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Spb Mobile 2.0 vs Tf3d

I'm not really gettin used to touchflow yet and I'm checking out other options. So... Lets get down to business:
The things that bugs me in touchflow are:
1.the todayscreen not being able to show more calendarevents.
2. the sms screen, the whole layout really
3. The mediaplayer
4. The alarm, every aspect there as well
I know that there are substitute programs for most of these problems BUT as I have to go in and select the appropriate program I fail to see the advantage of Touchflow..
The things I love with Tf3d are its speed and beautiful graphics and they will be soarly missed if I would go with another shell.
Are there any other touchfriendly options?
What are the pros and cons with Spb mobile shell 2.0? Especially regarding these issues!
Yours sinceraly
Adis Hardis

Sorry but I think you're a bit lazy. Why don't you just download a trial of spb mobile shell and see for yourself?

To be fair, I think he wants opinions..
SPB Software always rates highly in my books, I used to use the Shell on my Hermes. My girlfriend used to hate it, as it restricts access to the main features of the phone unless you kill it off.
But I guess if you tweak it to how you want it, then you never need to access the back end of the phone, pretty much like the HTC one I guess.
SMS's are visible (at least the count) on the main screen, and link direct to the pocket outlook folder
Media player - There's non built in, so again it's just a link.
Urm, Alarm again is built in.. Unless you put SPB time on??
Guess its worth a try! There's plenty of support on their forums, and hundreds of themes for it

I'm no expert in these areas but can I install spb without uninstalling? (and loosing all the settings and so forth). Cause thats my main concern!
Lazy or not, thats what forums are there for in my opinion, to get input and help...
Adis Hardis
Ps
Thank you MikeSel

Yeah you can, there simply 'today' plugins so you can disable one, and enable the other.. Make an informed decision and then dump one if you like.. Or just keep both, and leave one disabled
Have fun, and give me a shout if you get stuck!

Nice, I'm on it, thanks for your help Mike!
Peace
Adis Hardis

i just recently installed SPB mobile on my diamond and i love it a lot more then TF3D. I thought TF3D was great at first, but it a shame it's not configurable even with TF3D advanced config etc installed. Only the very basic functionality is available. It does look very good though and maybe the future could hold great things for it. But for now and the near future SPB mobile is the winner for me
-it's better and more customizable
-it's got lot's of good plugins
-the latest version got guestures like touch flow
-runs smooth as silk
-great animation without slowdowns
-all of the functions are easy accessible

Tried spb 2.1 for a week, but changed back to tf3d.
For my use, tf3d its enough and mobile shell, is atm a bit slower than tf3d and i dont like the default look. And with a better looking vga skin its slower than the first versions of manila, so i stay with tf3d.

[Q]What Do You Want In A ROM?

I'm new to this rom cooking business here so i wanted to see what everyone wanted out of a ROM. I've already made something with the help of all folks on XDA but i'm not sure if this is something i want to release because its not really any different than the roms that are already out there except its probably slower
The idea of this is for everyone to tell me what they want in a rom and maybe some advice in cooking ROMs would be nice.
My Ideas:
1. A lite ROM
2. an SPB ROM (of course you would have bought SPB mobile shell to use this)
3. A touch flo 3d rom (Just because i love itje and chalid's ROMS)

1. Touchflo 3D... that is a MUST for me
2. ALL Microsoft apps included with X1. I lose MS notes program with Xperience
3. ALL included games
4. perhaps a new panel or two
5. instant messaging
6. more stable bluetooth
7. wifi networking / UMA calling
Just things that I would like... not sure how feasible some are, but definitely a wish list.

1. A TF3D version that is capable of handling AVRCP and A2DP correctly!!! (like daran clarkes)
2. Voip

basicly just a fast default ROM without anything special.
so lightweight plx!?
so i can install TF3D instead of manilla (a2dp, seems faster too)

Agreed upon the TF3D..that is deffinatly a must! IN PORTRAIT AND LANDSCAPE
ALL MS Office Apps
All Stock Apps + Additional ones from diff roms
A few new panels
Full QWERTY Keyboard
(Xperice is good, but i dont like the blackstone layout for dialer nor password screen) I like the metal brush look like the stock one had

gregnm369 said:
1. Touchflo 3D... that is a MUST for me
2. ALL Microsoft apps included with X1. I lose MS notes program with Xperience
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Are you talking about One Note? I can definitely add that back. The one i already cooked i removed that too.
3. ALL included games
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By All included games do you mean Sudoku and Bejwelled? I believe they are both shareware... Would anyone be interested in having emulators in there although they don't quite work without the WVGA fix?
4. perhaps a new panel or two
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I had originally removed panles but maybe that is another ROM i will create. One with Panels, One without plus TFL3D and one with Both.
5. instant messaging
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Any objections to Beejive? and fring?
6. more stable bluetooth
7. wifi networking / UMA calling
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These two i have no idea how to fix but i do have a lot of free time

achmed20 said:
basicly just a fast default ROM without anything special.
so lightweight plx!?
so i can install TF3D instead of manilla (a2dp, seems faster too)
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Are you talking about the TF3DBETA2 that is out? Thats the one i'm working off of with adding touchflo3d. Its modded with itje's beautiful touch of blue stuff but i might be changing that all to red. I have to figure out how to edit manila files.

Bxsteez said:
Are you talking about the TF3DBETA2 that is out? Thats the one i'm working off of with adding touchflo3d. Its modded with itje's beautiful touch of blue stuff but i might be changing that all to red. I have to figure out how to edit manila files.
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yep! thats the one im talking about. i read that it has propper a2dp support while the manilla doesnt have. havnt had a chance to test it yet since my car radio got stolen last month
oh and plz ... if there has to be TF3D on teh ROm, DONT mod it with colors. turning the tf3d into blue is easy, but making it black aggain is kinda impossible cause i havnt found the darn skin/cab for it yet.

Hmmm well thats interesting. I was going to make it similar to itje's touch of blue but i was going to make it red but you have a valid point. I'll release those as cabs if i can find a free cab creation program.

I agree with the OP on his first suggestion;
A lite rom for each WM build, with updated drivers/tweaks and a selection of cabs for commonly used applications so we can pick and choose what we install.
I don't much like TF3D or Panels, I prefer SPB applications (low resource use and better customisation, IMHO).
Of course "tweaks and drivers" can sometimes be a matter of opinion, but as far as ROMs go I'd like any available choice to be mine. So if there's a choice between two or more Ati driver dlls, for example, to provide the ddls for download to be installed at the user's discretion.
Even an untweaked lite ROM for each WM build would be good, so we can experiment with tweaks and configuration as we see fit.

Whoa for each WM build? There are hundreds of builds out there. I will update the builds as i find out about them but i don't think i'll be cooking a ROM for each build out there. I think i'm going to start with a lite rom.
Question to all. Do you want panel manager installed so you have the flexibility to install the panels or just blank. If i don't install panels i'm going to try and remap the the panel buttion to a start button.

Bxsteez said:
Whoa for each WM build? There are hundreds of builds out there. I will update the builds as i find out about them but i don't think i'll be cooking a ROM for each build out there. I think i'm going to start with a lite rom.
Question to all. Do you want panel manager installed so you have the flexibility to install the panels or just blank. If i don't install panels i'm going to try and remap the the panel buttion to a start button.
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Panels are cool IMHO

I would love to see a rom that is as close to stock as possible regarding content.
A stock rom with tweaked settings for performance. No added programs (such as TF3D, games, plugins, apps etc.)
Then provide links to cab files containing new apps and so on.
Etc. a cab for TF3D, cab for Blackstone Dialer, cab for Blackstone keyboard and so on.
That way people can install those seperately and get their phone 100% like they want it.
The main problem with most roms is that people do not want all of it so by making a single clean stock rom containing only updated apps, drivers and tweaks and then making cab files available that would certainly make more users switch.

Amplificator said:
I would love to see a rom that is as close to stock as possible regarding content.
A stock rom with tweaked settings for performance. No added programs (such as TF3D, games, plugins, apps etc.)
Then provide links links to cab files containing new apps and so on.
Etc. a cab for TF3D, cab for Blackstone Dialer, cab for Blackstone keyboard and so on.
That way people can install those seperately and get their phone 100% like they want it.
The main problem with most roms is that people do not want all of it so by making a single clean stock rom containing only updated apps, drivers and tweaks and then making cab files available that would certainly make more users switch.
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Agreed 100%.

I hope you make a basic tweaked rom where you can add or remove your cabs. so you can easily update de progs by uninstall the old cab and replace it with the new version.

I'm going to start working on a Lite ROM tonight when i get home. I'm going to try a performance tweak that i've done before..... Hopefully i don't brick my phone

As many of those who responded:
- TF3D
- All stock apps* (Yes, i want OneNote, i use it at work and it is great)
- All stock games*
- to be stable enough, to use for few months without worrying about flashing again..
*about stock apps and games, it is ok also to remove them from the ROM but at least provide them as cabs.

basically a FAST rom, these little devices are nice, but the small lags are quite annoying when you are in a hurry (like when you slide the keyboard to write someone s name to cal them but then you slide it back because you want to phone without the keyboard extended)

I'd agree on most points!
A great idea to start cooking
I think it would be pretty neat if you could cook a rom with all the stuff (TF3D, panels manager and so on) but make the apps uninstallable, if possible and please please please leave the tf3d in black I just love the whole stuff on may phone in black!
p.s.: did you see the ripped max 4G contacts app? its much better than the htc and windows one. I installed it today and its really smooth!
Thanks in advance!

You have a problem with the speed of the screen rotation? I haven't seen this on any of the roms i've used with the exception of my current one lol.. but i think i screwed something up.

What girl's want (Make a rom request here)

Ok, I see a lot of customisation done here, so I think it's time to make a rom based on user requests. Of course, please don't ask for headset, BT, SD, wifi, this will of course be added when found.
Just post what kind of rom you would like, and we will try to find a list of good programs to include.
Criteria are: small programs, specially usefull, and (possibly) free to use in a rom.
Adding as much as possible in a rom is counter productive, as it grabs more storage space than installing the cab afterward.
My guess is that programs should be in the following categories:
GPS aid tools
Phone aid tools
Today plugin tools
Memory and system managment tools
Core functionality
Default settings
The following post will compile what has been selected. Rom will be created when enough input is aquired. Requests can be done for removal also (like games for example)
now fire your requests

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To me it is sufficient that there was an application that gives me the opportunity to do everything with your fingers. Without using the scrollbar. As in Mr gullum ROM. Thanks for this opportunity to express your wishes.

thaihugo said:
Ok, I see a lot of customisation done here, so I think it's time to make a rom based on user requests. Of course, please don't ask for headset, BT, SD, wifi, this will of course be added when found.
Just post what kind of rom you would like, and we will try to find a list of good programs to include.
Criteria are: small programs, specially usefull, and (possibly) free to use in a rom.
Adding as much as possible in a rom is counter productive, as it grabs more storage space than installing the cab afterward.
My guess is that programs should be in the following categories:
GPS aid tools
Phone aid tools
Today plugin tools
Memory and system managment tools
Core functionality
Default settings
The following post will compile what has been selected. Rom will be created when enough input is aquired. Requests can be done for removal also (like games for example)
now fire your requests
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ClearTemp v1.2 (http://www.freewareppc.com/utilities/cleartemp.shtml)

would like....
i would like one that has only the phone, text messages, touchflo (if possible) and GPS, for everything else we have the Vista side like office, messenger and any other app we could possibly want.
botton line the less you put in it the faster it will be and still leave room to install any other app an specific user may want.
just my 2 cents.
BTW great work we are all very thankfull for all your hard work and that goes to cmonex and the rest of your team.
thanks

Call firewall and what you have listed chat of some type (I use yahoo)

i would love to have a ROM based on MANILA or POINT UI or throttle launcher.
i know that there is not much space. but it can be done ( for some resone it works slow..)
please, im willing to donate ( again!!) to the one that will creat that kind of ROM. ( no need for SnupVue...or Office..
10x!

Your current rom is almost perfect. Everybody can install the programs they want. Only I would like have speaker phone forced on like iOO did in his rom and those three themes can be replaced with just one black snapvue theme. And also it should be possible to soft reset from wm side so you dont have to start vista to do that.

Less is more
Actually I would like to see more stripped out all non-essential files/ anything to make more room for programs and data!
I see you put the HTC tools in there, but with the exception of USBTool,RealVGA and cab install support - I wonder how many times I will fire up GPS Debugging...
There maybe some housecleaning opportunities in the Windows Directory (temp files and other such....)
A good screen rotation utility would be nice - I use Mobipocket for WM for reading ebooks and it also has the nice side effect of rotating the WinMo display (if you rotate the display within MobiPocket it keeps the WinMo display rotated after you exit the reader) *** side note to ask MobiPocket to enable rotation in the desktop version of their tool (funny that they didn't think to put it in there - if enough people harangue them from this forum maybe?) - which I also have running on the Vista side and it sets my teeth on edge to know that i can't rotate the display...grrr.... ****
So I am ok on the screen rotation - but maybe others dont want to install Mobipocket........
Anything that would help battery life -- power miser settings set as default in most things that you might otherwise have to configure --
Lean and mean........
thanks for the current state - which rocks!
Shame on HTC for crippling such a neat device.
regards
Sudipta

I'm registering all requests and also lean on to a clean rom.

lean for me too
first, thanks to all the ROM cooks. i have tried almost all of them and am now using thaihugo's latest. i haven't had this much fun configuring and reconfiguring a machine since installing Slackware 1.1 in 1994.
what a sad loser, i am. well, insomniac anyway.
i'd like a really lean ROM because i like to install my own selection of stuff: pocketxpdf, tcpmp. quickmenu, putty. i don't even need Activesync or the built in e-mail client and calendar. for me, it would be great if anything that i could easily install myself was left out.

Is it possible to include 800X480 resolution driver to fully utilize the screen. Thank you very much!

I've followed your requests here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=495143

wow, fast.. Maybe a easy way, to customize your ROM with standard European language packs.
(french, italia, german, spain,..

I Would prefer a ROM BASE on WinMo 6.1 as UDK's rom was cause it worked fine with haret.
I Woud like a complete Rom With:
- GPS Fix
- QuickGPS
- Phonestuff enabled
- Google Maps (if you have it working with GPS)
- Opera
- TouchFlo (if possible =)
Apps: (prefered as cabs to install them when needed)
- IM Slick
- Mobile Office
- Total Commander
- Finger Keyboard (If it will will work)
- GoogleMaps
- Adobe Reader
I liked your roms but they wont work with haret.
So hopefully will work in future !

joy.d said:
wow, fast.. Maybe a easy way, to customize your ROM with standard European language packs.
(french, italia, german, spain,..
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thanks for your great work
i'll test "age of beauty" asap, all the progs included are great
As joy.d said a french rom will be great
for me i just need to add pocket informant but its commercial so i'll add by myself
dont know if others want but i like realvga 96dpi on the shift's screen
thanks agian

SnapVue Cab
What I really want (and have no clue how to do) is the SnapVue as a today plugin cab.
Love your Light ROM (it is my current one). However, I love SnapVue as a concept also. Some things to think about/fix (?):
-The clock allows you to open it to the alarms and Time Zones (I am using a plug in similar to the SnapVue Clock/Calender)
-The "Settings" button is remapped to programs OR opens a shortcut tab for key programs (customisable)
-The Plugin does not "steal" all the real estate. Currently it covers the scroll bar so you can not add other plugin above or below it. This is very irritating (particularly for me who has several plugins).
Currently, I can only get SnapVue (with other ROMS) to work with other plug-ins if I use RealVGA. However, using RealVGA then stops my spb Travel Assistant working (don't understand why).
Food for thought
Cheers

even lighter if possible!
I am using Age of Reason, and it is fantastic - I now even have space to store a bit of my own audio and video. I have also just installed the new YouTube WM application from m.youtube.com which works but has very jerky motion.
I am using TCPMP, so have no use for WMP. I also do not use ActiveSync, so if that was optional, it would save me some space (as well as having to kill it from time to time).
I still think that any item that is available in a simple CAB install might as well be left out, unless it takes up less space by burning it into the ROM.
Thanks again for all your efforts.
Matthew

matthew.karas said:
I am using Age of Reason, and it is fantastic - I now even have space to store a bit of my own audio and video. I have also just installed the new YouTube WM application from m.youtube.com which works but has very jerky motion.
I am using TCPMP, so have no use for WMP. I also do not use ActiveSync, so if that was optional, it would save me some space (as well as having to kill it from time to time).
I still think that any item that is available in a simple CAB install might as well be left out, unless it takes up less space by burning it into the ROM.
Thanks again for all your efforts.
Matthew
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Actually, removing this component will make you lose memory, so it's better to keep them. Don't ask me why, but it is this way. WMP and activesync are system components...

Need i say more? Thanks for this great ROM! Age of reason is on my shift and it works great!

Is there still interest in lite ROMs?

I ask because I've been working on a superlite ROM for a few weeks, and while I'm all for the idea of having a ROM that is just a platform for doing things with the maximum of speed and the minimum of fuss, I don't know if you guys are. Judging by the ROMs being released and the ROMs that people rave about, it seems not. If it turns out that you guys are interested, I'll put more effort into developing and make it public as soon as I have something worthy of competing with the range here.
Let me know what you think.

And I should ask as well, my concept ROM is basically based around the premise that
1) Everything apart from basic phone functions and essentials should be optional, with the ROM being as close to a blank slate as is reasonable
2) Everything should be doable within as few button pushes as possible
3) The OS should barely even feature, so no elaborate and animations, just straight forward basic and fast functionality
That's the sort of stuff that, to me, would make a perfect ROM. What would you guys want in a lite ROM? How would you want something new to differ from the lite ROMs of old?

A lite rom always is good for speed and performance an maybe even battery life. Though you have to add t3d to it, since it's the only thing that keeps me away from digging to deep into the wimo user interface, wich is so frustrating at times.

Yeah i like the idea of a lite rom, but then it kind of makes you think what's the point in getting a phone such as the X1 if you only want it to only do things nokias could do 10 years ago! And then you have to think, what's bare minimum? just phone? but camera too? and internet? and the extra keyboards so people can use it easily? and the themes so it doesn't look crap? and then T3d so you can actually easily use it without a stylus?
Don't get me wrong i think it is an awesome idea, and would be helpful, i just think it would be incredibly hard to please everyone!

yes i like the idea too..because a lite rom is much faster than a normal and if you need something you can install it later. but in the "FULL" roms there are a lot of things that you wont use etc.
it would very nice if someone could make a lite rom from wm6.5 2303*(or higher) :$
and sorry for my english ... i am hungarian

I am very interested in a lite WM 6.5 rom which has no extra applications added and is just basic and simple 6.5. However i do agree with hyellow with the Touchflo 3d, i do like the TF3D interface, i would like a rom which is basic WM 6.5 with a simple TF3D 2 interface.

i feel like there's plenty of TF3D roms out now, incl. lite TF3D, so a rom without TF3D would be great! i agree with your point 2- as few button presses as possible, that's why i love spb pocket plus and ms3- very customisable
i'm using norti's lite rom now, and even though it hasn't been developed in a while, it's fast, stable and dependable, just how a lite rom should be. i've customised it perfectly to my needs, and although i flash interesting roms, i always go back to nortis lite
i've tried 6.5lite roms too, and all seem slower than 6.1 lites. 6.1 is my preference until 6.5 bugs/ speed improves
as for suggestions/ what i would like;
- is it possible to use 'extendir'? if it works, performance gains could be big?
- include graphics drivers of some sort
- enable UC
- optimise some programs (like opera with ramdisc)
- speed/ memory tweaks
the lite roms of old are very sound, so i don't think it need differ much, maybe just update it when new builds are released?
As you can probably tell i'm very keen for a new lite rom! So thanks for asking opinions, and good luck with it, I look forward to it!

I would thoroughly enjoy a lite rom, please share
which build are you currently using on your rom?
mobilevu also has a lite rom, although he hasn't updated in awhile (doesn't mean it isn't good!)

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Yeah i like the idea of a lite rom, but then it kind of makes you think what's the point in getting a phone such as the X1 if you only want it to only do things nokias could do 10 years ago! And then you have to think, what's bare minimum? just phone? but camera too? and internet? and the extra keyboards so people can use it easily? and the themes so it doesn't look crap? and then T3d so you can actually easily use it without a stylus?
Don't get me wrong i think it is an awesome idea, and would be helpful, i just think it would be incredibly hard to please everyone!
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Something I've got a severely bad habit of doing is writing a line in a post, and then editing it out with the intnetion of putting it back somehwere where it fits in better, but then forgetting to completely, and then finding myself wondering why people are contradicting what I said. I really have to stop it
Anyway, what I meant to put in my post was that my plan for the ROM is to bundle with it an installer app that installs apps in the same way that you'd maybe install components of something like MS Office or of a codec pack, where you just select the bits you want with a series of tickboxes, and the hit OK and wait ten minutes while the installer puts in everything you want. So, in its default state, the ROM would come simply with enough to do just phone, sms, and phonebook, and everything else would be an optional extra, camera and internet and the like inclusive. There'd actually be some pretty nifty advantages to doing it that way, since besides the obvious speed advantage, it'd mean that you'd be able to more-or-less customise the ROM to use whatever components you like. ie, it might all look like this:
--- Camera app
[ ] Omit
[o] Rhodium R3A cam (fastest load times)
[ ] HTC cam (slower to load, tap autofocus)
[ ] Made-up 3rd party camera app (etc)
--- Internet Browser
[ ] None
[x] Iris
[x] Opera 9.7b with onscreen keyboard
[ ] Opera 9.7b without onscreen keyboard
[x] Internet Explorer
--- Media Players
[x] None
[ ] Windows Media Player
[ ] Nitro
And so on, if that makes any sense. The other big advantage to doing it that way would be that apps wouldn't have to be bundled with the ROM, which means far less frequent ROM updates needed. Just the installer bundle app might need an update maybe once every few weeks or so, and then all's cool.
But it's all pretty much theory, curiosities, and pages of my notepad right now with only some basic rough builds knocked together, so I want to hear more thoughts from yourself and everyone else.

dhiral.v said:
I am very interested in a lite WM 6.5 rom which has no extra applications added and is just basic and simple 6.5. However i do agree with hyellow with the Touchflo 3d, i do like the TF3D interface, i would like a rom which is basic WM 6.5 with a simple TF3D 2 interface.
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Personally, I can't stand TF3D. I still don't understand why it's so popular, but then, I'm not going to argue with you guys, and I'll put the graft in and aim make it an option on the installer app for you.

I read people discusing TF3D. If you want to built a lite rom you don't wanna put TF3D in it. i have currently wm6.5. and did som ram usage tests with home screens.
if you use TF3D the ram usage at cold start is 50% (that is very high for me)
the standard wm6.5 home is arround 36% ram usage
and if you don't use any home plugin (the old way) the ram usage is around 34%
so i suggest if its gonna be a wm6.5 lite version stick with the wm6.5 home.
And use R3 software from kovsky itself not to much from rhodium. the only things i like from fhodium are the volume control and the top bar tap that shows info. the rest isn't needed. for browser take the standard opera that comes with x1 for the zoom with volume buttons it makes zooming much easiyer. and don't put any extra software let users install there own software.
things that could be removed:
1. messenger
2. Windows live
3. widgets
4. IE
Try to not remove to much base software that makes the phone unstable and some functionalitys don't work anymore.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=547502
as per the above thread it seems 6.1 is the way to go still. the screenshots i've seen of the new 6.5 builds look good with the 'ok' button at the bottom, but 6.5 seems a step back. the start menu is just horrible, and the home screen doesn't make much sense to me.
i just flashed jack's rom, it's ram usage is 26%, and 29% with mobile shell 3, which isn't bad
the installer app is an excellent idea, that would top UC

for me what i'd like in a rom is manila default (remove titanium)
with panels
thats it...
maybe latest opera 9.7b with all the links in manila fixed up ^^

Personally,
I like just basic fuctionality (usual stable base) and a choice of Touch Flo or Titanium, because at the end of the day, we can get a cab file for everything else cant we? Microsoft MyPhone for online backup/sms or PimBackup or Sprite?
Google maps, facebook, opera, clean ram, iPlayer, and even windows live, why bloat the rom with software that many people dont use?
I like windows media player, but apart from that, i like having to install only what i need to a rom. Also, specifically to the Xperia X1, why do some ROM's have finger keyboard? We have a keyboard! lol, and if the Rom is good enough, screen rotation is pretty instant.
Also, with less programs included, we can install more to the card, leaving more free space on the phone.

note sometimes if core files are removed... the .cab install file wont work
have noted some roms having issues with wlmessenger because it was removed completely...

i got 2 kind of phone.. 1 is for daily call n sms.. xperia is for multi tasking.. so, my xperia never install lite rom b4 wan..sorry..

therealreddavid said:
Personally, I can't stand TF3D. I still don't understand why it's so popular, but then, I'm not going to argue with you guys, and I'll put the graft in and aim make it an option on the installer app for you.
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I think that manila makes WM much more interesting and is a good interface to have on top of WM. I suppose when you come to releasing the rom you can release two versions, one with manila and one without manila.

@therealreddavid
no pressure(!), but how's progress on the rom going?

therealreddavid said:
And I should ask as well, my concept ROM is basically based around the premise that
1) Everything apart from basic phone functions and essentials should be optional, with the ROM being as close to a blank slate as is reasonable
2) Everything should be doable within as few button pushes as possible
3) The OS should barely even feature, so no elaborate and animations, just straight forward basic and fast functionality
That's the sort of stuff that, to me, would make a perfect ROM. What would you guys want in a lite ROM? How would you want something new to differ from the lite ROMs of old?
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Oh and put in 'extendir' and the 3d drivers/tweaks
just STRIP EVERY THING that isnt neccesarry we can find our cabs if needed

I am big fan of lite builds! I rather have base OS on which needed apps can be added. For example I don't like TF3D that much, I am bigger fan of the Titanium interface (seems lighter too).
The ideal rom for me would consist of the base which WM has + some extra stuff like dev certs, .NET3.5, Java VM. And everything else is add-able by a CAB file.
I am eager to see the ROM you are working on!

Stock 2.07.401.1 ROM trimmed to Lite

Hello everyone,
OK, here is my first go at ROM cooking.
I was looking for a very basic ROM with only must-have applications inside, so that I can later install the software I *do* use. Eventually I gave up, as all the ROMs and even the Lite'est ones had too much features / utilities. I thought I would then take the latest official ROM available (for stability purpose) and trim it down to minimum elements (for size reduction).
Herewith is what I ended up with:
http://rapidshare.com/files/3829100....25.91_Signed_Ship_trimmed_by_aziraphale_.rar
This in no way can be called a "cooked" ROM, I still know nothing about cooking, but it is a heavily trimmed stock ROM, created by the use of RhodiumKitchen_0.1, found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=560519.
Thanks Dave for this Tutorial and all the credits go to respective tools' developers.
How to install:
- unrar
- connect with ActiveSync (or loader in USB mode)
(goes without saying Your device must be Hard-SPL'd or modified any other way to allow ROM flashing - search the forum)
- execute RomUpdateUtility.exe
There are some residual unnecessary and/or invalid shortcuts in the Start Menu,
as well as some empty folders, I manually removed them by the use of EveryWAN personal edition - it's free and it's easy to use.
The OS is 6.5 b21887
I have trimmed the following from the stock ROM:
HTC applications:
- appointment editor
- clear storage (can do Hard reset in normal way)
- facebook / engine
- format SD (can't a PC do that?)
- CoPilot + install path folder (I use TomTom)
- birthday
- bookmark
- messaging client (hate it)
- jblend
- jetcet
- manila all
- opera (when You install newer version You end up with 2 )
- sliding sounds
- social networks engine
- streaming media
- tv out
- youtube
- volume control
- google maps (same as with opera)
- setting improvement
- text selection
- wifi wizard
- browser snapshot
- ie6 enhancement
- world card mobile (BCR)
- rss hub
System:
- live search
- wm widgets
- win live
- welcome center
- transcriber
- skymarket
- one note
- remote desktop
- themes except Rock and Republic
- my phone (skybox)
- livesearch
I do not expect this to become very useful to most of the forum visitors/members, but perhaps there is someone out there who have not found his/her way around to make ROMs him(her)self yet, but would like to get the very basic ROM with no extras.

Very hard to define "must have" apps. I personally prefer WM6.1 over WM6.5. Bad thing is you can't install every app\functionality by using CAB's. Otherwise you could create a ROM of around 40MB. Mine is currently ~70MB and is just great for my personal use.
Might be handy to add to the first post that your ROM is actually a WM6.5 ROM
Good luck on the cooking!

mccune said:
Very hard to define "must have" apps. I personally prefer WM6.1 over WM6.5. Bad thing is you can't install every app\functionality by using CAB's. Otherwise you could create a ROM of around 40MB. Mine is currently ~70MB and is just great for my personal use.
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You said it yourself - the "must-have" are the ones that can not be added by .cabs and will compromise phone functionality (like the HTC dialer skin will enable video calls, thus must stay)
mccune said:
Might be handy to add to the first post that your ROM is actually a WM6.5 ROM
Good luck on the cooking!
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the "2.07.401.1" implies 6.5, but added to description anyway, thanks

Good effort dude I did much the same a month or so ago with an amalgamation of Ervius Visual Kitchen (so easy) and JoshKoss kitchen. Didn't go as savage on the removal of stuff though, main objective was to get rid of the HTC Messaging
Just tried May 1st 23xxx EnergyROM with MaxManila but it cuts off MP3 playback in standby (a big no-no for me) and hung once already while texting MaxManila is nice though, and the Facebook tab is good. I usually stick to 21xxx but I must say 23xxx is growing on me with the latest build. Gonna try Cell Pro next.
I like the latest stuff but keeping up with it all is a nightmare if you're cooking. Wouldn't mind the latest 2.5 Manila packages and latest 21xxx / 23xxx SYS, also would try cooking in MaxManila, and I never managed to cook in "mark all as read" for emails properly. Need to learn how to hack on Manila. Also I forgot to cook in a task manager haha Ameba is quite nice on the latest EnergyROM. I definitely get the "why cook it in if you can get it from Marketplace / OMarket and auto update it" though, totally with you on that one instead of flashing a new ROM every week. I usually flash a new one every month or so, once I find one I like. But for the last month or so I've been running my own. It wasn't the fastest ROM ever though
It's a lot of work to make a decent ROM, and it's finding the time innit. I'm a big fan of JoshKoss but he hasn't released anything in a while
Anyway good effort dude the more the merrier I say

Also just a quick note I did get the Standby Of Death a couple of times on my cooked ROM. Very rare but still. No idea why. Don't know if it happens with the stock ROM or not.
Would like to know how to totally remove HTC messaging, sometimes when texting via Manila it would still give the conversation view which runs like a dog when you have 4,800 messages hehe
And the speakerphone sometimes screwed up - I could hear the other party but they couldn't hear me.

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Also just a quick note I did get the Standby Of Death a couple of times on my cooked ROM. Very rare but still. No idea why. Don't know if it happens with the stock ROM or not.
Would like to know how to totally remove HTC messaging, sometimes when texting via Manila it would still give the conversation view which runs like a dog when you have 4,800 messages hehe
And the speakerphone sometimes screwed up - I could hear the other party but they couldn't hear me.
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Before going through the trouble of surgically removing the rudimentary software myself, I have tried a few "professionally" (read: respect, not sarcasm) cooked Energy and Leo ROMs, most of them VERY recent, but I found them SOOO packed with tweaks and features, that it would take me ages just to discover all the extras. I am more on the simplier side, don't fix something which is not broken, but I just HATE Manila (expect a lot of angry protestors here) and I am not big fan of HTC customisations either. Hence was this ROM done and I am so far rather happy with it.
There is no sign of HTC messaging which I can find, and I can install and use only necessary (for me) bits of software.
For "mark all as read" there is a really good .cab on the forum, called "safeboxextender", it works like a charm and I don't mind having to install it separately (i.e. not. cooked-in).
Having come from 1.86 ROM to 2.07 I do notice that device keeps hanging even without being put to sleep, but I can not figure out the dependency yet (I mean so far it looks rather random).

Aziraphale_l said:
Before going through the trouble of surgically removing the rudimentary software myself, I have tried a few "professionally" cooked Energy and Leo ROMs, most of them VERY recent, but I found them SOOO packed with tweaks and features, that it would take me ages just to discover all the extras.
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Yeah me too, those guys have spent probably 100's if not 1000's of hours on learning this stuff, then putting it together in a manner that pleases a lot of different people. Major kudos. I sometimes get the feeling though particularly with chefs who release almost every day, for a number of different devices, that the care and testing leaves something to be desired. Quite often more does not = better as you know
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I am more on the simplier side, don't fix something which is not broken, but I just HATE Manila (expect a lot of angry protestors here) and I am not big fan of HTC customisations either.
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Yeah fair enough mate although I am a big fan of Manila 2.5 and MaxManila is quite nice
Aziraphale_l said:
For "mark all as read" there is a really good .cab on the forum, called "safeboxextender", it works like a charm and I don't mind having to install it separately (i.e. not. cooked-in).
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Yeah I tried converting that to an EXT and cooking it in but it didn't work I know it can be done though cos a lot of ROMs have it built in. To be honest I don't really have enough time anymore to dedicate to my own ROM so I'm trying out a few others.
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Having come from 1.86 ROM to 2.07 I do notice that device keeps hanging even without being put to sleep, but I can not figure out the dependency yet (I mean so far it looks rather random).
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It's weird ... Mine's never hung while running but I've had the SOD two or three times. More research required, until then just stick the pen up it's arse haha

Could you release an additional version with a later build SYS (ie: 23XXX or 28XXX)? A lot of people use 6.5.5 or 6.5.3 and there are no Lite options for those later builds.

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Could you release an additional version with a later build SYS (ie: 23XXX or 28XXX)? A lot of people use 6.5.5 or 6.5.3 and there are no Lite options for those later builds.
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i'd love to, but....
as i said i am no cook and i only did it for myself and cared enough to share with anyone who'd love to have it "as is".
also, see the respective later-release ROM threads to see how many bugs are there still and ROM-cooking gurus are eliminating them one by one and it's a long and painstaking process. i have neither time, nor ability to do that.
so i guess this is as much as i can do so far.

I've been using the ROM for a few days now and it is great. Everything works perfect. Bluetooth, tethering, wifi, data connections; it all works great with no bugs Thanks for sharring. I love a clean ROM.

jamespaulritter said:
I've been using the ROM for a few days now and it is great. Everything works perfect. Bluetooth, tethering, wifi, data connections; it all works great with no bugs Thanks for sharring. I love a clean ROM.
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very good!

Well I think I have ran the gamet of tezts and this ROM is perfect. It is fast and stable trimmed down well but still offering everything a user needs. I am on AT&T in the states and it works perfect. The only thing I cant figure out is how do I shut of the vibration when using the on screen key board? And can I add a picture mail program to my device? Would it function properly and could you recommend one?

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...how do I shut of the vibration when using the on screen key board?
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that would be by manually editing registry key:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\OEM\TFLOSettings]
"ApVibrationOn"=dword:00000000
it is 1 by default, change it to 0 and you are all set
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And can I add a picture mail program to my device? Would it function properly and could you recommend one?
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this here i am not sure what you mean?
whatever you add (install) SHOULD function properly, if it would have on a stock ROM,
as i have not made any changes to remaining ROM bits
edit: if you open Albums and select any picture You want, it will open in full screen, tap it, and 4 icon menu comes up, 3rd from the left with 2 arrows > tap this one and there is an option *mail*.
select the account (i would use email) and voila! is that what you were looking for?

Thanks Aziraphale_l I was talking about MMS. I want to send and receive picture mail with text messaging. Right now I cant send or recieve pictures except with email. But of course my friends do not have pda phones so we use MMS picture mail.
I was guessing this is what you said you removed. I looked for arcsoft for 6.5 and I see that HTC is now using "HTC Message" so I will go look for that. Thanks again.

Maybe this one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=624375
With these settings from the same thread.
Server Name: Cingular MMS
Gateway: wireless.cingular.com
Port:80
Server address: http://mmsc.cingular.com
Connect via: Media Net
Send Limit: 300k
Wap Version: 2.0
I'll try to send an MMS tomorrow.

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Thanks Aziraphale_l I was talking about MMS. I want to send and receive picture mail with text messaging. Right now I cant send or recieve pictures except with email. But of course my friends do not have pda phones so we use MMS picture mail.
I was guessing this is what you said you removed. I looked for arcsoft for 6.5 and I see that HTC is now using "HTC Message" so I will go look for that. Thanks again.
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HTC messaging, which I understand handles MMS functionality in our devices, has evolved into... well, something I did not like any more, so it had to go.
I personally don't use MMS, so it is no big deal for me.
Your ArcSoft link below - I see no reason why it will not work, give it a try? You can then share Your findings with the rest of us.

P.S. Battery life on this ROM is the best I have ever seen!
I have tried a dozen ROMs and I usually stick with them for a month or so I guess. They are either lite with bugs or heavy with eye candy and bugs. So far I haven't had a single issue with yours. I think many developers get in to much of a hurry. I appreciate the great job you did on this.
I notice today that to get from one task to another, one program to another or one event to another I use fewer steps because everything is simple and functional. Thanks again.

I cooked in Arcsoft_MMS_5_2_8_45 on mine, after pulling out HTC Messaging, if I remember rightly it worked but it's very rare I use MMS anyway. If you install it afterwards, re-run carrier provisioning (or whatever it's called ... where it sets up your network settings automatically) and it should configure Arcsoft for ya.
Right now I'm running EnergyROM 23xxx from 1st of May but battery is suffering and it crashes a bit, not mega fast either. It is a nice flashy ROM tho I used to hate 23xxx and much prefer 21xxx but lately I'm kinda undecided.

Thanks for the haptic feedback registry edit; works great.

Also with regard to cooking in SafeInboxExtender look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=677105