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Alternative to Manilla TF2D?

I have been using the Manilla Touch Flo 2D interface on my Tilt. When I first installed it (about a month ago) I absolutely loved it. I have installed several different themes, and it's pretty nice to look at.
However, I just can't stand the fact that it doesn't support landscape. Let's face it, the big attraction that lead most of us to purchase our Tilts (Kaisers, whatever) is the fact that it has a keyboard (or a tilting screen, which isn't possible without the keyboard slid out). So the fact that TF2D doesn't support landscare is extremely limiting.
Not to mention it's kind of buggy, and sluggish. But the lack of landscape support is really proving to be the deal breaker for me. I use my device in landscape mode more than portrait mode.
So what do you guys think is a good alternative for me? I used SPB Mobile Shell a few years ago on my PPC-6700 when mobile Shell was first released (I'm sure there is a new and better version of it out now, I used the very first version), and it was okay. How is it now? Or is there anything else?
I'm hoping to have something finger friendly, works in landscape, doesn't bog the device down (sluggish), and maybe even something that allows custom skins.
I see the hackers are working on porting TF3D, and it supports landscape. But it is early on in the porting process, and still sluggish and buggy. Is there a finished product yet that can compete?

Mobile shell has come leaps and bounds in the last 2 versions. When 2.0 came out it was almost a copy of HTC home. A lot of people prefer HTC home anyway. Before M2D I used mobile shell. As soon as T3D is functional I will be headed that direction. The graphics are amazing.

As i don't use the htc audio manager / picture viewer, manila tf2d makes no sense for me. I use Pointui with a custom made xml. works perfectly (well, nearly )

landscape is fixed by Mbarvian, it's not the fasted way but it's working.
also on the PDAcornerUltimate V5 Landscape manilla2d is working with the tabs.

rohithathie said:
landscape is fixed by Mbarvian, it's not the fasted way but it's working.
also on the PDAcornerUltimate V5 Landscape manilla2d is working with the tabs.
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Where is Manilla working with the tabs in landscape? Is it a skin I need to install or a new version of Manilla?

Try Throttle Launcher.

6666 said:
Try Throttle Launcher.
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i 2nd that

mrphatpat said:
i 2nd that
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x3!
It looks cool

I'll have to recommend PointUI 1.51a. In my experience, it's the smoothest running interface, and it replaces the rubbish WM task bar & ugly settings menu system (if you tell it to).
It works great in landscape and allows easy access to many functions. It takes minimal configuring, and looks all right. Not very customisable though, so if you like changing themes & tweaking etc, it may not be your favourite.

rohithathie said:
landscape is fixed by Mbarvian, it's not the fasted way but it's working.
also on the PDAcornerUltimate V5 Landscape manilla2d is working with the tabs.
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SaltyDawg said:
Where is Manilla working with the tabs in landscape? Is it a skin I need to install or a new version of Manilla?
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you really need to check it out, although I am still running V4 of PDAcornerUltimate after two weeks , it is a very stable rom, I have read that version 7 is out and is all so very fast and stable, well worth trying out...
(27 Oct 08) PDACornerUltimate.V7-20921|HTCCA D3D|M2D|New Improvements
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=428261

WAD for the win. By miles.

i used pointui for a while but the battery drain was unacceptable. if battery was not an issue pointui would be my choice. however, i use manila2d right now. spb pocket plus is useful and customizable, but doesnt have any flashy animations if that is what you are looking for.

rohithathie said:
landscape is fixed by Mbarvian, it's not the fasted way but it's working.
also on the PDAcornerUltimate V5 Landscape manilla2d is working with the tabs.
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Yeah I checked that out but it is really only the home and weather tabs that actually work in landscape...
Unless he has a newer version that isn't on the first page of the main Manilla skins thread.

Wlofea said:
WAD for the win. By miles.
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i loved that, but it frooze too much

throttle launcher v9.6 should be out soon, i recommend using throttle launcher

WM 6.5 Build 23022 New UI (11-Aug-09)

There is a new WM6.5 build 23022 with new UI
Check this out!!!
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=6625
More Screen shots
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=6672
Video
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=6713

nice that they are making changes to it. hope its not just another skin modification or something

Hi
Aleluya,
it is your time to put the Ok button
down, it's easier .....
Thank you for the info!

I don't like this new UI,top and bot bars are increased and for Manila this is not a good things,HTC Task Manager icon is covered from the clock,MS moved left softkey to the middle and this way home screen became ugly...
I try this 23022 on my HD but i moved back to 23017 in 5 minutes...I hope MS will complete the new UI with a better look,IMHO,now,this is not the right way.

Which ROM base on Build 23022? i want to try

texture said:
I don't like this new UI,top and bot bars are increased and for Manila this is not a good things,HTC Task Manager icon is covered from the clock,MS moved left softkey to the middle and this way home screen became ugly...
I try this 23022 on my HD but i moved back to 23017 in 5 minutes...I hope MS will complete the new UI with a better look,IMHO,now,this is not the right way.
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I can agree with you that it is not the prettiest of changes, however the fact that they are changing the UI proves that they have finally realized that the UI looks crap

Go here...at the end of the first post, there are 2 TEST versions
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=493911

Thanks for the ROM Miri
Is this build not stable yet? Why is it Test version?

Because of the graphic glitches. If you have time test it and you will see what's going to come
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Thanks for the ROM Miri
Is this build not stable yet? Why is it Test version?
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That looks nice OK button was always a big problem for me it's to small and it's too damn far away from the thumbs when you operate with one hand.It's not maybe the best solution but definetly an improvement I don't want to try it cause it's too early version but what happens to the task button? I see that the clock is there so it's removed ?

hey miri is it gonna be a non-manila v or we wait 4 a stable build coz this one seems nice alot visual changes

Nope, 23022 is not ready for daily usage, we have to wait a little more
sweet_eye_h said:
hey miri is it gonna be a non-manila v or we wait 4 a stable build coz this one seems nice alot visual changes
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23022 and Manilla 2.5
Miri - I am big user of your Manilla 2.5 ROMs. Please share when you think you will drop a 23022 build combined with Manilla 2.5. Keep up the good work!

Now the important problem is manila 2.5 is not stable! not the WM6.5 if you dont use manila, you can enjoy the new version of WM.
But I think microsoft is not creative. HTC had made the WM more easy-operative and better apparence.
So, it is not microsoft but HTC which should optimize their work.

i really hate Window 6.5 UI. Just look and see at the home screen the top and bottom bar are transparent but when u go into setting or sms for example they turn into black. It's really baadddddddddddd . That's the reason why i choose to stay with 6.1 rom until now

mitut said:
i really hate Window 6.5 UI. Just look and see at the home screen the top and bottom bar are transparent but when u go into setting or sms for example they turn into black. It's really baadddddddddddd . That's the reason why i choose to stay with 6.1 rom until now
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Absolutely right

I really like the new WM6.5 UI. It is a definite improvement from WM6.1, despite the fact that I don't really like a 100% Touch interface. I like using my stylus too but this is in WM6.5 not an issue.
What I don't like is Manila. How can I disable it completely? I am not talking about Touch Flo but about Manila. I want to have the original WM6.5 experience...

There are soime rom called super light here where u can get only 6.5 experience without manila. But as i talked above u should stay with 6.1 because u will get dissappointed with 6.5 right after u use it

petvas said:
I really like the new WM6.5 UI. It is a definite improvement from WM6.1, despite the fact that I don't really like a 100% Touch interface. I like using my stylus too but this is in WM6.5 not an issue.
What I don't like is Manila. How can I disable it completely? I am not talking about Touch Flo but about Manila. I want to have the original WM6.5 experience...
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if yo want to disable manila goto settings->today->items and uncheck "TouchFlo 3D"
if you want to get the original wm6.5 experience you have to enable titanium which is microsofts new "desktop". you can enable it under settings->today->items and tick "Windows default".

This is the merge of MD (maldives) and Com3.
There are definitely many issues with the number of changes made and many of the new UI updates have no real skinned assets.
However, there are some fixes in 23022 and the native 480x800 resources help (the themes included also have reg settings which need to be applied).
X button replacements like HTC TaskManager have some issues, as do the Notification managers and enlarge start menu services.
MS is in the progress of transitioning the notification UI to the confetti plus engine (the HW accelerated, XML/CPR driven engine that runs the start menu)
Knowing Miri, he will likely have a stable build up by the end of the weekend.

[REF] Updated 2-OCT: Latest 6.5 and 6.5.x builds and Manila builds for Rom selection

For those like me that could be confused about the latest builds when searching for a new ROM, I’d like to share what I found after a long search.
There are several different branches of development. Higher number doesn't mean a newer version.
6.5 Builds:
These builds have the 'Start' and 'Ok' buttons on top.
a) 219xx = COM2, WM 6.5.0
The latest build is the 21916.
These builds don't include finger friendly buttons, but it's the most stable, less memory demanding, fast and the one which is giving no problems with WM6.1 software. All programs I works perfect (activesync, Tomtom, games, etc.) including those for older WM versions.
The development of the WM 6.5 is finished.
6.5.x builds:
These builds have big Start and Ok buttons at the bottom of screen, and much more finger friendly.
Main programs works work ok but some old programs have position problems.
b) 230xx = COM3, WM 6.5.3
The latest build I found is the 23153.
This is branch used by the 'official' 6.5.3 devices.
These builds include finger friendly buttons, start button at the bottom and eye candy appearance.
I'm using (cooking) these builds for everyday use and they are stable and showing very good performance.
Last build was just released by DFT.
c) 290xx,
New branch.
The latest build I found is the 29022
It has good Ram management, it's stable and quite fast.
IE has flash support.
I've been using this branch for a few weeks with good results.
This branch is the only one active recently.
d) 216xx
The latest build I found was 21690
HTC branch development.
Good Ram management, stable and very snappy.
e) 236xx
The latest build I found is the 23699.
It seems to be very fast and stable.
f) 282xx
Latest build found was 28245
Apparently the latest builds are very stable and faster than other 6.5.x builds.
g) 24xxx
Latest build found is the 24635.
Seems to be fast, stable & visually appealing. Battery consumption seems very good as well.
Possible HTC branch
h) 235xx = COM5 [Discontinued]
The latest ROM I found is the 23569.
This is a development branch, finger friendly with new Outlook Interface and threaded email. It's not as stable as the COM2/3 builds.
The development on this branch seems to be finished.
i) other branches 6.5.x:
I found the 22047, 25028
Manila 2.5 builds (HTC Sense):
The latest one found is the build 2.5.2021 with manila home 2022.
Sense 2.5 is really great, even if it consume a lot of resuorces from your phone.
When selecting a ROM you will find:
- LEO Manila 2.5: It include all tabs (ereader, docs, footprints), but it's very slow on the blackstone.
- Rodhium Manila 2.5: this one is optimized for our old (slow) processor, it works on landscape mode, but it does not include eReader, docs and Footrint tab and some of the animations have been removed (music and pictures tabs on landscape). (note: you will find some hybrid versions based on the Rodhium manila with the missing tabs added. E.G: NRGZ28)
For the differences between Manila 2.1 and 2.5 check this post.
Manila 2.1 builds (HTC Sense):
The latest one found is the build 2.1.38411.0
Not as nice as the 2.5, but it's much faster and uses less memory.
HTC Packages:
From LEO: 3.14 (From TMUS HD2 including Manila 2.5.2018) .
From Rhodium: 2.10 (From ATT Tilt 2 including Manila 2.5.2013) .
From Oboe (Com3): 1.18 including Manila 2021
From Huasan (com3): 1.27
Pls feel free to comment about your experiencies on the different branches, and we will update the post.
Also I had a few questions/answers:
a) Does anyone know which is the WM6.5 build that is included on the devices which appear on the 6-oct? and which is the one found in the latest LEO?
Reply post #8: in Austria Samsung OMNIA II with WM 6.5 build 21856.5.0.65
b) Seen a lot of discussion about ‘page pool’. Is it something that normal users have to know, or is it just for cookers?
Reply post #8: Yes, you can improve the speed of the rom you're about to flash, but it will reduce the program memory
c) Why Manila (HTC TouchFlo/ Sense) can not be found as a Cab?
There are some developers which have created some instalable CABs, but as a general rule if you want to update your manila you need to flash a new ROM with the Manila version you want.
Rgds

Thanks

Thanks for the info!

Thanks for info. Also looking for answers to your questions.

nice work
I wouldn't call those ugly fat buttons in the later versions "eye candy" though, seems people are split over how helpful they actually are, having tried them myself I found them to be unnecessarily large and wrecked the look of Manila. But each to his own I suppose, looks like that is the direction they are going with Windows 7
oh I believe the rtm version and the one on leo are the 218xx builds, they are far more stable and work well with Manila, you won't see any of the later fat button builds until next year at least.

3lixir said:
nice work
I wouldn't call those ugly fat buttons in the later versions "eye candy" though, seems people are split over how helpful they actually are, having tried them myself I found them to be unnecessarily large and wrecked the look of Manila. But each to his own I suppose, looks like that is the direction they are going with Windows 7
oh I believe the rtm version and the one on leo are the 218xx builds, they are far more stable and work well with Manila, you won't see any of the later fat button builds until next year at least.
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Hmm... although the buttons at the bottom often don't look very nice - if they're skinned the right way, the do look great. And using MaxTTM to make the top and bottom bars transparent, it looks even better! And I just love that I no longer have to stretch my small hands all the way across the screen just to open the start menu or tap X ...

Interesting info, should shed some light for noobs and junior members alike.

ypsmav said:
c) 230xx = COM3, continuing development of 6.5.0.60
The latest one I found is the 23064.
These builds include finger friendly buttons, start button at the bottom and eye candy appearance, but seems that the Roms cooked with this build still have bugs.
We can find a few Roms form PhamQuang of on this branch and also Miri has posted some test versions. Hellonasty too: Maryone V0.01, V0.02 and V0.03 (coming soon with "Manila 1920xx" according to his last post edit)
Also I have a few questions:
a) Does anyone know which is the WM6.5 build that is included on the devices which appear on the 6-oct? Here in Austria I bought a Samsung OMNIA II with WM 6.5 build 21856.5.0.65
b) Seen a lot of discussion about ‘page pool’. Is it something that normal users have to know, Yes, I can improve the speed of the rom you're about to flash, but it will reduce the program memory. or is it just for cookers?
Thanks to this great forum. Yes, it is a very great forum!
Rgds
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A few comments, if you don't mind.
Nice day all!

Good to see some members are actually reading into the matter.
Good job!

MAMeingast said:
Hmm... although the buttons at the bottom often don't look very nice - if they're skinned the right way, the do look great. And using MaxTTM to make the top and bottom bars transparent, it looks even better! And I just love that I no longer have to stretch my small hands all the way across the screen just to open the start menu or tap X ...
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I skinned the buttons too, (or just use the htc black theme) but still think they are needlessly too big and push the rest of the screen up, and having start at the bottom just doesn't look as smart and spoils the symmetry, it's seems tacky and clumsy in my opinion since it was designed with Titanium in mind and not htc sense .
Personally I think they should put an option to have the large buttons in the "accessibility" or "ease of access" section in settings along with the large font size and text to speech options....

Just an update (if you want to insert it in the firt post): Manila 2.5 1920 is out.
Regards,
K

thanks...useful info in a single post...
pls keep it updated if you can

23016 and previous were not finger friendly ...

Nominated for a sticky if you ask me.

thanks for this info - its cleared a lot of confusion for me!!

MAMeingast said:
Hmm... although the buttons at the bottom often don't look very nice - if they're skinned the right way, the do look great. And using MaxTTM to make the top and bottom bars transparent, it looks even better! And I just love that I no longer have to stretch my small hands all the way across the screen just to open the start menu or tap X ...
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Hi Mameingast,
Can you please explain me how you have skinned these buttons? I have been looking for the names of these buttons, but couldn't find them.
I would appreciate a little help very much.

check out Miri's v29 roms.....they are 21869
(your threat is very usefull!!)

eddyve said:
Hi Mameingast,
Can you please explain me how you have skinned these buttons? I have been looking for the names of these buttons, but couldn't find them.
I would appreciate a little help very much.
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Hey!
The way the buttons look is part of the WM-theme you choose. The one I use is called "htc black theme" (someone else here already mentioned that theme). With it, the buttons are no longer buttons but only the symbols - which already looks alot better to me.
And for the background including the bars you have to use MaxTTM (search for it in the theme section). It has a WM 6.5 option to get the background image to stretch behind the top and bottom bars as well: You have to open MaxTTM, head to the WM 6.5 tab and check a few boxes there. Since my HD is broken, I can't check the correct settings atm, but I'm sure someone else can help you with that! Also, there is a manual for MaxTTM which should include some useful information!

Thank you very much for your info. It is very useful for the junior like me.

Just some info to update the first post with: The screenshot attached is taken from Hellonasty's MaryOne v0.03 (which is bloody excellent by the way).
Good idea this thread. Hopefully, the OP will keep it updated.

Tilewaves panel for htc diamond

Guys....i just saw the Xperia running Tilewaves panel...i searched a lot to check if its available for Diamonds but no luck ... is there any way to port it to our Diamond?? cuz it'd be awesome to see it running on the Diamond

panels are not programs they are dll's which the panel launcher can use
without the panel launcher no dice
recall threads about the panel launcher was made to run on blackstone but then it have the same res as x1
other then that you need s/e to give you the source-code of the panel to make it into a normal program good luck with that

[Q] All different types of Skins

Excuse me XDA members for my question.
I saw a lot of app to customize WinMo (taken from HTC and other...)
What are the following things???
---Touch Flo 2D
---Touch Flo 3D
---Touch Flo HD
---Touch Flo HD v.2
---Xperia x1 panels
---Manila 2D
---Manila 3D
---Cookie's Home Tab
Which is the best? Where can I download the latest version?
My phone has WVGA Resolution, but the screen is landscape...

---I know Wisbar Advance and Wisbar Advance Desktop.
Which are your favourite themes for this programs? (especially for WVGA).
---I know SPB Mobile Shell and a lot others.
Which are your favourite themes for this programs? (especially for WVGA).

Co0kie Home Tab is a modifciation of manila3d, and it makes the home screen very customizable with the ability to have many widgets, swype screen left and right, up and down, and easy modify graphics elements in the screen. But I am not sure if manila3D can be installable in your device. You can get the EXT packages from this kitchen and try. Once you have manila3d (also called HTC Sense) you can try to install Co0kie Home Tab from here. But again, I do not know if this will work in your device.

Thanks poyensa,
I wait for others comment from other XDA members...

Samsung also has TouchWiz on the Omnia series of Windows Mobile phones.

Thanks kjliev
I think TouchWiz is the customization included in Omnia 2...
But the others?...

I want the skin in this image!
What is it? Can I download it? (also in landscape)
It also change dialer and other things?

what you want exactly? is this image from your device and you want to modify it? then you need to provide the manila version you have installed; or you want to import the skin to your device?

Mich-C said:
Excuse me XDA members for my question.
I saw a lot of app to customize WinMo (taken from HTC and other...)
What are the following things???
---Touch Flo 2D
---Touch Flo 3D
---Touch Flo HD
---Touch Flo HD v.2
---Xperia x1 panels
---Manila 2D
---Manila 3D
---Cookie's Home Tab
Which is the best? Where can I download the latest version?
My phone has WVGA Resolution, but the screen is landscape...
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There is an Android skin for WM. To install, it needs Cookie's Home Tab.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=9782280

poyensa said:
what you want exactly? is this image from your device and you want to modify it? then you need to provide the manila version you have installed; or you want to import the skin to your device?
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My phone doesn't have Manila. This is a screenshot I found on internet and I want to import the skin to my device

chan.sk said:
There is an Android skin for WM. To install, it needs Cookie's Home Tab.http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=9782280
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Thank you chan.sk but I want to know the apps for customizing the phone more than the skins for them.
(In the 3rd post of the thread poyensa explained me Cookie Home Tabs and he gave me the link to the download)

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My phone doesn't have Manila. This is a screenshot I found on internet and I want to import the skin to my device
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I think that slider icons belongs to this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=726996. That slider works in HTC Sense (manila 2.5) You can dump the files with any cab manager tool (see here)
To convert the manila files to png format (and viceversa) you may need CFC GUI or TF3D manila mode9 editor
If you want to apply that cab directly to your device you need to have manila 2.5 installed in your device. I remember some links to a manila 2.5 cab made by jmart518, but the best way should be cooking it in your rom. Some ext package should still be available in XDA. I know manila 2.5 had been ported to some non HTC devices (omnia2). If not possible you can try with manila 2.1.
Regards,

poyensa said:
I think that slider icons belongs to this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=726996. That slider works in HTC Sense (manila 2.5).......
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Thanks Poyensa, I was looking for this.
But I think this time you wronged : there is no need to modify Manila, just install the right version.
I read about a software to configure Manila (it seems to me that without it Manila don't start at all).

Mich-C said:
Thanks Poyensa, I was looking for this.
But I think this time you wronged : there is no need to modify Manila, just install the right version.
I read about a software to configure Manila (it seems to me that without it Manila don't start at all).
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have you tried this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=541750

poyensa said:
have you tried this: http://forum.xda-developers.com...
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Sorry but I said my phone has WVGA screen (not QVGA).
Now I discovered that screenshot comes from Htc Touch Pro 2.
I opened a thread in its section but I don't have replies yet.
(2nd post here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2427340)

Mich-C said:
Sorry but I said my phone has WVGA screen (not QVGA).
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Yes but look here & here. Manila2D was done for qvga devices, so all inslatallation on wvga devices strat from qvga then apply some fix for realignment. Specially this thread is for manila2D on X1 which was wvga (800x480). In fact you should look into x1 forum as there was a huge development there and they even had working last verisons of manila3D (HTC Sense)

poyensa said:
Yes but...
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Probably I'll never understand this myself. You're fantastic.
Other users want to do us clarifications for other skin? If no, there's no problem I'll close the thread