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Having just received the phone, I must say that first impressions were great, well designed and seems well built. However, there are some rather disappointing observations:
First: Has anyone tried to record phone calls using one of the many different 3rd party software. It seems the only way to record the other person voice is to turn on the speaker, and this is really ridiculous.
Second: having loaded several word documents, upon opening the, it takes sometimes a minute or more to open, on my Treo, this is done in only a few seconds
Third: the system seems to slow down with repeated use, (a long secession).
Has anyone else found these problems? Also, is there any known work around for recording phone conversations?
I'll leave someone else to talk about the recording calls bit - not something I ever need to do.
On the word documents - I wonder how large these files are that you are opening? Mine are open in a second or two but then they are generally only a couple of pages long. Also the Kaiser uses the latest docx format of MS Word 2007 and I wonder if the older .doc format is being converted as it's opened. Docx is not backward compatible if you try to open Kaiser docx docs on PC using pre Word 2007 then they will not open. You have to save on PPC in RTF format if you are in this situation.
On the slowing down during a long session - I do not find this and I wonder if you have HTC X-button set to close applications or just to minimize them (ie that you are accumulating running applications?)
Mike
I find very big slow down opening large doc files and also scrolling them. On the Vario II (WM5) it was so much quicker.
Does anybody knows the reason why, or can resolve?
Word files
thank you for the reply
The Word files are from a Mac, running: latest-Office 2004. The documents are from 20 pages to 100 pages. They are saved as Word.doc files.
I also own a Treo 700P. The same mentioned files, using (Documents to go) will open in less than 15 seconds.
The same files open on the Kaiser: from 1 to 2.5 minutes.
Here is something interesting. I also own a HP (processor Intel PXA250, running (Pocket 3.0.1). This device will open the same douments very close to the Treo times.
Any suggestions?
I just had a friend send me a .docx to my PC running word2003, it prompted me to download a converter plugin. After installing the plugin, word now converts docx to doc's. I do wonder if the kaiser is doing the reverse as mentioned and converting from doc to docx and grinding on that?
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I just had a friend send me a .docx to my PC running word2003, it prompted me to download a converter plugin. After installing the plugin, word now converts docx to doc's. I do wonder if the kaiser is doing the reverse as mentioned and converting from doc to docx and grinding on that?
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Yes, it's interesting though and I wonder whether this issue may be the same one as with PIE scrolling. Perhaps related to the way it's caching data. For example and it may be the same in word - as you scroll it is fast until you go beyond the first couple of screens the really slows down. Using Touchflo (yes I'm getting the hang of it!) it is smoother but I'm a stylus man. Another possibility that occurs to me is that it may be the Touchflo app. that ironically slows down the stylus scrolling and indeed maybe the Word loading? Yet to find a registry way to stop Touchflo to test this theory.
So that's a few things to look into:
Stopping Touchflo
Doc to docx conversion
Increasing cache sizes
Identifying what has changed compared with TyTn (Hermes) as PIE and Word, appear (in contrast to almost every other application) to be slower than Hermes. (I'd 100% still rather have the Kaiser though for overall performance - still no unwanted soft resets and no hard resets required after 4 weeks!!)
Mike
convert from doc to docx
So, If I have a file created in Office 2004 (Mac) which defaults as (.doc), how can this be converted to a (docx)?
fredm said:
thank you for the reply
The Word files are from a Mac, running: latest-Office 2004. The documents are from 20 pages to 100 pages. They are saved as Word.doc files.
I also own a Treo 700P. The same mentioned files, using (Documents to go) will open in less than 15 seconds.
The same files open on the Kaiser: from 1 to 2.5 minutes.
Here is something interesting. I also own a HP (processor Intel PXA250, running (Pocket 3.0.1). This device will open the same douments very close to the Treo times.
Any suggestions?
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Fred just thought but did you change the settings on your htc task manager to close programs vs minmizing them (did not see this addressed in your reply) keeping apps running will have a dramatic impact on word load times.
Word docs opening slow
Sorry for the delay with the reply. Yes, all the other apps were closed while running Word. I guess the question is, why can a Treo open these docs faster than the Kaiser?
I spoke to an HTC service center and they commented that my unit was not responding as it should. When I mentioned the screen refresh rate seemed to lag, they said; send it back, so I did. I am now waiting for the replacement.
I will let you know the results.
thank you
HKLM\Software\OEM\TFLOSettings
Change EnableScroll to 0 to disable touch flo
A reboot may be required.
fredm said:
So, If I have a file created in Office 2004 (Mac) which defaults as (.doc), how can this be converted to a (docx)?
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Folks.. there is no need to use .docx format if you do not have Office 2007. Word mobile can save documents as .doc. Open Word Mobile and go to Menu -> Options... and select Word 97-2003 fom the "Default Template" drop down.
Now it will save your documents as standard .doc.
slow word docs
Well all is well. I just received my replacement phone, and all the docs open in seconds. By the way, with the first one, I did do several hard boots, and that did not help. thanks to all that helped.
problem persists
I still have the problem with the extreeeeeeemely slow scroling in ie and other documents
Its getting very annoying!
I tried the RSS Hub (included in some shipped roms I believe; I got it with Dutty's latest rom). It is a lite (and free / OEM) version of Newsbreak, which is one of the top RSS readers.
Unfortunately, I ran into two problems -- one minor, and one serious. I wanted to warn everyone about this.
1. Small problem. Upon installation, I told RSS Hub to store articles on the storage card (through a menu option). It let me choose the amount of storage to use, but the smallest amount is 10% of the card size, which comes to 383 MB in my case -- way too much for my taste.
2. Big problem. Upon installation and first refresh, I told RSS Hub to mark everything as read. This caused the RSS Hub and Windows to freeze for more than 20 minutes, until I gave up and rebooted. During the freeze time, I could still interact with the phone, but each button press took about 5 minutes to register. After about 10 min, I managed to close RSS Hub, but the freeze didn't end -- maybe RSS Hub continued doing something after it's GUI shut down.
I don't think these two problems are related, since the amount of storage *actually* used up on the storage card at the time of my failed "mark as read" operation was just 2 MB. But the number of news stories marked unread was about 800.
I moved everything from storage card to main memory, and this problem didn't re-occur.
P.S. Iliumsoft confirmed that HSS Hub is actually identical to Newsbreak, and not a "lite" version.
Can I just ask, can RSS Hub download the full article for me to read later? Been trying to get it to do that but it only gets the headlines plus a couple of lines
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Can I just ask, can RSS Hub download the full article for me to read later? Been trying to get it to do that but it only gets the headlines plus a couple of lines
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I haven't found a way, but i recommend SPB Online. It'll download the whole article with pictures and everything.
http://beta.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/online/
Good luck.
i have RSS hub built into my ROM as well (PDACorner rom) and I'm having issues, I cant tell it to save anything to storage card, i get an error saying "Cannot create file when that file already exists"
anybody have a clue how to get it to save to my storage card
(btw yea 10% is equal to 1.4GB for me.. WAY to much for RSS)
Thanks bro, will check it out. I like the RSS Hub interface, just wish I can get the full article
Run in background?
This might well be a dumb question, but I've just looked at RSS Hub - and set it to automtaically download some podcasts, but only when connect to the PC.... anyway, does the program launch at start up and always run in the background? or will it only check for updates when I physically start the program?
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i have RSS hub built into my ROM as well (PDACorner rom) and I'm having issues, I cant tell it to save anything to storage card, i get an error saying "Cannot create file when that file already exists"
anybody have a clue how to get it to save to my storage card
(btw yea 10% is equal to 1.4GB for me.. WAY to much for RSS)
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me too.
The storage space is only a maxium amount allowed - not a minimum. You don't save 400MB or 1.4 GB of space unless you download that much content. Deleting the article from the reader also clears that space again.
My question is, when running in 'today'mode, the RSS hub runs quietly in the background and would download my headlines every 15 minutes. Now, with the 6.5 update on Verizon, the RSS Hub only works when I start it and refresh the articles?
Anyone have the same issue?
I experienced freezes quite often with this app. I finally figured out that it happened when I opened a headline and tried to close it before all associated images were downloaded/displayed for that story. As long as everything is given time to download, all works fine. If I close the story before an image is displayed, it freezes and I can only tap on 'X' to minimize. Trying to open ANY task manager when RSS freezes will not work either. The wait cursor will spin indefinitely until I press 'end call.' I used to soft reset each time this happened, but I've found in the last few days (from being lazy and not wanting to SR), that if you give the device (Rhodium for me) several hours to sort itself out, RSS will open again and function normally. I don't understand why this happens. What if Opera or PIE locked up when closed before an entire page was downloaded? -Matt
The black/scrambled icons are caused by a bug in TF3D that affects the icons when first loading them into memory. If they are rendered before TF3D loads, they render fine. So, depending on how often you reset your device, this may be a workable workaround for some of you. I have found that if you run an app in your startup folder (I run Salling Clicker, but I doubt that it matters what app), then the application will launch on Windows Startup and you won't be taken to the Today screen, meaning the TF3D app won't launch. Before going to the Today screen (and thus launch TF3D), first go to your Programs folder (Start - Programs), and be sure to click on any sub-folders, just to make sure you load all icons. Then you can go to your Today screen, let TF3D load, and your icons will all look fine until your next reboot. It isn't perfect, but it is a quick and dirty workaround that does seem to work - for me anyway.
yea, another way is also to switch off Touch FLo 3D from your today items. Soft reset, Load all icons, switch on Touch Flo 3D.
I guess it is a timing thing. For me, it is faster to just go to Start-Programs, as I want Salling Clicker to run on startup all the time anyway. It would be a waste of time to turn of TF3D every time I reboot...
I am a pharmacist so....
I just load my favorite pharmacy program and your right they do work - but I organize all my icons...I have games, medical, pharmacy, system and utilites folders where I keep all my icons....the funny thing is I have to actually start the diamond with the pharmacy program in the startup folder then I have to actually open all folders and look at the perfect icons then I can start tf3d and all is good.....
BUT if I do not open every folder and I do have sub folders then the icons are all screwed up again....what i am saying if i just startup regularly and the pharmacy progy starts then I close the program and tf3d starts up if I did not open the folders and actually see the icons are normal they will still be screwed up....go f))king figure this one out.....
I've been using the Diamond for a few weeks now but I heavily use the calender on my phones and the standard Windows Mobile one just doesn't cut it. Well too fiddly! Search through the board and found Thumbcal which I installed, tried out and found to be a hell of a lot better (plus it ties in nicer with the diamond).
http://www.thumbapps.com/pages/home/thumbcal.php
Does anyone know how to change the link on the front page of TouchFlo 3D so that it takes me to thumbcal rather than the default calender?
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I've been using the Diamond for a few weeks now but I heavily use the calender on my phones and the standard Windows Mobile one just doesn't cut it. Well too fiddly! Search through the board and found Thumbcal which I installed, tried out and found to be a hell of a lot better (plus it ties in nicer with the diamond).
http://www.thumbapps.com/pages/home/thumbcal.php
Does anyone know how to change the link on the front page of TouchFlo 3D so that it takes me to thumbcal rather than the default calender?
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yeah
search the forum....
Use SSMAPa.exe IOT change any links....
hmm that looks quite confusing and risky. I think i'll wait til there's a safer solution
Is the better and faster solution, I tried it and works prefectly....
Greetings
I did just change successfully the calendar link in the Today screen of the TouchFLO 3D on a Diamond Touch HD.
Just this message to put the steps together:
1. Download the ThumbCal application and install it.
Remark: With the "SwitchMainCalendar.mscr" script (download and install first MortScript to be able to run the script) you can switch the default calendar from the MS calendar to ThumbCal. This only works for the Today screen of Windows!! Not for the Today screen of the TouchFLO 3D.
If you want to do that, continue with step 2.
2. Download the ManillaPatcher "SSMaPa_0.2.4.3.zip", unzip and copy the exe and xml file somewhere on your phone (I did copy it to my external card).
Run the application. Select the Init tab, click the "Extended Init" and click on the button INIT. This can take some time now.
After that go to the tab Settings and clik the calendar link. At the bottom, click "Patch Enabled", change the entry in the "New Program" to the path of your ThumbCal (in my case : \programmabestanden\thumbcal\thumbcal.exe) and change the working directory (in my case : \programmabestanden\thumbcal\ ). Click the Save button. This will save already the patcher configuration.
Go to the tab Deploy and click on "Deploy Patch". In my case two popups, the standard one with the message "Are you sure?", click yes and the second one with the message that my Manila.exe was signed --> click to delete the signing (don't remember the exactly message).
After that a popup that everything did work.
TouchFLO will restart now and if everything did go wel, your calendar is now the thumbcalendar.
In case something did go wrong, you can click in the tab Deploy, the button Full Restore. This will delete all the applied patches.
Much easier way. Install the calender into your main memory and in the settings from Thumbcal select Set as default calender.
also, you can install thumbcal then rename the thumbcal.exe using total commander to calender.exe and copy the lot to \windows (again with total commander.
works fine for me
Very simple solution
RichieUK said:
I've been using the Diamond for a few weeks now but I heavily use the calender on my phones and the standard Windows Mobile one just doesn't cut it. Well too fiddly! Search through the board and found Thumbcal which I installed, tried out and found to be a hell of a lot better (plus it ties in nicer with the diamond).
http://www.thumbapps.com/pages/home/thumbcal.php
Does anyone know how to change the link on the front page of TouchFlo 3D so that it takes me to thumbcal rather than the default calender?
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If you already have thumbcal...just download the latest version and install it...if you have already entered the serial number in the old version you wont have to do it again...and then in seting just click set as default calendar aplication...in the last version if you do that it will become the standard aplication in the diamond...in the older version it wont work.
I have ceased development of this project because I don't use TouchFlo 3D anymore. All source code is available. If anybody wants to take over the CodePlex project, just PM me and it's yours for the taking!
Overview
TouchFlo Detacher is yet another way to simultaneously have TouchFlo 3D / 2D and the regular Today screen. Previous excellent solutions include SecondToday and ManilaControl.
CodePlex
TFD development is hosted at Microsoft CodePlex! http://www.codeplex.com/TFDetacher
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Description
So what makes mine different? Well, my app is actually very similar to MastSogo's ManilaControl. The main difference is that I plan to actively develop it now for a while, whereas ManilaControl has been a bit frozen in development for a few months. Mine is also open source, licensed under the Ms-RL. Mine is on CodePlex, so download speeds should be much better than the average rapidshare link. Finally, mine is in English and not Spanish. Other than that, it's just another solution for the same problem!
I must give a hearty thank you and bow to MastSogo for inspiring me to work on this.
I believe I am using a similar technical solution to his, but mine is written from the ground up, so it shares no source code with his!
See it in action on the YouTubes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk0xWm8PMGQ
Current features
- Free up your Today screen by hosting Manila outside of the Today screen! TouchFlo Detacher can launch/show/hide/close Manila independent of any other Today screen settings. Now you can have your TouchFlo cake and eat it too! The most obvious use is to assign a soft key to toggle between seeing TouchFlo and seeing the regular Today screen.
- Supports TouchFlo 3D and TouchFlo 2D.
- NO ANNOYING SPLASH SCREEN when application launches.
- Configuration application allows advanced customizations so that this utility can be used with non-standard or untested Manila versions.
- Configuration application can clean out the ManilaActivateToday.exe from the notification queue. (That app can interefere with TouchFlo Detacher's operation.)
- Shortcuts to start/show Manila, hide Manila, toggle (show/hide) Manila, and close Manila. These can be assigned to hardware buttons (if your device has them), to virtual hardware buttons through the use of 3rd party applications such as AE Button Plus, or to gestures using 3rd party applications such as FTouchSL.
- Configuration application can customize the softkeys in both Today and TouchFlo's Home tab. You can use it to not only assign TouchFlo Detacher operations (show/hide/close), but any other application on your device.
- Launch an application after TouchFlo launches... Such as SSMaHo. It's easy. Create an attach link in SSMaHo. Put the attach link in the config: \Windows\Start Menu\Programs\SSMaHo Attach.lnk
Known Issues
- On the Touch HD, the home hardware button does not return to the Manila "home" tab. This does not happen on the Pro or Diamond. Workaround: none. Scheduled fix: unknown.
- Sometimes the clock on the TouchFlo home page will stop and go out of sync with the real time. Workaround: hide and then show manila. I may need to create a scheduled task that can do that as an automatic workaround once per day for those experiencing the problem. Scheduled fix: unknown.
History
1.0.1.1 STABLE FINAL - Fixed bugs in 1.0.1.0; Added ability to launch an app after TouhcFlo launches.
1.0.1.0 BETA - The first version of TFD that no longer requires a pseudo-service. All functionality should be identical to 1.0.0.5, otherwise.
1.0.0.5 STABLE - The "hide then show" workaround wasn't working in some instances, so I put extra detection code in to determine the current state of Manila before issuing the hide/show commands. If this doesn't work, I can add customizable delays. Also added AppToDate support!
1.0.0.4 STABLE - First release I am considering stable! It is identical to the very tested 1.0.0.3 except for one new feature. When you start the TFDService you can now optionally have it hide and then show Manila immediately. It does this VERY quickly, so you may not even notice it happening on screen. This is done so as a workaround some users are having where they cannot access the phone until Manila is hidden at least one time. Very odd behavior. It is working perfectly in my tests, but please let me know if this workaround doesn't work for you.
1.0.0.3 Beta - TF2D support I think is finally complete! Please test! New layout for TFDConfig. Standard and advanced options are now in separate tabs. More advanced options for alternate Manila configurations. Fixed bug in config where a crash could happen when you tried removing ActivateManilaToday. Toggle TouchFlo command is now available (note: this toggles show/hide, NOT show/close).
1.0.0.2 Beta - New language-neutral detection of Manila process and window handles (no longer need to know titles!). Fixed (hopefully) bug where the softkeys sometimes didn't hide correctly. Window class "search" is no longer case sensitive. Optional delay when starting Manila at system start-up (attempting to work around issue where Manila won't launch on startup).
1.0.0.1 Beta - Confg app can now start the service. The service has better error reporting. Config app can remove TouchFlo today item. No need to soft reset! TouchFlo 2D support (maybe - I'm trying!). Some crappy icons ;-) ... Service detects if TouchFlo Today item is enabled. Link to start and stop the service. Fixed installer bugs. Bug fixes!
1.0.0.0 Beta (aka BETA1) - Initial release
Download
CAB Installer: http://www.codeplex.com/TFDetacher/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx
Source Code: http://www.codeplex.com/TFDetacher/SourceControl/ListDownloadableCommits.aspx
Installation
As explained on CodePlex...
1. Install the CAB
2. Run TFDConfig (important!!!)
3. Enable all the standard Today Items you want to use
4. Do not re-enable TouchFlo in the Today items (if you do, it will undo all your other Today plugins and your device might freeze up, requiring a soft reset)
Requirements
Windows Mobile 6.1
.Net Compact Framework 2.0
A device that runs TouchFlo3D (Manila) or TouchFlo2D (Manila2D).
FAQ
FAQ
Q: I uninstalled TouchFlo Detacher but TouchFlo did not come back!
A: Changes made with TFDConfig will not automatically be undone when you uninstall TouchFlo Detacher. To get TouchFlo back, go into your phone's settings. Go into Today. Go to the "items" tab. Check in "TouchFlo 3D" (or 2D or whatever). Exit. TouchFlo will be back.
Q: I uninstalled TouchFlo Detacher but my softkeys did not go back to the way they were before!
A: Changes made with TFDConfig will not automatically be undone when you uninstall TouchFlo Detacher. Do not worry! Fixing this is very simple. Before uninstalling TFD, it's recommended you run TFDConfig one more time and reassign the softkeys to whatever you want them to be. For TouchFlo's softkeys, all you have to do is set them both to empty (as in, nothing) to get the default softkeys (phone/programs). For Today's softkeys, you can assign them to whatever you want -- calendar, phone, contacts, your choice!
If you have already uninstalled TFD, you will need to use a registry editor to reset the values. Here are the relevant keys:
Today left softkey:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Today\Keys\112
[Default] = Text on softkey
Open = Path to program to run
Today right softkey:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Today\Keys\113
[Default] = Text on softkey
Open = Path to program to run
TouchFlo 3D left softkey:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\Manila
HomeLSKText = Text on softkey
HomeLSKPath = Path to program to run (or blank for default)
TouchFlo 3D right softkey:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\Manila
HomeRSKText = Text on softkey
HomeRSKPath = Path to program to run (or blank for default)
TouchFlo 2D left softkey:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\Manila2D\Home
SK1 = Text on softkey
SK1Cmd = Path to program to run (or blank for default)
TouchFlo 2D right softkey:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\Manila2D\Home
SK2 = Text on softkey
SK2Cmd = Path to program to run (or blank for default)
Hi,
Is this a Manila3D only switcher or will it also work with Manila2D? I have been using Mastsogo's until now, but the lack of support is a bit worrying.
motisu said:
Hi,
Is this a Manila3D only switcher or will it also work with Manila2D? I have been using Mastsogo's until now, but the lack of support is a bit worrying.
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It may work with TF2D, I just have no way to test it since my device is TF3D. In the config, you can specify the location of the Manila EXE and the window class/titles. I'm assuming since MastSogo's did both, it's just a matter of tweaking those settings. As soon as somebody gets me that info, I can add it into the config app.
Installed on a Wizard (WM6.1 5.2.20273) running Manilla2D, set Today screen to use TodayAgenda 1.5 only. After soft reset, I get a Win32Exception with the following debugging information (see attached).
I'm checking the launch parameters in the config now (I started with the defaults).
Sheesh, I should have checked the parameters before going to the work of assembling that debugging jpeg. For Manila2D, the two references to Manila.exe need to be changed to Manila2D.exe. I still don't have it working, but at least it only throws one error message now.
I don't have any more testing time today. Good luck with your app.
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It may work with TF2D, I just have no way to test it since my device is TF3D. In the config, you can specify the location of the Manila EXE and the window class/titles. I'm assuming since MastSogo's did both, it's just a matter of tweaking those settings. As soon as somebody gets me that info, I can add it into the config app.
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As Uracil said, the name of the executable for TF2D is Manila2D. That's why Manila control needs a config program. It asked which one you are using and sets the parameter accordingly.
Fantastic. Loaded this onto my AT&T Stock, fully bloated Fuze. Works like a champ! Great app, thanks!
I will try this for sure!
TWO THINGS!
1) anybody knows a safe way to uninstall Manila Control?
2) I am a bit affraid of this "resident" thing... this program (TFD let's call it) uses one of the very scarce 32 processes? if YES sorry it's not for me (I am already dangerously close to the limit - up to the point that some sync processes don't have where to run)
nice app! well done
Ran through the steps to set it up, on soft reset the device hangs at the startup HTC animation, Hard reset time , the manila im using has the following mods:
CFC Compression
Background 4 all tabs (mun rus)
Stocks tab
HD contacts
Will investigate further..
EDIT: Havent been able to replicate this issue after a hard reset, probably something else i installed.
Minor issue ive spotted though, set left softkey in TF3D to "Today" which hides TF3D....in the blank today screen i dont see the setting for the left softkey (Which is set to "TouchFlo 3D" and should show TF3D) i still see the softkey setting from when TF3D is visible. So the effect is i cant get back to TF3D after hiding it unless i literally run it from the start menu.
NLS said:
I will try this for sure!
TWO THINGS!
1) anybody knows a safe way to uninstall Manila Control?
2) I am a bit affraid of this "resident" thing... this program (TFD let's call it) uses one of the very scarce 32 processes? if YES sorry it's not for me (I am already dangerously close to the limit - up to the point that some sync processes don't have where to run)
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WM 6.x and newer raised the process limit to 32768, so you should be fine.
EDIT: I was wrong! Don't believe me! Keep reading below. (The short of it: WM6 is based on CE 5.0, NOT CE 6.0, which is the version of CE that doesn't have the 32 process limit.)
Uracil said:
Sheesh, I should have checked the parameters before going to the work of assembling that debugging jpeg. For Manila2D, the two references to Manila.exe need to be changed to Manila2D.exe. I still don't have it working, but at least it only throws one error message now.
I don't have any more testing time today. Good luck with your app.
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The exception you showed is the service not finding the EXE. There are two places you need to change it. The "EXE Only" config is just the name of the EXE (for finding it in the running process list). The "full path" is where the file is located in the file system (including the EXE name!). Did you change both?
Thanks for the info. I'm going to make that "file not found" error more friendly for beta2. Also, now that I know what I'm looking for, I can add a built-in way to switch from Manila3D to Manila2D.
mrvanx said:
Ran through the steps to set it up, on soft reset the device hangs at the startup HTC animation, Hard reset time , the manila im using has the following mods:
CFC Compression
Background 4 all tabs (mun rus)
Stocks tab
HD contacts
Will investigate further..
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Does it get to the Today screen at all? The service is in the Startup folder. All it does is try to Launch manila.exe at startup (you can actually even disable that if you want to in the config), so it would be really weird if that froze the device. Not saying it's not possible, just really really weird!
thx1200 said:
Does it get to the Today screen at all? The service is in the Startup folder. All it does is try to Launch manila.exe at startup (you can actually even disable that if you want to in the config), so it would be really weird if that froze the device. Not saying it's not possible, just really really weird!
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thx1200 said:
WM 6.x and newer raised the process limit to 32768, so you should be fine.
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No man you are wrong (100%).
In *my* WM6.1 at least, the limit is 32. Well in fact all WM6.1.
Only new WinCE (not the builds used in WM6.X) have lifted this limit.
WM7 is supposed to not have this limit (because uses different WinCE) and a very small possibility (like 5%) that WM6.5 will have this limit lifted.
With the help of Daniel Herrero (the guy that makes CommManagerPro) we even built a simple app that we run as much as we could, to test this.
Sure enough my device after 4-5 runs started killing other apps. After 1-2 more runs, I got a pop-up that said that I cannot run more apps because I reached the process limit. My device is a loaded Touch Pro.
His much lighter X1, sure enough came to the same result, but only after more runs, about 10 or something (since he had more process "slots" free).
So you probably have to (and please do) rethink your strategy (for example use a REAL service or handle things based on triggers) as processes ARE a scarce commodity in WM.
At least add a mode or something that doesn't use a process all the time (even with some extra delay). I will certainly NOT eat more of my processes.
I installed this on my Touch HD... ran config but chaned nothing, disabled TF3d and soft reset... now don't know what to do... seem to be missing a step... for example how to toggle between Today and TF3d... running hide and close tf3d in the utilities folderdoes nothing
NLS said:
No man you are wrong (100%).
In *my* WM6.1 at least, the limit is 32. Well in fact all WM6.1.
Only new WinCE (not the builds used in WM6.X) have lifted this limit.
WM7 is supposed to not have this limit (because uses different WinCE) and a very small possibility (like 5%) that WM6.5 will have this limit lifted.
With the help of Daniel Herrero (the guy that makes CommManagerPro) we even built a simple app that we run as much as we could, to test this.
Sure enough my device after 4-5 runs started killing other apps. After 1-2 more runs, I got a pop-up that said that I cannot run more apps because I reached the process limit. My device is a loaded Touch Pro.
His much lighter X1, sure enough came to the same result, but only after more runs, about 10 or something (since he had more process "slots" free).
So you probably have to (and please do) rethink your strategy (for example use a REAL service or handle things based on triggers) as processes ARE a scarce commodity in WM.
At least add a mode or something that doesn't use a process all the time (even with some extra delay). I will certainly NOT eat more of my processes.
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You are right. I was going on what I read on another website from a while back. I just did some research and, sure enough, WM6 is based on CE 5, which has the 32 process, 32MB limit still in place.
The strategy I am using will not change as there is no way (that I know of) to write a service DLL in the Compact Framework, but if somebody knows of a way, I will certainly look into it.
EDIT: I did a check and I'm only running 24 processes with my media app, Total Commander, TFD, 3 other "service" apps (dont forget, PocketShield, VistaHide Battery Bar). That leaves me with 6 more apps until WM6 gets nervous (it seems to close after going above 30). How are you so close? I'm not judging your mobile computing habits, I'm just curious! Also, I'm thinking of rolling the "service" code into stand alone EXEs for cases like yours, but it will be very slow switching back and forth. I tested that at first before deciding on the memory resident app and it took about 5 seconds to switch each time. But maybe you'll have better luck!
abeery said:
I installed this on my Touch HD... ran config but chaned nothing, disabled TF3d and soft reset... now don't know what to do... seem to be missing a step... for example how to toggle between Today and TF3d... running hide and close tf3d in the utilities folderdoes nothing
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It's possble the HD may have a slightly different Manila configuration than the Diamond/Pro. If you find the manila.exe and can scan the window classes and titles (such as with FDCsoft's Task manager) that will give you the info you need to configure it for the HD. If you figure it out, post it here so I can add it to the config app.
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EDIT: Havent been able to replicate this issue after a hard reset, probably something else i installed.
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GOOD! Whew!
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Minor issue ive spotted though, set left softkey in TF3D to "Today" which hides TF3D....in the blank today screen i dont see the setting for the left softkey (Which is set to "TouchFlo 3D" and should show TF3D) i still see the softkey setting from when TF3D is visible. So the effect is i cant get back to TF3D after hiding it unless i literally run it from the start menu.
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Let me see if I am understanding you. The left soft key on the "real" Today screen says "TouchFlo" but it isn't launching TouchFlo? If you go into the configuration and set the Today left soft key using my quick drop down (Show TouchFlo 3D) this doesn't fix the issue? If so, can you post what the app path is that it is showing?