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is it gay T&T, or htc, or is it windows mobile, or is it the qualcomm chipset???

let me start of by saying that thanks to everyone that has left, inquired about or done something on this site to help others in customizing their phones beyond what is normally acceptable. and to the women of the men that have to deal with the guys tinkering around with their phones all day and ignoring you. lol. that being said, i have a few questions that i think after searching this website for almost a year i dont think anyone has targetted. as the title states, what do you think it is. is it possible for 3g devices just to not hold a connection to a tower, even with 3g turned off? i drop calls constantly and i dont mean a dropped call, i mean my phone just looses connection with the tower. 3rd fuze, so many different roms lata, still the same thing. now let me also inform you that i live in a part of town where there really is no coverage inside my house and i accept that fact. but even when i'm sitting outside my house, my phone will go from 2 bars to zero and the bluetooth in my ear keeps beeping till the stupid phone finds the stupid network. now talk about frustration. i have tried an Iphone, i have tried blackberries, i have tried symbian, basically i have tried anything that gay t&t can throw at me in terms of hardware and mind you these handsets are not cheap, i have the same issue in the same spots. i also live in one of the biggest markets in N America for wireless service and using the official coverage viewer, i am currently in a "great" 3g area. this area being the wonderful metroplex of dfw. now after doing some research and lots n lots of playing around with windows phones (going on 5 years) and finding out the downfalls of windows mobile, i am completely willing to accept those downfalls and still wanna use it on a day to day basis. hands down there isn't another OS as open to doing what you want, having the information you want in a efficient way. call me a fanboy but windows still has a hand up in the game even though it still looks like crap and the big 800 pound gorilla that is MS isn't willing to conform to anyone else's standard and make their OS look pretty. its about functionality and to the smart user thats where its at. i have also read a lot on qualcomm and this issue of drivers and performance and how devices that are almost pre historic are running better emulators, videos and the such without any luck on getting performance on the device. okay now that i have written a novel and most of you will be asleep by the time you read this, i need some honest opinions. really what i'm trying to do is figure out where to point the finger. or maybe by having enough ppl ***** about the same problem we might have someone look into better technology that is not only practical but is also reliable. not just one of the two.
thanks to all that got this far. lol
frustrated.
b.t.w i work in wireless so plz dont respond back with your an idiot blah blah blah, i deal with enough customers that are like that on a daily basis.

I am sure what you say is interesting, but franky I try to read your post and lost it after three lines. TBH, the first thought I had when seeing your post was to close the firefox tab ...
If you add some return to line to your post, it would really help.
And I don't mean to be rude, I just want to help you get more people to read ...

thanks for moving

I am not sure what you are asking...or telling?

yasserwaqas said:
is it possible for 3g devices just to not hold a connection to a tower, even with 3g turned off?
i drop calls constantly and i dont mean a dropped call, i mean my phone just looses connection with the tower.
3rd fuze, so many different roms lata, still the same thing.
now let me also inform you that i live in a part of town where there really is no coverage inside my house and i accept that fact. but even when i'm sitting outside my house, my phone will go from 2 bars to zero and the bluetooth in my ear keeps beeping till the stupid phone finds the stupid network. now talk about frustration.
i have tried an Iphone, i have tried blackberries, i have tried symbian, basically i have tried anything that gay t&t can throw at me in terms of hardware and mind you these handsets are not cheap, i have the same issue in the same spots.
i also live in one of the biggest markets in N America for wireless service and using the official coverage viewer, i am currently in a "great" 3g area. this area being the wonderful metroplex of dfw.
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I have split out the key points so this is a bit easier to read,
my first thought was to say its either a hardware fault or you need to upgrade your radio, however I then saw this part of your post....
i have tried an Iphone, i have tried blackberries, i have tried symbian, basically i have tried anything that gay t&t can throw at me in terms of hardware and mind you these handsets are not cheap, i have the same issue in the same spots.
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surely if your getting the same issue on completely different devices then it is a network issue in your area?
it maybe worth a look at getting a pay as you go sim from another network and trying that to see if you get the same issue.
Ril

I have similar AT&Tcoverage issues in my house, but when I have a strong signal, the phone works fine. No dropped calls or lost connections.
If you like the TouchPro, you may want to try Verizon. You can sign-up and have 30 days to cancel if the coverage is not good. One difference between AT&T & Verizon is that AT&T will support simultaneous voice and data connections where Verizon will not. This is why I chose AT&T, but my coverage is so spotty in Charlotte, I wish I had gone with Verizon. The simultaneous feature seemed important, but in practice, I am not sure I have ever needed it.
The only other challenge with Verizon is that you have to use their phone. You cannot get your own and drop in a SIM card. This limits your ability to waste time and money chasing the latest and greatest hardware which is kind of a bummer.
Good Luck.
Doug M.

lets do this.....
Why dont you...
b.t.w i work in wireless so plz dont respond back with your an idiot blah blah blah, i deal with enough customers that are like that on a daily basis.
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Well if you are a super-knowledge about wireles why you didnt found the answer yet...?
Maybe you can test this... dissassembly your oldest device... phone or whatever symbian, iphone whatever!!! every device gots the anthenna like a green ribbon inside the phone housing, if the phone's MotherBoard has a contact conector try to unplug the ribbon from the housing then connect it and see where does the phone gets the signal strenght enough as you wish, see all around maybe there is a big metal structure or big building and far repetition anthenas or behind.
As you must know
b.t.w i work in wireless so plz dont respond back with your an idiot blah blah blah, i deal with enough customers that are like that on a daily basis.
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In some parts of the country has great signal or bad signal streght because of many natural things, like magnetism, surface, and weather.
Ask to your neightbor if he gets the same issue on his phone... dude... get out of there if the device lost completly the signal.

dwmackay said:
One difference between AT&T & Verizon is that AT&T will support simultaneous voice and data connections where Verizon will not.
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Actually I'm pretty sure Verizon will also support simultaneous voice and data connections. I also regrett picking at&t because coverage is so much better where I live (charlotte as well) but then I think about how verizon tends to cripple their phones and the whole locked to cdma carriers thing. For example when the vz touch pro first came out, the gps was locked to only their gps software so no tom tom or google maps and they also cut the ram down to 192.

I think its just your area

sorry bout the post in the wrong place n thank you for moving it. for you that couldn't understand what this post was about, this was really an attempt to c if anyone else is having these problems. are they due to technology limitations or am i just expecting too much.
i will address the replies one by one, atleast the ones that had somethign useful to say.
r4st4m4n'--- If you add some return to line to your post, it would really help.
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(wut does that mean)???
blackc5 ---i am not sure what you are asking...or telling?
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hahaha....read my friend read.
Ril --- surely if your getting the same issue on completely different devices then it is a network issue in your area? it maybe worth a look at getting a pay as you go sim from another network and trying that to see if you get the same issue.---
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thank u for splitting up my points. this is probably why my english grades were never betta than a C. as far as ur point on network issues. definately a good possiblity although at&t techs have been in the area to test connections and coverage with no luck.
we use a code with agent plans that gives the "network support team" a msg saying there is an issue with a specific tower. waiting on getting this code and sending them a bunch of "*#" requests. lol.
dwmackay ---If you like the TouchPro, you may want to try Verizon. You can sign-up and have 30 days to cancel if the coverage is not good
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i wouldn't consider verizon cuz of the cdma thing. i know i know, call me picky but i do travel internationally (not that much) but still. and there is no way i wanna pay roaming charges to fill the pockets of some big wig.
+ Que PPC --- Well if you are a super-knowledge about wireless why you didnt found the answer yet...?
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i wasn't the one i said i was "super-knowledge" about wireless, you did. All i was stating was that i "work" in wireless. not sure how that makes me a wireless genius but okay. i like someone tooting my horn. haha. and disconnecting and connecting my antenna cables is a little too much for a casual user to mess with. do you think i can tell that to a customer that i just sold a fuze too. they would laugh in my face. but on ur request i will try this process just to c if i'm wrong.
DrzNight --- about voice n data
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i think its a 3g thing. voice and data simultaneously, have tried to do it on other gsm phones that were edge and wouldnt' allow.
dnieman13---I think its just YOU...
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haha. n finally i think ur rite. it prolly is me.

Mmmm maybe....
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+ Que PPC --- Well if you are a super-knowledge about wireless why you didnt found the answer yet...?
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i wasn't the one i said i was "super-knowledge" about wireless, you did. All i was stating was that i "work" in wireless. not sure how that makes me a wireless genius but okay. i like someone tooting my horn. haha. and disconnecting and connecting my antenna cables is a little too much for a casual user to mess with. do you think i can tell that to a customer that i just sold a fuze too. they would laugh in my face. but on ur request i will try this process just to c if i'm wrong.
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So as you work in wireless, the meaning of "i think its yours" is like this...
b.t.w i work in wireless so plz dont respond back with your an idiot blah blah blah, i deal with enough customers that are like that on a daily basis.
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Stay cool dude if you ask for something read too... in just tellin you that you may live in an area with issues on signal... agian... ask to your neighbor maybe he gots the signal strenght low.
Oh yeap, I just laugh on faces when the question is wrong applied and sounds so bad, bad enough to think that person is a jerk, but if you ask correctly your answer always comes clearly.
keep it up dude!

okay let me respond to that ppc.
i'm sorry if i came across as rude. wasn't my intent, i was just telling you what you had said.
and yes i have tried having three different carriers,(at&t, t-mobile n verizon) numerous different phones and in and around my house i'm just getting horrible service. matter of fact, the only i have not tried is sprint, and again due to the limitations of that network i just rather not go there. i can't just up and move out of my house and having cell phone coverage is HIGHLY important. guess i'll just have to wait on the femto cells at&t is promising before the end of the year...

Google adds free turn-by-turn navigation, car dock UI to Android 2.0

Worth noting this one, not really out for the dream yet, more of something to look forward to.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/google-adds-free-turn-by-turn-navigation-car-dock-ui-to-android/

Cute, but unfortunately, it required a data plan -- at least for rerouting (if you stay on route, it uses cache), which is the most important use-case for GPS nav.

Official post by Google including pictures and videos: http://www.google.com/mobile/navigation/index.html#p=default

lbcoder said:
Cute, but unfortunately, it required a data plan
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If you don't have a dataplan (or some other way to give your phone internet connectivity) there's no way Google Navigation will be able to perform voice search, street view, real-time traffic, or anything else that differentiates this from a standard nav device or nav software.

aad4321 said:
if you dont have a data plan on your android phone, go sit in the corner of the room and cry, because you are an idiot.
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lamo
and +1

im just waiting to read about how our wonderful dream wont be able to run 2.0
once again, F*** verizon and the horse they rode in on. Tmo shoulda done everything possible to get the moto droid.

aad4321 said:
if you dont have a data plan on your android phone, go sit in the corner of the room and cry, because you are an idiot.
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lol words right out of my mouth..

aad4321 said:
if you dont have a data plan on your android phone, go sit in the corner of the room and cry, because you are an idiot.
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Exactly i was just trying to be good and keep my mouth shut

While I agree that its pretty pointless to have a G1 without a dataplan, I will say that TMO's network is not equal in all areas. I can barely get edge where I am so while this will be great for those fortunate enough to stay in 3g, people without 3g or travel frequently to non 3g areas may need an offline solution.

So whats a guy gotta do to get this navigation on his g1? i have no patience!! we need this app!!
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I use CoPilot and I've been happy since day1. Everything happens/is stored locally so its great for those with limited/no data coverage. I did notice that it refuses to find Burger King though. Haven't tried McDonald's though....

after seeing tomtom and garmins stocks take a tumble i cant shake the evil feeling that crept down my spine. its cool that googs is giving us these cool things but competition is good for consumers to have.

xavier6303 said:
While I agree that its pretty pointless to have a G1 without a dataplan, I will say that TMO's network is not equal in all areas. I can barely get edge where I am so while this will be great for those fortunate enough to stay in 3g, people without 3g or travel frequently to non 3g areas may need an offline solution.
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Well being that your location is Lancaster, PA, there's no wonder why you barely get edge signal. That's damn Amish country..u know them people don't have running water, much less cell phones. I used to live in Allentown, PA and my uncle lives in Lancaster. I used to hate them trips to Lancaster. Move into civilization then maybe you can enjoy the wonders of 3G!

xavier6303 said:
I use CoPilot and I've been happy since day1. Everything happens/is stored locally so its great for those with limited/no data coverage. I did notice that it refuses to find Burger King though. Haven't tried McDonald's though....
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Ditto here....use and was happy with CoPilot, however, have said on here and other forums that Google simply needed to man-up and take that last step to provide realtime navigation and they'd put everyone else out of the market.
Looks like that just happened.
However, I will be keeping CoPilot as I do often travel into areas with *zero* coverage. Driving between north Edwards AFB, CA and Las Vegas at night is a bit hair raising. No signals out there, much less even EDGE.

Paging Dr B said:
after seeing tomtom and garmins stocks take a tumble i cant shake the evil feeling that crept down my spine. its cool that googs is giving us these cool things but competition is good for consumers to have.
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Or you could say that their stocks were overvalued to begin with? This is competition at its finest, if you ask me.

They are playng some shady games with them stocks if you ask me.
It's kinda pointless having a navigation that requires data connection, I mean - it's GPS - you might want to go offroad and loose 2G/3g or whatever GSM signal. You'd also consider to go abroad not paying attention you are roaming (you know, being an average user) and when you come back - SNAP - a 10000$ bill... Oh, and I don't have a data plan, I'm crying in the corner.
The presentation video was amazing and really got me wow-ed. However, if you are somewhere in the woods, without data coverage, you might wanna shake the dust off that old NUVI you are keeping, just in case...

julez456 said:
Well being that your location is Lancaster, PA, there's no wonder why you barely get edge signal. That's damn Amish country..u know them people don't have running water, much less cell phones. I used to live in Allentown, PA and my uncle lives in Lancaster. I used to hate them trips to Lancaster. Move into civilization then maybe you can enjoy the wonders of 3G!
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Well, I just moved to Lancaster in July. Before that, I lived in Atlanta and was enjoying great 3g speeds. My wife is from this area so...we are here now.
aad4321 said:
yeah, i have that...but i mean come on...its google....ITS GOOGLE! im sure its going to be amazing.
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True True and native and free (relatively speaking) is always better
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they have 3G in lancaster now lol...
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I saw that they have Lancaster listed as a 3g area on their coverage map but I still have yet to find it...the ever elusive 3g! I get pretty good edge when Im out and about though so Im not really complaining. I would just love to have 3g while Im in bed for those... "I wonder..." moments.

xavier6303 said:
Well, I just moved to Lancaster in July. Before that, I lived in Atlanta and was enjoying great 3g speeds. My wife is from this area so...we are here now.
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Sorry to hear that..don't run into any horse-drawn carriages out there..lol

xavier6303 said:
While I agree that its pretty pointless to have a G1 without a dataplan, I will say that TMO's network is not equal in all areas. I can barely get edge where I am so while this will be great for those fortunate enough to stay in 3g, people without 3g or travel frequently to non 3g areas may need an offline solution.
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TeleNav does just fine on GPRS. With the map caching, I don't see where TMO's network would make navigation in Google Maps an issue. As long as you're not using satellite view, or zoomed waayy out, I doubt it'll be much different (bandwidth-wise) from TeleNav.

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They are playng some shady games with them stocks if you ask me.
It's kinda pointless having a navigation that requires data connection, I mean - it's GPS - you might want to go offroad and loose 2G/3g or whatever GSM signal. You'd also consider to go abroad not paying attention you are roaming (you know, being an average user) and when you come back - SNAP - a 10000$ bill... Oh, and I don't have a data plan, I'm crying in the corner.
The presentation video was amazing and really got me wow-ed. However, if you are somewhere in the woods, without data coverage, you might wanna shake the dust off that old NUVI you are keeping, just in case...
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Hehe, well, to be fair, turn-by-turn navigation as a whole is pretty useless for any area without roads or places to go. We still have our compasses, though...

I'm surprised people aren't making a bigger deal out of this. I'm extremely excited. Not only is this a free, seemingly top-quality GPS app, but it's tied into the phone quite nicely, and it's way more innovative than anything Garmin or TomTom have put out, ever.

is it my device or the network? 3g speed.

i just got this phone yesterday. it's a pretty good phone and feel solid but what dissapoint me is the web browsing speed. i live in tampa and i heard we got hspa. so i dunno why i'm getting 0.40-70 mbps most of the times. the guys who work at t-mobile show me their speed test on their nexus one shows around 2-4.0 mbps.
anyway to fix this problem? did i got a faulty device? i usually try the web in my house and i dunno if that's the reason why my nexus one doesn't get fast speed. but my evo 4g runs okay.....even tho it's from sprint.

You sure that you have the T-mobile version of the nexus one?
AKA- is it displaying the 3g Icon?

okay, i've just drove around tampa and speed test my nexus one's 3g. the highest i went up to so far is 2.61 mbps. that's the highest i think i've seen so far from my nexus one. even my sprint's evo 4g doesn't go up that high. that's not bad! lol i'll try to compare those two again tomorrow when i'm at work. i guess the reason why i got slow speed is because i'm in a crowd neighborhood community and t-mobile coverage is not as good compare to when i go to the main road. even tho i did i got 1.36 mbs yesternight when i stepped out of my house. in the house....it's not so good.
well, i'm glad it's not my nexus one problem and more to do with my area. now i get go return my evo 4g and save some money on my family plan. gotta admit tho, sprint's 3g stay consistent most of the time compare to tmobile.
and yea, i checked the inside back of my phone yesterday and it was for tmobile. it shows 3g most of the times too. thanks man. cheer!

In my opinion, sometimes those radio waves just don't pass through walls as easily as gamma particles do. Now, if we could figure out a way to get a phone to use gamma radiation, but not kill people or give them cancer, that might be a pretty sweet setup!! Sorry, this probably makes no sense, but I am tired, and its late.

make sense lol. could it be the material of the walls? because when i'm at walmart or some of the other stores, the 3g on my evo 4g is still fast. haven't tried the nexus yet.

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In my opinion, sometimes those radio waves just don't pass through walls as easily as gamma particles do. Now, if we could figure out a way to get a phone to use gamma radiation, but not kill people or give them cancer, that might be a pretty sweet setup!! Sorry, this probably makes no sense, but I am tired, and its late.
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I don't know if what you're saying is true or not, but I think I rather have low cellphone signal than cancer lol..

I just seem to get worse 3G reception when I go inside a building. Like in my house, I am getting 200 kbps, but outside it will be closer to 700 sometimes. It really bums me out
But, yes, I agree with you. Bad cell phone reception is better than getting cancer. Tho there are some nuts that think that cell phones WILL give you cancer, lol.

What phone is good that picks up At&t 3g?

I have been looking and looking but i cannot find anything. All i can find is the Blackberry Torch but i would like to stay here on XDA. I have had the Nexus one and i really dont want it again.
The Samsung Captivate just doesnt stand out to me. Its just like the N1 and is to big IMO. I really like the Desire Z but its T-mobile, so what are my choices here? I want something new that is not an Iphone with Android.

Dude, Moto Flipout. Case closed.
good day.

chopper the dog said:
Dude, Moto Flipout. Case closed.
good day.
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No thats to small i wouldnt even be able to use 3g then

htc Desire @D what about the motorola droid x?! sorry dont know much about at&t since I live in the uk

ATT oversold
The problem is not the phone it is the carrier. They oversold the bandwidth on the 3g-net and That is why I do not have them anymore. They kick you down to 2g all the time and in the west where I am they are King of dropped calls That is why i am on T Mobile. They have problems but my connection it typically 2.5mb download and 1.5 up on average

I have to agree with oka1. Not only do they kick you down to 2g, they charge you for chunks of data instead of an unlimited plan. And after the exclusive contract with Apple dries up, I don't know how much longer they can stick around.
If anything, stay away from the crackberry. Worst selling phone in the history of smartphones (besides the Kin lol)
Honestly, if you are in-between contracts, I'd switch. T-Mobile has a lot of good things going for it (HSXPA compatible with ALL 3g phones, unlimited data, flexpay plans, etc), and it's still considered one of the smallest carriers in the US. And, let's not forget how the G1 debuted on T-Mobile
If you're the patient type, I'd wait until AT LEAST December to purchase a new phone, as anything you buy now will be obsolete by January (what with all the craze about dual-core processors up to 1.5 GHz).

I haven't had any problems with speed or dropped calls with the Tilt 2. I've had it for about 3 months now, first tilt before that no probs either.
But like the others here have said, a lot of it depends on your location.

Switching From Sprint to Verizon TOday!! (Question About Service)

Hey guys How everyone doing?
I see that you guys dont got a Q&A Section over here, so I decided to drop this here. Today i'm heading over to the store to switch from Sprint to Verizon.Needless to say Sprint service has only gotten worse over the years. Been with them for almost 10 years now (be 10 yrs in Janurary). AnyWhoo, I got a couple of questions for you guys, pretty straight forward, and Sorry in advance if this was the wrong place for this. But basically im coming from the EVO 3D (EVO 4G Previous to that) and I understand that the Razor is being released in early November, But I need to switch today cause between the TErrible 3G, and Data and such, I need my phone for work. My Co-Worker has Verizon and tells me that his Data coverage is amazing. So im thinking of picking up the Bionic, seeing that its the latest and greatest out right now on Verizon, But Ive been reading around for the past 24hrs that alot of people have there 3G/4G signal just cut off. Now I dont really lose my 3G (5 miles north of Boston) here, but the data speeds are just so slow that I cant really do anything most of the time. I got ROOT and all of that good stuff of course, but trying all the different Tweaks and Radios and such can only help so much. So my Question is, Is the Bionic Plagued with losing its 3G/4G signal out of no where constantly? I figured I'd ask you guys before I did anything today. Thats the one thing that worrys the most. Of course im also worried about root and such, cause over at the EVO 3D DEV section we got some great DEVin going on right now, But I really gotta focus on more important things than that right now. Any advice would be great fellas! I really appreciate it, and once again SORRY if this was put in the wrong place
Jon

I refuse to read this until you break some of this up into paragraphs....this is ridiculous.
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WOW.....Gee thanks for the help Brotha!!! that was so helpful in many ways. DO you really have that much trouble reading it? Jesus, DO you want me to add 10 periods between each word LOL?

I like my Bionic and all (and the coverage is certainly better than the ATT garbage I came from) but I would recommend seriously considering the Nexus Prime. (Screw the RAZR.) If you've been with Sprint for a decade, are you sure that you absolutely cannot wait another 2-4 weeks for a clean, unlockable phone?

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I like my Bionic and all (and the coverage is certainly better than the ATT garbage I came from) but I would recommend seriously considering the Nexus Prime. (Screw the RAZR.) If you've been with Sprint for a decade, are you sure that you absolutely cannot wait another 2-4 weeks for a clean, unlockable phone?
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well that was my original intention. But the one thing i was worried about was AVAILABILITY for the galaxy nexus. I figured id would have to be a member of verizon in order to pre-order the nexus. So I thought maybe ill get the bionic for now until the galaxy nexus came out. But things with sprint has just gotten to bad lately. Its a tough decision, but now u got me second guessing LOL. that may be the best thing i think. Thanks for the feedback!!!

This is just my experience, but I have noticed the data has been dropping a lot lately. I lost data yesterday, but after I turned the phone on the off it came back.
My only issue with doing that is when I power down & restart I lose apps, which gets old. Then I have to download all again.
Its frustrating paying $110+ a month for something that loses data & forces me to reinstall apps.
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In. my opinion the bionic is a dirty phone and would recommend it to anyone the data is blazing fast and I very rarely have any data drops and I have to be in the middle of nowhere for that to happen. And with the fact that you can't add an extended battery to the razr this phone is just plain better.
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In. my opinion the bionic is a dirty phone and would recommend it to anyone the data is blazing fast and I very rarely have any data drops and I have to be in the middle of nowhere for that to happen. And with the fact that you can't add an extended battery to the razr this phone is just plain better.
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But the data drops aren't from spotty network, they're from a goofy radio. So, to me that is a toss-up. You can live in a prime coverage area, like me, and still have issues. The upcoming patch is supposed to fix the problem on all phones, but I will believe it when I see it. MOT has already backpedaled on the bootloader issue, so I would not be surprised to see them do so on a 100% radio fix.
As I said, I would not even consider the RAZR. I replaced the battery on my iPhone six times (no kidding), so the idea of not being able to swap a batt without disassembling the handset drives me nuts, even if it does take less than 10 minutes.
If you are able to get a Bionic now and trade to a Prime when they come out, then you really have nothing to lose. For someone who does not have that option, though, waiting a few extra weeks would be advisable IMO.

Another vote for waiting for the Galaxy Nexus. I really like my Bionic, but Motorola has already said, by releasing the Razr, that the Bionic isn't its priority anymore, and given the number of issues many are having with the phone and the locked bootloader, I'm tempted to say that if you can wait and get the GNex, you should. My 14 days ran out before the GNex was announced, but otherwise, I would've made the jump.
Also, skip the Razr altogether. It's a slightly improved Bionic with no user-replaceable battery. Don't bother.

I made the switch from Sprint to Verizon in July (to lock in the unlimited data plan - had to pay an ETF for that but it was worth it - I had an Evo 4G). Service and speeds are amazing, but as other posters have stated, I get the data drops like once a day. Usually, a flip to Airplane mode and back fixes the problem. I am sure it is bad radio code, not a bad network.
I started with a Droid Charge through Costco with the hope of being able to swap it out for the Bionic. As luck would have it, Costco eagerly replaced the Charge with a Bionic for both me and my wife because the Charge had such crappy bluetooth that would drop all the time for many of their customers. There was no argument when we went back in.
Now Bionic: I love the Webtop mode and for that reason would probably stick with Motorola, but my work may be different than yours. I'm typically in an office setting that has a lot of network lockdowns. Having a 'second computer' over which my employer has no control is very nice.
My concerns regarding the Nexus are two-fold: 1) I don't know if they will use the same crappy file system that they used on the Charge or if Google had complete control over the software down to that level of detail. It could also be that ICS uses a whole new file system - I just don't know - I am only pointing it out as an area I would research if I were making the same purchase decision as you are.
2) Development for the Charge was limited. With Google's impending purchase of Moto, I expect accelerated development on Moto products.
Finally, with regards to the Razr: Cool, but no replaceable battery means no battery pulls when things go wrong. I stand taller than 4'8" so an extra 5mm of phone thickness in my pocket is not an issue.

Hi Jon,
I've had EVERY carrier over the past few years, and I can say, Verizon is by far the best. In todays day in age where data is everything... Verizon brings it. Even 3G I would still sometimes get 1.5mbps, and now with LTE 4G, its amazing.
The price of Verizon is kind of "Eh" but, when I'm sitting on the Naval base (which gets horrific signal) and I can still pull 10-15mbps down, I can say I'm one happy guy.
The only thing that concerns me about Verizon is their policies on things, ie: Bootloaders, Rooting, etc. If I were you. I'd wait until the Nexus becomes available. If you go on craigslist, there are people willing to sell their old phone PLAN to you, as in those old unlimited data ones. HIGHLY suggest going there. I have had friends do that recently with NO issues.
Either way, As much as I love Sprint's phones (EVO 3D being OC'ed to 1.8Ghz) Verizon's reception is incredible nationwide If you have any questions, PM me!

I just realized that I neglected to address your real question. I recently switched from AT&T to Verizon, and the difference in network has been night and day. I went from getting 100kbps down on a good day with AT&T to consistently getting 500kbps+ with 4GLTE, and I've only dropped one call in the month+ I've had the phone. Switching to Verizon was among my better decisions I've made lately.

wanderfowl said:
Another vote for waiting for the Galaxy Nexus. I really like my Bionic, but Motorola has already said, by releasing the Razr, that the Bionic isn't its priority anymore, and given the number of issues many are having with the phone and the locked bootloader, I'm tempted to say that if you can wait and get the GNex, you should. My 14 days ran out before the GNex was announced, but otherwise, I would've made the jump.
Also, skip the Razr altogether. It's a slightly improved Bionic with no user-replaceable battery. Don't bother.
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I believe the Bionic is still a priority. They're advertising it during NFL games that it comes with free NFL network. The average user doesn't really care about a lot of what we talk about on here. Some people will prefer the bulk of the Bionic, and others will prefer the Razr.
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I would definitely recommend waiting for both the razr and galaxy nexus to be released, then going to the store and giving 5 minutes to each phone. I like my bionic, but I regret not examining it more closely before buying it. But with that being said, the battery life on this is amazing with the extended battery, and that is a critical factor for most. How would you like to have a droid razr that only lasts half a day? Sure it looks pretty, but what's the point if it's off half the time. As for the galaxy nexus, samsung is on fire now, so I have no doubt that it'll be the best phone you can have.
reverepats said:
Hey guys How everyone doing?
I see that you guys dont got a Q&A Section over here, so I decided to drop this here. Today i'm heading over to the store to switch from Sprint to Verizon.Needless to say Sprint service has only gotten worse over the years. Been with them for almost 10 years now (be 10 yrs in Janurary). AnyWhoo, I got a couple of questions for you guys, pretty straight forward, and Sorry in advance if this was the wrong place for this. But basically im coming from the EVO 3D (EVO 4G Previous to that) and I understand that the Razor is being released in early November, But I need to switch today cause between the TErrible 3G, and Data and such, I need my phone for work. My Co-Worker has Verizon and tells me that his Data coverage is amazing. So im thinking of picking up the Bionic, seeing that its the latest and greatest out right now on Verizon, But Ive been reading around for the past 24hrs that alot of people have there 3G/4G signal just cut off. Now I dont really lose my 3G (5 miles north of Boston) here, but the data speeds are just so slow that I cant really do anything most of the time. I got ROOT and all of that good stuff of course, but trying all the different Tweaks and Radios and such can only help so much. So my Question is, Is the Bionic Plagued with losing its 3G/4G signal out of no where constantly? I figured I'd ask you guys before I did anything today. Thats the one thing that worrys the most. Of course im also worried about root and such, cause over at the EVO 3D DEV section we got some great DEVin going on right now, But I really gotta focus on more important things than that right now. Any advice would be great fellas! I really appreciate it, and once again SORRY if this was put in the wrong place
Jon
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The radio CAN go wonky, but it seems to be only when you are in a mediocre LTE area or otherwise are switching between LTE and CDMA connections. If stability is more important to you than speed, I've found that if I set my radio mode to CDMA only, the connection is rock solid. As an added plus, the battery lasts MUCH longer without the LTE radio going!
EDIT: Also, the speed is very acceptable, even on 3G/CDMA. I had a Sprint Photon 4G and 3G throughput often didn't break 200Kbps in either direction. With my Bionic, i regularly get 600Kbps+.

Dude I've had the same dilemma. After my fiasco with Epic 4g Touch with terrible reception and slow internet (where my EVO was doing just fine) I left Sprint and signed my soul out to Verizon.
I also couldn't wait for Galaxy Nexus which I'm gonna get eventually.
Now. I didn't want to get an expensive temporary phone so I went for LG Revolution. God I'm glad they have that 14 days exchange policy. What a piece of junk.
So now I've got Bionic and I'm temporarily happy.
Now the important stuff.
I drive truck all over the country and all I can say about Verizon coverage is wow. I don't know what a dropped call is and I can watch Hulu almost everywhere.
The infamous LOS happened to me every now and then on that POS Revolution (Stock unrooted). Now I read that this is happening on Bionic too. So it must be the network problem then. Nothing we can do about that I'm afraid.
It didn't happen yet on my new Bionic but I've gotten it 2 days ago.
Rooted and de-bloated today so we'll see.
BTW. I don't believe Galaxy Nexus will come out according to leaks. (11.10)
Similar leak said Motorola Razr will come before (10.27) and now it's for pre-order on VZ website saying "Will ship by 11.10.11.
I think Galaxy Nexus will follow that pattern and it will go on pre-order 11.10 and will start to ship 2-3 weeks from that date.
But I would be more than thrilled if I'm being wrong.
reverepats said:
Hey guys How everyone doing?
I see that you guys dont got a Q&A Section over here, so I decided to drop this here. Today i'm heading over to the store to switch from Sprint to Verizon.Needless to say Sprint service has only gotten worse over the years. Been with them for almost 10 years now (be 10 yrs in Janurary). AnyWhoo, I got a couple of questions for you guys, pretty straight forward, and Sorry in advance if this was the wrong place for this. But basically im coming from the EVO 3D (EVO 4G Previous to that) and I understand that the Razor is being released in early November, But I need to switch today cause between the TErrible 3G, and Data and such, I need my phone for work. My Co-Worker has Verizon and tells me that his Data coverage is amazing. So im thinking of picking up the Bionic, seeing that its the latest and greatest out right now on Verizon, But Ive been reading around for the past 24hrs that alot of people have there 3G/4G signal just cut off. Now I dont really lose my 3G (5 miles north of Boston) here, but the data speeds are just so slow that I cant really do anything most of the time. I got ROOT and all of that good stuff of course, but trying all the different Tweaks and Radios and such can only help so much. So my Question is, Is the Bionic Plagued with losing its 3G/4G signal out of no where constantly? I figured I'd ask you guys before I did anything today. Thats the one thing that worrys the most. Of course im also worried about root and such, cause over at the EVO 3D DEV section we got some great DEVin going on right now, But I really gotta focus on more important things than that right now. Any advice would be great fellas! I really appreciate it, and once again SORRY if this was put in the wrong place
Jon
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The 27th was always the pre-order date for the RAZR, a few sites got it confused.

Stank0 said:
Dude I've had the same dilemma. After my fiasco with Epic 4g Touch with terrible reception and slow internet (where my EVO was doing just fine) I left Sprint and signed my soul out to Verizon.
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Same for me with the Samsung epic 4g touch. Just crap of a phone samsucks when it comes to udates on their firmware even my wife has the nexus s great software updates. Horrible firmware and software fixes from Samsung. Galaxy nexus will suffer from samsungs lack of updates for fixes and issues. Look at the Droid charge. I just switched from sprint 2 weeks ago and took over someones unlimited plan and bought my bionic happy now
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Also have HTC rezound coming too
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The 27th was always the pre-order date for the RAZR, a few sites got it confused.
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The leak shows the release date for Razr as 10.27.11 (Engadget) and it became available for pre-order that date. (or was it 29th?) the same way it shows release date for Galaxy Nexus as 11.10.11.
By way of extrapolation, Galaxy Nexus will be availale for pre-order 11.10.11.
And again, I'd LOVE to be wrong.