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Skyfire Pwnz

Got this e-mail from Skyfire, tested it and yes...it's true sometimes even better than the benchmarks but never worse...
In a recent review by Laptop Magazine, Skyfire was put to the test against Opera 9.5.1 and the new 3G iPhone. Skyfire raced ahead of its competitors with download speeds that far surpass our competitors. (Source: Laptop Mag)
NYT.com
Skyfire Beta: 6 (sec)
Opera 9.5.1 Beta: 60 (sec)
Safari: 29 (sec)

I'm not sure what you're talking about. Things have varied for me when I tried skyfire against PIE. Both seemed to load about the same, yes skyfire was easier to move around in but skyfire failed serveral time to be useful.
I wasn't able to open links or download files that PIE would with no problem.
I don't mean youtube stuff, I'm talking about opening email from aim.com (just like hotmail.com) and downloading any file at all.
skyfire for me = fail
My browser needs to do it all, if it's slow thats ok but it can't lead me somewhere and then not complete what I need. If I surf for something for 20 minutes and then I can't open a link I get pretty pissed off. PIE can do it.
Also I couldn't copy the URL I was at. I don't think

the initial page may come up faster, but skyfire only initially loads up an overview of the page. it still needs to load the individual parts as you zoom in on them. so those results are very misleading....
for me it's annoying...i'd rather wait a bit more on initial page load (opera 9.5/safari) than waiting every time you scroll around inside the page (skyfire).
for me the fastest is opera mini.

I'm a skyfire fan, but I imagine things would speed up if everything wasn't passed through their servers first....I guess it has to be though

yeah i does load quickly and have embedded flash, but zooming is more combersome compared to opera mini, and when you look around when zoomed in the page has to load even more.
opera: fast but no flash
PIE: slower but plays mobile youtube
skyfire: embedded flash but cumbersome zoom.
take your pick. however skyfire is currently in beta testing, the zoom loading could be a problem they're working on for final product

Anyway to turn off the zoomed-out mode on ALL pages?
It makes mobile-friendly pages unusable, and SkyFire unusable. I don't have a 800x600 screen so I really wish it wouldn't assume all HTML-compliant (meaning content will auto-flow) pages such as Google Reader Mobile loaded as such.

MineralGray02K said:
I imagine things would speed up if everything wasn't passed through their servers first....
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It's actually the opposite. Their servers have fast access, will recompress the page data and pre-render them, just like with opera mini. That's what speeds up the whole process so much. a 1MB page will be recompressed by the servers to a few dozen kBs, speeding up not only the download but also saving a lot of time the small processor of the PPC would need to render that amount of data.
That's why it's faster than the others, which have to deal with it all. It just can't be compared. And to me a browser that requires the availability of a 3rd party server isn't really a browser.

If only it had text wrap like opera mobile/mini.

kilrah i have to disagree.
opera mini may take slightly longer to load a full page but it renders the whole page, which means zooming, any where fast. in the long run its faster than skyfire beta browsing wise (for now)

All i can tell you is i can do the streaming tv on skyfire and that makes me happy.

I hope they add the "touch flo" like feature to Skyfire. It really is cumbersome to scroll around the page without it. Perhaps, though, it is not possible because skyfire doesn't preload the pages.
Just my thinking.

Having tried opera mini 4.1, opera 9.5 beta, and skyfire beta 1...first of all, O mini is like the kindergarten browser version of opera 9.5 so it's almost not even worth mentioning unless you're looking for the simplest of pics n text browsing. Opera 9.5 is the most fluid, responsive, intuitive, and easy to navigate browser. Then you boot up skyfire; supports every online video and audio codecs, from youtube, redtube, comedy central, fm radio streaming; any websight imaginable; even apple web trailers stream flawlessly. As much as I dig Opera's interface, getting the "this device does not support flash 8", is simply not an obstacle for skyfire, and does something not even the "delivering the real internet" Iphone can do. Hopefully, opera will soon follow suit

I tried Skyfire on my Kaiser, BlackJack II, and Dash. I already stopped using it on all three. I browse mainly mobile friendly sites with my phones so I didn't gain much. But I missed the tabbed browsing which I would have expected from the "greatest browser ever" comments I kept seeing.
I'm a huge fan of Opera Mini and keeping an eye on Torch Mobile's IrisBrowser. If they can make Iris work as smooth as the iPhone's browser, it will be a winner. OperaMobile still seems buggy...
Until then, I'm back to PocketIE and Opera Mini.
-Mc

looks like PocketIE PWNZ!!!

Opera 9.5 + Flash 3.1 = FTW

opera mobile vs. skyfire web browser (HTC fuze)

i did some testing on the browsers skyfire and opera mobile just to see which browser has the faster loading speed. here are the results:
to google.com
opera
-loading time
4.28 seconds
-zoom (to clarity or read ability)
1.91 seconds
skyfire
-loading time
1.99 seconds
-zoom
less than 1.00 second (couldn't hit the stop watch button fast enough)
to forum.xda-developers.com
opera
-loading time
1 minute 15.90 seconds
-zoom
2.66 seconds
skyfire
-loading time
20.37 seconds
-zoom
2.69 seconds
i have noticed that on a slower network opera dose give a better experience in zooming but skyfire still takes the cake in loading times. all of these tests were done with the phone in the exact same place it was not touched by any person or object at any point during testing to ensure no outside forces influencing a certain outcome. if you have any questions just post them on the forum

akawings said:
i have noticed that on a slower network opera dose give a better experience in zooming but skyfire still takes the cake in loading times
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I don't get why people compare loading times between Skyfire and Opera Mobile. and are shocked that Skyfire is always faster. Skyfire uses server side rendering so it's always going to load the webpages faster then Opera Mobile which does not use any type of server side rendering (that could change though)

@akawings
You should also compare display quality, Opera is rendering webpages in full 640x480 while skyfire only in 320x240 (becouse of server side rendering).

Since the usability/configuration of Opera is 5x as developed as Skyfire why not use both? I only use Skyfire when I cant get my sports picks in or want to play some flash games..

norkoastal said:
Since the usability/configuration of Opera is 5x as developed as Skyfire why not use both? I only use Skyfire when I cant get my sports picks in or want to play some flash games..
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That's pretty much what I do, I use Opera Mobile (or Mini) for most of my browsing, if I want to watch some flash video, like hulu, I use Skyfire.

I wish the skyfire provided the real vga instead of blown up 320.240.

Now that Iris is relatively stable (Latest release hasn't crashed/locked on me yet) why not take a peek at that?
In my opinion, it's the best one out there. Sure, SkyFire has its uses with the off-machine rendering (like flash heavy sites) but, really, Iris is top-notch. It will be interesting to see if Fennec is close.

ekruse said:
Now that Iris is relatively stable (Latest release hasn't crashed/locked on me yet) why not take a peek at that?
In my opinion, it's the best one out there. Sure, SkyFire has its uses with the off-machine rendering (like flash heavy sites) but, really, Iris is top-notch. It will be interesting to see if Fennec is close.
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I've been quite impressed with Iris so far, web kit was made for mobile devices IMO. The only thing I wish they would work on is the overall UI is a bit akward, but they probably wanted to get the rendering issues fixed first then work on the UI.

why compare both browsers?
opera better for general nav and skyfire mainly for flash.
opera can't play some flash video players like skyfire's yet

What Web Browser works best? (Flash Supported)

Title pretty much says it all. I know a lot of you guys talk good about Opera, but the latest download on their website says that it does not support flash, and that is pretty much the reason why I want to use something other than mobile IE that came with the phone from HTC.

iris or skyfire, opera has flash but it crashes mostly

So which out of those two is best and/or easiest to use?

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So which out of those two is best and/or easiest to use?
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i say skyfire, it handles every detail of the web practically flawlessly, but iris is sharper in rendering
but for your needs, skyfire

Skyfire gets my vote - it has been able to render everything I've tried.

Thanks mike

There's also minimo which is Mozilla Firefox, I use that. My suggestion is try them all out and see which one fits your needs the best. There's cab files for all of them floating around, just use the search.

cheetoh said:
Skyfire gets my vote - it has been able to render everything I've tried.
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co-sign....same here.

the only thing i hate about skyfire is that god awful text resizing, it really makes the page look horrible with bigger text while the rest looks small, is there a way to fix that?

I use Skyfire for most of my browsing, and I don't run into issues with sites loading up in mobile format like Opera Mobile does. As well, I can go to my bank's website with Skyfire and veiw my account just fine, Opea does not work.
I have tried Iris, and it is pretty cool, but it doesn't really do anything for me that Skyfire doesn't already do. Skyfire also has amazing flash support, test it out and check out Youtube with it... there is some delay issues and what not, but once it gets going it is awesome! My delay issues could be the fact I am on EDGE. I have yet to test it on WiFi to see if it does anything to help that out, as if just crossed my mind.

Skyfire gets my vote although when Im in a hurry and need to look something up, I wuse Opera only because it loads faster for some reason - other than that... Skyfire for browsing....

For flash, Skyfire is superior, no question. However, it has no text reflow, which is the dealbreaker for me. For flash, I use Skyfire, for everything else, Opera Mini 4.1 and Mobile 9.5. As for Iris, it's alright, but still somewhat unpolished and it needs a little work. However, it passes the ACID3 test, and renders things quite well.
Dave

I feel like using skyfire kills my battery really fast, does anyone else have that? Or maybe i'm just trippinn.

I get that with Skyfire too. I don't think it is any worse than Opera Mobile if you are not scrolling much, but if you are scrolling a lot, then it seems to eat a little more, and if you are youtubing it drains it fast!
I still prefer Skyfire for the majority of my browsing. I use Opera for forums because of the wrap around, but it is too sensative to the double tap zoom in and out.

i know a lot of people will tell u opera, but I found skyfire to be just the thing I needed! soo blazing fast, nice look and feel, zoom in and out much like opera, very finger friendly..hands down best mobile browser

skyfire hands down!

Im using Skyfire now since I wanted a browser that supports Flash but Im having some issues with the audio. I can see the video beautifully but it has no audio. Ive tryed different vids on youtube and I cant hear single one. Any one have a suggestions.

I have had success with Skyfire playing both Audio and Video without any real issues when my phone wasn't muted. If Audio & Video is important to you, I would vote Skyfire, but Opera is my overall preference for other sites.
Jason

ripinfamous, do you have the latest version? One of the .8x builds of it gave me the same issue, but the newer .9x versons work fine again. If you do, just wait for the next version to be released.
Dave

In my mind there is no perfect browser. The perfect browser would have Skyfire's functionality for flash, Iris's animations and touch response, and Opera Mobile's UI. Iris needs Opera's text wrap. Perhaps Opera Mobile 9.7 when it comes out my work out better. I use Opera Mobile and Skyfire.

X1's web browsers

Hi guys, I want to share with you some of my impressions considering the options we have for web browsers.
I personally don't like browsers like skyfire/opera mini which does not render the real page, but prerendered on server image kind of page (streamed to the browser). Also in some cases it is much slower, because some local sites must go to outside servers, rendered there and put back on my "browser". For such sites, the connection I have is much better than the connection skyfire server has.
Opera 9.7: even in it's early beta stage has problems rendering pages, some of which look very awkward. Have you seen this forum on 9.7, the links to the threads are HUGE comparing to all other browsers. Many other sites I visit do not render correctly too, problem that does not exist in Opera 9.5. I hope that they will fix that in the later versions of 9.7.
Iris Browser: so far the best browser in rendering quality and almost the same speed as Opera 9.5/9.7. That's because of its engine: WebKit - it is far superior in standard support and rendering quality than Opera's engine for example. The only 2 minuses I see in it is that first it lacks full screen (the one they call full screen has the buttons on the bottom still visible, which is not the same as Opera 9.5/9.7's full zoom). The other drawback in this browser is it's double tap zoom, very often the zoom is not enough and I need to zoom in one or twice to make the text easily readable.
Flash support: I have flash support under 9.7 and it is as bad as it was before. Only some banners are rendered, the online videos can not be streamed, and when I zoom page, very often the flash banners are moved on wrong coordinates, placed on text or somewhere else it should not be. All in all, its far better without it.
Opera 9.5: so far the most reasonable choice as it has better zoom than Iris, and renders pages better than 9.7 (still not as good as Iris, but usually with no problems).
I can't search for "opera 9.5" in the forum (the numbers are confusing the search engine and after search no results can be found). I am using Itje's Touch-it 10.4, which has no opera 9.5 in it. Can you please send me a link to the latest 9.5 builds of Opera. I really miss that browser. Thank you in advance!

I'm a new fan of Netfront v3, seems a pretty good and fast browser.
I'll dig the .cab out for you and post it.

I'm a new fan of Netfront v3, seems a pretty good and fast browser.
I've dug the Opera .cab out for you:
Opera 9.5 listed here

rp-x1 said:
I'm a new fan of Netfront v3, seems a pretty good and fast browser.
I've dug the Opera .cab out for you:
Opera 9.5 listed here
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Thank you very much or this link. I've also installed NetFront 3.5. It is fast browser, but it doesn't seem to have tap-to-zoom feature, also I can't zoom more than 125%, which on X1's display is still too small for text reading.

rp-x1 said:
I've dug the Opera .cab out for you:
Opera 9.5 listed here
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Is this tha latest R3A stock Opera Rom? I cannot remember the latest stock Build number.
The point for all browsers is: Only the X1 Stock Operas support the optical joystick.

Its straight off my R3AA013 O2 UK stock ROM.

thelucius said:
Opera 9.7: even in it's early beta stage has problems rendering pages, some of which look very awkward. Have you seen this forum on 9.7, the links to the threads are HUGE comparing to all other browsers. Many other sites I visit do not render correctly too, problem that does not exist in Opera 9.5. I hope that they will fix that in the later versions of 9.7.
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in opera:config you can change zoom to make links and text better. I changed it from 200 to 140 and it works better. clicking on links in 9.7 is better than 9.5. The only thing I miss from 9.5 is scrolling with optical joystick.

agree with thelucius
opera 9.5 is best for now
iris is good but font rendering not comparable to opera
fennec seems bulky
and skyfire looks blurred
can anyone please make a cab of default sony ericsson x1 start page.
missing it on custom roms as it was easier to get user guide with it
thanks

DatDereX1 said:
in opera:config you can change zoom to make links and text better. I changed it from 200 to 140 and it works better. clicking on links in 9.7 is better than 9.5. The only thing I miss from 9.5 is scrolling with optical joystick.
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The 200 to 140 thing really helped, thanks!

I still prefer Opera to anything else, just has the best UI in my opinion.

Once I installed operamobile 9.7
I completely ditched 9.5
9.7 is faster and has even better UI.
Both crash anyway.....
So my main browser is OMini 4.2,
with 9.7 doin' what 4.2 cannot do!

rp-x1 said:
Its straight off my R3AA013 O2 UK stock ROM.
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Thank you very much .

opera 9.7 for reading/browsing (turbo : on for text/pic only , off for more complex uses) ,
mach 5 for multimedia

souljaboy said:
opera 9.7 for reading/browsing (turbo : on for text/pic only , off for more complex uses) ,
mach 5 for multimedia
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Opera 9.7 also let's open links zoomed out.
What is Mach 5?

[Q] What browser do you prefer and why?

Hey guys, I was wondering what browser you are using and why you use the one you use. Share your experiences.
Personally I've tried some different browsers and I think Opera Mobile is one of the best, because it scrolls real nice when reading a lot of text like on a forum. It kinda sticks to the text when scrolling up or down. Thereby when you click at a link that's really close to another link, so close you easily make a mistake when clicking, it zooms in real far and marks both links and let you choose one of them.
These options I found really helpfull.
Browsers I've tried so far:
- Mirren Browser
- Dolphin Browser
- Stock Browser
- Opera Mobile

-Boat Browser
->fast and smooth
->html5 support
->desktop view
->flash support by clicking once a symbol on web page, so there you save time, if you don't want to view flash ads
->pinch zoom (not standard on some! See opera)
->tabbed browsing
->text reflow (also not standard on some browsers!)

-Skyfire
-Its quick
-Smooth
-Tabbed browsing
-Pinch to zoom
-Quick links
Ive tried several browsers to include all of the ones you listed, and of them all this one has been my favorite. Although I have not tried the one listed above (Boat) I don't feel the need to try any others as this one for me is perfect.

Stock Browser
Simple !
I would aslo say it has better quality than some other browsers such as, Firfox !
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App

Stock, all the others are crap.
Sent from my LG-P990

Stock browser is the fastest, you can find tests on google, and none of the other browsers are as fast..

I personally like the new opera mobile 11 browser. In integrates flash nicely and scrolls very smooth through the webpages. I especially like the fast scroll option.

Hm, if there is an option to change the user agent, I can fell in love with the stock browser.
But it can't and some webpages are in mobile Optic. I can't live with mobile optic.
Opera is really good but some webpages looks strange with it. Forums are such sites. I don't know, why the opera websites looks other than normal ones.

koboltzz said:
->pinch zoom (not standard on some! See opera)
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opera has pinch zoom..
tried boat and skyfire, but i still like opera mobile more. it may not be the fastest one around but it has a great user experience imo

Stock browser? Can only show mobile view and forget about:debug settings!
For me, that is no real internet browsing.

Only used stock. However I liked the one on HTC Desire HD better then the one on this phone (LG optimistic 2X) . Wish it comes in a custom ROM soon.
Sent from my LG-P990

Using Boat browser atm, but Opera 11 has been my choice since it came... Never testet flash in Opera, but it may be integrated now(other post here)?
Testet skyfire, xscoope, miren, firefox++ Miren was my favorite on my G2, but 2X somehow lags when trying to switch tabs, so I switched

Stock with AdFree
Sent from my Optimus 2X using XDA Premium App

dolphin hd,is speed

Miren. Really a fantastic browser.

Opera Mobile, mostly because of the great Computer <--> Mobile Phone synchronization.

Operamobile:
best text reflow ever seen
Opera link
doesnt have problem with login pages at wifihotspots like stock one do
seems to run smoother than stock on O2X
unfortunatelly sometimes Im experiencing issues when i want to download something

I tried Mirren and Firefox4.
I'd love to use Firefox 4 but it causes my LG Launcher to crash and makes the phone nearly freeze.
Mirren seems really good, but i don't like the colors.
Using the stock browser most of the time.

I've always used stock on phones - I have a tablet for heavy web stuff and a phone is really just there to quickly visit a specific site or serve a request, not spend any amount of time on it.
FireFox is certainly nice but I just don't need all the things it offers.
The only time I used a non stock browser was on my very old k800i where Opera's proxy make viewing heavy pages much faster.
Nowadays with fast connections and better CPU there's no need for it though.
Sent from my LG-P990 using XDA Premium App

I have to say boat browser mini really is the best browser I've tried so far... and I've tried a few: Opera, Dolphin HD, Miren, xScoope, Firefox ++
Boat has html5, flash, pinch to zoom, tabs ++