frankly: this sucks big time. the theme section is so crowded with themes for all the dream and magic and cyanogen mods, our few hero themes disappear. looking into the theme thread i can only find one(!) theme for the hero on the first page. also the titles are not always indicating clearly for what device/rom the themes were made.
seriously guys, at least give us a subforum for hero themes. i didn't see the problem with posting them here (in the thread called "themes and apps"), are you really expecting me to go through hundreds of themes for the dream, to find the hero themes? come on...
Agree, sucks....
Whats wrong with having the themes for the hero in the thread entitled "HERO Themes and Applications"
It needs to have every post title changed to show what device/ROM its for before its usable.
I agree too, even with edited titles, it's still going to be messy and we'll end up missing most of the themes for Hero as they will just get lost in the flood of G1 themes
I have to agree as-well, the hero themes does not work with any other phone anyway
This sucks...
Yes, it sucks!
I did my first Themes and now nobody can find it.
Have to agree lumping all the themes from different devices together is a big mistake.
I would suggest, that either:
- The themes be left here on the "HTC Hero Themes and Applications";
- Or, that subforums for the phone models be made on the "Android Themes" section.
Agreed, this is a horrible way to compile everything. Only reason I am even posting this is so the mod team can see they made a mistake by the number of people posting about it.
Agreed.
The Hero and G1 themes should be separate.
The G1 has been out a lot longer and it floods the forum (I should know I had one! )
Seriously mods, please rethink your strategy.
Its bad, and its not fair seeing upcoming themes for other devices too lol
While I understand your frustation here, the point is that there is no point in keeping the themes in seperate places.
Almost every theme will run on any rooted phone. Therefore they are being meshed together. Now, Like I've said, Your theme devs, will need to label their posts accordingly so you can sort through them quickly.
For instance, a hero theme would look like this:
[Hero Theme] *title of theme here*
Its a simple thing to do.
This is a benefit to the entire community to do this. Which is why its been done.
Stericson
Every theme runs on every rooted phone??
I can't believe!
No way!
When it is so, I say sorry, but I can't really believe.
we have SenseUI here.
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While I understand your frustation here, the point is that there is no point in keeping the themes in seperate places.
Almost every theme will run on any rooted phone. Therefore they are being meshed together. Now, Like I've said, Your theme devs, will need to label their posts accordingly so you can sort through them quickly.
For instance, a hero theme would look like this:
[Hero Theme] *title of theme here*
Its a simple thing to do.
This is a benefit to the entire community to do this. Which is why its been done.
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so you are saying that my rooted hero will run any theme made for g1?
but i downloaded themes for dream, sapphire and found out that maximum image names are different. so how will hero run those themes?
then why we make themes for different devices then? why did u guys make seperate theme sections in the 1st place?
Yes every theme will run on a rooted phone PROVIDED you have the apropriate rom loaded for the specific theme on your Rooted phone....
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Yes every theme will run on a rooted phone PROVIDED you have the apropriate rom loaded for the specific theme on your Rooted phone....
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yeah really funny since we got... wait let me recount... exactly one custom rom for the hero (yes i know there are others, but not really worth to mention).
well i guess we just have to eat the **** they are throwing at us, they are the mods...
Than I don't want to publish my themes here anymore!
It makes now sence, because no one can find them.
for a few days there were many themes at once and every Hero user in this section was happy to use them.
Now....
Sorry, I can see threads and postings from many users, who are not embraced about this changes.
but when the admins and mods are that mind it is better, then we, the themes maker must agree with that.
Admins, mods:
Take it seriously! Everybody thinks, this changes are not good!
carry out soundings of public opinion
Guys lets not give up just yet! I always found xda developers willing to listen to the people in the past after all its THE PEOPLE that make a great forum.
Also try and post comments here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=591137 in one place where our Dream users brothers can also post
Even though I don't like using themes, I cannot see the sense in moving Hero themes to the generic Android themes section. The sub-forum is STILL called 'Hero Themes and Applications' - how ridiculous!
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Yes every theme will run on a rooted phone PROVIDED you have the apropriate rom loaded for the specific theme on your Rooted phone....
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So its not true that all themes run on all phones. Your phone has to be rooted, AND it has to have the appropriate ROM loaded for that specific theme.
Goodness. That's kinda a lot to look for in a theme.
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I locked the thread because of the language, not for the complaints.
Let me say that this has been done because every theme can be run on any rooted phone. Since this is the case then themes need to be moved to the "general" theme section since they can be put on any device.
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I don't mind the complaints, but the language in which yall choose to voice yourselves is not acceptable.
Stericson
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Well since complaining is fine....
POST COMPLAINTS HERE BUT WITHOUT THE LANGUAGE!!!!!
Then it wont get deleted!
Ill go first:
I Hate the way android and windows mobile combine!
I hate the new move!
It was dumb because the original one was fine! and i was on it since the beginning!
now i gotta add more bookmarks where as all i had before was one for it all:
Dream - That was all i needed... it seems to clutter my part up now and that stinks! lol
Complaint away!!! lol
Well like I said, there was no point in keeping all the themes seperate when they, so far, work on any device.
As for having a hard time finding them, you just need to have your theme dev label his thread correctly to help you sort through them.
People always hate change, no surprise
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Well like I said, there was no point in keeping all the themes seperate when they, so far, work on any device.
As for having a hard time finding them, you just need to have your theme dev label his thread correctly to help you sort through them.
People always hate change, no surprise
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they DID label them before the move and they do not run on any device lol
Yes they run on any rooted phone with the appropriate rom loaded.
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Yes they run on any rooted phone with the appropriate rom loaded.
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my dear bro. i tried 10 themes from dream and sapphire and not a single of them run in my european hero. i had to do nandroid restore in every case.
Like I said, youd have to be running those roms
but your phone is capable of running them. If your running a hero rom, then look for the themes marked Hero.
If your running cm rom, look for any g1/mytouch theme....
Stericson
in that case i will have to look for hero rom as i have hero and in here i see 100 of themes in them only 10 for hero. dont u think this is difficult to search for these?
and if there is a quation of rom compatibility then how come u r saying every theme will run in every phone?
and 1 more thing... its not that i will leave this forum if u keep theme section like this but the thing is that maximum users are complaining this new system. this forum is for the users and if max users complain about this then whats the point of keeping it?
cheers man.
A phone is strictly a piece of hardware, and any rooted phone, with the appropriate rom(software) loaded, can run any of these themes.
And yes there are only about 10 hero roms, there are not many of them.
And no I dont find it difficult, as I've looked on the first two pages and found them, clearly marked with "Hero"
Stericson
Stericson, I completely see your point about the merging of the theme areas. I have a MyTouch and browsed the Dream Theme area regularly (and almost never visited the Magic Theme area). While this does lead to a certain bit of confusion by putting everything in the same area (just as the Magic 32a/b rom differentiation gets confusing). Would it be possible that when a dev posts their rom, have all of the rom details in the first post, and all of the supported themes in the 2nd post? Granted, this would probably cause alot of work on everybody's part, but it would make our whole environment better as everything corresponding to a rom would be in a single place.
Now, I know what you're thinking. With this, we'd have to worry about the clutter in the Dev forums; however, what about breaking up the Dev forum to have it be strictly a place for Dev's to work and brainstorm, then setup a seperate area strictly for releases/contributions. I don't know, just an idea.
Ps. For an example of the 1st post Rom, 2nd post Themes, check this out by Enomther. A couple people got posts in between his, but you get the idea.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=538456
If only life was that simple
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A phone is strictly a piece of hardware, and any rooted phone, with the appropriate rom(software) loaded, can run any of these themes
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Sorry but this statement is simply not true. A theme designed for the same hero rom running on both the dream and hero will NOT run on both. A good example is here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572151 I also think its very clear that the mass majority of htc "android" users are against this move, whats more is that a simply poll on each android themes section would of made this clear and could of avoided the trouble we android users now face.
Oh and I DO understand that clearly labelled post could avoid any problems but that fact remains that most if not all themes moved are not labelled with there device name included.
I make Themes for Hero. I don't think they work on any other device.
For every ROM you must change anything/many things.
No, guys, so I didn't want to use this section to release my themes.
It's hard work.
In the forum "HTC Hero THEMES and Apps" there must be this themes placed...
Give me one of the themes in this new section, that works on an Hero!
Thats completely.....ouhhh!
If I can spell english so good as german I could better explain, what I mean.
Putting all the themes for "Android" was a bad idea. Plain and simple.
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Your argument would hold if there was a Cyanogen ROM that COULD be used on the Hero, which there isn't.
I don't know who's bright idea it was to put all the android themes together, but it did not help in any way, no matter how much you argue.
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A phone is strictly a piece of hardware, and any rooted phone, with the appropriate rom(software) loaded, can run any of these themes.
And yes there are only about 10 hero roms, there are not many of them.
And no I dont find it difficult, as I've looked on the first two pages and found them, clearly marked with "Hero"
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Well consider the fact that not every (and probably no) developer is going to have every Android device and therefor cant test and verify that their theme runs on whatever device. Even if they are all running the same rom you are asking us to assume that they will work for any device with a compatible rom. I dont think that will be the case honestly. But either way, it still begs the case of organization. It would still be more organized to have sub-forums for things like themes on a device to device basis and if the dev finds that their theme works for different devices and chooses to add a thread under another devices themes forum that should be their choice.
There is a reason that personal computers group system sounds in a system folder and give you the option to store your music in a different place. Its more organized!
Well putting all the android thems to gether has just made it a huge mess ...
Instead of having a nice overview i need to go search for themes and i will miss new themes this way
Place restore the android theme sections as they where so a seperate theme section for every device.
anyone else notice the contradictions that happened when stericson talks???
HAHA
you are in a battle with your own statements, which in my opinion... do not make sense when put together cause they say 2 different things lol
If I have to add another bookmark its no big deal. The g1 theme section is a mess either way because of all the different builds out for the g1. I was gonna suggest that they make submenu's for different builds such as cyanogen, dwang, hero etc. Either way its no biggie to me.
Said it before say it again.. Went from working and clean to cluttered and not working so well. Dont know why they wont change it back as I have not seen anyone who likes it better this way. Thought the whole reason for a fourm is to see what the people like and want.... well its pretty clear what we all want we want it to be the way it was. it was working just fine...
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If I have to add another bookmark its no big deal. The g1 theme section is a mess either way because of all the different builds out for the g1. I was gonna suggest that they make submenu's for different builds such as cyanogen, dwang, hero etc. Either way its no biggie to me.
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So let me get this right..... the old dream theme section was a mess and could of benefited from splitting into even more sub sections but now that 3 different devices theme section have been merged to make a bigger mess.... its no biggie?!
Sorry you really have lost me with that one....
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Sorry but this statement is simply not true. A theme designed for the same hero rom running on both the dream and hero will NOT run on both. A good example is here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572151 I also think its very clear that the mass majority of htc "android" users are against this move, whats more is that a simply poll on each android themes section would of made this clear and could of avoided the trouble we android users now face.
Oh and I DO understand that clearly labelled post could avoid any problems but that fact remains that most if not all themes moved are not labelled with there device name included.
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If I put this rom on my G1 then yes it will run on my phone. I know very well how themes work and the limitations provided by them.
For now, we will move the hero themes back.
Stericson
Thank you
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If I put this rom on my G1 then yes it will run on my phone. I know very well how themes work and the limitations provided by them.
For now, we will move the hero themes back.
Stericson
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Sincerely THANK YOU! this was a major problem for hero users at this time.
i know a theme is hard to make but why is there so many plain themes being made these days
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i know a theme is hard to make but why is there so many plain themes being made these days
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i guess...get down on your knees and pray for one you like...lol...or post your suggestions of what you would like to see in a theme.
Well I have said in my thread for blinded by faith that says I am open to suggestions and feedback. So if you got any ideas just let me know and I would be more than willing to try to work people's ideas in
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Well I have said in my thread for blinded by faith that says I am open to suggestions and feedback. So if you got any ideas just let me know and I would be more than willing to try to work people's ideas in
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i dont know how to creat one or i would.. i do graphixs..im just to busy right now to learn that actual details of this and that..
but if any themers wanna get down on a new theme let me know! in a pm! i probably wont find this post anymore lol..
Check out darkstar and experion!
i think they are fairly new and exciting,
i work mostly on darkstar. but try and pop my head in on experion now and again!
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I actually keep saying they should port all the old themes for JF's 1.42 RC33 build. THOSE were effin masterpieces.
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Well I have said in my thread for blinded by faith that says I am open to suggestions and feedback. So if you got any ideas just let me know and I would be more than willing to try to work people's ideas in
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flashed your theme for the first time yesterday and its tight...i left what little suggestions i could think of for you in your thread lol
i usually use marks theme, mblend, blackice, and now blinded by faith....alternate everyday or 2
Make your own theme: *MOD EDIT* We aren't here to promote other sites.
Edit: PM me if you want to know how to make your own theme and you cant find the info
Lets not promote other sites guys, especially when the appropriate content is already on XDA. I understand referring someone elsewhere when the content is not available on XDA, but when it is available on XDA we need to be referencing that content unless its outdated and not viable any longer.
Stericson
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Lets not promote other sites guys, especially when the appropriate content is already on XDA. I understand referring someone elsewhere when the content is not available on XDA, but when it is available on XDA we need to be referencing that content unless its outdated and not viable any longer.
Stericson
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well then...opasha's theme isnt on xda......
@ OP, if you want to see opasha's theme, its located here: http://androidoverdrive.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=72
lol
If I knew how to make them this thread wouldn't exist is it just me or are most of these themes made are meant for the adp phone just seems that most of the themes out there are made for the dark g1's.The only themes in my opinion for the white g1 is the alienaqua theme from prash an the plastic theme
Yeah, I have also seen themers come and go. We should encourage them(*cough* donation *cough*). And plus if you already like the theme try to make it better by posting your comment on the theme. Critize the theme. The more ideas you give the better it is for that themer and for that theme. You should check out my thread on final fantasy 7 on xda and on my site mk47.weebly.com for previews to my theme. My site also starting to have font for any rom and theme from my thread. Just check it out and post ideas on other themers thread.
A lot of the themes are terrible. Enoch has the best theme. The rest are ugly, cluttered, or immature.
We are just now starting to see decent minimal themes
i really want to see more unique themes. off the wall ****. and PROFESSIONAL looking artwork done on them. tired of all these amateur themes with terrible photoshop work. but thats my opinion. i love a lot of them at the same time =]
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i really want to see more unique themes. off the wall ****. and PROFESSIONAL looking artwork done on them. tired of all these amateur themes with terrible photoshop work. but thats my opinion. i love a lot of them at the same time =]
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You should help out in the theme making process( not trying to put on a stop). Help with finding a template if you have a great idea tell us themers or post a request. Try to find good artwork and we themers will try to work on it. Like for example systemforce was orginally another artist work but prash liked the idea and used it. Now look at it people were going crazy over that theme ( like I did). I'll see what I could do to hellp you guys out. I am too looking for a cool theme. A user wants me to make systemforce to blue and white. I thought about it and I am starting to customize the theme.
" You could live your life for yourself, or you could help bulid the future." -- busybox(I think that what it said from ddms)
video
I wish someone can make a video on youtube on how to do this I would have no problem making themes I enjoy the features that most of them give.Plus I understand how people feel an the themers feel.I think that most of these themes are just clones of one another with things switched around but @ the end of the day they do this for us.
I can understand not making as many themes right now because CM is releasing new builds all the time,but I sure wish more people would release themes for dwang 1.13,this rom is amazingly fast and stable.
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I can understand not making as many themes right now because CM is releasing new builds all the time,but I sure wish more people would release themes for dwang 1.13,this rom is amazingly fast and stable.
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i would make themes for that rom, but i don't like it because i can't adb push my apps to the /system/sd/app the way i can on cyanongen's rom. this is because i wipe my data and my ext before switching from cyan's to dwang's and that's the problem i ran into. i could push them to /data/app but that is on internal memory and that's bad. if someone could PM me on how to fix this issue, i'd gladly switch over to that rom and makes themes for it .
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i would make themes for that rom, but i don't like it because i can't adb push my apps to the /system/sd/app the way i can on cyanongen's rom. this is because i wipe my data and my ext before switching from cyan's to dwang's and that's the problem i ran into. i could push them to /data/app but that is on internal memory and that's bad. if someone could PM me on how to fix this issue, i'd gladly switch over to that rom and makes themes for it .
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To add to that, try Metamorph. It lets you theme your phone with bits and pieces you would like.....especially if you like white themes. More and more themers are adding their bits so soon we will be able to make our own themes without the knowledge of how to produce them!
nevermind fixed my ext to have the push work . ill try and port themes to dwang soon.
I remember when they switched to this forum format and people were supposed to say what ROM and what Hardware their themes are for...
Well it didn't quite work out that way.. people post the ROM but not the hardware...
Early it was fine .. everyone knew that Cyanogen 4 was G1 MT3G ROM
but with all these new ROMS .. I don't know which one works for the Hero/Droid ERIs NExus one etc...
So can someone give me a breakdown of the ROMS and tell me which one works for what hardware??
Thanks,
Actually this section is for 1st gen devices(G1/MT3G), these themes wont work on other devices with diff res.You need to goto the actual phone section and look at the theme section there, sorry but that's how it is.
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Actually this section is for 1st gen devices(G1/MT3G), these themes wont work on other devices with diff res.You need to goto the actual phone section and look at the theme section there, sorry but that's how it is.
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Well that's not how it's supposed to be. If this section was for 1st gen devices, it wouldn't be labeled with the generic, "Android Themes", would it? The section you are thinking of is the Themes sub-forum under the G1/Dream Head forum.
Exactly .. why would this forum be for 1st gen devices.. when the devices already have their own forum??
This is a mess... I'm sorry .. I hope the XDA guys clarify the forum format..
We're trying to figure out a resolution. Perhaps we just need to rename this forum to make it clear the the themes are for first generation devices that have HVGA screens. I'll report back after I speak to some mods!
...you posted in wrong sections, but it's all good.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=668090
http://db.androidspin.com/android_build_information.asp
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=668090
http://db.androidspin.com/android_build_information.asp
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That's great but it still seems like everything is dedicated to G1 and Mytouch 3g aka HTC Magic
This forum is fairly redundant, since most D/S roms support the same themes, but when it started that wasn't really the case and many people were confused as to which themes worked with which roms.
The thing is, now most roms work on both Dream and Sapphire so the logical thing would be to have the Sapphire Themes forum redirect to the Dream Themes forum, and migrate the Android Themes forum to Dream Themes.
Of course the generic Android Themes/Software forum was created before we were sure of how compatible existing (D/S) themes would be with Eris and Hero devices, let alone an N1, etc.
ANYWAYS, until the forums are adjusted, if you have a Dream or Sapphire device, you're in the right place. If you have anything else (Nexus One, Eris, Hero, etc.), go to the respective forums of that particular device.
Hi all. Themes..... They confuse me, yet intrigue me. I want to be able to theme my Captivate, as I'm sure others do, yet I haven't found any Captivate/Galaxy S specific tutorials on how to do so. Furthermore, I haven't seen any theme or mod in particular, other that the Evo black bar mod, that will actually work on this device. Can we start a compatible theme thread for that Captivate? Maybe even a sticky, I dunno, but it seems like there isn't much info in the forum pertaining to this. I think it would be an outstanding idea.
If I were to hazard a guess, I would say that the reason there isn't a comprehensive theming thread yet is because, well, there ARE no themes. Yet, at least. You'll have to stick with Bettercut and Launcher Pro for customization for now, hang in there.
If you want to theme, take a look at the MetaMorph guides. That's probably your best bet. Keep in mind, it's not an easy fix and there is a lot of unpacking and packing APKs and other technical stuff required.
I don't find MetaMorph that bad too work with, although I can see in some cases why it would be.
Anyways, you might want to keep on eye on themes for all versions of Galaxy S phones since they are close enough that stuff should work fairly well. (Granted I'm not 100% sure on this, so don't take my word for it)
For example I found swype themes in the vibrant themes section of xda, and they work great on my captivate.
You could also check up on the CM forums in the Galaxy S section, since they have a themes section there. http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/forum/83-samsung-galaxy-s/
Galaxy S Phones:
Captivate
Vibrant
I9000
Fascinate
Epic
It happened something i don't like and i don't understand...
liamstears took all my themed apps (about 70 of them) and all my icons from framework-res.apk an com.htc.resources.apk of my Mixed_Theme and he made his new theme with name Theme Animation 3.6.0...
I don't know how i must react...
Now the 2 themes are almost the same as they have almost all the same icons...
I can't understand why he did that...
I think that every themer must have his own identity. If you see all the themers such as he_stheone64, MaxDroid, david1171, alexdiaz, vistagamer, djdarkknight96 and others i forget now, they have their own identity and their own icons in their themes.
But with much disappointment, i realise that liamstears took almost all the icons from my Mixed_Theme, than making his own work.
I understand that to make an original theme by your own and from beggining neads much, much, much, much and much work. But it totally UNFAIR to take all icons ready made and finished from others themes.... It's tottally UNFAIR and HUGE mistake...
So in my opinion, liamstears didn't respect at all the Noumerous Hours that I spent to give to other users my viewpoint of how can their Desire HD, look like...
So to prove all these things i am saying If you see his old .zip files he had about 10 themed apps in system/app and now he has 70 apps all themed by ME... Also If you open his new theme (i mean all the .apks from his new theme) and also open all the .apks from my Mixed_Theme you will see that he has used almost all my icons...
In the beggining i didn't give much attention, but as i opened all the .apks he has in his new theme calling Theme Animation 3.6.0, everywhere there were MY icons...
The only sure thing is that we both like colorful themes. And to prove that you can see in my signature that i have made Mixed_Theme for my Milestone too, about 6-7 months ago and it was also colorful...But the BIG difference here is that we both like colorful themes doesn't mean that we must the same icons too...
How can now the users, of Desire HD section, decide what theme to use, if there are 2 theme almost the same???
I honestly admire the work of every themer here in xda, including liamstears and i also honestly admire liamstears for his several MODs (like Browser MOD which removes the limit of 5 opened tabs) and in description of my Mixed_Theme i mentioned him for that MOD, but i can not seat here and just watch things happening... and as i explain in P.S. in bottom, the MODs are different and to take all .pngs are different...
I was very tired to make my Mixed_Theme, as all themers who makes original themes by their own. We are talking about 2000 icons and about 3 weeks of work with 6-7 hours/day and i made all icons ONE by ONE from begging...
I can say more things but i am so tired and disappointed... So i stop here...
So here is the right thing that in my opinion can be done:
Conclusions are yours, but as you can understand if liamstears doesn't delete his new theme and try to give you his own theme and make his own icons from beggining, i must delete mine.... as there is no point for users to have 2 same themes with very little differences... So i will wait 1 day...
P.S. All themers, including me, take several MODs from Developers (brightness, PowerControlBar in notification bar, Modded apps like Black HtcDialer, etc). For example to include the Black HTCDialer.apk in my Mixed_Theme, i first asked he_stheone64 (as he is the developer of Black HTCDialer.apk) and after he gave me the permission, i included in my Mixed_Theme.... So to take several MODs, with the permission of developer who maded, it's completly different thing, of taking of one theme all the icons and to put them in your theme... And that is because 1)users will have 2 same themes and most important 2)you don't respect the work and the spended hours of the themer you took the icons.
The whole thing about Android is openess, but if someone's work is being used without permission or without credit being given then that's not good etiquette.
It's not for me to take sides here as I haven't used either theme but I hope you guys manage to sort things out
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The whole thing about Android is openess, but if someone's work is being used without permission or without credit being given then that's not good etiquette.
It's not for me to take sides here as I haven't used either theme but I hope you guys manage to sort things out
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I totally agree with you. If someone wants to use others hard worked resources, he should definitely rely on owner's decision. I have worked on CM 6.1.3 themes and know exactly how painful task it is. Respect others hard work and bring your own ideas instead of using someone's and giving credit to yourself (without even asking him!).
If this is a formal complaint .....PM at your earliest convenience.
Cheers,
M_T_M
M_T_M said:
If this is a formal complaint .....PM at your earliest convenience.
Cheers,
M_T_M
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So i saw right now you are our Moderator here in Desire HD section...
So what is your suggestion for all these???
All i am saying can be easely proved...
CitizenLee said:
The whole thing about Android is openess, but if someone's work is being used without permission or without credit being given then that's not good etiquette.
It's not for me to take sides here as I haven't used either theme but I hope you guys manage to sort things out
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I agree, but that's different from open source idea...
If all of you have 2 themes almost the same, what's the point???
Every themer must have his own viewpoint on how your phones could be look like...
And every themer must have the guts to work hard to present to the users something different...
I understand where your irritation is coming from. I've had two of my large scale themes taken by a particular user and then passed off as completely his own work with him asking for donations for all his hard work. The same user is still using various fragments of my work and claiming it as his own (some people will never learn).
While is annoying and irritating, I don't think it is big enough reason to stop what you are doing. There are always going to be people that will take your work and use it or pass it off as their own. I don't think you should delete your thread/theme and stop releasing it to people as long as you still enjoy doing it.
I don't care if people ask me if they can use my work (and if someone doesn't credit me, as long as they aren't trying to pass it off all of it off as his/her own work and/or asking donations for it). In my threads, I put up a file with all my images and xml files so people don't have to rip all the images out of the various apk's, and they will only have the images from the apk's that I have themed and not the stock images in there as well.
Edit1: I was looking at the last page of your thread, and it appears that you have some users that really like your theme and enjoy using it.
Think of it this way, if people are taking your work, then you're doing something right.
david1171 said:
I understand where your irritation is coming from. I've had two of my large scale themes taken by a particular user and then passed off as completely his own work with him asking for donations for all his hard work. The same user is still using various fragments of my work and claiming it as his own (some people will never learn).
While is annoying and irritating, I don't think it is big enough reason to stop what you are doing. There are always going to be people that will take your work and use it or pass it off as their own. I don't think you should delete your thread/theme and stop releasing it to people as long as you still enjoy doing it.
I don't care if people ask me if they can use my work (and if someone doesn't credit me, as long as they aren't trying to pass it off all of it off as his/her own work and/or asking donations for it). In my threads, I put up a file with all my images and xml files so people don't have to rip all the images out of the various apk's, and they will only have the images from the apk's that I have themed and not the stock images in there as well.
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Look mate, i have done such much work (as you did also) that i have changed almost ALL icons in ALL apps in /system/app. So there are not many icons left to be changed...
And the hole point for me is saperated in 2 things:
1) what's the point to be out there 2 same themes???
2) As i respect the work of all other developers-themers i demand the others to respect mine....
By the way i like colorful themes and you like minimalistics.... So users have 2 different choices... that's how the things should be.... Every themer to deposit his clear opinion.... And as i said both me and liamstears like the colorful themes... So the right thing would be for him to seat infront of his computer and search and port different colorful icons to users...
But that takes much much time, so the ready icons are sweeter....
Whilst I totally understand your point I guess you should consider this: if your work is good enough to be "copied" or "used" by someone other and claimed as his/her own, then it's good work really!
That not asking is totally lacking finesse and etiquette is another consideration of course...
I assume you contacted the thief?
mrmad23 said:
Whilst I totally understand your point I guess you should consider this: if your work is good enough to be "copied" or "used" by someone other and claimed as his/her own, then it's good work really!
That not asking is totally lacking finesse and etiquette is another consideration of course...
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I see the point of you, but in my opinion in the same section there is no reason all you to have 2 same themes....
JCopernicus said:
I assume you contacted the thief?
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I don't like to use such words...
Of course i contacted him, and after i did that he put my name in the bottom of his first post...
But i haven't realise from beggining what excatlly he have done... After i downloaded his new theme and i opened every single apk i realise the HUGE mistake of his....
In every .apk has almost all my icons...
And when i realise what was going on, i decided to make this thread and of course i didn't notify him...
I am confused now also
You seemed fine when we talked in private but now you are trying to humilate me and make me look stupid? Why? What is the point of this?
At the end of the day BOTH of us have spent days/weeks/hours on each of our themes, BOTH of us have done lots of work and BOTH of us deserve the praise for the work we have done.
Yes I have used quite a few icons from your theme but why is that different to you using multiple amounts of mods and ideas from other people?
Our themes are different and are ment for different people, the most important icons in out themes are different, a couple of icons I released in that theme of yours were a quick release why I make some of my own as I had lots of requests and just wanted to fill them requests asap.
We both have our own tastes and both want to do our own thing so why cant we just get on with it in a civilised manor?
And if our themes are so similar then why did you release yours in the first place? Knowing that mine is already there which is what yours was going to be anyway?
At the end of the day your crying because someone is using icons from your theme but hey wait a minute, If I look into your theme oh wait a minute you didnt make all of it! You have used many mods from other people and even used icons from other people! I see 1 of your icons you even got from me! I know because I say there with photoshop when I didnt like 1 icon and now you have it exactly the same!
Android OS = Open source!
Everything you release is released knowing that anyone can do what they want with it basically.
I have mentioned you in my thread and thanked you for icons but that is all thats needed, this thread isnt.
You should continue to make your theme but really you should loose the attitude.
You didn't use few of my icons, you used almost ALL my icons... and you took over about 60 apps themed by Me in system/app...
And in the morning we talked I haven't realised exactly what you did...
I don't want to humiliate you, I wrote that I admire you for you MODs like the Browser MOD you did...
But now I am telling this for 1000time...
THERE ARE 2 SAME THEMES OUT THERE...
So if you don't delete your theme and try to make it from begging to show your viewpoint you will force me to delete Mine Theme...
And in you last theme obviously you didn't spend much time...
In previous themes yes I agree you have done good work, but not in your last one, as you used almost ALL my icons and not just FEW...
And I DIDN'T take a single icon from anybody that's for sure...
And if you think I'm crying what can I say???
I agree Android=Open Source but you tell me what's the point to exist 2 same THEMES out there for the users????
P.S Read few post above to see the opinion of another themer here and try to realise that it's nothing wrong with my attitude but with yours...
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Liamstears, there's a difference between open source and being polite. It's fine if you're modifying Kalagas work, and use it for yourself, but repack it as your own and release it is just wrong.
Now, just say that you're sorry, and that's it. And next time, i hope you'll ask before you release other peoples work without permission.
Liamstears, copyright still exists in open source. You can never claim the work as your own, unless explicitly given that right by the copyright holder.
My most important point here is that if one themer takes almost all icons from another themer, then the users will be confused and they will not be able to select a theme for their phone... That's why I insist that every one of the themers must have their unique identity...
And unfortunately the identity of a theme is made by how it's be looking, that means by the icons...
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leppie said:
Liamstears, copyright still exists in open source. You can never claim the work as your own, unless explicitly given that right by the copyright holder.
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BazookaAce said:
Liamstears, there's a difference between open source and being polite. It's fine if you're modifying Kalagas work, and use it for yourself, but repack it as your own and release it is just wrong.
Now, just say that you're sorry, and that's it. And next time, i hope you'll ask before you release other peoples work without permission.
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I agree with both of you and that is why he is mentioned in my thread and thanked for his icons but what I dont get it why he was ok with it and then decided to open this thread?
Also im sorry if hes p***** off I didnt mean to but I dont see why hes going to the extent of saying he will delete his theme theres no need for that. He does good work and should keep it up, people like his theme and mine for different reasons and people choose 1 or the other and people like the choice, you shouldnt take it down.
kalagas said:
My most important point here is that if one themer takes almost all icons from another themer, then the users will be confused and they will not be able to select a theme for their phone... That's why I insist that every one of the themers must have their unique identity...
And unfortunately the identity of a theme is made by how it's be looking, that means by the icons...
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Mine is designed to use 1 of my 2 skins and when skins are used the themes look completely different
They were a lot users that liked your previous releases too...
Now all users that liked my theme, they find it also in your latest release...
I'm not extent it cause I am bad guy or anything else, I just say that there is no reason to exist 2 same THEMES in the same section...
That's all...
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kalagas said:
They were a lot that liked your previous releases too...
Now all users that liked my theme, they find it also in your latest release...
I'm not extent it cause I am bad guy or anything else, I just say that there is on season to exist 2 same THEMES in the same section...
That's all...
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Yes I understand and agree BUT I think themes are different, I have had people say they prefer your theme to mine and people say they prefer mine to yours after my 3.6.0 release, both themes should exist
But how can be different themes if both use almost the same icons in all apps in system/app and almost the same icons in framework-res.apk and in com.HTC. resources.apk
There are no other icons inside the phone...
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