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The possibilty of Android 2.2 speed improvements made us Vibrant owners salivate in anticipation for the JIT compiler but didnt see a significant increase in performance like it did with the nexus one. One thing that could eliminate lag in addition to lag fixes is optimization of JIT for our CPU hardware. We would like a proactive effort for developer to investigate for the above avg user. (Non-Developers) JIT Optimization = Higher Linpack MFLOPS
I think we're getting it in gingerbread =p
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Im tired of hearing about linpack and quadrent scores already,they mean nothing.This is the fastest phone on the market right now period,if you dont like it trade it for a g2 or what have you like the rest of the idiots on craigslist.I personally have used every android phone available on tmo including the nexus1,g2,and mt4g.I xan tell you imho this phone is way faster and more responsive,and obviously the display and graphics are 2nd to none.complain about the lack of flash or ffc,but please dont complain about speed and performance,and as far as lag,try flashing a bionix rom after a clean stock odin,I've been using it since it came out and can tell you bionix final v2,and my current rom obsedion v5 run smooth as hell w/ no lagfix or oc kernal.So do yourself a favor,ignore linpack scores.
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Im tired of hearing about linpack and quadrent scores already,they mean nothing.This is the fastest phone on the market right now period,if you dont like it trade it for a g2 or what have you like the rest of the idiots on craigslist.I personally have used every android phone available on tmo including the nexus1,g2,and mt4g.I xan tell you imho this phone is way faster and more responsive,and obviously the display and graphics are 2nd to none.complain about the lack of flash or ffc,but please dont complain about speed and performance,and as far as lag,try flashing a bionix rom after a clean stock odin,I've been using it since it came out and can tell you bionix final v2,and my current rom obsedion v5 run smooth as hell w/ no lagfix or oc kernal.So do yourself a favor,ignore linpack scores.
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i love this guy.
well said.
Jerzeeloon said:
Im tired of hearing about linpack and quadrent scores already,they mean nothing.This is the fastest phone on the market right now period,if you dont like it trade it for a g2 or what have you like the rest of the idiots on craigslist.I personally have used every android phone available on tmo including the nexus1,g2,and mt4g.I xan tell you imho this phone is way faster and more responsive,and obviously the display and graphics are 2nd to none.complain about the lack of flash or ffc,but please dont complain about speed and performance,and as far as lag,try flashing a bionix rom after a clean stock odin,I've been using it since it came out and can tell you bionix final v2,and my current rom obsedion v5 run smooth as hell w/ no lagfix or oc kernal.So do yourself a favor,ignore linpack scores.
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yes, basing everything off benchmarks is dumb. however, you can't ignore the fact that optimizing JIT for the hummingbird will net real world performance improvements.
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yes, basing everything off benchmarks is dumb. however, you can't ignore the fact that optimizing JIT for the hummingbird will net real world performance improvements.
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thank you.....and plus i kno about the myth of high linpacks = better performance. i said "JIT optimization = High linpacks". High Linpack is a side affect of the performance increase. The nexus One performance has jumped exponentially from 2.1 to 2.2 because of the JIT optimization of the Snapdragon in theory, it should do the same for the vibrant as well. Everybody's phone reacts to sofware differently. think im lying, ask the ppl who had vibrants that couldnt OC like the rest like myself or ppl who cant have Voodoo. Trust me lil boy i aint nowhere a noob. Please take ur trollism to some1 else who dont kno wtf theyre talkin about. Actually G2 is the fastest phone on the Market FYI despite being clocked at @806MHz w/o root. If i really wanted to get another phone, i wouldnt be posting stuff like this or being an active poster in a Vibrant forum right? Right????? Checkmate....
1 last thing...f##k yo couch
This has been discussed before, certain Qualcomm chips are better optimizer for arithmetic calculations than the Hummingbird it. It means nothing in real world usage, where the Galaxy S variants still dominate (with a "lag" fix, of course)
Still, despite obvious advantages of Qualcom's CPU, the Hummingbird still can benefit from software optimizations of JIT to efficiently interface the hardware. Performance may not jump like it did w/ the N1, but it would help. Just like a car w/ 600 HP. A car w/ that amount of power is just useless unless it efficiently gets ALL that power to the tires right? same concept applies.
We are not getting it in gingerbread. The snapdragon have faster FPU performance due to a 128 bit SIMD FPU datapath compared to Cortex-A8's 64 bit implementation. Both FPUs process the same SIMD-style instructions, the snapdragon just happens to be able to do twice as much.
http://www.insidedsp.com/Articles/t...ualcomm-Reveals-Details-on-Scorpion-Core.aspx
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We are not getting it in gingerbread. The snapdragon have faster FPU performance due to a 128 bit SIMD FPU datapath compared to Cortex-A8's 64 bit implementation. Both FPUs process the same SIMD-style instructions, the snapdragon just happens to be able to do twice as much.
http://www.insidedsp.com/Articles/t...ualcomm-Reveals-Details-on-Scorpion-Core.aspx
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Look at who made the N1 tho.... HTC is the King at making Android phones. Comparing a N1 to the Vibrant is like comparing a Honda to Ford (Fix Or Repair Daily ) lol I still love my Vibrant tho its a Ford lol
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Im tired of hearing about linpack and quadrent scores already,they mean nothing.This is the fastest phone on the market right now period,if you dont like it trade it for a g2 or what have you like the rest of the idiots on craigslist.I personally have used every android phone available on tmo including the nexus1,g2,and mt4g.I xan tell you imho this phone is way faster and more responsive,and obviously the display and graphics are 2nd to none.complain about the lack of flash or ffc,but please dont complain about speed and performance,and as far as lag,try flashing a bionix rom after a clean stock odin,I've been using it since it came out and can tell you bionix final v2,and my current rom obsedion v5 run smooth as hell w/ no lagfix or oc kernal.So do yourself a favor,ignore linpack scores.
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Couldn't disagree more. I've also used just about every Tmobile compatible android smartphone. I currently have a Vibrant and I wish I would have kept my N1. And I almost pulled the trigger on trading in this POS for a G2 but the financial loss was just too great. I've yet to try any Bionix based MOD that was worth a damn. Not a one. Admittedly I've quit trying but I can't imagine much has changed.
The only thing keeping me from throwing this phone in the ocean some days is Cyanogen's team is getting close. I'm running the beta on a Euro SGS I have. Hate it as much as the Vibrant but I'm hopeful CM can save this phone from a sledgehammer.
You may be tired of hearing it but from my seat, as long as Samsung controls anything on these phones you will continue to hear it. Loudly.
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Look at who made the N1 tho.... HTC is the King at making Android phones. Comparing a N1 to the Vibrant is like comparing a Honda to Ford (Fix Or Repair Daily ) lol I still love my Vibrant tho its a Ford lol
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Please, stop embarrassing yourself. The Nexus One is and was a great phone, but the Vibrant is better in almost every way. Better hardware, bigger screen, better screen, faster, and more units sold.
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Look at who made the N1 tho.... HTC is the King at making Android phones. Comparing a N1 to the Vibrant is like comparing a Honda to Ford (Fix Or Repair Daily ) lol I still love my Vibrant tho its a Ford lol
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Wonderful analogy. I however do not love my Vibrant. I love the hardware and screen but because Samsung pulls the strings, usually I want to drop kick the thing because of it's limitations, instability and overall suck of the Samsung ROM. And yes, pretty much all the mods to it on here. Though Axura is about the closest thing my phone actually likes.
What makes you even think the Galaxy S line is even going to see Gingerbread? This is Samsung we are talking about...
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Look at who made the N1 tho.... HTC is the King at making Android phones. Comparing a N1 to the Vibrant is like comparing a Honda to Ford (Fix Or Repair Daily ) lol I still love my Vibrant tho its a Ford lol
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Htc fell off and google knows it,thats why the new nexus is made by samsung,htc may have pioneered android but there sound always sucked and right now samsung kinda controls the display game,nobody else can produce super amoled and there abou to release super amoled 2,admitidly samsung has a bad rep for not supporting current models(i.e. The whole behold 2 debacle.) And words can't describe how much I hate motorola,htc is still good but I wouldnt call them the android kings,I feel samsung has alot of potential to become the flagship brand for google.
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Couldn't disagree more. I've also used just about every Tmobile compatible android smartphone. I currently have a Vibrant and I wish I would have kept my N1. And I almost pulled the trigger on trading in this POS for a G2 but the financial loss was just too great. I've yet to try any Bionix based MOD that was worth a damn. Not a one. Admittedly I've quit trying but I can't imagine much has changed.
The only thing keeping me from throwing this phone in the ocean some days is Cyanogen's team is getting close. I'm running the beta on a Euro SGS I have. Hate it as much as the Vibrant but I'm hopeful CM can save this phone from a sledgehammer.
You may be tired of hearing it but from my seat, as long as Samsung controls anything on these phones you will continue to hear it. Loudly.
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Oh Ye of little faith.......... Get real I have had almost every phone on the market (I can afford to buy what I want when I want) and after so many this has come closet to what I've been looking for especially since the 2.2 roms are out. My Biggest complaint about people knocking the phone is they always blame the phone for their poor flashing skills. This phone rocks and it is flexible enough to allow gingerbread whenever it arrives. Try that with a DroidX or HD7......(you fill in the name)....BTW I have a FFC and talk over 3g on it using tango without lag. I just need to make it so I can video a call to a computer and I am golden.
Bottomline..........this is a great phone........that is why there are so many devs playing with it.
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thank you.....and plus i kno about the myth of high linpacks = better performance. i said "JIT optimization = High linpacks". High Linpack is a side affect of the performance increase. The nexus One performance has jumped exponentially from 2.1 to 2.2 because of the JIT optimization of the Snapdragon in theory, it should do the same for the vibrant as well. Everybody's phone reacts to sofware differently. think im lying, ask the ppl who had vibrants that couldnt OC like the rest like myself or ppl who cant have Voodoo. Trust me lil boy i aint nowhere a noob. Please take ur trollism to some1 else who dont kno wtf theyre talkin about. Actually G2 is the fastest phone on the Market FYI despite being clocked at @806MHz w/o root. If i really wanted to get another phone, i wouldnt be posting stuff like this or being an active poster in a Vibrant forum right? Right????? Checkmate....
1 last thing...f##k yo couch
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You, my friend, are not very smart. This thread needs to be closed or moved to general. Just as you would make an idiot of yourself trying to argue relativistic quantum mechanics with physicists, you are doing now.
This thread got interesting. As has already been said the Snapdragon benefits from JIT more because of its 128bit SIMD. While I am sure there is probably some room left to optimize JIT for the Hummingbird I wouldn't expect anything near the gain the N1 saw. I guess it is good or bad depending on how you look at it but the latest 2.2 ROMs floating around is as good as it gets regarding 2.2 and JIT. Don't expect much if any gain there.
But lets face it in the real world the phones perform about the same which leaves me to believe the benchmarks are that much more meaningless because they usually don't test things you actually use the phone for. Some of them would have you belive the N1 is twice as fast as the SGS and anyone with a grasp on reality just knows that isn't true. This also makes me curious when I read about people saying their phones are slow. It makes me wonder what they have done to them to slow them down because even on the stock ROM my phone was pretty snappy. And on Onyx 4.2 my phone is blazing fast with no lag fix or OC! Seriously this ROM is crazy smooth and fast and everything works.
Don't expect much from CM that you can't already get in the 2.2 ROMs floating around here. CM will still be RFS and they are using the same lag fix as everyone else here and really there isn't much of an advantage to their ROM as long as that is the case. Sure they will have features that you won't see in other ROMs here but overall I expect the CM ROMs will perform about the same as the SGS source based ROMs.
As I have already said I think this phone is fast but if there is any real speed gain to be had it will be accomplished by replacing RFS with something more efficient.
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Couldn't disagree more. I've also used just about every Tmobile compatible android smartphone. I currently have a Vibrant and I wish I would have kept my N1. And I almost pulled the trigger on trading in this POS for a G2 but the financial loss was just too great. I've yet to try any Bionix based MOD that was worth a damn. Not a one. Admittedly I've quit trying but I can't imagine much has changed.
The only thing keeping me from throwing this phone in the ocean some days is Cyanogen's team is getting close. I'm running the beta on a Euro SGS I have. Hate it as much as the Vibrant but I'm hopeful CM can save this phone from a sledgehammer.
You may be tired of hearing it but from my seat, as long as Samsung controls anything on these phones you will continue to hear it. Loudly.
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From what I understand cm for the vibrant still has a lot of proprietary samsung stuff in it, because otherwise it just wouldn't work.
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boimarc89 said:
Look at who made the N1 tho.... HTC is the King at making Android phones. Comparing a N1 to the Vibrant is like comparing a Honda to Ford (Fix Or Repair Daily ) lol I still love my Vibrant tho its a Ford lol
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...did you just say Honda is the king of making cars?
I guess this thread is inspired by the fact that, right after paying $650 to get an unlocked XT860 shipped to me from Canada, I started reading about the MyTouch 4G and some other models.
The MyTouch 4G, despite having the most effeminate and possibly even borderline creepy name I could ever dream up (they should have just called it the MyDelicateCaress 4G while they were at it), it seems to have a somewhat better screen (except in in full sunlight of course, and it's lower-res too), a slightly inferior keyboard, and a slightly worse worse battery life; none of these are a issues when you consider that the MyTouch 4G is only $350 or so, maybe even cheaper.
But enough about the MyFondle; That's not what this thread is meant to be about. Moreso than a debate between D3's and MT4G's, this is really meant to be a discussion detailing the stance of the D3 as far as where it stands in comparison to the other phones in its league (league referring to generation, physical size range, processor details, etc.), including the Galaxy S II, Epic 4G, etc., as well as comparing their various available current-gen processors and graphics chipsets in terms of power consumption, raw speed/benchmarks, and special attributes (meaning certain abilities/optmizations/extensions that allow for better handling/acceleration of specific things such as Flash, certain video formats, or 3D).
Like for instance, I notice that many phones in our native OMAP gaggle seem to be sporting the Cortex A9 4440 or 4460, or even the 4470; do you think our 4430 hinders us significantly?
And, like everyone, I've always wondered about the D3's graphics performance versus the sheer retard-strength of the iPhone.
I'm also wondering, in our pursuit of a physical keyboard, are we allowing Moto to bone us a little as far as making concessions on the specs of our phones in exchange? Do these minor concessions cause us to lag behind?
Very interesting post..... coming from a Droid Incredible, the speeds seems about the same. However, I will say this, Motorola UI slows down the phone a lot more as compared to other UI, such as Sense. The processor isn't the problem, it is the UI slowing it down. That is why the iPhone is so fast, it has a simple UI.
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Very interesting post..... coming from a Droid Incredible, the speeds seems about the same. However, I will say this, Motorola UI slows down the phone a lot more as compared to other UI, such as Sense. The processor isn't the problem, it is the UI slowing it down. That is why the iPhone is so fast, it has a simple UI.
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Hmmm... As a side-note I definitely plan to root my D3 and run that de-bloatware script I've been hearing about, but is there a good ROM, or maybe a rooted option to shut off Motoblur in order to speed up the performance?
I'm increasingly convinced I bought the best keyboard-equipped phone on the market (not that it's going to matter in a year or so when the 2.5GHz quad-core/128GB/Android 4.8 "BananaBread" DROID4 5G comes out, but it's still nice to bask in the glow of having top-of-the-line Android gear, even if it's short-lived).
Anyone else have any comparisons, technical or experience-based input?
A lot of people are very pleased with the few roms we have, MonsterRom and SteelDroid being our heavy hitters at the moment, but we also have darkdroid and narcotics just hitting the scene. I've been running monster for a while now, and the way I describe it, is wicked fast. Comes with the stock android launcher, though I use Launcher Pro, which itself is much faster than motoblur. Give some of the roms a try, see if you like them
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If it wasn't for the crappy bloated Motoblur interface and skinning, the Droid 3 would have been the best qwerty phone out today.
BTW, I used to own the T-Mobile G2 and it's keyboard is exactly what the MyTouch 4G is based on. The T-Mobile G2 has better click and response. The MyTouch 4G keys are indeed smaller than the G2 and definitely flatter. The only upgrade is the LED indicators for Shift and Fn.
The MyTouch 4G's keyboard is not slightly inferior. Rather, it is a huge disappointment.
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A lot of people are very pleased with the few roms we have, MonsterRom and SteelDroid being our heavy hitters at the moment, but we also have darkdroid and narcotics just hitting the scene. I've been running monster for a while now, and the way I describe it, is wicked fast. Comes with the stock android launcher, though I use Launcher Pro, which itself is much faster than motoblur. Give some of the roms a try, see if you like them
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I think this pretty much sums it up.
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Performance Anxiety
I had the verizon XV6700 with Windows 4.5 OS..or something. I spent a lot of money on that phone ... it was a painfully slow, quirky, dial-up speed browser. I used it for a month then gave up in anger/frustration and got an LG w/keyboard. I had to wait 2 years till the D1 came out, which did everything I expected from their advertised of the XV6700 to do and more. I bought the D3 a couple months ago. Did not activate, but waited for root. Rooted and debloated I ran a Quardrant score of 2411. Smartbench score of 3590. Thats 1037points below the Galaxy S2 1.5ghz. Thats also w/motoblur. Hopefully we'll be able to double the speeds like my OG D1 did from 550ghz to jdlfg 1266ghz (1100ghz daily driver). My i7 1.7ghz Alienware with ThrottleStop 3.0 OCs to about 3600ghz. I'm expecting the dual core phones to clock high w/minimum problems. I think I made the best choice, of course untill proven wrong. You may want to try V6 SuperCharger scripts from zeppelinrox. Follow instructions to the letter. It rocks!
...but don't forget, according to the OP, you have the XT860 (like me), not the D3. Very similar, but besides the root and recovery, there are no ROMs to speak of.
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The only phones that are currently out with the OMAP4 all have the 4430, exactly what we have. Clock for clock, the Exynos and OMAP4 outperform all the other chipsets, especially the Snapdragon, which uses two last gen Scorpion cores, instead of two Cortex A9 cores. When clocked at the same clock speed, the OMAP4 and Exynos perform almost identically, with the OMAP4 actually having a slight advantage.
And when you look at a phone like the Optimus 3D, with an 800x480 screen, the SGX 540 actually outperforms the Mali 400 in the GS2. Yes, the GS2 does better than us in GPU benchmarks, but you have to remember that the resolution is much lower-800x480 vs 960x540.
So don't sweat performance. You have what is arguably one of the best performing handsets at the moment, and if Moto ever unlocks the bootloader, custom kernels will really make it fly.
...And I don't suppose Moto would ever really be Motovated to unlocked the bootloader, would they? No gain in it for them I guess, huh? There's no way anyone can crack it due to the..? What? Firmware, encryption, whatever? Bummer.
But it's good to know we have awesome hardware at least. I didn't realize the OMAP platform had come so far since my original BlackJack II with its OMAP1 220MHz single-core procesor.
Well, as can be seen at the link below, our Droid3's outperform both the iPhone 4 and the HTC Thunderbolt when it comes to loading web pages, although the iPhone 4 scrolls smoother (probably due to its simplified, quicker UI). I don't know how it will stand up against the new dual-core iPhone 4S though... 0.o
DROID 3 vs HTC ThunderBolt vs Apple iPhone 4 web browsing comparison
The iphone 4s' dual core doesn't improve its performance very much at all, since none of the pther hardware changed.
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The only thing holding the D3 back imho is motorola and verizon(in my case) software.
Runs fast and smooth with steeldroid so far
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I keep hearing about Steel Droid; how difficult would it be to get it running effectively on an XT860? The XT860's hardware must be very similar to the XT862's (aside from the signal band/antenna hardware I'm guessing), correct?
Steel droid is really good, though I haven't tried it since the new version was released. But you would have to talk to chevy about porting it to the xt860. He might do it if you can get some people to donate
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Problem for porting to xt860 isn't donations, its the fact that right now there is no sbf, so if there's a problem with the flash, your SOL. It's the same reason there wasn't a whole lot of development for the droid 3 till we had a working SBF method.
Anyone else getting atrocious Benchmarks on this device?
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Anyone else getting atrocious Benchmarks on this device?.
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I've seen at least two side by side comparisons between the Vivid and the Galaxy Skyrocket; and the Vivid definitely plays second fiddle to it, too.
roms play a big role in scores. htc roms are some of the most graphical. try on a less graphical rom like samsung is using and it will prolly be pretty close imo
Probably doesn't help that we're underclocked to 1.2 GHz stock. Once we have root and can overclock back up to 1.5 GHz+ results should be more respectible.
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Do people actually care about benchmarks?
My opinion is that they mean basically nothing. Having a great benchmark doesn't always mean great results in everyday use.
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In every day usage yea doesn't really matter considering I played with the Samsung Skyrocket at the store and the UI Stuttered and this one runs quite smooth. Yea I can't wait for the custom kernels so we can actual get the Real Speed out of this CPU considering if I recall the Samsung is the same exact chip just clocked up to 1.5ghz so my guess is we should actually probably be able to get this phone slightly faster than 1.5ghz considering it is underclocked unless samsung out of the box OC'd the chip which would mean lot's of returns. Either way can't wait to see some optimized Sense and Custom kernels and see what this thing can really do. I also keep forgetting our pixel resolution is quite a bit better which most likely is effecting part of the scoring.
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In every day usage yea doesn't really matter considering I played with the Samsung Skyrocket at the store and the UI Stuttered and this one runs quite smooth. Yea I can't wait for the custom kernels so we can actual get the Real Speed out of this CPU considering if I recall the Samsung is the same exact chip just clocked up to 1.5ghz so my guess is we should actually probably be able to get this phone slightly faster than 1.5ghz considering it is underclocked unless samsung out of the box OC'd the chip which would mean lot's of returns. Either way can't wait to see some optimized Sense and Custom kernels and see what this thing can really do. I also keep forgetting our pixel resolution is quite a bit better which most likely is effecting part of the scoring.
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Why the hell would a manufacturer OC a chip? These chips are designed to run at 1.5 ever since qualcomm showed these chips, HTC decided to underclock these to 1.2ghz because of may be battery reasons.
This phone leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to smoothness, my dad has an evo 3d and for some reason that rom seems to run much smoother than this phone, it seems like this rom is lacking in that department. I am sure it is software given they are using exact same hardware. The phone is smooth but not as smooth as the evo 3d. I would root this thing in a heartbeat when root is available.
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This phone leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to smoothness, my dad has an evo 3d and for some reason that rom seems to run much smoother than this phone, it seems like this rom is lacking in that department. I am sure it is software given they are using exact same hardware. The phone is smooth but not as smooth as the evo 3d. I would root this thing in a heartbeat when root is available.
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I think you may have a bad unit... this phone is as smooth as any I have seen...
not a stutter to be found... AT ALL.
Benchmarks are for the most part useless. Proof attached from my old Captivate.
(Also, I forgot to screen cap it, but Nenamark 1 hit 63fps on this phone as well)
SOTP is all that matters.
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Benchmarks are for the most part useless. Proof attached from my old Captivate.
(Also, I forgot to screen cap it, but Nenamark 1 hit 63fps on this phone as well)
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The wonders of OC and optimization eh.
How does the device actually feel? Felt pretty smooth when I briefly played with it. I wish people would put less weight in benchmarks.
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It is quite smooth actually. I have never actually noticed any slow downs at all as opposed to other people. Plus we more than likely once it is rooted will get the cpu OC past the actual Stock speed the processor is supposed to be so that should make things that much smoother. Granted at the expense of battery life but still if you UC when the screen is off you shouldn't feel it too badly unless you are Constantly on the phone in which case you would probably want to UC it when the screen is on too.
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I think you may have a bad unit... this phone is as smooth as any I have seen...
not a stutter to be found... AT ALL.
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no I dont have a bad unit. I never said it stutters, I just said that the rom doesn't feel as clean as it should be. I don't have any stutters what so ever, I just hate the scroll lag sometimes.
Ive noticed i have a small fleck of dust (which i find very very irritating). Anyone else got similar? Its most likely a dust flake between the digitizer and the screen as it moves relative to the image underneath. Sure it wasnt there when i bought it.
I've had mine since November and there is no dust under my screen unlike my iPhone 3G that I cleaned only a couple of months ago!
In the daylight i can see its a very white fleck under the digitiser. Very disappointed with this tab so far, slow, buggy and badly built. Such a shame as i love my Galaxy S2.
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In the daylight i can see its a very white fleck under the digitiser. Very disappointed with this tab so far, slow, buggy and badly built. Such a shame as i love my Galaxy S2.
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Half the stuff i've seen you moan about I do not have any issue with at all.
I would suggest you stick to your phone or just go buy an ipad as nothing will keep you satisfied.
No doubt you would have lot's to moan about with them as well.
My brother has 2 ipads and I still prefer my Tab 8.9 over them.
I'm running stock with Go Launcher and no problems here from my side. It runs as I would expect it too and it is an addition to my phone and pc, not a replacement of either.
Hate to say it, but choccy31 is right. You make 8.9 appear a lot worse than it is. It's not slow or buggy, with the latest CM9 ICS it's smooth enough and without problems. It's not badly built, you having dust under the screen does not mean we all have it. If you don't like it, you can always sell it, why keep it when everything is wrong with it?
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Half the stuff i've seen you moan about I do not have any issue with at all.
I would suggest you stick to your phone or just go buy an ipad as nothing will keep you satisfied.
No doubt you would have lot's to moan about with them as well.
My brother has 2 ipads and I still prefer my Tab 8.9 over them.
I'm running stock with Go Launcher and no problems here from my side. It runs as I would expect it too and it is an addition to my phone and pc, not a replacement of either.
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I'm glad someone else agrees..
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Im sooo sorry i have upset you all, but the thing is rubbish. Its the worst Android device i have used by some way and ive used a lot. Im not the only one complaining about its speed it IS slow, fact there is no debate. Poor video that surprised me even knowing the Tegra limitations. Micro-stutter, lag, jerking. Maybe ill put up some comparison videos between the tab and the S2 and you will see what i mean. If it was cheap it wouldnt be so bad, but Sammy wanted £400 for this?? glad i didnt pay that.
I wont be getting an 'iPad' because its Apple and automatically fails, but i may well sell this on, swallow the loss and get something better. I should have gone with the Zoom, which is getting good support and is much smoother.
So go and sell it already. I dunno what Tab meets your requirements though, I guess the Transformer Prime is probably the closest you can get to the iPad in build and performance. Can't really think of any others that perform particularly better than this one, or that I can guarantee won't get dust (oh sh-------ttttt!!!!) under the screen.
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Credibility = gone.
Why credibility gone? I hate the look of iOS which i think is very dull and I find Apple a horrible company. I buy Samsung to support free trade and as a protest to the way apple thinks it can limit choice by suing everyone over idiotic patents it should never have been granted.
The TF prime is better, but its not about raw power, its about optimization. There is no reason this tab needs to be so slow when the xoom isnt or even the Advent Vega!
Im going to wait for a real ICS ROM and see, by that time i may have got over the dust disappointment, but if it doesnt speed up its going.
You seem to think im asking to much for a tab to be able to actually function without stuttering, well i dont think i am. Im used to the slight Android stutter, but this is WAY beyond that. If i drag my finger slowly from screen to screen its smooth until it gets to about 40% of the way across, at which point it starts to stutter, however slowly i swipe. My S2 doesnt do that, even my Desire didnt, even my friends Wildfire doesnt and that has a 600mhz single core CPU.
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Why credibility gone? I hate the look of iOS which i think is very dull and I find Apple a horrible company. I buy Samsung to support free trade and as a protest to the way apple thinks it can limit choice by suing everyone over idiotic patents it should never have been granted.
The TF prime is better, but its not about raw power, its about optimization. There is no reason this tab needs to be so slow when the xoom isnt or even the Advent Vega!
Im going to wait for a real ICS ROM and see, by that time i may have got over the dust disappointment, but if it doesnt speed up its going.
You seem to think im asking to much for a tab to be able to actually function without stuttering, well i dont think i am. Im used to the slight Android stutter, but this is WAY beyond that. If i drag my finger slowly from screen to screen its smooth until it gets to about 40% of the way across, at which point it starts to stutter, however slowly i swipe. My S2 doesnt do that, even my Desire didnt, even my friends Wildfire doesnt and that has a 600mhz single core CPU.
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Your Desire didn't? Hmm....as for being markedly worse than the Xoom with TW removed to make the OS more equivalent the performance is the same.
In any case it's hardly fair to compare the 8.9 to the S2 when the latter runs at a lower sub-HD resolution and isn't capable of displaying multiple large widgets. The 8.9 is quite up to HD video play back but then how is that worse than the S2?
I don't think anyone is saying that it's too much to ask for it to function without stuttering but it seems most, including myself, do not see the level of problems you appear to see. The example you give of stuttering at 40% swipe, I really don't see my home screens pause for fractions of a second as I swipe between them; it continues to move smoothly all the way in line with my finger movement.
Its smooth without widgets, but not with them. The more i use, the slower it gets. My S2 is running 6 full screen scrollable widgets, its has no slow down whatsoever. Sure WVGA makes life easier, but the Galaxy note is also smooth with ICS, that is HD and has the same CPU (in most markets). Tablet widgets are no bigger than phone ones., and even if they were the Tab struggles with the same ones my S2 has no issues with, even if they are smaller!
Ive given up using widgets now and it makes the device much nicer to use, but it seems like a waste of the larger screen.
For what its worth i have no issues with gaming.
The Note and S2 will both decode full rate 1080P blu-ray files, the tegra struggles with heavily reduced rate 720P. I have a copy of 'Drive' in 720P on my Laptop, S2 and Tab, the tab stutters and pauses, the others are smooth as silk.
You seem to be forgetting that the CPU and GPU in SGS 2 are more powerful than the Tegra 2 solution. Include also that more powerful device is running on a lower resolution screen, add the a lot more optimized ICS version for SGS 2, and you can clearly see the end result.
Is 8.9 perfectly smooth at this point? No, maybe it will never be, even with official ICS. I doubt we will see the improvement with buggy TouchWiz slapped on it, but at least devs will get some good stuff from it, like camera drivers and kernel. You can just hope for the best, or sell the tablet and purchase another more powerful model, something with Tegra 3 perhaps. We all know what's wrong with this model, we don't need someone to point it out.
High profile 720p and 1080p are just not doable on Tegra 2 solutions, it was like that from the start, there is nothing we can do to make it play nice without stuttering. I do get a decent framerate with DicePlayer on 1.4 GHz with some 720p movies, but not for long, on certain scenes it just becomes choppy. It's choppiest when you start the movie, but if you leave that tablet like that, and not swipe around, it gets better and better, only to be choppy again when more demanding scene comes up.
It is a shame, great screen going to waste, but if i sell it now, i don't know what tablet i would get to replace it. Transformer Prime is not cheap, i would need to add more money to get it, but i just love the form factor on this one. It's a difficult decision, and when the Tegra 3 tablets get their prices slashed, this thing will be even harder to sell.
Im not forgetting anything. My point is that if Tegra is so bad, it should never have been used in a top end device. I only paid £279 for mine, but if i paid the full £399 launch price i would be very upset.
The TF Prime still uses Tegra, the '3' isnt much better, as far as i can see its still broken, they are just throwing more broken cores at the problem in an attempt to fix it.
Its acceptable for now, but i still dont see why it should stutter with hardware acceleration enabled.
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Its smooth without widgets, but not with them. The more i use, the slower it gets. My S2 is running 6 full screen scrollable widgets, its has no slow down whatsoever. Sure WVGA makes life easier, but the Galaxy note is also smooth with ICS, that is HD and has the same CPU (in most markets). Tablet widgets are no bigger than phone ones., and even if they were the Tab struggles with the same ones my S2 has no issues with, even if they are smaller!
Ive given up using widgets now and it makes the device much nicer to use, but it seems like a waste of the larger screen.
For what its worth i have no issues with gaming.
The Note and S2 will both decode full rate 1080P blu-ray files, the tegra struggles with heavily reduced rate 720P. I have a copy of 'Drive' in 720P on my Laptop, S2 and Tab, the tab stutters and pauses, the others are smooth as silk.
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Widgets are the same size? 1 full screen widget on the 8.9 carries over twice as much information as 1 full screen widget on the S2.
How does Dual-core 1.4 GHz ARM Cortex-A9 in the Note equate to Dual-core 1GHz Cortex-A9 in the 8.9?
As for decoding, I would say that the almost double resolution on the 8.9 vs the S2 is a factor aside from CPU difference.
You say the Note is fine and is that from your own experience?
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Why credibility gone? I hate the look of iOS which i think is very dull and I find Apple a horrible company. I buy Samsung to support free trade and as a protest to the way apple thinks it can limit choice by suing everyone over idiotic patents it should never have been granted.
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Because it means you aren't judging something objectively... Samsung have been attempting these crazy law suits too, and they did get their name in the smartphone/tablet market by being as close to Apple as possible... TouchWiz for Android 2 is basically Android hacked to look and act more like iOS and the phones up until S2 were all designed to look like iPhone alternatives (look how the Galaxy S is the iPhone 3GS and then the Galaxy Ace is the iPhone 4...), and the people who design the devices and the legal departments are completely unrelated, it's not like each company is some dude who makes every decision.
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I had an Advent Vega... Doesn't even begin to compare to this thing... Was fun for modding but to actually use it was a POS... I mean come on, if you're into modding you can put an unfinished homebrew HoneyComb/ICS on it which doesn't support the camera (lol, the nasty VGA thing) or if not you can run the ridiculous stock ROM with inch-thick navigation bar... The accelerometer doesn't even work right. I think I can put up with choppy homescreen transitions...
You seem to think im asking to much for a tab to be able to actually function without stuttering, well i dont think i am.
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Not at all, we just can't understand why you don't rid yourself of it and get something else if it makes you so mad. We want you to be happy with whatever device you get but at the same time we don't want to be shouted about at how crappy stuff that we like supposedly is.
Im used to the slight Android stutter, but this is WAY beyond that. If i drag my finger slowly from screen to screen its smooth until it gets to about 40% of the way across, at which point it starts to stutter, however slowly i swipe.
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Ah yes, I know what you mean. The homescreens move with my finger but they do lose framerate. Never been important to me as homescreens are, erm, they're just to get you into the apps, and you only swipe between them when you want to see your other widgets/icons, it's not like a frequent thing. I find it stutters a LOT worse when using some live wallpapers, make sure you don't use one of them. A lot of the Honeycomb devices I've used do this though. There aren't many I've seen to run the homescreens smoothly without modding. I mean, for me, it's one of the best Android tablets I've used, the form factor, performance (for the size & weight), screen, etc. all come together really nicely. It's only the homescreen that doesn't seem smooth for me...
Have you tried overclocking? I've heard that can fix the issue. I read somewhere that the homescreens don't use hardware acceleration on this tab.
It's HoneyComb's silly 3D screens thing, the way swiping between them has that unnecessary 3D effect, I mean seriously, what is the practical use of that, it uses way more resources and also affects the intuitiveness of using a touch screen (when you keep things "flat", it creates the feeling of sliding something under your fingers, when the 3D comes in it separates it and feels more like minority report 'gestures'), it seems to be pointless showing off and causes a lot of the stuttering on Android tabs.
Also, have you considered giving the Galaxy Tab 10.1 a try? I've read that it runs better and is more compatible. For me no tabs compare to the Samsung ones in design, weight, etc., the performance isn't perfect but it's the kind of sacrifice you make to get something impossibly thin and light.
My S2 doesnt do that, even my Desire didnt, even my friends Wildfire doesnt and that has a 600mhz single core CPU.
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Yeah but these are all Android 2 devices which run at 800x480...
I never claimed to be objective, i despise Apple, and im very happy to say why. The galaxys look like an evolution of older Sammy phones and the Tabs look like large versions of them. They didnt copy Apple, call it 'convergent evolution' if you must. Apple are being patent trolls, they started it, the others need to finish it.
I love the look of the 8.9, its lovely, i just want the excessive stutter gone. homescreens are important to Android, its not just about the apps.
I know the Vega is rubbish, but it still manages to be smoother than the Tab.. Thats really sad.
Lower res phones should be smoother yes, but the Galaxy Note is smoother as well, that has the same res. The Xoom is smoother, in fact the 8.9 is the worst T2 powered tab ive used. What i want is ICS with Apex launcher than is smooth and jitter free. A pause or 2 i can handle, but not the gritty jerky laggy mess it currently is. It makes it feel so cheap and low end.
As for the dust, i used a statically charged plastic rod, and managed to make the fleck 'jump' off screen, behind the bezel i guess. It may return but its gone or now.
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I never claimed to be objective, i despise Apple, and im very happy to say why. The galaxys look like an evolution of older Sammy phones and the Tabs look like large versions of them. They didnt copy Apple, call it 'convergent evolution' if you must. Apple are being patent trolls, they started it, the others need to finish it.
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Well, it's not even worth getting into here, but it's still just a company, no need to take it personally, they all do these same things and our tablets wouldn't exist if iPad didn't, and wouldn't be half as great if they weren't competing with it.
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But why? What can you actually do on a homescreen?
I know the Vega is rubbish, but it still manages to be smoother than the Tab.. Thats really sad.
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Well, only if you mod the crap out of it, and I'm sure you can mod this tab to run better if you overclock it and use the right ROMs and stuff...
Lower res phones should be smoother yes, but the Galaxy Note is smoother as well, that has the same res.
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And it's running Gingerbread.
The Xoom is smoother
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And bigger, and heavier.
As for the dust, i used a statically charged plastic rod, and managed to make the fleck 'jump' off screen, behind the bezel i guess. It may return but its gone or now.
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Good idea! If it comes back you can just do it again. Great thinking though.
Android has widgets, iOS doesnt. iOS's interface is just a basic list of apps. Android has so much more, yes widgets are apps in a sense i suppose, but they are interactive. If their performance is very poor it ruins the experience. Most apps perform ok in themselves, but the homescreen is the face of the device and it must be smooth.
Yes the Vega must be modded to be smooth, but i standby what i said. A Stock Vega is better than a stock 8.9, and ive done everything i can to make this smooth (ROMs, kernels, overclocks, tweaks), its still slower than a modded Vega.
The Note has ICS now and it destroys the 8.9 with ICS builds. The 8.9 feels like a 500mhz single core unit next to a Note. The Note running GB previously doesnt explain why its faster, it should mean its slower!
The Xoom might be heavier but it has no 'performance enhancing' extras that the 8.9 doesnt have, in fact the 8.9 has faster RAM, or at least a better implemented memory subsystem. Its still manages to be slower.
I simply dont accept the answer 'Blame Honeycomb'. If ICS fixes the issues then i believe Samsung must have changed something else, some limitation or previous decision that was hindering the unit.
Tegra2 for whatever reason is a horrible CPU. I've used a few omap4 tablets and they just seem way smoother than tegra2. I mean a tegra 3 is finally smooth but nvidias cpus seem to be "on paper" good but real world bad each generation. Seem like they come out first with a spec set but poorly implemented once competitors are out. I mean the snapdragon s4 quad will probably destroy tegra 3
The S4 duals beat the T3!
I knew Tegra was old and slow, but i did think that maybe Samsung would have made the best of the bad CPU, it seems they have made the worst of it.
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I love my Incredible S. But damn you Google, that offer is unbeatable.
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Original post here: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/10/nexus-best-of-google-now-in-three-sizes.html
I love my Incredible S. But damn you Google, that offer is unbeatable.
@Mod: if it is not allow to post here, then I am sorry. Plz delete this thread. I don't mean to spam the forum.
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AWESOME! Gf is getting me the Nexus 10 for Xmas, and I'll buy myself a Nexus 4 around the same time! 2560x1600 10" display, here I come! :highfive:
Never thought that the price would be so unbeatable! Maaan, why did I buy a Galaxy Nexus?
Oh for the love of god! What is with the lack of expandable storage in Nexus devices? I mean, this looks like the perfect device for me, but that lack of an SD Card is a real killer. 16 gig maximum storage, and no option to upgrade? What is this, an iPhone?
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Oh for the love of god! What is with the lack of expandable storage in Nexus devices? I mean, this looks like the perfect device for me, but that lack of an SD Card is a real killer. 16 gig maximum storage, and no option to upgrade? What is this, an iPhone?
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Yeah, I know. My 32GB SD card has only 10GB free.
I only ever use around 6gb I clean up my stuff a lot.
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AWESOME! Gf is getting me the Nexus 10 for Xmas, and I'll buy myself a Nexus 4 around the same time! 2560x1600 10" display, here I come! :highfive:
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No offence but having a Nexus 7 now, I think it would be a bit boring to have two AOSP devices. Especially coming from sense I used to have AOSP before my N7, but now I only use sense on my IncS
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I only ever use around 6gb I clean up my stuff a lot.
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Same here, I used an 8GB for about half a year before upgrading to 16GB. Never had a problem with space, I just delete apps I don't use and clean out junk folders. I also backup important stuff on my SD card, and then format it every couple of months to keep it clean.
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No offence but having a Nexus 7 now, I think it would be a bit boring to have two AOSP devices. Especially coming from sense I used to have AOSP before my N7, but now I only use sense on my IncS
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While you do have a good point, I've never liked Sense or other skins anyways. Given the choice, I'd always choose an AOSP ROM over a Sense ROM. Pretty much the only reason I'm using a Sense ROM is because it's stable. Sense ROM's are fun to play around with for something new, but I quickly get bored of the limited options available in Rosie and uninstall it and replace it with Apex Launcher. Even tweaked Sense bores me, plus Sense is pretty heavy and I always feel like AOSP is noticeably smoother.
Plus, with a Nexus, I wouldn't have to put up with half-assed, hacked together AOSP ROM's. No offense to any devs! It's just stupid that some things related to a device (drivers, company proprietary libs etc) are never available and have to be hacked to work. I hate that, it's very annoying. With a Nexus, I don't have to worry about that. (I think?...)
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Same here, I used an 8GB for about half a year before upgrading to 16GB. Never had a problem with space, I just delete apps I don't use and clean out junk folders. I also backup important stuff on my SD card, and then format it every couple of months to keep it clean.
While you do have a good point, I've never liked Sense or other skins anyways. Given the choice, I'd always choose an AOSP ROM over a Sense ROM. Pretty much the only reason I'm using a Sense ROM is because it's stable. Sense ROM's are fun to play around with for something new, but I quickly get bored of the limited options available in Rosie and uninstall it and replace it with Apex Launcher. Even tweaked Sense bores me, plus Sense is pretty heavy and I always feel like AOSP is noticeably smoother.
Plus, with a Nexus, I wouldn't have to put up with half-assed, hacked together AOSP ROM's. No offense to any devs! It's just stupid that some things related to a device (drivers, company proprietary libs etc) are never available and have to be hacked to work. I hate that, it's very annoying. With a Nexus, I don't have to worry about that. (I think?...)
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I have a 16gb N7 and 16gb card in my phone, they get filled with backups of roms lol
I use dropbox and I have a USB OTG cable for all the haevy stuff like movies
I completely agree with your statement on AOSP roms and their stability. While some roms are quite good and fast, none can match a proper AOSP device, like a nexus. None. My N7 is super fast and I underclock it to 1.15GHz to save battery
This is the reason I might be going Sony next: their roms are quite AOSP-like and their source is similar to AOSP, no big changes like Samsung and HTC
Most AOSP and other JB roms for other devices (I mean custom roms) do not have proper project butter working, eg. CM10 on the exynos devices because there is no proper source for drivers and stuff. Although this might change with the Nexus 10
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I have a 16gb N7 and 16gb card in my phone, they get filled with backups of roms lol
I use dropbox and I have a USB OTG cable for all the haevy stuff like movies
I completely agree with your statement on AOSP roms and their stability. While some roms are quite good and fast, none can match a proper AOSP device, like a nexus. None. My N7 is super fast and I underclock it to 1.15GHz to save battery
This is the reason I might be going Sony next: their roms are quite AOSP-like and their source is similar to AOSP, no big changes like Samsung and HTC
Most AOSP and other JB roms for other devices (I mean custom roms) do not have proper project butter working, eg. CM10 on the exynos devices because there is no proper source for drivers and stuff. Although this might change with the Nexus 10
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I used to have a crapload of backups as well, but I realized it would be more efficient to simply keep one backup of my favorite ROM at the time. I try to keep that one backup as current as possible. I gotta get an external HDD to store my music and movies as well
Yes we did have some great devs working on AOSP for our device, and they did a damn great job IMO. It's just the company that limits how good AOSP ROM's are due to not releasing sources for certain components, forcing the community to resort to hacks and other trickery to get it working properly. Damn it must be nice to be able to actually underclock without creating a laggy device. I feel like it's absolutely necessary to OC the Inc S to 1.3 GHz on AOSP, and 1.4-5GHz on Sense, in order to get a decent experience. Not that big of a deal, seeing as there were quite a few phones released with the same SoC as ours, but ran at 1.4GHz stock so the SoC can obviously handle the OC, luckily.
I'm strongly considering Sony as well, if they release a device by Xmas that has at least an S4 Pro SoC, preferably a true Cortex A-15 based SoC. They seem to be one of few companies that really do open up their phones completely for the community, and that's pretty much the #1 most important decision that will decide what phone I get.
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I used to have a crapload of backups as well, but I realized it would be more efficient to simply keep one backup of my favorite ROM at the time. I try to keep that one backup as current as possible. I gotta get an external HDD to store my music and movies as well
Yes we did have some great devs working on AOSP for our device, and they did a damn great job IMO. It's just the company that limits how good AOSP ROM's are due to not releasing sources for certain components, forcing the community to resort to hacks and other trickery to get it working properly. Damn it must be nice to be able to actually underclock without creating a laggy device. I feel like it's absolutely necessary to OC the Inc S to 1.3 GHz on AOSP, and 1.4-5GHz on Sense, in order to get a decent experience. Not that big of a deal, seeing as there were quite a few phones released with the same SoC as ours, but ran at 1.4GHz stock so the SoC can obviously handle the OC, luckily.
I'm strongly considering Sony as well, if they release a device by Xmas that has at least an S4 Pro SoC, preferably a true Cortex A-15 based SoC. They seem to be one of few companies that really do open up their phones completely for the community, and that's pretty much the #1 most important decision that will decide what phone I get.
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Wow I keep mine at 1024MHz all the time. I overclock it to 1.4 sometimes when I play heavy games but that is it. I don't think my N7 has ever seen past 1.4GHz, when I was testing one of faux123's kernels
I think Sony might wait until MWC next year in Jan or whenever it is, because they just released new phones. But I don't need top performance on my phone anymore, I use it for calling, texting, xda-ing and a bit of internet. I play games and do more processor-intensive things on my Nexus 7
Did you guys see this video? It makes me want to buy one next
http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/29/google-nexus-4-hands-on/
I like the look of it, and the hardware. And of course the charger *drools*
I hope they'll release a 32gb model :/
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Ihad considered this but in England LG does not have the best reputation so I tend to stay away. Also, the HOX+ is meant to have one of the better cameras around and I don't know how is feel if the N4 cam isn't as good. I've also became a fan of sense .....
However, I am deffo getting the N10 device. I'll probs get it after Xmas when the initial rush has gone. Then I can read my magazines, books and general browsing easyier than on a phone.
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I worry that these Nexus devices may start a president with regards to lack of removable storage. I understand Google's thinking behind using the Cloud as a portable storage medium, but my 500mb a month contract means downloading/streaming anything over data is pretty much out of the question. And living in the sticks means my data connection is flaky most of the time anyway. Until the price of truly 'unlimited' data plans drops considerably, and until coverage becomes better for non-built up areas, cloud storage is pointless for me.
I also notice there's no support for LTE on this device, but given the price that's hardly an issue.
Think I'll be waiting for the 32gb model to.
For me 16GB is totally enough. I had 8GB for a year and it was a bit too less but now I have 16GB on my GNex and I never get it even close to full So no Cloud stuff for me
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For me 16GB is totally enough. I had 8GB for a year and it was a bit too less but now I have 16GB on my GNex and I never get it even close to full So no Cloud stuff for me
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Well for me, I like to download videos like anime and comedy sketches, I guess that's why I need lots of space. And maybe because I have The Dark Knight Rises, Order & Chaos Online in my phone :/
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Wow I keep mine at 1024MHz all the time. I overclock it to 1.4 sometimes when I play heavy games but that is it. I don't think my N7 has ever seen past 1.4GHz, when I was testing one of faux123's kernels
I think Sony might wait until MWC next year in Jan or whenever it is, because they just released new phones. But I don't need top performance on my phone anymore, I use it for calling, texting, xda-ing and a bit of internet. I play games and do more processor-intensive things on my Nexus 7
Did you guys see this video? It makes me want to buy one next
http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/29/google-nexus-4-hands-on/
I like the look of it, and the hardware. And of course the charger *drools*
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I hate it when there's noticeable lag, and I've always been picky about the performance of all my technological devices lol. I'm actually running my CPU at 1.5GHz right now on smartassv2. I still get good battery life despite the big OC, and I haven't noticed any instability at all. Also helps that I UV'ed 50mv I've always preferred performance over battery life. I'd rather have a snappy device that dies an hour quicker, than a slightly laggy device that lasts longer.
Yea, that's what I was thinking. Unfortunate. But I really want that Nexus 4, especially at that price! I'll be honest, I love google right now. They're pushing the boundaries(in a good way) on pricing for top end devices, and I f**king love it!
Dat S4 Pro Quad....WANT
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I hate it when there's noticeable lag, and I've always been picky about the performance of all my technological devices lol. I'm actually running my CPU at 1.5GHz right now on smartassv2. I still get good battery life despite the big OC, and I haven't noticed any instability at all. Also helps that I UV'ed 50mv I've always preferred performance over battery life. I'd rather have a snappy device that dies an hour quicker, than a slightly laggy device that lasts longer.
Yea, that's what I was thinking. Unfortunate. But I really want that Nexus 4, especially at that price! I'll be honest, I love google right now. They're pushing the boundaries(in a good way) on pricing for top end devices, and I f**king love it!
Dat S4 Pro Quad....WANT
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I hardly have any lag with my settings now
Mine can't handle any UV at 1.4GHz I noticed that while playing shadowgun, it kept freezing and not responding to anything but a battery pull
The only other thing that might keep me away is no 4G Hopefully the camera is a beast
Yeah the S4 quad looks really good. I can get the same performance with my N7 running at those speeds, but no way near the efficiency. I am also interested in the audio chip, because the S4 one is supposed to be really good, compared to the Tegra 3 one.
l0st.prophet has been very active in the N4 forums, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of us end up there. There is already an ex-desire S user off topic thread lol
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I hardly have any lag with my settings now
Mine can't handle any UV at 1.4GHz I noticed that while playing shadowgun, it kept freezing and not responding to anything but a battery pull
The only other thing that might keep me away is no 4G Hopefully the camera is a beast
Yeah the S4 quad looks really good. I can get the same performance with my N7 running at those speeds, but no way near the efficiency. I am also interested in the audio chip, because the S4 one is supposed to be really good, compared to the Tegra 3 one.
l0st.prophet has been very active in the N4 forums, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of us end up there. There is already an ex-desire S user off topic thread lol
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I still notice lag even at 1.5GHz sometimes. Annoying. Hmm that's strange, even at 1.5GHz I don't have any instabilities with UV. I really want to upgrade, to me the Inc S is showing its age internally. Especially in RAM, 2GB of RAM will be heaven. Still in love with the gorgeous color saturation in the screen though!
Meh, 4G isn't to big a deal for me. I have it available in Whitehorse, but HSPA+ is good enough for when I don't have wifi. I just can't resist the price, and I'm thinking about going on pay-as-you-go instead of the ass-rapingly expensive contracts. I practically never call anyone (who does these days?) so I only need data.
The S4 Pro's GPU especially looks very promising. Much better than the Mali 400 in the Exynos 4 series, according to early reports. Plus it's as close as I'll get to a Cortex A15 cpu That's great news, I was hoping the N4 would have a decent audio chip.
Hehe, let's all conspire to take over the N4 forums. All Inc S user's at once abandon this device, and move full force into the N4 forums! :silly::victory: Seriously though, the more people that come from this great community to the N4 forums, the better. :good:
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I still notice lag even at 1.5GHz sometimes. Annoying. Hmm that's strange, even at 1.5GHz I don't have any instabilities with UV. I really want to upgrade, to me the Inc S is showing its age internally. Especially in RAM, 2GB of RAM will be heaven. Still in love with the gorgeous color saturation in the screen though!
Meh, 4G isn't to big a deal for me. I have it available in Whitehorse, but HSPA+ is good enough for when I don't have wifi. I just can't resist the price, and I'm thinking about going on pay-as-you-go instead of the ass-rapingly expensive contracts. I practically never call anyone (who does these days?) so I only need data.
The S4 Pro's GPU especially looks very promising. Much better than the Mali 400 in the Exynos 4 series, according to early reports. Plus it's as close as I'll get to a Cortex A15 cpu That's great news, I was hoping the N4 would have a decent audio chip.
Hehe, let's all conspire to take over the N4 forums. All Inc S user's at once abandon this device, and move full force into the N4 forums! :silly::victory: Seriously though, the more people that come from this great community to the N4 forums, the better. :good:
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That's not fair Oh well, you use 1.5 more than I do I think its processor is showing its age. Some things I am used to using my N7 for, and the IncS is THAT much slower at doing things. But on Venom, everything is super smooth Same with your rom actually, although I used the ultra smooth rosie (I am too on Venom)
I am thinking about getting off a contract too, and buying the phone outright. But, when you add both up it would probably be cheaper still to go on a plan here, for maybe $50 a month or whatever they will give the N4 away free on
Yes, the GPU is a monster, apparently it smashes the Tegra 3 which has a massive GPU, super powered. The Tegra 3 is soo powerful, even at the underclocked speeds I have it at now, I can't actually imagine what you could do with more power at this time.
Don't abandon this device because I am staying here until May next year!