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Okay, so to those of us who have problems with screen ignoring/being very slow with screen taps and/or buttons, read on.
I flashed ROMeOS ROM and started having problems where I would tap on something, and it would ignore it. I would keep tapping and tapping, but nothing happened. Sometimes, even hardware buttons were ignored, about 40% of the clicks. I never had that problem with Dutty's Diamond ROM or WM6 ROMs. Issue seems to be related to latest 6.1 builds... or so it seemed at the time.
After pulling out half of my hair, reflashing all kinds of ROMs, reflashing to latest HardSPL, etc etc... I almost threw my kaiser at the wall.
First I thought it's TouchFLO, then I thought that it's the latest 6.1 ROMs.. then I thought it's related to 3.56 HardSPL.. well eliminating those factors one by one DID NOT fix the problem. Right now I went 100% to stock ROM (one it came with) and AT&T's original SPL. I started having sound problems (w/e radio I tried did not work) so I flashed Hyperdragon Wm6.1 ROM.
About 90% of the problem is phone ignoring ANY kind of touchscreen taps/drags.
About 10% of the time its the hardware buttons that have the problem - for example I push "call" (or any other softkey) button, and nothing happens, while touchscreen could be working fine at that time. In about 10 seconds, hardware buttons would start working again.
Some information that was gathered from this thread and personal research:
It looks like problem is NOT related to the following:
- POWER. Connecting phone to AC power does not solve the problem. Subjectively, it may improve it a little.
- BLUETOOTH/WIFI. Problem persists with EVERYTHING disabled and phone being in Airplane mode.
- PARTICULAR 6.1 ROM. I had this problem on ANY 6.1 ROM I tested (and I tested all the way from AT&T almost-official WM6.1).. maybe that's why they didn't release it?
- OPERA browser. Some people never had Opera and they still have this problem (please confirm this!).
- SPB/WISBAR interface software. Although having Wisbar stuff does make it a lot worse for me.. and I still have the problem without SPB or WISBAR installed.
- S2U2 screen lock. Still had the problem w/o S2U2 installed.
- iGo 2006 or iGo 8. Many users with this problem never used iGo.
Problem MAY be related to the following (needs more research, please help):
- Original SPL versus HARDSPL 3.XX
- WM6.0 versus WM6.1 (I don't think I had any problems running original AT&T 6.0 ROM, but I did have sound (radio) problems, so had to flash 6.1). Several users report that WM6.0 is immune to this problem.
- A combination of running WM6.1 with latest HardSPL?
- Custom ROM VS Original ROM. Perhaps problem is in the tweaks to the registry.
- Simple things like overtime connection weakening in touchscreen connection to the mainboard. Whoever can open a Kaiser could try to replug/clean it and report back to us.
- Radio version. Should be easy to test, just need to reflash all kinds of older radios and see if problem persists.
Please make sure that you test your phone with some touchscreen intensive games/software a lot for AT LEAST 3-4 days. I had it happen several times where it would be fine after reflash for about a day or so, and then it would come back in full force.
BRICK?
In my case, running HTC WM6.0 ROM with HTC SPL DID NOT fix the problem, I can even say it made it worse. Touchscreen would respond to about 10% of the screen taps. Tap pressure doesn't make any difference.
Also, running AT&T stock shipped ROM with stock shipped radio and SPL did not fix it. I guess at this point, nothing will. Waiting for replacement tilt.
Hope nobody else will get it as bad as I did. All I can say is... make those relfashes count.
Hmm isn't Touch Flo one of the cool things with the Kaiser??? How do you navigate in programs now it's disabeled?
DarkDvr said:
Okay, so to those of us who have problems with screen ignoring/being very slow with screen taps - I think I've found a fix. Here's a little background:
I flashed ROMeOS ROM and started having problems where I would tap on something, and it would ignore it. I would keep tapping and tapping, but nothing happened. Sometimes, even hardware buttons were ignored, about 40% of the clicks. I never had that problem with Dutty's Diamond ROM or WM6 ROMs. Issue seems to be related only to latest 6.1 builds.
After pulling out half of my hair, reflashing all kinds of ROMs, reflashing to latest HardSPL, etc etc... I almost threw my kaiser at the wall.
So if you have similar problems - try using Shnaps' Advanced Config to disable the TouchFLO altogether.
Another thing that I've used is PocketMechanic to clean up the notification queue. After fresh install of HypreDragon (latest as of Aug 5), I had 46 duplicate notifications. Removing those seemed to ease the problem, but NOT fix it. Disabling TouchFLO seemed to finally fix it.
I hope this helps somebody. I'll update this thread if I keep having this problem..
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Thanks for the head's up! I'll definately try that tomorrow (danish time).
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Hmm isn't Touch Flo one of the cool things with the Kaiser??? How do you navigate in programs now it's disabeled?
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Never really caled for it, I use my hardware buttons (D-pad) to scroll, I find TouchFLO to be too unreliable... maybe it's just me, but nothing beats a hardware button which you actually "PUSH".
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Thanks for the head's up! I'll definately try that tomorrow (danish time).
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Do you have the same problem?
Hello,
First off thak you for the post. Ive got two identical Tilts both with the exact same radio/boot/roms. One has this issue and the other doesnt. I will be disabling it on the one havong the issue and report back! Thanks much!!!
I was also having this problem. my biggest complaint was my keyboard was all over the place. Sometimes it wouldnt see key strokes at all, other times one key hit would register as 3 or 4.
Sent a few test messages and This seems to have helped.
THANK YOU!!!
My Kaiser was getting close to being flashed back to a WM6 rom or quite possibly embedded in a wall.
where do you find cab for touchflo? I was looking for that but could not find it.
tamkhanh said:
where do you find cab for touchflo? I was looking for that but could not find it.
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It's all over the place.
Try playing around with the TouchFLO sensitivity options in KaiserTweak
i upgraded to official 6.1 about two weeks ago...
i recently started having the "missed taps" problem...
i have a feeling that KaiserTweak has something to do with the issue...if memory serves, i don't remember experiencing the issue BEFORE i played with the "TouchFLO->Sensitivity" and "TouchFLO->Finger Pressure" options...i just launched KaiserTweak right now and its showing those values as set to defaults where as i could've sworn i changed them to the advised settings a day or two ago approximately when i started experiencing the issue...just a point to clarify, i was only playing around for no particular reason and my taps were not problematic before
i've just changed them to the advised settings and did a soft reset to see if these are the kind of settings that are forgotten after a soft reset...but they stuck...so i'm gonna observe this for a couple of days with the advised settings effective and see if they have reverted to defaults on first sight of the issue...i'll report back here if that happens because that would be a pretty strong correlation...almost enough to prove cause and effect
Well, problem is, last time I've used KaiserTweak was like a year ago, so my touchscreen problems cannot be linked to KaiserTweak. I don't even have it on my tilt.
Also, it's definitelly not a touchscreen itself, since this problem is application-dependent. Once again, S2U2 and Opera are immune to this problem. Windows' build-in apps (file explorer, bottom bar, etc) all suffer from it.
I've noticed this too, but I've found a slightly longer tap seems to make things reliable for me.. Instead of a quick 'jab' if I sort of touch it, it seems to be better.
and keyboard too I've noticed.. I mostly notice it with the hard keys rather than the keyboard, but I don't use the keyboard a lot.
I'll try looking for duplicate notifications, what else will do that besides MemMaid? I might reinstall it, it was handy. I previously found phoneAlarm would grow notifications over time, I suppose I need to watch for that anyway.
khaytsus said:
I've noticed this too, but I've found a slightly longer tap seems to make things reliable for me.. Instead of a quick 'jab' if I sort of touch it, it seems to be better.
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True, if I keep pushing on the screen button, in about 5 seconds it will be clicked. But that's ridiculous, i gotta say.
I'll try looking for duplicate notifications, what else will do that besides MemMaid?
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I use PocketMechanic - good stuff. Has lots of useful functions, including notification queue cleanup and analysis.
Just had another "seizure" - touchscreen would not respond AT ALL for several minutes. No matter what or how I tap - complete ignore.
After couple of minutes it started working again.
Interesting that S2U2 worked fine. Seems that windows just chooses to ignore touchscreen input.
I'm forced to return to WM6.0 ROM...
Please, anybody look into this.. phone is becoming to be unusable - I can't even enter a phone number.
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Do you have the same problem?
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Yeah it's really bad here. I've tried all sorts of tricks, including:
Re-install 6.1
Re-install 6.1 with the recent radio update found on the e-club
Install SPL 3.56
Disable HTC today screen
Kaisertweaks - tweaks on and off
Disable radio completely (seems to help, but makes the device useless)
Disable activesync
Disable quickgps
For now, I've done 2 things that seems to help:
- Disable the HTC task manager - improves the responsiveness
- Kill the MSTLI.EXE process - improves on the number of freezes
But I still experience freezes, and it's really getting to me. I need a responsive device, not this c****
ASCIIker said:
i upgraded to official 6.1 about two weeks ago...
i recently started having the "missed taps" problem...
i have a feeling that KaiserTweak has something to do with the issue...if memory serves, i don't remember experiencing the issue BEFORE i played with the "TouchFLO->Sensitivity" and "TouchFLO->Finger Pressure" options...i just launched KaiserTweak right now and its showing those values as set to defaults where as i could've sworn i changed them to the advised settings a day or two ago approximately when i started experiencing the issue...just a point to clarify, i was only playing around for no particular reason and my taps were not problematic before
i've just changed them to the advised settings and did a soft reset to see if these are the kind of settings that are forgotten after a soft reset...but they stuck...so i'm gonna observe this for a couple of days with the advised settings effective and see if they have reverted to defaults on first sight of the issue...i'll report back here if that happens because that would be a pretty strong correlation...almost enough to prove cause and effect
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My device is currently without kaisertweaks, and I still have the freezing issues.
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Well, problem is, last time I've used KaiserTweak was like a year ago, so my touchscreen problems cannot be linked to KaiserTweak. I don't even have it on my tilt.
Also, it's definitelly not a touchscreen itself, since this problem is application-dependent. Once again, S2U2 and Opera are immune to this problem. Windows' build-in apps (file explorer, bottom bar, etc) all suffer from it.
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I concur, it is application specific. I tried to run the "Task manager" from Fdcsoft to see if it was related to a process eating up all the CPU. But the problem doesn't occur while the application is focused.
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Never really caled for it, I use my hardware buttons (D-pad) to scroll, I find TouchFLO to be too unreliable... maybe it's just me, but nothing beats a hardware button which you actually "PUSH".
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TouchFlo is way too unreliable to me too.
DarkDvr said:
True, if I keep pushing on the screen button, in about 5 seconds it will be clicked. But that's ridiculous, i gotta say.
I use PocketMechanic - good stuff. Has lots of useful functions, including notification queue cleanup and analysis.
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Oh wow, not a LONG PRESS, literally a 'touch' vs a 'tap'. What you describe would be seriously annoying.
Thanks for the suggestion, I'll look at it
This is one big PITA with the crappy ATT ROM image. I have to press the power button twice to get the phone out of sleep mode. Once just isn't enough for the wonderfully tested ATT image. This never happened with the 6.0 image, or with any of the cooked images.
So what is the fix? I've seen several threads complaining about this, but none offer a fix. I do not want to flash another non-std "cooked" image, but registry or DLL replacements are OK by me.
here - http://tinyurl.com/d8wfg9
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here - http://tinyurl.com/d8wfg9
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If you don't know then there's no need to post.
Potential fix
ButtonBoy said:
This never happened with the 6.0 image, or with any of the cooked images.
So what is the fix? I've seen several threads complaining about this, but none offer a fix. I do not want to flash another non-std "cooked" image
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So a cooked ROM is out and I suspect a reg entry won't cover something like this (just a hunch, no proof) but you haven't ruled out going back to WM 6.0 (which never had the problem) - you have a potential fix. The screen flashes coming out of powersaving mode were just one of many reasons why I reverted my TyTN II back to WM 6.0. Although that OS also has a few bugs, they're far less of a PITA than WM 6.1s so I haven't looked back
This is a common problem with the majority of the later 6.1 builds, and depending on who you talk to, it is either a great feature ,built in to 6.1 to keep the phone from accidently turning on in your pocket and draining your battery and scrambling your settings and calling people by accident. ......Or it is a really annoying feature that makes you press twice or one long press to get your phone out of sleep. Shall I put 1 vote in the annoying column for you ?
There is no fix. Two quick presses or one long press ? How annoying is it really ? Two quick presses is about as long as it takes to slide to unlock.
I had no such issues with any HyperDragon release. They all had the correct behavior, and none of the "fit-full sleep" issues either. Oh well. Soon enough I will migrate to a better device, and this time I won't tolerate any of ATT's brilliant engineering.
Hi! For a while I've been searching for a reason why my phone seems to freeze almost daily while charging or before / after I snooze a morning alarm. And sometimes during the night, maybe it's random. By freeze I mean the phone is sleeping and when I push the power button nothing happens. The only way to restart it is to take off the cover and either remove the battery or press the little reset button.
I use itje's ROM with standard WM6.5 and Manila 2.1. I tried diferent builds and newer Leo ROMs, but I always get the same problem. It didn't happen some time ago when I was using WM6.1 + Manila 2.0.
While searching in the forums for solutions, I noticed there are some users with the same random freezes using various ROMs from different chefs. But most of the users don't seem to have this problem, which is weird. I guess the hardware should be the same, so does anyone have any idea why this freezing happens only to some of us?
I tried different methods and ROMs, countless hard resets and re-flashes, even additonal Stock-SPL and Hard-SPL, but nothing seems to work. It even happens if I install no other programs and don't have the SD inserted into the phone, only my SIM card. So it's not from external programs (like G-Alarm) either.
Well, any helpful information or advice? Thanks!
I am experiencing the same problem. If anyone got a solution for this, please share.
Regards, Eduardo.
i have the same problem to but only with the cooked wm 6.5 roms and higher not with the rom that came with my x1
i get the same problem. i'm using itje's Touch I-T Xperience 15 6.5
Now I flashed a WM6.1 ROM with Manila 2.1 to see if I still get the problem. Do you think our phones have a problem with the Windows 6.5 builds or maybe the problem is with Manila?
Did anyone try to live with one of these ROMS for a few days with Manila disabled to see if you still get the freeze? Maybe I'll try this also after I finish my 6.1 test. It's very annoying that we don't even know the cause for this freeze yet...
have the same problem when using 6.5 but when on 6.1 nothing of the kind...
Just to share. Some chefs have mentioned this and I myself can attest to it.
I was using 2 ROMs that were free of the problem more than 24 hours , Touch X 10.8.2 and Valkyrie 4.5.502. And both times I managed to cause the "standby of death" by using 2 different alarm programs, G-Alarm and Klaxon. Once I activated alarms using these programs, within 3-4 hours my phone froze.
That's my experience anyways. Some ROMs by default will die without doing anything, so I'm not sure about those. But if you have a stable ROM and want to avoid it, I think it should be fine.
Well, I can confirm that on various itje 6.5 ROMs I get the standby of death without installing any alarm program. I didn't install ANY programs, for what it's worth. And others can use G-Alarm 2.3 and don't get this freeze.
Didn't use Valkyrie ROMs yet. I'm testing now Touch X 10.8.2 and I have G-Alarm 2.3 installed. Let's see if it dies in the next 48 hours while on a 6.1 build...
Here is my experience...
I never got standby freeze issue(never used G-alarm/Klaxon), but i do get black screen or garbled screen issue randomly while receiving call irrespective of the ROMS(wm 6.5/6.5.1).
Only one time almost a week i didnt face this issue, then later problem repeated. So i realized that week i've used COM4 build. So for testing it i tried again same one for a week and problem didnt exists. Since the ROM which i used has default X1 dialer which i didnt like at all.. so got updated to other ROM and started face the same issue
Maybe some of us have a slightly different harware in our X1 that triggers this freeze, but only in WM 6.5?
So far the WM6.1 + Manila 2.1 is working fine, lots of customizations made by me after flashing too. G-Alarm managed to wake me up OK.
Darkchaser said:
Just to share. Some chefs have mentioned this and I myself can attest to it.
I was using 2 ROMs that were free of the problem more than 24 hours , Touch X 10.8.2 and Valkyrie 4.5.502. And both times I managed to cause the "standby of death" by using 2 different alarm programs, G-Alarm and Klaxon. Once I activated alarms using these programs, within 3-4 hours my phone froze.
That's my experience anyways. Some ROMs by default will die without doing anything, so I'm not sure about those. But if you have a stable ROM and want to avoid it, I think it should be fine.
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Well you can count Valkyrie 4.5.502 out because i installed it yesterday and this morning after my alarm went off about 20mins later the phone frooze. I have been experiencing this for the past months and i REALLY hate this phone now. I have tried all sorts of tricks from reseting the phone around 9pm to just not running ANY program and it still freezes. I have tried all sorts of roms with the exception of Touch X 10.8.2. I guess i might as well give that one a try. I will keep an eye on this thread for a solution.
On an older Valkyrie TR build I was getting the problem and I fixed it by doing a soft reset with the SD card out, waiting for everything to load up and run nicely, then inserting the card again. Went to the music tab and waited for it to load all my tunes and the same with photos. Didn't have the problem after that, but I was only on that ROM for about a week.
I thought it may be related to usb port driver issues in WM6.5, but it could also be the audiomanager in manila or some conflict between a WM6.5 process and a manila process.
Anyway, will be trying 4.4.81TR Valkyrie and see...
But the biggest question is why some (most) people never have this problem...
Never seen this problem on WCX 22001 Pure wm6.5 rom and I'm using it for about one month. I've installed many apps and my X1 works great with battery about 2-3 days using WIFI, BT, and all other stuff. No Manila - no problem in this case. It's an older build of WM6.5 but with newer builds WCX Rom users didn't complain about freezing problem or alarm issues.
So maybe it's Manila?
Today I wanted to flash Itjes newest ROM but I'll wait for solution couse my phone should wake me up today
Can program your phone Lockscreen has frozen the rechargeable device. Best before charging you restart your phone and not run any programs.
yes i get this problem too.. every morning my phone is off.... so it really needs to be looked into.. it seems to occur from more recent builds of 6.5..
i was previously using a wild child pure rom from about 3-4 months ago (6.5 early build)... this issue never happened...
then recently i upgraded to the V11 Unoff series and now it occurs.. and is obviously occuring for a lot of people with other recent builds of 6.5...
if the solution is ever found please let us know....
I might be completely off here... but I used to have this problem often, in addition to having slide to unlock malfunction on me, even with the newer rom builds.
When I unchecked the boxes that said display owner information/notes when device is turned on, both problems were gone - it might just be a coincidence though and I've only been testing it for 2 days.
Hey guys,
I've been having the same problem, only that this are the situations in which I faced the issue with my X1i (and managed to replicate the freeze):
-Receiving SMS while charging (no pc conection)
-Charging while alarm goes off (again no pc)
-When task or appointment announcement sets itself to sleep (i.e: you ignore it) while charging. (go figure, no PC)
-When after ignoring (not hitting dismissed button) task or appointment screen shuts off (Running on battery)
I've also gotten the problem in other situations, but i couldn't replicate them. The only Thing I did notice was that there is a growth in the rate this happens over a span of 3 days after flashing/hard reseting. In my case, it was one increment per day (ie: 1st day, happened once; 2nd day, twice; 3times the 3rd day.. then, i reseted or replicated, so my statistics went down the pipe )
Other thoughs: what radio are you guys using? maybe we can narrow it down to a radio as well. Thus far I've seen it narrowed it down to Manila 2.5, but then others do not have this (and then there me, with Manila 2.1, that has it ). I changed my radio y-day and hasn't happened yet (xing fingers though...) wil try to replicate tomorrow after my alarm wakes me up
My info:
X1i Black (came with R3 generic UK ROM, Radio. 1.14...)
Issues happened with: Radio 1.10.25.18 (Installed with NRG's ROM vOCT 28)
ROM info: (see signature..)
Manila: v2.1.191...
Current radio: 1.14...
Carrier: AT&T US
I tried to contribute as much info I could get about this issue... hope we can get it solved.
I'll try to flash again a WM6.5 version to see what radio will be installed. This week I needed my phone WORKING , so I used a 6.1 ROM.
I didn't find a pattern for my freezes, but I think it mostly happened while charging from the outlet, or in the morning before the alarm went off (very bad thing to happen), or after I snoozed the alarm (again, very bad).
I read somewhere that it's useful to format your SD card before flashing. I don't see how this could help, but I'll try to flash via USB or from another newly-formated SD card. I always flashed with kovsimg.nbh on the SD root and I only formatted it when I got the phone, 9 months ago...
Also, some say it's good to flash first an original ROM, hard reset, then install the custom ROM again. I tried that, even stock-SPL and hard-SPL again, but didn't seem to work. Maybe I had 48 hours without freeze, but then it started again.
@8SE8 - I never had those options checked, so we can rule that out I guess.
I have been reading about this issue here and in another forum - mainly
because I had seen it only one single time. It actually occured when I was
loading the device during the night. I do not remember which ROM it was
exactly, except that it was an itje ROM with Manila 2.5.
Then, I went back to Manila 2.1 and WinMo 6.1, Touch_X 10.X.X. Must say,
that is still my fallback ROM, it feels extremely fast, it is stable, memory
usage is low - what else to wish?
Next, I went to the multilanguage Rhodium based Manila 2.1 and WinMo 6.5
from itje in my own language. After installing FM Tuner, a correct dialer and
some tweaks, it is also very fast and stable, memory usage at 50%. No more
soft resets since almost a week now, no "stand-by of death".
The difference to others is maybe: I do not flash using the SD card, always
with the USB connection. Is this provoking the difference? I cannot imagine,
but this is what I can contribute here.
** Please check post #2 first. It looks like we have found a solution. **
We don't reprimand anyone for asking questions, so feel free to ask (preferably after reading or searching the thread) if you have doubts.
I'm starting this thread in the hope that we can determine and find a cure for the lockup issue some of us have been dealing with in the later Manila 2.5 version ROMs.
This is something I've been trying to deal with for some time now and it seems more widespread than people realize from the number of posts by users who have had this issue.
Let me explain my definition of "lockup":
1- It always happens when the device is in sleep mode, never while it's used.
2- Never happens with stock ROM or Manila 2.1, only on Manila 2.5.
3- It's random, could happen any time of the day, in any frequency.
4- It's more likely to happen with some ROMs than others, leading me to believe it is related to the ingredients used in the kitchen (that is: operating system/software ) The "lockups" will start within the first 24 hours and possibly become more frequent over time.
5- It's highly unlikely that any sw installation is responsible for this (NeoS2007_Driverpack_3 excluded, I haven't done sufficient testing with it)
6- When the "lockup" occurs, the screen lights up (you can see it does in the dark) but the device is unresponsive. If you wait for a while, the home screen appears but the device is unresponsive. The only way out is taking the battery out or doing a soft reset.
7- Using MTTY or flashing a stock ROM may help fix other problems but does not help for this specific case, the "lockup" will still occur.
8- It's entirely possible (but hard to determine) that hardware may be an issue here. The fact that some people always have this problem and others don't, may be due to different hardware revisions, if there are any.
9- This problem is very specific and never leads to a hard reset.
10- When the lockup has occurred, people calling may hear the phone ringing but the HD remains unresponsive and there is no call logged, so at least the radio section is working.
Please post you experience with this issue, including the ROM involved, and any action you have taken that leads to a solution.
Please also mention whether you flash using SD card or from the PC. Since none of my SD cards work, I always have to flash using my PC, so that is something I need more info on.
Please read this post to be uptodate on the latest situation with this issue
Quite a number of new sys versions seem to be causing lockups on most HDs. This is a sys problem and is not related to the lockup with the video drivers but is related to the OS version. If you are using a ROM with a new sys version and are having lockups, just switch to another ROM with a different sys version.
As the number of pages in the thread started to increase, I want to post a summary of our findings here.
As stated numerous times, not everyone suffers from this problem but the number of people who do suffer seems to be much more than I originally thought.
Please remember that we are talking about a very specific kind of lockup here as explained in post #1.
So far, our findings indicate that it is a combination of conditions that cause this issue. If Manila 2.5 and the Neo's Driver pack are used together, this lockup will occur on those HDs that are prone to this issue.
mnet has prepared a cab that effectively deletes the driver pack and restores stock drivers. If you are having this problem on a Manila 2.5 ROM, you should try this. Needless to say, before trying this, you should have already tried the recommended cures, like flashing a stock ROM or using MTTY.
You can't actually delete the files cooked in the ROM, only replace them...Some dlls from Neos drivers remain in the windows folder, however they are no longer used due to registry modifications.
Several users who have been suffering from this lockup have confirmed that after applying mnet's cab to uninstall the Neo's Driver Pack, the lockups have stopped. So, it's a definite cure.
Cab to remove Neo's Driver Pack.
Also, please check this post. It may be worth giving it a try if you have unexplained lockups.
The Topaz D3DM drivers also seem to be causing lockups, confirmed by other users.
Mikenificent BlackStone TestDrivers seem to be safe. I tested for a few days and no lockups occurred.
sounds like an app conflict, I have run WM6.5.x for many weeks now without any lockups.
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sounds like an app conflict, I have run WM6.5.x for many weeks now without any lockups.
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Can also agree with Homer above. Haven't experienced this lockup mate and I've tried nearly all wm6.5 manila 2.5 roms out there.
If others could post their experiences it would maybe help narrow this issue down. Does this happen on a bare rom or after certain apps are installed?
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Can also agree with Homer above. Haven't experienced this lockup mate and I've tried nearly all wm6.5 manila 2.5 roms out there.
If others could post their experiences it would maybe help narrow this issue down. Does this happen on a bare rom or after certain apps are installed?
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I was experiencing this only on 23xxx, 28xxx etc builds and I flashed a ship ROM and I have yet to have it happen again. Of course I'm on new builds since then too.
It is a very puzzling issue though and I hope we can bring it to light.
I only had this with Dutty and Miri's 21xxx series with Manila 2.5.
Once I went to 28xxx series, from PDAViet, Energy etc, this hasn't happend again.
So I'm guessing its WM6.5 21xxx and 23xxx related rather then manila.
Also, it happens far less when you use a lightweight (short and low bitrate) sound for notification.
It seemed to happen for me whenever the "new mail" or "new sms" notification was supposed to sound.
When putting a very short sound, it stopped freezing. When putting back a long sound, it would freeze up more often.
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I was experiencing this only on 23xxx, 28xxx etc builds and I flashed a ship ROM and I have yet to have it happen again. Of course I'm on new builds since then too.
It is a very puzzling issue though and I hope we can bring it to light.
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A number of people have stated that they get issues with cooked roms (while others don't) if they are constant flashers, and the common solution would be to flash a shipped rom and then back to cooked. As I stated above I've been fortunate enough not to experience this so haven't had the need to flash a shipped rom. But from reading users issues this isn't a clear cut problem as it doesn't affect everyone
homer285 said:
sounds like an app conflict, I have run WM6.5.x for many weeks now without any lockups.
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I've ruled that out. I always install the same set of applications, same email etc.
Never have this issue on stock ROM or Manila 2.1 ROM, only on later M2.5 ROMs, so it has to be related to M2.5 somehow.
Xannytech has been very helpful, comparing ROMs where I had this issue with a few ROMs where I don't have it, it seems that the problematic ROMs are larger in size. So perhaps there is a problem with the NAND memory and the bigger size ROMs use it whereas the smaller size ROMs do not use it. This is the reason why I mentioned hw revision as a possible cause.
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Does this happen on a bare rom or after certain apps are installed?
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It does happen on a bare ROM, no data sync, no SD card, no applications installed. Just flash a new ROM and wait, it will happen.
I guess it would be OK to mention here that currently the only ROMs where I don't have this issue is with Miri's ROMs (which are smaller in size than others).
wow.. luckily i came through this topic before i sent my HD for repairs.. and i thought it was the touch screen that has malfunctioned..
u are right, it only happens when the device wakes up from sleep.. if ur lucky, u could press half the screen and re-calibrate the screen.. if ur not, then hard reset is the only way for u to re-calibrate ur screen..
currently using;
GridLeo 1.7 (1.2.5.30),
OS (5.2.21869)
Manila 2.5.19201130.0,
Radio (1.14.25.24)
termignoni said:
wow.. luckily i came through this topic before i sent my HD for repairs.. and i thought it was the touch screen that has malfunctioned..
u are right, it only happens when the device wakes up from sleep.. if ur lucky, u could press half the screen and re-calibrate the screen.. if ur not, then hard reset is the only way for u to re-calibrate ur screen..
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This doesn't appear to be the same issue. If you take the battery out and restart your HD, things should get back to normal - for a while. This never leads to a hard reset.
For your case, I suggest you flash a stock ROM and test with it for a while.
makbil said:
This doesn't appear to be the same issue. If you take the battery out and restart your HD, things should get back to normal - for a while. This never leads to a hard reset.
For your case, I suggest you flash a stock ROM and test with it for a while.
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As you say, removing the battery or soft reset resolves the issue, but not for long before it happens again (unresponsive screen after sleep, but backlight lights up when i tap the screen)..
this is what is going on with my HD.. until one day, even after soft reset, i could not enter my pin or even access the calibration screen as i could only "tap" the top half of the screen..
after many soft resets, i could only "tap" the top half.. hard reset resolved my problem until a couple of days back, where the problem seems to start again.. this has been going on since last month, and out of the blue..
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As you say, removing the battery or soft reset resolves the issue, but not for long before it happens again (unresponsive screen after sleep, but backlight lights up when i tap the screen)..
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I never got as far as having to do a hard reset but I guess it is possible after extended use.
I recommend you flash a stock ROM, use it for a while. When you are sure you don't get the lockups any more, flash your favorite custom ROM again. This should prove that the culprit is ROM related and not a hw problem with your HD.
makbil said:
I never got as far as having to do a hard reset but I guess it is possible after extended use.
I recommend you flash a stock ROM, use it for a while. When you are sure you don't get the lockups any more, flash your favorite custom ROM again. This should prove that the culprit is ROM related and not a hw problem with your HD.
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i suspect it's a ROM issue as well, as i never had this issue with any other ROMs with the old Manila.. i'm gonna flash to the stock ROM tonite and see how things go.. but even so, i might take more than a week before it's showing signs of mis-calibration..
termignoni said:
i'm gonna flash to the stock ROM tonite and see how things go.. but even so, i might take more than a week before it's showing signs of mis-calibration..
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If you do have this problem on a stock ROM, then definitely it's a different problem. Just remember to flash the stock ROM by running the executable and not through running the BlackstoneRUUWrapper + nbh file manually.
I've had this problem for the past couple of months whatever Rom i use and whatever software i install.However, I did the MTTY thing to clear ALL the memory then reinstalled my favourite cooked rom (Xannytech ROM Grid Evo Turbo 1.6 (Internal Rel. 3.2.5.48)) and have had no problems for 2 days! hooray.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=540290
bodgeman said:
I've had this problem for the past couple of months whatever Rom i use and whatever software i install.However, I did the MTTY thing to clear ALL the memory then reinstalled my favourite cooked rom (Xannytech ROM Grid Evo Turbo 1.6 (Internal Rel. 3.2.5.48)) and have had no problems for 2 days! hooray.
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any reference to this "MTTY thing" u did? i might give a try 1st..
bodgeman said:
I did the MTTY thing to clear ALL the memory then reinstalled my favourite cooked rom (Xannytech ROM Grid Evo Turbo 1.6 (Internal Rel. 3.2.5.48)) and have had no problems for 2 days! hooray.
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I also did the MTTY thing but had the lockup within 24 hours on Xanny's Evo 1.6. Keep a close eye on this, if you don't have it within a few days your problem may have been cured
Didi you flash from SD card or from the PC?
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any reference to this "MTTY thing" u did? i might give a try 1st..
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Here . My results are on page 50.
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Here . My results are on page 50.
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thank you..
btw, this time i flashed using PC instead of the SD card..
one more thing to add, the first time i did my hard reset, i restored my device using PIMBackup (restored everything).. within 24hrs, it happened again..
the 2nd hard reset, i restored only my Contacts and till now (after 3weeks), only it's starting to happen again..
i don't know bout u, but this is how it's happening to me..
- at first, u'll notice a slight mis-calibration while typing an sms or selecting something (after screen calibration, everything went fine)
- then, after a few days, same thing happens (can't tap the bottom part, soft reset and screen calibration solved this)
- and today, after my device woke up on sms, i could not unlock (using the default WM6.5 lock screen - had to soft reset twice, then calibrate screen)
Wouldn't open up a thread for this question but any custom ROM (RECENT EDITIONS) I've tried (NRGZ's, Sergio's, Ark's, Athine's and some others) for several days now have the "dead aka black" screen issue. Tried to find an answer in the original ROM-threads but haven't got any substancial responses. It seems like only few people have these issues. This would make me think the problem is my hardware (German Generic TP2) but the older ROMs of same chefs then run normal and without the dead screen issues.
Please any ideas, solution suggestions or experience share?
Thanks! Ibster
Edit: confirmed solution method described in post# 10 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5934002&postcount=10 . Thank you agent 47 big time for the tool you provided!
Ibster said:
Wouldn't open up a thread for this question but any custom ROM (RECENT EDITIONS) I've tried (NRGZ's, Sergio's, Ark's, Athine's and some others) for several days now have the "dead aka black" screen issue. Tried to find an answer in the original ROM-threads but haven't got any substancial responses. It seems like only few people have these issues. This would make me think the problem is my hardware (German Generic TP2) but the older ROMs of same chefs then run normal and without the dead screen issues.
Please any ideas, solution suggestions or experience share?
Thanks! Ibster
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Is this the same as the "Sleep of Death" (SOD)? In which the phone won't wake from sleep/suspend state and has to be soft-reset?
If not, what's the symptom exactly?
MCbrian said:
Is this the same as the "Sleep of Death" (SOD)? In which the phone won't wake from sleep/suspend state and has to be soft-reset?
If not, what's the symptom exactly?
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that's exactly what I'm talking about. I didn't know it was called the "sleep of death". I jusst have to softreset the phone all the time. The phone becomes just unuseable.
Ibster said:
that's exactly what I'm talking about. I didn't know it was called the "sleep of death". I jusst have to softreset the phone all the time. The phone becomes just unuseable.
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i also experience it on my Tilt 2 AT&T unlocked, so i reverted back to Sense 2.1 Euro 1.86.401.0. any solution there, i bought mine from Negrielectronics USA.
Ibster said:
that's exactly what I'm talking about. I didn't know it was called the "sleep of death". I jusst have to softreset the phone all the time. The phone becomes just unuseable.
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i also exprence it on my Tilt 2. is there any help out there
It's because chiefs have updated their XIP. Ask them to cook a rom for you with the old XIP from stock HTC WM6.5 Sense 2.1 rom.
Ach, that's just my theory based on my experience. I might be wrong, so keep that in mind.
I have a similar issue, but not exactly the sleep of death
A lot of times when I unlock the phone, Sense would not show up, only the taskbar and occasionally the bottom bar
Everything is responsive, the taskbar notification works, hardware buttons works, but not the sense part in the middle
This usually happens when I'm having an SMS conversation
I run this setup most of the time:
WM 6.5.x
Sense 2.5
HD mini lockscreen with Smartlock 2.0F or Lockdevice 1.6
Same here on the SMS black screen
ctbear said:
I have a similar issue, but not exactly the sleep of death
A lot of times when I unlock the phone, Sense would not show up, only the taskbar and occasionally the bottom bar
Everything is responsive, the taskbar notification works, hardware buttons works, but not the sense part in the middle
This usually happens when I'm having an SMS conversation
I run this setup most of the time:
WM 6.5.x
Sense 2.5
HD mini lockscreen with Smartlock 2.0F or Lockdevice 1.6
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I just started having this problem with the newest Leo Cell Pro, I have not had it with any NRG or Deep Shinig ROMS though but I do like The cell pro details and the others are not without there faults. I like your screenshots and I can hardly wait for that new white theme to come out. I think it will make my phone so much better outdoors and enhance the Windroid look I am workin on.
Apical said:
I just started having this problem with the newest Leo Cell Pro, I have not had it with any NRG or Deep Shinig ROMS though but I do like The cell pro details and the others are not without there faults. I like your screenshots and I can hardly wait for that new white theme to come out. I think it will make my phone so much better outdoors and enhance the Windroid look I am workin on.
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Yes....interesting that I've never had this issue on Energy's...my guess is he doesn't cook in the latest HTC SMS client which can be unstable at times
Are you talking about Elcondor's GTX theme? Yes that is a very awesome theme
I couldn't wait until 201x version comes out so I made my own Not as good as GTX but I'm half satisfied now
Apical said:
I just started having this problem with the newest Leo Cell Pro, I have not had it with any NRG or Deep Shinig ROMS though but I do like The cell pro details and the others are not without there faults. I like your screenshots and I can hardly wait for that new white theme to come out. I think it will make my phone so much better outdoors and enhance the Windroid look I am workin on.
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like i mentioned in the the post#1 I had these problems with almost all recent (last two weeks) custom ROM releases, ROMs of different chefs. Because others or the majority of people don't have any problems with that I thought the reason must be hardware issues. yesterday I saw this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=649191 opened by agent_47 where he provides a modified tool:
agent_47 said:
when u flash a rom, you are copying files onto the internal memory (like duh!) but if u repeatadly flash different roms, sometimes files from older version stays behind as when u flash a rom, you just copy and sometimes overwrite files without deleting the older ones. hence at times these older files may create bugs\instability. hardrest donot always fix it.so we use MTTY
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Well I used it and have flashed to Sergio's Leo Cell Evo 6 and I can confirm that I haven't had any "sleep of death" issues, well still haven't and hope I won't have this "SOD" issue anymore. And when I tried this same ROM before I wasn't even able to make a proper configuration and set up the phone because the phone always froze or as soon the screen went off I wasn't able to activate it back without soft reset.
So maybe this is a solution and could help others who also are having this issue of "sleep of death".
Please if you try the tool from the mentioned agent_47's thread, let know us here because it will be very useful for the rest of the users to finally figure out "the dark side" of their phone and fix it.
Cheers, Ibster
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I had this just recently. Funny side was that I installed an official new ROM from HTC which I just updated. Somehow the phone just didn't want to turn on and show the screen. So just like you guys said, hard-reset did the thing but just when the screen went off, same thing happened.
So what I did was wipe/clean or any other name. Practically did the installation of the rom again. Now, the device works normally and without any problems.
Maybe this happens because some old files of older ROMS sayed on the device itself and started making problems. Anyways, check this thread too, maybe it will explain something more: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=649191
Or, final explanation. Our Rhodiums have soul inside their little chips and they just simply fu.k with us They tell us they're too tired of so many ROM changes.
I have also had this problem with my two latest official swedish roms (manilla 2.1 and 2.5) cant remember if I had it when I used 6.1. Now I use a cooked rom and still have the issue several times a week. The only thing I had done with my Rhodium before using cooked Rom was flashing hard spl for future use. If its not an inbuilt hardware/software problem from the beginning the only thing I can point at in my case is hard spl?
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when u flash a rom, you are copying files onto the internal memory (like duh!) but if u repeatadly flash different roms, sometimes files from older version stays behind as when u flash a rom, you just copy and sometimes overwrite files without deleting the older ones. hence at times these older files may create bugs\instability. hardrest donot always fix it.so we use MTTY
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back with my kaiser you always had to flash back to stock before going to a new ROM no matter what, for just this very reason...
could flashing back to stock be a 'best practice' that we as users should start doing to help with this issue?
I - have had some xperience with the issue in a few ROMS. Im a loyal flasher of Agent 47s masterpieces. And a month or so ago he had like 2 or 3 builds that had this issue. From what I remember he said that he thought it had to do with some sys evrybody was using to cook roms. and after her came out with this diagnosis and "fixed"(i dont know the technical part of what was fixed) this problem it has never happened since. But a good thing I would say to try is in Agents thread about 4 or so pages from the last page(maybe more or less) but close to the last page he posted a .zip file for this mitty fix. and you essentially flash this zip just like a rom then reflash which ever rom you had or a new one and ta da. Ive also heard of people reflashing a stock rom with results from doing so but from what Agent said is flashing a stock rom then back technicaly "shouldnt" do anything and to definately use mitty. But one of the other frequent valkyrie users that I chat with all the time Mcbrian who posted here on the first page has used the stock rom and did have whatever issue he had cured dont remember what that was tho.
UPDATE- Oh I guess that Agent has a thread for Tool29 so you dont have to search through his thread to find it.
I can confirm agent 47 method is working for me. I no longer have the sleep of death. But its only been half a day. I will report back in a few days.
aichemist said:
I can confirm agent 47 method is working for me. I no longer have the sleep of death. But its only been half a day. I will report back in a few days.
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Great! I'm glad to hear your confirmation. I now on my side haven't had a sleep of death for three days on the ROM (Cell Leo V6) that previously, before I used the agent_47's tool, couldn't even start normally at all or had extremely many "sleeps of death". But I also noticed overall improvements even though the speed slows down but there are barely any freezes and stability is much better.
Cheers, Ibster
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I can confirm agent 47 method is working for me. I no longer have the sleep of death. But its only been half a day. I will report back in a few days.
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I did tried agent 47 method at least three times this weekend. I did exactly what agent 47 instructed, flash Energy ROM 23547 with MaxManila = failed to initiated. Flash Tool29 again, reflash Energy ROM 23545 from MicroSD = Failed. Flash Athine OS XTreme = Worked, install MaxManila 3.0 on top of Athine OS Xtreme = Corrupted the manila display. Reflash stock ROM. Flash Deep Shining X.23544 = Worked. Flash Deep Shining X.23547 = Failed.
Look like I can get my phone to work but can't move on from now on! Any suggestion is greatly appreciated!
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kienkham said:
I did tried agent 47 method at least three times this weekend. I did exactly what agent 47 instructed, flash Energy ROM 23547 with MaxManila = failed to initiated. Flash Tool29 again, reflash Energy ROM 23545 from MicroSD = Failed. Flash Athine OS XTreme = Worked, install MaxManila 3.0 on top of Athine OS Xtreme = Corrupted the manila display. Reflash stock ROM. Flash Deep Shining X.23544 = Worked. Flash Deep Shining X.23547 = Failed.
Look like I can get my phone to work but can't move on from now on! Any suggestion is greatly appreciated!
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I'm not very clear about what you mean by failed. Do you mean you can't flash some of the ROMs or you get screens of death with them?
What I did was this: I took out the SD card. Ran the tool29 modified by agent_47 (see post 10 of this thread). After the tool finished cleaning all internal memory the phone went back on but got stuck in loading. I took the battery out of phone for few seconds and then put it back in. Then I connected the USB cable to the phone and started it in the bootloader mode by quickly pressing and releasing the switch button and then hitting the volume down. On the tricolor screen then it shows USB. Then I just flashed my ROM of choice normally with USB without need to flash from SD. I've done this several time with several ROMs without problems.
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I'm not very clear about what you mean by failed. Do you mean you can't flash some of the ROMs or you get screens of death with them?
What I did was this: I took out the SD card. Ran the tool29 modified by agent_47 (see post 10 of this thread). After the tool finished cleaning all internal memory the phone went back on but got stuck in loading. I took the battery out of phone for few seconds and then put it back in. Then I connected the USB cable to the phone and started it in the bootloader mode by quickly pressing and releasing the switch button and then hitting the volume down. On the tricolor screen then it shows USB. Then I just flashed my ROM of choice normally with USB without need to flash from SD. I've done this several time with several ROMs without problems.
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Thanks for quick response. Yes. I did exactly what you spelled out in the message. i.e: Remove the memory card, Run Tool29, remove the battery, got into the bootloader mode, then flashed with USB connection. The phone went to the initial setup, I clicked the T-Mobile connection ....etc... then it restart - then stopped at "Launching HTC Sense...." This is = failed for me. i.e: Failed to clean the internal memory!
By the way, if the internal memory is cleaned, shouldn't the Start->Setting->Device Information->Software Information: Incoming Call & Outgoing Call reset to 0?
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Thanks for quick response. Yes. I did exactly what you spelled out in the message. i.e: Remove the memory card, Run Tool29, remove the battery, got into the bootloader mode, then flashed with USB connection. The phone went to the initial setup, I clicked the T-Mobile connection ....etc... then it restart - then stopped at "Launching HTC Sense...." This is = failed for me. i.e: Failed to clean the internal memory!
By the way, if the internal memory is cleaned, shouldn't the Start->Setting->Device Information->Software Information: Incoming Call & Outgoing Call reset to 0?
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Your steps should be
1. Shutdown tp2..
2. Remove memory card( I also removed sim card).
3. Turn on tp2, connect through the computer through active sync.
4. Run task 29. Let it load flash, whatever it is doing until it actually reboots.
5. At this point, everything should be cleaned, you don't have a rom or radio anymore, so its blank, so you "pull battery out."
6. Put memory card/sim card back in. Flash radio through boot whatever menu. Soft reset it yourself. Pull battery out again.
7. Flash rom this time, and soft reset it again. Now rom should start setting up.
This shouldn't be rocket science.