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So I'm looking for MS Voice command 1.6.19209 which is apparently the latest build.
I tried to ask handango.com/ sales about what build number exactly of the application I would be getting if I'd purchase it from them, these morons keep replying - 1.6.
So the question is the latest build 1.6.19209 available for purchase from any of online retailers?
Thanks,
Yury
I have that same concern. If Handango and others aren't immediately in possession of the latest version of something I wish to purchase, I won't buy from them. I bought SKTools, discovered that a newer version of what I bought was available and was instructed to redownload -- I did so, and didn't get the latest. I went to the author's site, downloaded it, and used whatever key I received from Handango.
Since we're talking about downloading purchased software, this isn't a stock issue where they have to sell-off their current stock before restocking. Getting straight answers from Microsoft would easily be as frustrating... I have no answers, only stress.
It look slike Voice Command will be standard to WM6.1 Pro. In fact the version specifically mentioned in the OP is the version in the Leaked at&t WM6.1 Rom.
Personally, I'd say wait for WM6.1 and save the $40. BTW once it is released in a SHIPPED Rom it will no longer be considered Warez as it is will be freely included in the OS..
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It look slike Voice Command will be standard to WM6.1 Pro. In fact the version specifically mentioned in the OP is the version in the Leaked at&t WM6.1 Rom.
Personally, I'd say wait for WM6.1 and save the $40. BTW once it is released in a SHIPPED Rom it will no longer be considered Warez as it is will be freely included in the OS..
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Good advice. If it's included in the ROM and a new version of the utility is released, can it be written over the version from the ROM? I presume that it can, short of a reset which would revert it back, right?
I just read something about Android 2.0 and i was wondering if some one knows about it, and how this is gonna work with the roms and how we can use it
in before moved to Q&A. good luck lol
...are you serious?
Oh dear.... If you mean 2.0 on the G1 in specific, it is an unknown if it will happen at this stage. I believe there are some carriers that have promised it but as of this moment we have no date (or gaurantee) of a port to the G1.
As far as features of 2.0 I would make friends with Goggle:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=What's+new+in+Android+2.0&btnG=Google+Search
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=1436
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http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.0-highlights.html
should get you started.
2.0 being released to the public Nov 6th
Okay, so i know cynogen got the c&d for releasing 1.6 a bit to early...so i'm thinking the official release for 2.0 is tomorrow so will devs be able to get 2.0 out on the g1 tomorrow? leave it to verizon to kill the open source project. fukin assholes, i hate verizon. anywho, i am hoping devs will be able to start realeasing 2.0 g1 remixes tomorrow as well...seems like 2.0 kicks ass...turn by turn directions, social network integration, different apps, look at everyone hoping on Google's ****...lol...cmon AT&T you can do it...lol
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Oh dear.... If you mean 2.0 on the G1 in specific, it is an unknown if it will happen at this stage. I believe there are some carriers that have promised it but as of this moment we have no date (or gaurantee) of a port to the G1.
As far as features of 2.0 I would make friends with Goggle:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=What's+new+in+Android+2.0&btnG=Google+Search
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=1436
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http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.0-highlights.html
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This **************
Have... Have you been under a rock??
just because the droid is shipping today doesn't mean they are releasing the new source yet. cyanogen has already said he will be all over it when the open source comes out. he doesn't work on ports so to speak. twisted and barak are working on a droid port though i think
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Okay, so i know cynogen got the c&d for releasing 1.6 a bit to early...so i'm thinking the official release for 2.0 is tomorrow so will devs be able to get 2.0 out on the g1 tomorrow? leave it to verizon to kill the open source project. fukin assholes, i hate verizon. anywho, i am hoping devs will be able to start realeasing 2.0 g1 remixes tomorrow as well...seems like 2.0 kicks ass...turn by turn directions, social network integration, different apps, look at everyone hoping on Google's ****...lol...cmon AT&T you can do it...lol
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Cyanogen probably will not even begin work on 2.0 until it has been released to the AOSP repositories. JBQ has dodged the question as to when this would occur so I would hazard a guess that it will not be for a week or two at least. Once 2.0 has been released there is the additional problem that even with the AOSP code we do not have enough to build a complete ROM. The google components that we get from the base ROM in 1.6 will be missing till we get a base ROM for 2.0. In theory this could be obtained from a different phone (such as Sholes) but then you are setting up whoever ports the ROM to the G1 for a C&D.
I think in the end we are going to need to wait for an official release of 2.0 for the G1. Failing that I think it will take a while to port another ROM and tweak it to the point of being usable for day to day operations.
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Okay, so i know cynogen got the c&d for releasing 1.6 a bit to early...so i'm thinking the official release for 2.0 is tomorrow so will devs be able to get 2.0 out on the g1 tomorrow? leave it to verizon to kill the open source project. fukin assholes, i hate verizon. anywho, i am hoping devs will be able to start realeasing 2.0 g1 remixes tomorrow as well...seems like 2.0 kicks ass...turn by turn directions, social network integration, different apps, look at everyone hoping on Google's ****...lol...cmon AT&T you can do it...lol
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lol, he didn't get the C&D for releasing 1.6 early, the code was in AOSP. The reason he got the C&D was because he was distrobuting the google apps which aren't in AOSP, which none of the developers here are licenced to distribute. The reason they pissed was because he included the new market before it was included in the ROMs on phones shipping with the new market present in 1.6.
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lol, he didn't get the C&D for releasing 1.6 early, the code was in AOSP. The reason he got the C&D was because he was distrobuting the google apps which aren't in AOSP, which none of the developers here are licenced to distribute. The reason they pissed was because he included the new market before it was included in the ROMs on phones shipping with the new market present in 1.6.
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+1
While alot of people think that its just corporate america trying to keep the white man down, Im thinking that it would have been really easy for google to ruin cyan's life when in reality, they just told him what it was he was doing wrong.. He properly adjusted his technique, and now all is good and everyone is happy.
So the blogger over at 'Android and me' has speculated that older devices will not receive the 2.0 update.
This guy has done this before, he also said 1.6 was too big for the G1 OS partition and of course we all know this was wrong.
I want to know what the dev's think, once all the bull**** is striped and the 2.0 source code is at stock for the G1. How large will it be? And how much room will be left over for downloading apps?
Thank you for your time.
And how much room will be left over for downloading apps?
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Shouldnt be too much of an issue if you are running apsd.
They already have 2.0 running on G1's, i havent used it myself, but it is running, so I presume it fits.
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Shouldnt be too much of an issue if you are running apsd.
They already have 2.0 running on G1's, i havent used it myself, but it is running, so I presume it fits.
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I know, I know... I had 2.0 running for a time and it was great. I used apsd and linux-swap. What i want to know is conclusive evidence that the guy over at Android and me is full of ****.
He always speculates that the G1 will not get updates and is usually wrong. What i am wondering is how large the stock 2.0 for the G1 will be. The Dev's may have an idea.
the guy at androidand me is EXACTLY CORRECT.
What you are failing to see is the guys over there are writing for non-rooted phones. They have said in previous posts that this was a moot point for rooted phones and admitted they were already running the upgraded OS.
Both htc and t-mobile have officially stated that the dream is still getting the 2.0 upgrade. As somebody else said, the point is moot for rooted users because we can always port the newer code to our aging phones, but there's a hitch: the moment htc stops supporting the device, we're on our own.
I've yet to see somebody build the android code for the dream without help from the pre-configurations found in the aosp for dream, and now that the sapphire is officially the adp2, i smell the demise of the dream near.
The biggest enabler of the custom firmware movement was the fact that the dream was also the adp1, so there was a lot of interest on making building the platform easy. We just piggybacked on that.
Take one look at has been accomplished with the hero so far. I still remember the whole "let's make htc give us our hero kernel code" because all thought it would open the door for custom hero firmware. they couldnt have been more wrong. without htc's support, all they got was a fancy linux kernel that they had no idea what to do with, and also discovered how little the kernel had to do with android.
There's now a grand total of two aosp roms for the hero, and they're both so broken that they're really just novelties.
What I'm going at is that once htc drops the dream, people are going to realize knowing linux will only take you so far and you'll have to know android if you plan to get at least a botched android build working on the device.
So eventually, even being rooted will not be enough to ensure continued ability to run the best and latest, unless, ofcourse, we get real devs (again, I'm not claiming to be one myself) in here.
Oh, and.... a bigger android install wont mean less app space... learn to android...
The android system belongs in the 70 mb system partition and, on a factory, official build, doesnt spill into the /data partition where you install your apps. And if you do have root and a2sd, what do you care how big the system is, you can always make your ext bigger, so it should't be a worry for a rooted user.
Really... learn 2 android...
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the guy at androidand me is EXACTLY CORRECT.
What you are failing to see is the guys over there are writing for non-rooted phones. They have said in previous posts that this was a moot point for rooted phones and admitted they were already running the upgraded OS.
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You know that the guy at Android and Me has been wrong on this exact issue before right?
When 1.6 was still in the pipes he had a pie chart and everything explaining why it was physically impossible for 1.6 to fit on a G1 (non-rooted). Then 1.6 was pushed to everyone....
http://androidandme.com/2009/08/news/t-mobile-g1-owners-dont-expect-any-future-android-updates/
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He was using his best guess at the time after speaking with t-mo, htc and the lead developer from google. He also assumed we would get a VERSION of OS 1.6. Everything he stated then seemed logical... don't fault the guy for not predicting the future man.
What it all boils down to is this;
Whether a device will get an update or not has virtually NOTHING to do with the device specifications and/or storage space. There is LOTS of space available on the device, despite what some chicken little's speculate based on a moronic look at the "free space in /system" (which has VERY little meaning). What determines whether a device will get a particular update or not has everything to do with what the MANUFACTURER WANTS TO DO.
In other words, this is *all* in the hands of HTC. Even tmobile has hardly anything to do with this since tmobile themselves don't have the source for the proprietary binaries (which happens to be the stumbling block) -- although tmobile can say "not for ours" if they want, HTC can still build the binaries and/or system image for DREAM/ADP1. Fully in their hands and nobody else's.
Which leads to a couple of options for updates;
1) modify the current state of AOSP to remain compatible with existing HTC binaries,
2) reverse engineer HTC proprietary binaries so they're no longer needed.
I vote for #2. The replicant project seems to have this aim, but I don't know if they are still alive or if they died along with the open android alliance... http://trac.osuosl.org/trac/replicant/wiki
I have started a group on facebook called ' the open android movement ' I'm sure it will have absolutely no effect on the monopoly of carriers that are out there denying customers the right to have their phone ship rooted. Which I'm still not seeing at this point to be a bad thing. the ones that mess it up are the people that don't read. shipping with root doesn't mean squat to the average user. but means a ton to the thousands of people out there that have gone through the motions to gain root. Google advertises this platform as an Open Source platform, yet the ones they have to deal with to make the money, continue shut it down. Again I'm at a loss. I have written a letter to the OHA and to Google still with no response. I recently read an article posted at our androidSPIN site androidspin.com/2010/06/16/att-continues-to-lock-down-android about AT&T Locking the latest phone down further and not allowing external apps to be installed. this would detour any company that makes beta apps for testing on the device or for Companys like EA and Gameloft from being able to sell games directly. to add insult to injury T-Mobile is releasing an app called device tune-up. to hopefully help extend battery life. Which is another contradictory to me. Google has explained many times that an external app killer is not necessary due to the OS and how it operates. One day i hope these carriers quit locking down and restricting phones and let the people take over. For instance. The battey life on my My Touch 3G original is better then the G1, but with the ROM im running (which is a fully operational and functioning port of 2.1) my battery life is nearly triple what the stock 1.6 OS that they have on it. it's not about apps. its about the lack of support and understanding the carriers have of the OS. If a carrier took a great phone, the nexus or incredible or whatever has the best hardware, and let the community support it and build for it the phones would sell 2ce as fast. It wouldn't take much and it would save the carriers and the OEM's a ton of money on development and resources. take it to our DEV's. cyanogen, eugene_373, htcclay and many others it would change the game. Think about it for a minute. i have a G1 and MT3G all rooted. all with different versions of android and i flash all the time.... did I switch to sprint? no im still paying T-Mobile for service. Rooting isn't unlocking to take to another carrier. the numbers speak for then selves, OpenEclair v1.3.0.1 by openteam 41353 downloads just off of androidSPIN. CyanogenMod-5 v5.0.7 Stable by Cyanogen 21927 downloads. just 3 different ROMs of many. and those are both Android 2.1 eclair that the G1 or MT3G may or may not ever see. maybe it will jump to 2.2 but i promise the DEV's will take it and make it faster, better, more stable and increase battery life. all im saying is this: Why do the carriers still fight the OS and the customers? Why do they sign up to be part of the OPEN HANDSET ALLIANCE but lock down the handsets? Isn't that a contradiction? I have answers and I continuously ask questions. If anyone wants to be our friend go search for the open android movement, write things up. ask the questions email the carriers email the OEM's email everyone. sitting back and complaining doesn't get us anywhere. if this huge group of people get together and start asking someone will have to listen and make a change. I want it changed. you want it changed. Wouldn't it be great if you had a preinstalled app that lists ROM's to download and flash like the rooters already have? wouldn't it be nice to use your phone you sped hundreds of dollars on the way it was ment to be used. hit us up! help join the movement.
I just read this over on phandroid here's a link just take out the space after the .
phandroid. com/2010/06/22/htc-delivering-froyo-to-the-htc-desire-and-legend-within-the-next-two-weeks/
Already got froyo on my n1 and it's sweet. I wonder how much of a speed boost the legend will gain?
let's just hope you are right about this i'm dying to see froyo on my legend and starting to regret for picking legend over desire
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let's just hope you are right about this i'm dying to see froyo on my legend and starting to regret for picking legend over desire
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same here.. but still looks cooler than Desire
except the "antenna" at the bottom, it's quite loose, the only thing that I don't like hardware-wise
hope that Froyo will improve it software-wise
by the way, just checked the original source (a german site) and they have update from today - we are not getting Froyo in two weeks.. everything is indefinite....
Here is the original source.
Translated by google:
HTC has denied through his PR agency, that there will be two weeks in an operating system update for the Desire and the Legend. The statement was based on a misunderstanding. It is certain that the HTC Hero will receive in the next two weeks, his update to Android 2.1. In the update for the HTC Desire remains vague and will deliver an update to the third quarter. Whether and when to upgrade to the Legend Android 2.2 get, you do not know yet.
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To me this more and more sounds like the Legend is definitely not getting FroYo. They would confirm it by now otherwise (like they did for the Desire).
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To me this more and more sounds like the Legend is definitely not getting FroYo. They would confirm it by now otherwise (like they did for the Desire).
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what? you're totally wrong, htc and desire will have froyo in the same time as they had the other updates together in the past.
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what? you're totally wrong, htc and desire will have froyo in the same time as they had the other updates together in the past.
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Uh, the article actually directly says this won't happen. Google translate failed.
Well I've heard multiple times before this that customer service reps from htc have also confirmed the update to froyo for the legend. The most recent being an email from a customer service rep stating that the user fear not about his flash playing troubles because android 2.2 and incidentally flash 10.1 would be released for the htc legend within the next 2 weeks.
Follow this up by the recent release of flash 10.1 for android 2.2 and the release of the android 2.2 source code being released today the statement of "within the next 2 weeks" seem to be exactly what is happening. Not only is android 2.2 pretty much here but will be available sooner rather then later. To add further flame to the fire htc repeatedly said android 2.2 will be supported by almost all 2010 devices and with the desire being more widely available and more powerful it is more likely to be put in with definite android 2.2 compatible even though the desire and legend get almost always get updates at the same time.
The most likely reason the statement was pulled? Well it must simply be due to google not publishing the source code yet, thus letting people essentially know froyo is ready.
Htc most certainly can't pull the plug on 2.2 before google itself does. But! Now that it has published final froyo source code it is 99.9% done and is most likely waiting to be uploaded to the server.
My uneducated guess is that we'll see froyo on the legend by mid july at the latest.
Also not sure if anyone thought of this, but bell (and indirectly virgin mobile canada) are not stupid companies. They are introducing a new android phone and thus throwing massive amounts of ad $ and marketing into it, from both bell/virgin AND htc itself. Remember this is virgins FIRST android set and bells 4th or 5th, they would most likely have talked to htc to make sure the device is upgradeable to the newest android. They just started selling it, they aren't going to allow it to be out dated within the month its released! If the did it would be a waste on advertising and a waste of introducing a new phone.
That's just my 2 cents, but it seems very logical to me, how about you?
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Well I've heard multiple times before this that customer service reps from htc have also confirmed the update to froyo for the legend. The most recent being an email from a customer service rep stating that the user fear not about his flash playing troubles because android 2.2 and incidentally flash 10.1 would be released for the htc legend within the next 2 weeks.
Follow this up by the recent release of flash 10.1 for android 2.2 and the release of the android 2.2 source code being released today the statement of "within the next 2 weeks" seem to be exactly what is happening. Not only is android 2.2 pretty much here but will be available sooner rather then later. To add further flame to the fire htc repeatedly said android 2.2 will be supported by almost all 2010 devices and with the desire being more widely available and more powerful it is more likely to be put in with definite android 2.2 compatible even though the desire and legend get almost always get updates at the same time.
The most likely reason the statement was pulled? Well it must simply be due to google not publishing the source code yet, thus letting people essentially know froyo is ready.
Htc most certainly can't pull the plug on 2.2 before google itself does. But! Now that it has published final froyo source code it is 99.9% done and is most likely waiting to be uploaded to the server.
My uneducated guess is that we'll see froyo on the legend by mid july at the latest.
Also not sure if anyone thought of this, but bell (and indirectly virgin mobile canada) are not stupid companies. They are introducing a new android phone and thus throwing massive amounts of ad $ and marketing into it, from both bell/virgin AND htc itself. Remember this is virgins FIRST android set and bells 4th or 5th, they would most likely have talked to htc to make sure the device is upgradeable to the newest android. They just started selling it, they aren't going to allow it to be out dated within the month its released! If the did it would be a waste on advertising and a waste of introducing a new phone.
That's just my 2 cents, but it seems very logical to me, how about you?
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Go read about the HTC Hero. HTC's all about wasting time.
Good news, i am waiting it. BTW, does anyone have link to stock ROM froyo for any device? Pls give me the link, i'll try to port it for legend.
Thanks.
Sent from my HTC Legend using Tapatalk
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Go read about the HTC Hero. HTC's all about wasting time.
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Well, HTC may be about "wasting time" but I assure you a phone carrier isn't about wasting money on a device that will essentially be obsolete within the month they release it. Case in point no north american phone carrier's are introducing any android devices that aren't running android 2.2 or able to upgrade to it, why should bell/virgin mobile be any different?
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Good news, i am waiting it. BTW, does anyone have link to stock ROM froyo for any device? Pls give me the link, i'll try to port it for legend.
Thanks.
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The legitimate release hasn't been release, although litterally 5 minutes ago I saw reports on endgadget that small ota's of frf83 we're infact being pushed out via ota right now.
Also in this forum section someone is currently developing froyo and hopes to release it by the weekend, maybe send that person a pm?
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Well I've heard multiple times before this that customer service reps from htc have also confirmed the update to froyo for the legend. The most recent being an email from a customer service rep stating that the user fear not about his flash playing troubles because android 2.2 and incidentally flash 10.1 would be released for the htc legend within the next 2 weeks.
Follow this up by the recent release of flash 10.1 for android 2.2 and the release of the android 2.2 source code being released today the statement of "within the next 2 weeks" seem to be exactly what is happening. Not only is android 2.2 pretty much here but will be available sooner rather then later. To add further flame to the fire htc repeatedly said android 2.2 will be supported by almost all 2010 devices and with the desire being more widely available and more powerful it is more likely to be put in with definite android 2.2 compatible even though the desire and legend get almost always get updates at the same time.
The most likely reason the statement was pulled? Well it must simply be due to google not publishing the source code yet, thus letting people essentially know froyo is ready.
Htc most certainly can't pull the plug on 2.2 before google itself does. But! Now that it has published final froyo source code it is 99.9% done and is most likely waiting to be uploaded to the server.
My uneducated guess is that we'll see froyo on the legend by mid july at the latest.
Also not sure if anyone thought of this, but bell (and indirectly virgin mobile canada) are not stupid companies. They are introducing a new android phone and thus throwing massive amounts of ad $ and marketing into it, from both bell/virgin AND htc itself. Remember this is virgins FIRST android set and bells 4th or 5th, they would most likely have talked to htc to make sure the device is upgradeable to the newest android. They just started selling it, they aren't going to allow it to be out dated within the month its released! If the did it would be a waste on advertising and a waste of introducing a new phone.
That's just my 2 cents, but it seems very logical to me, how about you?
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I totally agree witjh you. Froyo for legend is sure as it is sure for desire. These two phones will receive the update in the same time I think . Anyway your point is the only point with a sense. I think the same.
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I totally agree witjh you. Froyo for legend is sure as it is sure for desire. These two phones will receive the update in the same time I think . Anyway your point is the only point with a sense. I think the same.
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well i'm glad someone does. but you are right, this is currently all speculation and my point.. although it does all seem to add up correctly.
i guess only time will tell, but i'm not worried
it's confirmed too by HTC European customer service
I've got confirmed as well by the European customer service by an E-mail that a 2.2 upgrade will be available for the Legend in a month. I'm counting back too everyday.
mihalyf said:
I've got confirmed as well by the European customer service by an E-mail that a 2.2 upgrade will be available for the Legend in a month. I'm counting back too everyday.
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This sounds promising
Well i am keeping my fingers crossed for froyo & gingerbread as well .....
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I've got confirmed as well by the European customer service by an E-mail that a 2.2 upgrade will be available for the Legend in a month. I'm counting back too everyday.
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@mihalyf, Could you please post a screenshot of the email or a proof of the confirmation from customer service?
.. Well, blurring out whatever you think is necessary of course..
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@mihalyf, Could you please post a screenshot of the email or a proof of the confirmation from customer service?
.. Well, blurring out whatever you think is necessary of course..
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here you are
.... I am sure you can appreciate that it is out of bounce for me to promise an exact date on the launch of the new upgrade.
I can however say that this upgrade will come during this month.
Sorry I cannot be more specific about this. ....