Can I use chargers from other devices that also use mini USB such as my garmin GPS or will they damage my X1?
ive never actually used the charger that came with it(it came with the ugly European plug). if you are going to use a standard USB charger,dont go with one that has higher amps than the official one (i think its 700 miliamps if im not mistaken ) just to be sure
that said. i used the charger for the following devices to charge my x1 (some charge faster than others): Atom EXEC, samsung digital camera, htc wizard, motorolla dumbphone, usb pc cable, xbox360, g1
I charge mine via mini USB cable from PC, mains adaptors (2 different ones), 12V cig lighter adaptor.
BTW PC seems to be the slowest at charging.
THE GRIZZ said:
(it came with the ugly European plug)
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Yes, but it is not advisable. Check if the other charger has the same specs first.
USB is a standard isn't it? I don't think your at risk frying your XPERIA. If it managed 220 in Europe it will manage 110 here. As for me, I've charged my phone with everything, a USB cable connected to my computer, a car ciggarette charger that came with my Tomtom, and my friends iPhone charer. All worked flawlessly.
yes usb is std
it give 5volts dc
and charger which provide
5volts in the correct usb connector
can charge the device
nothing else matter
amps don't matter as long as it's more then 0.5
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amps don't matter as long as it's more then 0.5
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From my understanding, if the charger allows 1A, then that is the MAXIMUM it will provide, it won't be trying to supply that all the time.
So if the X1 wants, say, 0.6A, then a 1A charger will work. On the other hand, you wont want to use a 0.5A charger if it is trying to draw 0.6A or whatever higher.
This is just how you can have a massive 900W power supply. You can draw 200W, 300W, etc. but you can't have a 300W power supply and try and draw 500W (unless you like smoke, fire, explosions, etc.)
John is correct. The USB standard 5V is the important bit. Doesn't matter if the device can supply 0.5A or 5A. Most PC USB ports are good for 500mA, the OEM charger is good for 750mA.
A few of my friends have Motorals RazR's that charge via a mini USB, I don't have to worry about packing a charger when staying overnight.
I already had a collection of USB style chargers and mini USB cables before I got the X1. Use my laptop or a Belkin charger (1A) I got for the iPod in the lounge room, a generic USB phone charger in the car (500mA), the OEM SE charger in my bedroom etc, etc.
At 1st I thought oh no, my 3rd SE phone, my 3rd type of memory card and 3rd tye of charger - but I was a winner with the mini USB
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Before i got HTC Tytn2 i had qtek9000. I had also Brodit car holder and instalation in car with cool hidden cable for charging qtek. After i bought Kaiser i also bought Brodit holder for Kaiser. I thought that this miniUSB should charge battery but it is very strange. Kaiser shows "charging" but battery is not charging. On normal 220v original Kaiser charger it works like charm. Are pin combinationfor these two smartphones different?
As far as I know the pinouts are the same.
There is a blog here which describes the HTC ExtUSB socket and also mentions that there are 2 charging modes. The faster charging, higher curent, needs 2 pins to be jumpered. Without this fast charge the current is limited and may not be sufficient to actually charge the device if you are actively using it. eg. GPS, 3g, Music etc. Try using the charger with the Kaiser in GPRS only mode, or Radio off, and with no apps running, this will enable you to see if in fact it is charging but at the slower rate. The Kaiser may need more power than your Qtek needed.
do you maybe know which two pins?
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do you maybe know which two pins?
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As for the power pins question this is simple a case of juice.
If I plug the USB cable into a HTC device, then plug that usb cable into a usb port and just wire that up to a bench power supply... the device draws a few hundred milliamps. (As much as USB spec allows).
This device, much like other mobile devices I have used which USB charge, can barely draw enough power of the USB to run itself let alone charge the battery.
However, if you close the A/B pins you are telling the phone "This is not a USB port, its a 1A power brick" so the phone charges the battery at its maximum safe rate.
This behaviour is stop the phone frying your usb ports.
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Hope this helps
I had problems with some cables and some car chargers. It turns out that when I use a cable for sync that is fully USB 2.0 compatible everything works. For charging in my car I bought a universal car 12v to USB converter. Then I am usinging the same USB 2.0 sync cable with it. It works.
When i first got my kaiser, i used the car-charger from my old MiO A701. For a period of 1,5 month, it worked just fine. After that, for some reason, kaiser shows that is charging but it really does not!
I thought it would be a charger malfunction, but after reading the posts above i have my doubts...
I have an old usb cigarette charger - output is 5.5V 500mA. Will this be okay to use with X1 or should I buy an official one?
My 650mAmp charger does it well enough, yours will probably too.
it is the same voltage as usb port so it should work
5.5V or 5.0V?
I use the blackberry lighter charger, 5.0 v 1A
Is it OK ???
I think I got the answer http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-505222.html
volts is the only thing that matters amps are drawn and a device will draw as much as it's made to be able to the more it can draw the faster it can charge
usb is spc'd to be 5volts but would think that 5.5volt would not cause problems but
once I gave my ext usb hub 12volts and it killed it and many of the devices connected to it
So, using a 5V 500mA just to keep my X1 alive while navigating should be no problem, right? I hardly believe it'll need more.
I use the car charger from my navigation pocket loox by Fujitsu Siemens.
This works great with output 5 V 1 A.
The original charger for home has only just output 5 V and 700 mA.
i never use my sony charger because its not charging properly
i always use motorola charging because its micro usb charger the same as X1. no problem so far
Can i use a non sony cable for charging my X1 or USB transfer? It looks the same as a USB mini connector that i have but i'm not game to test it without your advice?
Yes you can. The only comment to make is the number of connectors in the cable. Almost all cables will charge & allow you to connect with your PC, a minority may just allow charging.
(I once bought one of those roll-up cables from Boxwave, where the cable is collected in a disc: it was sold as a charging cable, and yes, it only charged! In the same box there was a synch cable of the same design, and that both charged and sync'ed)
And re the charger, you can use any. Charging from the PC is slower, as will be some wall chargers with a low rating (amperage).
But you will not damage the phone, however much power (amps) the charger promises to provide: the phone will only draw the current it needs.
Thanks for the reply. I'll test my cable.
x1 is miniUSB a universal std like a normal AC connector
even other htc devices with extUSB rather then normal miniUSB is direct compatible with
all miniUSB cables for charging and syncing with computers
So this is my first motorola and I had heard of the issues they have with non motorola chargers. Now I am experiencing it first hand. With the same ac charger I have charged many phones with and is capable of 1 amp output (D4 charger is only rated at 850 mA) my D4 struggles. With the device off it charged painfully slowly. While on it cannot even charge. It discharges while plugged in despite the charging indicator and reporting "charging (AC)" in status.
How does it know it is not a moto charger? Is it just about the resistance between the data pins? For most other phones shorting the data pins on the charger indicates to the phone that it is a high current charger and not a computer USB port. Is there a similar trick for motorola phones? I would rather not have to purchase an overpriced moto oem car charger. I have a perfectly fine 1.2 amp car charger soldered directly into my car's 12v system behind the dash. Can I make it work?
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On a regular basis I successfully charge my D4 using both a charger from a Samsung Reality feature phone and from a B&N Nook Simple Touch, in addition to the one that came with it. I've also used a variety of car chargers.
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Actually, so far I have only one charger that had any trouble charging the phone (it was a $3 charger with 2 USB ports), but the $3 charger with ONE USB port works fine, as does the Nook Color charger, Blackberry charger, and Samsung charger I have tried it with, as well as both my old car charger and Lenovo's always-on charging port on their laptops.
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So this is my first motorola and I had heard of the issues they have with non motorola chargers. Now I am experiencing it first hand. With the same ac charger I have charged many phones with and is capable of 1 amp output (D4 charger is only rated at 850 mA) my D4 struggles. With the device off it charged painfully slowly. While on it cannot even charge. It discharges while plugged in despite the charging indicator and reporting "charging (AC)" in status.
How does it know it is not a moto charger? Is it just about the resistance between the data pins? For most other phones shorting the data pins on the charger indicates to the phone that it is a high current charger and not a computer USB port. Is there a similar trick for motorola phones? I would rather not have to purchase an overpriced moto oem car charger. I have a perfectly fine 1.2 amp car charger soldered directly into my car's 12v system behind the dash. Can I make it work?
Thanks!
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Not sure how it knows one way or the other. I've successfully used a few LG chargers to charge my D4. The only really hickup I've ran into is the usb cables from those lg chargers won't sync data to the phones when plugged into a computer, they'll still charge off the usb port but won't read as a usb connection to the computer.
Heh, captcha is trynply.
Every charger I've used, including an old charger for an EN-V, kindle, supplied, and various other phone chargers works just fine with this phone. Probably have a bad charger, guy.
Thanks for the replies. I guess I was wrong. My modded car charger works just fine. I guess its just time to retire the old charger that I have been using. I think it might be my old nexus one charger.
A more important question would be does the thing charge over computer-bound USB ports?
When you're without a charger, but there's a USB cable that fits your phone, sometimes a regular USB data port is the only that is around... even though it might take a really long time.
Try a computer bound USB port, then try your actual charger, again. Or do the hard reset (vol down plus power, hold until it actually does it), which is just like pulling the battery.
See how that goes.
Chris
RueTheDayTrebek said:
A more important question would be does the thing charge over computer-bound USB ports?
When you're without a charger, but there's a USB cable that fits your phone, sometimes a regular USB data port is the only that is around... even though it might take a really long time.
Try a computer bound USB port, then try your actual charger, again. Or do the hard reset (vol down plus power, hold until it actually does it), which is just like pulling the battery.
See how that goes.
Chris
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It does in fact charge via USB port. In fact, it has a 'charge only' mode. Depending on how much juice your port puts out, and what you are doing with the phone, it will charge slowly/not at all, though.
from my experiences, the droid 4 will not accept lg microusb cables, the charging bricks work tho. i use a blackberry microusb on mine along with a Logitech and the stock moto ones. 1.2 amps is a bit high but not crazy sounding. personally, I charge at 1 amp.
I'm trying to make a fast charging cable for use in the car. The current charger I use seems to work fine, but the coiled cable annoys me. When I use a standard USB cable the charging reverts to slow mode which means the GPS and screen drain the battery faster than the cable can charge it.
The charging cable that works has a resistor between ground and the unused pin 4, but what I want to know, is this the only USB charging standard that the Droid4 supports, for example does it support the one where you put a resistor between the two data pins, or the one where you just join the data pins together?
If it supports either of those, then this project just got a lot easier as I can just chop the Type A connector off my USB cable and do all the work without having to solder a Micro USB connector.
Could you de-solder the coiled cord and solder in a micro USB cord or even a female USB cord for removal of OEM usb... or is that what you mean in the last paragraph... If you want I could give it a try as I have three rapid car chargers and several USB cables...
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I'm trying to make a fast charging cable for use in the car. The current charger I use seems to work fine, but the coiled cable annoys me. When I use a standard USB cable the charging reverts to slow mode which means the GPS and screen drain the battery faster than the cable can charge it.
The charging cable that works has a resistor between ground and the unused pin 4, but what I want to know, is this the only USB charging standard that the Droid4 supports, for example does it support the one where you put a resistor between the two data pins, or the one where you just join the data pins together?
If it supports either of those, then this project just got a lot easier as I can just chop the Type A connector off my USB cable and do all the work without having to solder a Micro USB connector.
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I'm not sure if this has anything to do with your question but try an ipad or tablet charger (2.1 Amp) which i use on my droid 4 and charges it fast.
Regular chargers use 0.7 to 1.0 Amp. I know tablet chargers are bulky but they tend to charge your device faster.
Also maybe this thread will work for you: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1984838
I'm using a 2amp car charger with a USB socket at the moment and I assure you it isn't charging at that speed. The other charger with the coiled cord does charge at the higher speed, but it also has the odd wiring.
That thread is interesting, is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about, but I'm looking for confirmation that it will actually work with the Droid 4 before I start hacking up cables. The Droid 4 seems to be fussy about which chargers it will work with, my 2amp charger worked fine with the HTC Desire Z, for example.
Another part of my reason for doing this is I want to use the right-angled USB plug that is on my USB lead, but that Micro USB connector is sealed and unmodifiable.
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I'm using a 2amp car charger with a USB socket at the moment and I assure you it isn't charging at that speed. The other charger with the coiled cord does charge at the higher speed, but it also has the odd wiring.
That thread is interesting, is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about, but I'm looking for confirmation that it will actually work with the Droid 4 before I start hacking up cables. The Droid 4 seems to be fussy about which chargers it will work with, my 2amp charger worked fine with the HTC Desire Z, for example.
Another part of my reason for doing this is I want to use the right-angled USB plug that is on my USB lead, but that Micro USB connector is sealed and unmodifiable.
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I'm not sure but there is a radio called ihome ic50 (Google it) i own it and it has a special switch which the manual says if the device has a proprietary charging protocol flip the switch. I made a quick test and it charges in both ways. I'm pretty sure your idea will work as long you know what you are doing. BTW the ihome ic50 is pretty cool for any android device.