7 because it fits my needs and daily usage. I mean yeah, it lacks a few things such as copy and paste, tethering and multitasking but what a lot of people don't understand that this a fresh, brand new operating system still in its infancy and with Microsoft's big updates coming next month and etc, I think that wp7 will give Android and IOS a run for its money. As for my personal opinion, my hd7 is fast and I can't wait for the upcoming update. Plus everything works out of the box. The email syncing is great, Facebook integration is amazing and the marketplace is really evolving. I have all the apps I really need and they were free.
The hd7 itself feels really sturdy and has a great build quality to it. I don't really care for the camera because I have my canon 5d mark II for that.
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Wow, sounds awesome, as I don't use those things.
The Venue Pro is a POS by the way. I used one at my Microsoft store and it was just terrible. It really felt like plastic. I'm sure you know what I mean if you're coming from a vibrant.
The hinge was pretty bad too. And the keyboard wasn't very nice. Plus, it looks awkward as hell.
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*lol* Thanks for the input... I've read differently in the reviews, but if it's anything close to the Vibrant, you're right, I want NO part of it... The RAM controversy with it is driving me away also... so we'll see.....
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not similar at all. sorry.
i think the phone is worth it. I prefer it to android and ios simply because it is more visually elegant. the one thing that i really appreciate is the integration. All i did was log into gmail, facebook and live and the phone combined all my contacts correctly. there were a dozen names i had to manually set but that was due to them appearing as different contacts (i.e. different names and details).
There are a lot missing but what is there is delightful.
3rd party apps are hit and miss. Alot are not as elegant but some, like nyt app, are really elegant. my initial fear that most developers would not understand the design convention and principles seem to have been true; so far. Metro UI/design is much more abstract than the android/ios designs; which tend to be much more literal.
If you are into taking pictures with your phone, this phone is not the phone for you. If you can deal with blurry pictures it is a great phone
I miss Android only for it's amount of apps but this phone is the best to me on tmobile
What it lacks in functionality it makes up twice as more in User experience
and once it's functionality is onpar with Android, it will be even better
HTC HD7
hey guys just placed my order for it.. should be in my hands in a couple of days.. really excited cos its my first windows phone rather than the a wp7 for that matter. i have been using a galaxy s from the past 4 months and got fed up of delayed updates.. and the whole fragmented system.. The metro UI although new looks more mature and more like one piece. Was actually waiting for a UI overhaul in Gingerbread but seems like that will appear in honeycomb.. but that still is no match fr WP7.. Btw i know this is a bit off topic but have any off you guys have any problems with the touch sensitivity of the screen of the HD7?
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hey guys just placed my order for it.. should be in my hands in a couple of days.. really excited cos its my first windows phone rather than the a wp7 for that matter. i have been using a galaxy s from the past 4 months and got fed up of delayed updates.. and the whole fragmented system.. The metro UI although new looks more mature and more like one piece. Was actually waiting for a UI overhaul in Gingerbread but seems like that will appear in honeycomb.. but that still is no match fr WP7.. Btw i know this is a bit off topic but have any off you guys have any problems with the touch sensitivity of the screen of the HD7?
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I have a problem with the program 'moBudget' in which there is a tiny 8pt font link that I have trouble getting to... But other than that, I haven't noticed many problems; although, I am certain I've had to double tap somethings since I have had the phone. Overall, probably 8/10...
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I have a problem with the program 'moBudget' in which there is a tiny 8pt font link that I have trouble getting to... But other than that, I haven't noticed many problems; although, I am certain I've had to double tap somethings since I have had the phone. Overall, probably 8/10...
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Cool thanks. hope all goes good with piece that i ordered
I posted this on another board a few days ago... Comparing a Desire HD to a HD7
Bought a Desire HD yesterday (£240 brand new from CEX - traded some stuff in) seems pretty nice, seems like an improvement over the Desire - some nice little tweaks across the whole Sense experiance.
Strangely my problem is not with the Desire HD itself, its with Andriod. Last month I had a WP7 - HD7 land in my lap. They are pretty much the same unit (except for the camera) same form factor with some different button placement. In recent months i've been taking a step back from my whole "Smartphone" experinence. Re evaluating what i use it for and how i use it.
Essentials:
PIM functions (calendar, mail etc)
A bit of Gaming
Access to the news (tech, local, National, International, Gaming, entertainment etc)
Music & Media
As long as i have those i'm happy. Its all well and good having 1,000,000 apps but if you only use 5 its pretty pointless. So what you need to know is do they have the ones you want?
My first impression of the DHD was what the hell did HTC do with the cover at the back? It doesn't fit properly. Its not flush at the sides - the Engadget review mentions it too so its not just my example. Seems a shame that after designing a beautiful flagship device you let it down with something so minor. Other than that though its pretty nice.
Once i turned it on i was impressed by the speed - how quick does this baby boot!! However, after that my problems returned. Problems might be the wrong word here, what struck me was the complexity of the Robot after a almost a month with WP7. Andriod feels bloated and fat and the handset can be a little sluggish at times which concidering the speed of the CPU is a disappointment. It took me a while to get it setup as i like it, so its now almost a a carbon copy of my old Desire (only its not rooted yet). WP7 "Metro UI" is like a breath of fresh air compared to Andriod. After all Andriod is pretty much iOS (minus the widgets) 4x4 icons across several screens with app icons to press. Granted the intergation of the OS is much more pronounced than iOS which is just an app launcher at the end day and works in Andriods favour, however it can make it an unweldy beast to setup. Metro works on an almost 3D layed effect using different images that scroll at different speeds. Its hard to explain you have ot se it. the IMDb app is beautiful to look at and looks better than any other version odf it i've seen. There is a lot of potential in "Metro". I will offer a word of caution though. It can have the habit of chopping of the end of words in some menus, your eiher going to like this or hate it.
WP7 is a breeze to setup but thats because there isn't much to setup. Instead of the usual "4x4" arrangment and screens that move left to right (or vice versa) WP7 opts for a vertical menu that is as long as you want it to be. instead of icons they arte callled "tiles" and some of them are "live tiles". This means that they constntly update with info. For example, if you place a contact tile on ou homescreen it will show a picture of them and their latest facebook update. You can add tiles for apps, contacts, albums, artists. Its a very nice way of doing things slightly differently from iOS and Andriod.
The one thing that Andriod does very badly is Music, yes it has lots of good music players but syncing music/podcasts etc is a pain compered to the iPhone. WP7 doesn't have this problem as it uses "Zune" and the streaming music service and it is lovely, very easy to use and very fast and is present across my whole network. The intergration with my PC, existing music collection and my Xbox 360 is pretty seemless. Andriod cant compete with that i'm afriad. I'd even go as far to say that anyone using a Windows PC would benefit from this over using iTunes and an iPhone 4. iTunes was always a dog on a PC. Zune is a very competent peice of software. It's fast and very easy to use, is fully featured and easily ass good at iTunes in terms of functionality.
It would be unfair not to mention "GAMING". The "Xbox Live" brand will have this one nailed in a very short space of time. The games i have so far are excellent, yes some of them have cost me money but hey you get what you pay for. Its been a buzz to get "Achievements" on the train on the way to work. Andriod is hampered by the broad tech base of the handsets - different resolutions etc.
So App stores? the Andriod market is dauting place i think most of us would agree it has a lot of diamonds in the rough and a lot of rubbish apps but i guess thats the nature of "open source". But it has most of the things you want. The WP7 "marketplace" is growing at around 150 apps a day and i have to say some of them are pretty impressive. Because M$ have choosen to follow apple with the walled garden approach the quality of the apps is very good. Its still got a very long way to go but what i've seen so far the quality will be threre
WP7 has a number of week spots mostly around calendars and PIM fuctions that are not good as Andriod, but that said i am a "Google" user I was disappointed to find out that the calendar cant handle multiple calendars (i had 11 different ones covering different aspects of my life) I'm sure they will fix this an fure updates as "outlook" calendars already work. I'm not sure if i will keep the DHD at this stage as i'm missing the simplicity of WP7 and its intergration with my home network/PC and xbox live. Its a very nice device but im not sure, i think M$ may have just won me back.
Before it came out i was very dismissive of WP7 "why are M$ bothering" "it will be rubbish". I was wrong, very wrong. Botton line, this is the best OS first release of an OS I've seen. It feels far more complete than either early Andriod or iPhone releases. Its an excellent effort. However, it still go some way to go before it catches up with iOS or the Robot. It will be one to watch in the coming years, be real interesting to see what its like in a couple of years.
I think discusing the hardware is a bit of moot point but if i had to pick, i'd like WP7 on the DHD hardware - the DHD is without doubt one of the finest peices of hardware i've ever used, its beautiful, i can see why DHD owners are so happy with it.
I predicted sometime ago that Andriod WILL be the dominant phone OS and see no reason to change that prediction. Wheather WP7 can catch up to iOS is hugely debatable going forward but this is a very solid start and i am totally smitten with it, there is a lot to love and even more to like. It nice to know that i will never have to install iTunes again as i have TWO solid choices for smartphone OS other than the dreaded fruit mobile and the guy with only one set of clothes.
I dont think its the finished article by a long way. But it really does show great promise. Indeed, right now i have HD7 and DHD on my desk and my chosen daily phone is the WP7 device. In many areas nowhere near as good as Andriod but I can overlook them because i just love how it works, it feels light and nimble to use. I dont want anyone to think i have a downer on the DHD or Andriod I love them both. But right now its WP7 thats floating my boat. Its going to be interesting to watch it develop in the coming years.
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Im in the same boat. Im a big Android guy but I love the look and feel of WP7. Every time i pass by the tmobile store i stop in and play with the HD7. Just saw one on craigslist for a good price, think i might finally dive in.
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Im in the same boat. Im a big Android guy but I love the look and feel of WP7. Every time i pass by the tmobile store i stop in and play with the HD7. Just saw one on craigslist for a good price, think i might finally dive in.
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same...my G2 is great but WP7 is so sexy
Ive been seriously looking at the WP7 series and I'm curious to hear from real-world users who have been in the same boat as me. I've been an Android person for the past year now and as much as I like Android, I like to keep my options open too!
So tell me - why did YOU switch from Android to WP7 and would you do it again if you had the chance ?
I've been playing with WP7, mostly to see what "the other side" has been up to. I've had WinCE devices going back to the 1.x days, and always loved it, but trying to cram a desktop OS into a hand-held device always seemed awkward.
I got an iPhone and loved it for a couple of years, but got handed a G1 and fell in love with the potential that Android represented. It wasn't quite "there" yet, so I switched back and forth from Android to iOS and back for a good year before settling full-time with Android on my Nexus One.
Now I've got a Nexus-S and I love it, but I was able to play with a WP7 device in the form of the HD7, and I really like it, however...
Coming from Android, Google's services, search, GMail, and Maps, are so much better in ability than Bing, Hotmail, and Bing Maps that I missed my Nexus S. I love the user-interface of WP7, and hope that it evolves a bit more.
WP7's approach to real-time usability is great. Apps are smooth and clean, and much less jerky than Android apps seem to be at times. The OS seems well suited to doing one thing at a time, really well. I wish Android was better at maintaining higher priority for foreground apps, instead of making things choppy with garbage-collection.
If you have a chance to wait until the January (now February) update happens, I would. Things could get much better for WP7 very soon, but who knows? I'm keeping my options open.
the biggest disappointment is in Bing and Zune services. Since their not available in Ireland. The prolonged wait for update kinda adds up too
Though otherwise than that its all ok
I had a HD2 with Android and reason why i sold it because once i played with WP7 i felt that Androids UI was so boring.
Games on WP7 are much better too than Android. Alot of devs from iPhone have hopped aboard.
Anyone else? This is good stuff! Keep it coming!
I still use my android from day to day. They se the best overall in terms of a combination of things such as features and useability. Tho WP7 has a slick UI its missing things like the gmail intergration and Google maps, but it has a music client that's not as good as iTunes. Then there is iOS, its great, easy to use, simple, and reliable, at the end of the day that's what makes IOS sell, just like variety is what makes android sell. For WP7 to catch up they need to release a groundbreaker, something that blows the competition away spec wise. I played with a Samsung WP7 At att the other day while stopping in to see an old friend, windows on a phone has came a long way since WinMo6.5. I will say that. It just depends on what u want at the end of the day
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I think you should check this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=900747
i move to wp7, because i simple hates its lag and UI..
I've been an Android user since the G1 days and this may sound stupid, but the main reasons i switched is because Android is FAR too customizable. To some, that can be a bad thing. I found myself changing themes, layouts, icon sets, etc.. way more than i should, which took up far too much time in my day. I never really had a feeling of satisfaction with Android. Thats the first thing. The second thing is the force closures and the occasional lag (I came from a G2 so it definitely wasn't my device) Android is an awesome platform, however, I still feel like its something Google just slapped together, even if thats not the case. the third thing is its lack of consistency. like i said earlier, i customized my ROMs a lot. My home screens, icon sets, fonts, and launcher theme all were consistent. Then when you open an app (the dialer for example) its a whole different look. This may not bother some people but it bothered me quite a bit and im sure im not the only one. Im not saying WP7 is perfect because its far from that. BUT i love the consistency throughout the platform, even when you download apps from the market, most of them seem to follow that metro UI interface. the fact that its customization is limited to tile placement and color gives me a sense of satisfaction knowing that there is no other way you could have it, which means less time trying to get it the way you want it. I also love the smoothness as well. the fact that it does not support multi tasking has yet to bother me as I never really do more than one thing on my phone anyway. I am, however, frustrated with the lack of copy/paste (which will be fixed soon) and lets not forget the dreadful marketplace which locks up randomly causing users to reboot. I also am disappointed in Bing maps. i would much rather prefer to use Google maps. its just easier. The only thing i can truly say i miss from Android is the WIFI calling. I spend most of my time in my basement. I hardly get signal except for one corner. at the end of the day, i am happier with WP7 because of its simplicity, performance, and ease of use as well as its "polished" feel.
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I've been an Android user since the G1 days and this may sound stupid, but the main reasons i switched is because Android is FAR too customizable. To some, that can be a bad thing. I found myself changing themes, layouts, icon sets, etc.. way more than i should, which took up far too much time in my day.
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I'm glad I am not the only one who actually finds that Android is TOO customizable. I find myself spending hours each day fiddling with it!
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I'm glad I am not the only one who actually finds that Android is TOO customizable. I find myself spending hours each day fiddling with it!
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Lol, I'm glad you can see where I'm coming from
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I think you should check this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=900747
i move to wp7, because i simple hates its lag and UI..
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me same like u.been use nexus one for a year.tired about android.but maybe will switch back to android again who know..
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...the third thing is its lack of consistency. like i said earlier, i customized my ROMs a lot. My home screens, icon sets, fonts, and launcher theme all were consistent. Then when you open an app (the dialer for example) its a whole different look. This may not bother some people but it bothered me quite a bit and im sure im not the only one...
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Okay, this is not directed toward you at all, but all of this sounds very familiar and it kinda explains a lot about what people's issues MIGHT be with WP7.
Everything you said is Windows Mobile all over again, and that is not a bad thing at all. I loved WM, and it's versatility IMO were what made it so great. So much about Android screams WM to me.
I come to these forums and I see people crying like little girls over and over about what WP7 doesn't do, have, etc and it just makes me feel like they want a super updated WM device. They want the absolute best of the best that WM has to offer... but they want it out of WP7. I see their issues, but this is a completely different device all together, and to ask it to be WM is kinda ignorant. So to those people I think they should run to Android and call it a day.
While I'm on this rant (and hella off-topic) I see a lot of short term memories when people start to cying about WP. It doesn't have this, and that like Android and ios. Wait a minute... everything you want, and they FINALLY have has been in WM for YEARS. None of this started with the new-booty competition. If MS didn't let me down with WM I doubt I'll be let down by WP7.. and so far I'm about as happy as I can be with a mobile device.
Once again, not directed toward you specifically, but you brought up some things that I've been thinking about.
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Okay, this is not directed toward you at all, but all of this sounds very familiar and it kinda explains a lot about what people's issues MIGHT be with WP7.
Everything you said is Windows Mobile all over again, and that is not a bad thing at all. I loved WM, and it's versatility IMO were what made it so great. So much about Android screams WM to me.
I come to these forums and I see people crying like little girls over and over about what WP7 doesn't do, have, etc and it just makes me feel like they want a super updated WM device. They want the absolute best of the best that WM has to offer... but they want it out of WP7. I see their issues, but this is a completely different device all together, and to ask it to be WM is kinda ignorant. So to those people I think they should run to Android and call it a day.
While I'm on this rant (and hella off-topic) I see a lot of short term memories when people start to cying about WP. It doesn't have this, and that like Android and ios. Wait a minute... everything you want, and they FINALLY have has been in WM for YEARS. None of this started with the new-booty competition. If MS didn't let me down with WM I doubt I'll be let down by WP7.. and so far I'm about as happy as I can be with a mobile device.
Once again, not directed toward you specifically, but you brought up some things that I've been thinking about.
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Good points. I'm very happy with WP7 and it feels great to be off Android. The platform is still in its infancy and there is not a doubt in my mind that it will evolve and become even better than it already is. Of course, the evolution would just be added pluses.
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I've been an Android user since the G1 days and this may sound stupid, but the main reasons i switched is because Android is FAR too customizable. To some, that can be a bad thing. I found myself changing themes, layouts, icon sets, etc.. way more than i should, which took up far too much time in my day. I never really had a feeling of satisfaction with Android. Thats the first thing. The second thing is the force closures and the occasional lag (I came from a G2 so it definitely wasn't my device) Android is an awesome platform, however, I still feel like its something Google just slapped together, even if thats not the case. the third thing is its lack of consistency. like i said earlier, i customized my ROMs a lot. My home screens, icon sets, fonts, and launcher theme all were consistent. Then when you open an app (the dialer for example) its a whole different look. This may not bother some people but it bothered me quite a bit and im sure im not the only one. Im not saying WP7 is perfect because its far from that. BUT i love the consistency throughout the platform, even when you download apps from the market, most of them seem to follow that metro UI interface. the fact that its customization is limited to tile placement and color gives me a sense of satisfaction knowing that there is no other way you could have it, which means less time trying to get it the way you want it. I also love the smoothness as well. the fact that it does not support multi tasking has yet to bother me as I never really do more than one thing on my phone anyway. I am, however, frustrated with the lack of copy/paste (which will be fixed soon) and lets not forget the dreadful marketplace which locks up randomly causing users to reboot. I also am disappointed in Bing maps. i would much rather prefer to use Google maps. its just easier. The only thing i can truly say i miss from Android is the WIFI calling. I spend most of my time in my basement. I hardly get signal except for one corner. at the end of the day, i am happier with WP7 because of its simplicity, performance, and ease of use as well as its "polished" feel.
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couldnt have said it better myself
what ticked me off about android was the overall inconsistancy in both looks and performance, and until now that i own a wp7 device, i never understood by what ios and webos users said when they called it "clunky". now if i see what i saw in the honeycomb demo come in some way or form to smartphones (awesome graphical interface, ease of multitasking, and overall polish and consistantcy) i will come back in no time. but untill then, thanks to the mess that is software updates for android. the only one i would consider is a nexus device, and i dont plan on jumping through hoops to get one till i see the update and basic overhaul it needs. im perfectly happy with my hd7
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Ive been seriously looking at the WP7 series and I'm curious to hear from real-world users who have been in the same boat as me. I've been an Android person for the past year now and as much as I like Android, I like to keep my options open too!
So tell me - why did YOU switch from Android to WP7 and would you do it again if you had the chance ?
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Been using Android for almost a year now..through work I'm getting newer Android and newer WP7 devices. It started with the Desire Z (G2) and the LG Optimus Quantum.
I don't care how pretty your OS is, there's no love for that phone. It's a piece of crap regular phone loaded with a smartphone OS. Absolute trash, my SIM sat in it for a day, and sadly because of the lack of usability on the device (size, build, LG..) I couldn't give WP7 a fair chance.
However, recently got the HD7 and a certain dual core device, and I can't make a decision. I personally love customization, so Android is literally endless and fresh to me. However, I'm a huge Hotmail supporter (GMail isn't that great, there's a reason Hotmail is still number 1 webmail worldwide..) and firmly believe the Email application built into WP7 (the Hotmail one) looks better, works better, and - for me - is better than the GMail app ever will be. It looks slick, it works well, it's pretty, etc.
With the HD7, it's actually a device that can showboat the features of the OS - however, there's only like..two. Office, and these boring tiles. Yes, it's simple, yes, it's easy, if I wanted that, I'd use a laptop and a normal phone. I want complicated, I want to be able to do everything, which is why I still use Android. At the same time, there's something refreshing about WP7 and the simplicity, but I find entirely too often I go to do something, grab the HD7, find it's not available or built in, sigh, and pull out my Android device.
Another huge slam on WP7 is this micro SD bull****. I can drag and drop anything on any Android device, you're telling me it's that hard to let people use external storage?
No, because I use a Macbook (primary booting OS X) with W7, I'm forced to use W7 because there's one incredibly ****ty option for Mac syncing. I'd rather have a cluttered ass SD card with dragged files than EVER use WMP as my "media hub" or whatever. I don't use iPhoto. I use iTunes for organization, but that's it. However, if I want ANYTHING on my WP7 device, I'm forced to use these stupid Apple applications (and a beta app from Microsoft) I deleted because of massive bloat just to transfer stuff? Ridiculous. Build a frigging mount into it or let us use SD cards.
Sorry. That's a massive, massive frustration for me.
Anyways, that's my take. Android and WP7 are not on the same level. I see WP7 as a high end regular phone, and Android as an actual smartphone. I'm sure this opinion could change depending on the expansion of the OS and the Marketplace, but right now, the OS is way too young and has a serious "polished, but unfinished" feel to it. WP7 could be good and I could use it regularly..in a few years. Not now. I'm going to continue giving WP7 a try, as there are things that are impressing me.
For example, Bing Maps is definitely not as feature rich as Google Maps, but holy hell does it lock well. GMaps is only good if you can get a damn GPS lock, and people can say "oh, it's usually fine" but after a year I have to yet to see the GPS work nearly as well in any ROM or OS on Android compared to WP7, so props to them for getting that right. The Email is really nice (as a consistent Hotmail user) texting is pretty bland, the Contacts or People or whatever is totally convoluted and unnecessary, I don't know how they managed to complicate something so simple. If I wanted to see facebook, I'd open it. I just want my damn contact list. Android has perfected this as far as I'm concerned, as it's "Person --- Phone button to call" and that's all there needs to be. You can click their contact card to get more information if need be.
The marketplace needs some work, definitely needs more sections like the Android Market (Communications - Free / Paid, Whatever - Free / Paid) as opposed to just Free EVERYTHING, or mixed paid / free in sections. I definitely don't think the Android Market is perfect, but it's definitely more usable than the Windows Marketplace.
Hmm.. Internet Explorer is really nice, it works surprisingly well for a browser I haven't even looked at in almost 10 years. I was pleasantly surprised, I was dreading that I couldn't use anything else, but Microsoft did a great job. It looks nice, it's not exactly feature rich, but it's snappy, clean, and responsive.
The music / videos app is alright, nothing special but not definitely usable and looks good.
The fact that MSN Messenger was NOT included in the OS completely deadpanned me, how the hell do you forget what was at one point your bread and butter? It would literally be like Google forgetting GTalk, it wouldn't happen. I don't like the MSN application that is available has to resume every time the phone sleeps, waste of a good 10 seconds. Facebook works fine.. Phone is fine, the simplicity gets in the way of speakerphone and stuff if you forget what little tab they're under, but whatever, it works.
Calendar is GREAT, I love the way it's set up, it looks really good.
Microsoft Office is amazing...works really well.
I think I covered everything? I know I kind of went off in some areas, but just my opinions..
Oh, I miss having an actual wallpaper. I don't care if I couldn't see 90% of it, better than just black. Maybe I have a special someone I'd like to see as my wallpaper for more than the half a second it takes me to unlock my phone. Oh well.
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No, because I use a Macbook (primary booting OS X) with W7, I'm forced to use W7 because there's one incredibly ****ty option for Mac syncing. I'd rather have a cluttered ass SD card with dragged files than EVER use WMP as my "media hub" or whatever. I don't use iPhoto. I use iTunes for organization, but that's it. However, if I want ANYTHING on my WP7 device, I'm forced to use these stupid Apple applications (and a beta app from Microsoft) I deleted because of massive bloat just to transfer stuff? Ridiculous. Build a frigging mount into it or let us use SD cards.
Sorry. That's a massive, massive frustration for me.
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Zune works well for media once you get the hang of it, and since you like your Live account so much, utilize the SkyDrive feature for cloud storage of documents. This second comment on this thread is a great idea for how to quickly access it...
http://social.answers.microsoft.com...7/thread/56adcec6-08ce-4d86-aa67-27dda1433fa0
Yes, access to the SD card would be nice. I suppose they're looking to cut down on support calls?
Android is not a phone; its a geeky toy
I bought an HTC Desire in August 2009. My HTC TyTN had just died and I couldn't wait for the late release of WP7. Android was such a disappointment. Market was unavailable in Sweden (it is open now), the UI looked disgustingly ugly and the whole experience was so much lower than descent. The only thing I really loved about Android was the notification system. I also have an iPhone so Android's notification system seemed totally like a blessing. Nevertheless Android just felt like another Google experiment. A geeky toy for Google lovers. I'm not a Google lover. Not because their products are so bad; They are bad, but I could forgive that. What I can't stand in Google is their daily bragging about their coolness all over the web while their products are actually years behind what they could really be had they cared about anything else than selling ads and hooking people onto their so called platform(s). So if I am to make a compromise on a product I am really more willing to compromise for Microsoft. Unlike newcomers like Google, Microsoft has proven over the years that they do have a vision about software and they do work on it. Google has no vision about the web other than dominance. They have a vision about advertising. My "vision" about advertising is that it is an old solution to an old problem which I'm not so sure will even exist for long in the so called "new economy". So I just sold my HTC Desire and bought an HTC HD7. I know that I will miss the WiFi tethering of my HTC Desire. Hopefully not for long. Like I said I can make a compromise for Microsoft but find it pointless to make a compromise for Google.
Android just felt cluttered to me. Yes, you can customize it as much as you want but personally I dislike the mess of widgets and icons. I was never happy with my home pages.
My phone doubles as my MP3 player and the WP7 audio playback is much better because of the HD7's sound enhancer. The sound equalizer I had on Android would only work on MP3s, not on other file types.
Pinch to zoom to WP7 is really really really good. Also the GPS on my HD7 finds my position significantly faster than my Android phone (would take several minutes to lock on). Bing maps really isn't bad so I don't know what the fuss is about. Sure there's no voice navigation, but I never used it when I had Android anyway.
Anyway my main reason for switching was that I hated being left behind while new phones are released with updates. Literally the way to upgrade with Android is to buy a new phone or root the phone. Problem with rooting is that each ROM has it's own little quirks and I didn't want to sacrifice functionality just to see a higher build number. IMO if you have to root in order to have the phone "work" then you're doing it wrong.
I do miss some things like the control panel and swype, but that's about it. So far so good.
I think from most of the posts above we can agree that WP7 is a clean functional minimal UI. And once the update comes in it will be one to brag about
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I love android, and I still own several Android Devices, and I've been using android since the G1. Android (like many have said before me) reminds me a lot of Windows Mobile (and I loved windows mobile).
Why I made the switch:
Well, not to offend anyone, but WP7 seems to be a more mature OS, not in terms of functionality, but in terms of it's minimalist approach.
It's like comparing:
A tricked out Honda: http://www.remarkablecars.com/main/honda/tricked-out-honda.jpg
and a Cadillac CTS-V Coupe: http://photos.leftlanenews.com/phot...mbnailsnew/me-cadillac-cts-v-coupe-09_620.jpg
It's probably faster, and more elegant, but less flashy, and less customizable.
Ultimately it's a matter of preference, personally I'd chose the Caddy
So we allready been hearing MANGO 7.5 to be release to download real soon for all people who owns a WP7 phone.
That is great news,
However What does MANGO will have that android dont have ?
And also the big question is, When mango is available. The wp7 marketplace apps wont be much of a change, at this stage the marketplace apps for wp7 isnt that great. Its not as good as android or these apps that are needed the most.
I notice the apps in the marketplace are 80% useless because most of the apps there are either bad design or not worth it. Or social chat apps where you dont see no one using it in your local area.
So i think the big issue from wp7 is that they need to quickly build up more apps and more things in the apps in the marketplace. Because theres nothing that interest me there at all.
There is 1.6 million people around the world using wp7 allready and yet counting.
WP7 came out some what 7 months ago and counting.
I heard there is 15,000 APPS in the marketplace and counting, But from what i see in the marketplace doesnt really look like anything that you can imagine... really 15,000 apps? and yet seen 80% of everything in the marketplace been just useless apps to beging with?
Android apps store has the most succesfull apps there more ratings more downloads.. more interesting and a must to have that app.
While wp7 marketplace apps are just nothing that would interest me much at all.
What ive notice was that wp7 seems to be ONLY more popular on the GAMES hub marketplace... And notice that people are more downloading and raitng the GAMES apps.
But notice that anything other then games apps are just boring or useless or 80% doesnt really be useful in your local state and or country*
So This big MANGO update to be release soon i believe in September 2011.
I hear there is 500+ features that MANGO will have to offer.
I look at some preview demos around youtube today. Notice most things that MANGO will offer is more concentrated to the phone software itself. But doesnt concentrate anything big change at all in the apps marketplace for windows phone 7.
So that concerns me because i as a heavy user for a phone i use the apps more then just making calls.
So i use the apps more i use social chat rooms and apps that i can search for friends in my local area. But non of this is any useful at all in the WP7 apps store at this stage. Because i live in a big city and all i could find is just 2 or 3 users using that apps and that is upsolutely poor.
While ANDROID social chat room apps would have different chat apps where you can find lots more friends who are using that app in your local city or town.
We understand Windows phone 7 has recently just began. Sure i can understand that. And allready 15,000 apps but its hard to believe 15,000 apps allready because really in reality if you focus more into everything that wp7 marketplace has to offer most of the apps there are either (useless for you country) or crab or really dodgy bad design apps or no on in that chat room app to beging with. And yet considering there is like i said 1.6 million people using windows phone 7 phones and no one is in any of these chatroom apps to beging with.
Remember 15,000 apps and counting... there is far more people 1.6 million on wp7 and no one is in these location apps. And notice 80% or so the population 1.6 million users using wp7 are only using the phone to play app games....
But what about intertianment and social and productivity apps ? these things are quite useless there.
Big disapointed because really my idea was that wp7 marketplace would be pretty much as good as android.
I personaly see android apps more usefull in my opinion
but when i search things in the wp7 marketplace there is hardly anything useful in my opinion.
In fact i looked at 10 big things i use the most APPS from android and then i try to search these 10 different apps in the WP7 marketplace to see if wp7 marketplace apps would have these 10 different apps i enjoy and gues what? non of the apps i was searching from these 1 to 10 apps was not available at all in the wp7 marketplace.
So.. that is strange.. considering there is 15,000 apps allready and yet non of it contains the need i like from my top 10 apps that i use the most on android? which is odd... thats why i realise the wp7 marketplace are mainly 80% useless and non interest apps at all.
So about the MANGO is there going to be a big change for the marketplace apps or no change there ?
I would love to hear from you. It is good to hear from people with interest and what they believe about MANGO on wp7 vs wp7 marketplace apps.
Please let us know and tell us things as it is nice to know
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sandra
In all honesty, I like Windows Phone 7 a lot more than Android, and I do plan to switch once Mango is released. I was waiting for multi-tasking and its going to deliver. WebOS style nonetheless.
On the subject of apps, I actually think most of Android's apps are pretty useless myself. Aside from a lot of the great root apps, like SetCPU and BatteryMod, even voltage control, the apps are very... meh... at best. We have the basics, like facebook, and twitter, a bunch of IM clients, and obviously shazam and pandora, you get where I'm going.
But other than the top 25 or 50 apps on android, the rest are HORRID. I'm sure part of the reason is people barely buy paid apps, and another part is lack of app review (which is fine by me) but android apps aren't that great.
Also, Windows Phone 7 is still really young, and its off to a way better start than Android was... Both in terms of apps and OS. The UI is great, and the integration with Zune is solid. I actually still carry around a ZuneHD cause no music player on android comes close.
And yeah, obviously like 450 of those 500 features are something completely stupid. Like a afterglow, or something like that. But I really like where this OS is going and the way its competing with Android and Apple after only 7 or 8 months.
Its almost a love child of iOS and Android. A bunch of form factors, but one unified OS for easy and fast updates.
Sorry for the length.. and don't get the wrong idea, I don't hate android. I just think its really overrated for what it actually is. That, and if it wasn't for xda and its developers, this phone would be long gone.
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Your debate is out of place here, as i already said you in the other thread, HD7 WP7 development is meant only for that purpose.Help, Questions and whatever must goes to General forum.
I don't really think you have got the point of what WP7 is aiming to achieve.
What Microsoft are saying is that you shouldn't need an App to do stuff. It should be built right into the OS, and that is certainly what Mango is all about. Obviously, there is a lot of stuff that they can't and won't put into the OS, which is where the Apps come in, but they want an intuitive and seamless experience for the user so they don't have to launch 3 or 4 different apps just to tag a photo or find the price of a book.
You keep blasting off this "80% of apps in marketplace are useless". Really? Have you been through all 20,000 apps yourself? Don't get me wrong, a LOT of the apps are repetitive, duplicates, or just a general wast of time, but just because most of the apps don't suit you, doesn't mean nobody else wants them either.
And regarding the Marketplace growth post-Mango, i think this is where the really interesting stuff is going to kick in. If the Apps can interact with the OS as fantastically as MS displayed with their IMDB apps and Kindle Apps, then that puts something else truly unique into WP7's bucket of skills.
This isn't really a debate, it's more of a vent by someone who seems misguided (no offence).
I know what you mean market place is rubbish I have read that mango is going to change the market place alot, more people will be making Apps but I believe they are limited at the moment due to limitations on wp7
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I don't really think you have got the point of what WP7 is aiming to achieve.
What Microsoft are saying is that you shouldn't need an App to do stuff. It should be built right into the OS, and that is certainly what Mango is all about. Obviously, there is a lot of stuff that they can't and won't put into the OS, which is where the Apps come in, but they want an intuitive and seamless experience for the user so they don't have to launch 3 or 4 different apps just to tag a photo or find the price of a book.
You keep blasting off this "80% of apps in marketplace are useless". Really? Have you been through all 20,000 apps yourself? Don't get me wrong, a LOT of the apps are repetitive, duplicates, or just a general wast of time, but just because most of the apps don't suit you, doesn't mean nobody else wants them either.
And regarding the Marketplace growth post-Mango, i think this is where the really interesting stuff is going to kick in. If the Apps can interact with the OS as fantastically as MS displayed with their IMDB apps and Kindle Apps, then that puts something else truly unique into WP7's bucket of skills.
This isn't really a debate, it's more of a vent by someone who seems misguided (no offence).
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I agree completely...also, sorry but the only "App" i am waiting for is the Splinter Cell Conviction game i think I might just buy it...
It sounds like to me you should use an android device if you like it so much and as it has so many more apps.
With Mango it will open up loads more APIs for devs to create much much better apps.
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I know what you mean market place is rubbish I have read that mango is going to change the market place alot, more people will be making Apps but I believe they are limited at the moment due to limitations on wp7
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Hi thank you 100% for understanding me. I'm not english background.
But you really sure and knowing for a fact that mango will make the marketplace better with more apps ? I wish i new where you got that information.
Infact mango could easily be just new features for the all WP7 and has nothing to do about everything apps has to offer.
Infact it is upto the maker(s) students and profetionals who creates apps. Not wp7. WP7 dont just make apps themself. And if they do they will only make specified APPS in relation to anything to do with WP7 as productivity. Not just all only females chat room apps. Also WP7 CEO just doesnt go around telling all students and makers who creates apps to come forward to Windows phone 7 marketplace to add apps in it. That is upto who ever uses wp7 obviously. We allready have some of them thats why you see some apps with wp7 but it just needs better and decent apps. There is far too many duplicates and too many rubuish apps that are very useless for me in my country.. Such as apps like tram timetable for britan you think that is going to be useful when im not living in the UK ? nope
or all males only chat app. WP7 doesnt make these things
Aniways all good.
circleofomega said:
I agree completely...also, sorry but the only "App" i am waiting for is the Splinter Cell Conviction game i think I might just buy it...
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The only apps im waiting for are a few many from 1 to 10 priorities such as QANTAS. lots of decent popular chatrooms. wp7 is new. But nowdays they could at least speed up or els they will never reach to the point in been number1 leaders.. Because right know at this stage ANDROID are the very very top leaders compare to what WP7 marketplace is.
Will see about that
sutt359 said:
It sounds like to me you should use an android device if you like it so much and as it has so many more apps.
With Mango it will open up loads more APIs for devs to create much much better apps.
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Well yes you are correct in one of them. I should of gone with an android phone. But nevermind.
I do hope will see something much much beter and even decent and better apps. Because almsot everything they offer is just rubish and sorry for my rudeness about that word but i look forward to MANGO otherwise and see what is really new.
They say there is 500 new features.. yet i wondering exactly what all these 500 new things are.. Sounds almost like a complete brand new phone in my oponion and i wonder how much left or memory ram will my phone have if install MANGO.
I only have 11GB left on my phone not alot. I bet mango will eat almost half more. ending up with just 8 or less GB.
Remember 500 new features is alot and each thing eats away something MB to even a 1GB to beging with depends what it is.
To get to the point of it all.... It sounds like anyone whos on WP7 are not as crazzy as they are with these on Android devices.. Perhaps who knows... perhaps you choose a wp7 phone because you rather enjoy only games or just browse the internet with it. But if you came from android and enjoyed android so much you will know exactly where i am comming from.
However all this new MANGO is something brand new.. big change. But like i said im very worried how much of ram and space will eat away from your HTC HD7 phone. Since it never came with much GB to beging with.
PS. sorry for my type in english as it is not the best. Im sure the moderators are kind enough to understand me. And would be good to hear from people. After all it keeps the forum active with all respect.
sandrax2020 said:
Well yes you are correct in one of them. I should of gone with an android phone. But nevermind.
I do hope will see something much much beter and even decent and better apps. Because almsot everything they offer is just rubish and sorry for my rudeness about that word but i look forward to MANGO otherwise and see what is really new.
They say there is 500 new features.. yet i wondering exactly what all these 500 new things are.. Sounds almost like a complete brand new phone in my oponion and i wonder how much left or memory ram will my phone have if install MANGO.
I only have 11GB left on my phone not alot. I bet mango will eat almost half more. ending up with just 8 or less GB.
Remember 500 new features is alot and each thing eats away something MB to even a 1GB to beging with depends what it is.
To get to the point of it all.... It sounds like anyone whos on WP7 are not as crazzy as they are with these on Android devices.. Perhaps who knows... perhaps you choose a wp7 phone because you rather enjoy only games or just browse the internet with it. But if you came from android and enjoyed android so much you will know exactly where i am comming from.
However all this new MANGO is something brand new.. big change. But like i said im very worried how much of ram and space will eat away from your HTC HD7 phone. Since it never came with much GB to beging with.
PS. sorry for my type in english as it is not the best. Im sure the moderators are kind enough to understand me. And would be good to hear from people. After all it keeps the forum active with all respect.
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Sandra,
You keep on going on about 500 new featuers. You will not see over half of these new features on the phones it self, these are APIs so that Devs can take avantage of building more and new exciting apps. You are confusing your self up about the MANGO keynote are for developers and not really for the general public.
You really don't understand on how developing works and MANGO will not take up loads of space on any of the phones that use WP7.
You need to research more about APIs and you should understand a little......