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the touchpro 2 manila right softkey menu, and i guess all menus in any program are replaced with a finger friendly menu by HTC, this can be seen in Energy Rom 2.0 BETA, i was wondering if this part of the Manila can be extracted and made into a standalone cab to add finger friendly menus to our already existing Touch Pro 1 Manila
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the touchpro 2 manila right softkey menu, and i guess all menus in any program are replaced with a finger friendly menu by HTC, this can be seen in Energy Rom 2.0 BETA, i was wondering if this part of the Manila can be extracted and made into a standalone cab to add finger friendly menus to our already existing Touch Pro 1 Manila
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I think there's a app called FingerMenu(or something similiar) that looks the same. Search in development and hacking forum of xda.
Thanks
Thanks showaco FingerMenu is exactly what i needed
search for HT Rhodium Menu Enchancement ... you need to be running a ROM newer than than 21000 though.
There is a new WM6.5 build 23022 with new UI
Check this out!!!
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=6625
More Screen shots
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=6672
Video
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=6713
nice that they are making changes to it. hope its not just another skin modification or something
Hi
Aleluya,
it is your time to put the Ok button
down, it's easier .....
Thank you for the info!
I don't like this new UI,top and bot bars are increased and for Manila this is not a good things,HTC Task Manager icon is covered from the clock,MS moved left softkey to the middle and this way home screen became ugly...
I try this 23022 on my HD but i moved back to 23017 in 5 minutes...I hope MS will complete the new UI with a better look,IMHO,now,this is not the right way.
Which ROM base on Build 23022? i want to try
texture said:
I don't like this new UI,top and bot bars are increased and for Manila this is not a good things,HTC Task Manager icon is covered from the clock,MS moved left softkey to the middle and this way home screen became ugly...
I try this 23022 on my HD but i moved back to 23017 in 5 minutes...I hope MS will complete the new UI with a better look,IMHO,now,this is not the right way.
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I can agree with you that it is not the prettiest of changes, however the fact that they are changing the UI proves that they have finally realized that the UI looks crap
Go here...at the end of the first post, there are 2 TEST versions
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=493911
Thanks for the ROM Miri
Is this build not stable yet? Why is it Test version?
Because of the graphic glitches. If you have time test it and you will see what's going to come
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Thanks for the ROM Miri
Is this build not stable yet? Why is it Test version?
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That looks nice OK button was always a big problem for me it's to small and it's too damn far away from the thumbs when you operate with one hand.It's not maybe the best solution but definetly an improvement I don't want to try it cause it's too early version but what happens to the task button? I see that the clock is there so it's removed ?
hey miri is it gonna be a non-manila v or we wait 4 a stable build coz this one seems nice alot visual changes
Nope, 23022 is not ready for daily usage, we have to wait a little more
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hey miri is it gonna be a non-manila v or we wait 4 a stable build coz this one seems nice alot visual changes
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23022 and Manilla 2.5
Miri - I am big user of your Manilla 2.5 ROMs. Please share when you think you will drop a 23022 build combined with Manilla 2.5. Keep up the good work!
Now the important problem is manila 2.5 is not stable! not the WM6.5 if you dont use manila, you can enjoy the new version of WM.
But I think microsoft is not creative. HTC had made the WM more easy-operative and better apparence.
So, it is not microsoft but HTC which should optimize their work.
i really hate Window 6.5 UI. Just look and see at the home screen the top and bottom bar are transparent but when u go into setting or sms for example they turn into black. It's really baadddddddddddd . That's the reason why i choose to stay with 6.1 rom until now
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i really hate Window 6.5 UI. Just look and see at the home screen the top and bottom bar are transparent but when u go into setting or sms for example they turn into black. It's really baadddddddddddd . That's the reason why i choose to stay with 6.1 rom until now
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Absolutely right
I really like the new WM6.5 UI. It is a definite improvement from WM6.1, despite the fact that I don't really like a 100% Touch interface. I like using my stylus too but this is in WM6.5 not an issue.
What I don't like is Manila. How can I disable it completely? I am not talking about Touch Flo but about Manila. I want to have the original WM6.5 experience...
There are soime rom called super light here where u can get only 6.5 experience without manila. But as i talked above u should stay with 6.1 because u will get dissappointed with 6.5 right after u use it
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I really like the new WM6.5 UI. It is a definite improvement from WM6.1, despite the fact that I don't really like a 100% Touch interface. I like using my stylus too but this is in WM6.5 not an issue.
What I don't like is Manila. How can I disable it completely? I am not talking about Touch Flo but about Manila. I want to have the original WM6.5 experience...
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if yo want to disable manila goto settings->today->items and uncheck "TouchFlo 3D"
if you want to get the original wm6.5 experience you have to enable titanium which is microsofts new "desktop". you can enable it under settings->today->items and tick "Windows default".
This is the merge of MD (maldives) and Com3.
There are definitely many issues with the number of changes made and many of the new UI updates have no real skinned assets.
However, there are some fixes in 23022 and the native 480x800 resources help (the themes included also have reg settings which need to be applied).
X button replacements like HTC TaskManager have some issues, as do the Notification managers and enlarge start menu services.
MS is in the progress of transitioning the notification UI to the confetti plus engine (the HW accelerated, XML/CPR driven engine that runs the start menu)
Knowing Miri, he will likely have a stable build up by the end of the weekend.
I am running WM 6.5, build 23008 on custom rom. It's great, but there is one big problem. I don't get the WM 6.5 style finger friendly popup menus anymore. I am getting the old classic style plain and small 6.1 menus. Is there a way to change this? I assume it's in a registry setting, but when I made a change to the registry, the old style menu just got bigger.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
your probably using a theme that's not for wm6.5!
go to settings>today
and choose a wm6.5 theme! a nice black one is pureblack2 << search it
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your probably using a theme that's not for wm6.5!
go to settings>today
and choose a wm6.5 theme! a nice black one is pureblack2 << search it
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Thanks a lot, dude. It worked like a charm.
For those like me that could be confused about the latest builds when searching for a new ROM, I’d like to share what I found after a long search.
There are several different branches of development. Higher number doesn't mean a newer version.
6.5 Builds:
These builds have the 'Start' and 'Ok' buttons on top.
a) 219xx = COM2, WM 6.5.0
The latest build is the 21916.
These builds don't include finger friendly buttons, but it's the most stable, less memory demanding, fast and the one which is giving no problems with WM6.1 software. All programs I works perfect (activesync, Tomtom, games, etc.) including those for older WM versions.
The development of the WM 6.5 is finished.
6.5.x builds:
These builds have big Start and Ok buttons at the bottom of screen, and much more finger friendly.
Main programs works work ok but some old programs have position problems.
b) 230xx = COM3, WM 6.5.3
The latest build I found is the 23153.
This is branch used by the 'official' 6.5.3 devices.
These builds include finger friendly buttons, start button at the bottom and eye candy appearance.
I'm using (cooking) these builds for everyday use and they are stable and showing very good performance.
Last build was just released by DFT.
c) 290xx,
New branch.
The latest build I found is the 29022
It has good Ram management, it's stable and quite fast.
IE has flash support.
I've been using this branch for a few weeks with good results.
This branch is the only one active recently.
d) 216xx
The latest build I found was 21690
HTC branch development.
Good Ram management, stable and very snappy.
e) 236xx
The latest build I found is the 23699.
It seems to be very fast and stable.
f) 282xx
Latest build found was 28245
Apparently the latest builds are very stable and faster than other 6.5.x builds.
g) 24xxx
Latest build found is the 24635.
Seems to be fast, stable & visually appealing. Battery consumption seems very good as well.
Possible HTC branch
h) 235xx = COM5 [Discontinued]
The latest ROM I found is the 23569.
This is a development branch, finger friendly with new Outlook Interface and threaded email. It's not as stable as the COM2/3 builds.
The development on this branch seems to be finished.
i) other branches 6.5.x:
I found the 22047, 25028
Manila 2.5 builds (HTC Sense):
The latest one found is the build 2.5.2021 with manila home 2022.
Sense 2.5 is really great, even if it consume a lot of resuorces from your phone.
When selecting a ROM you will find:
- LEO Manila 2.5: It include all tabs (ereader, docs, footprints), but it's very slow on the blackstone.
- Rodhium Manila 2.5: this one is optimized for our old (slow) processor, it works on landscape mode, but it does not include eReader, docs and Footrint tab and some of the animations have been removed (music and pictures tabs on landscape). (note: you will find some hybrid versions based on the Rodhium manila with the missing tabs added. E.G: NRGZ28)
For the differences between Manila 2.1 and 2.5 check this post.
Manila 2.1 builds (HTC Sense):
The latest one found is the build 2.1.38411.0
Not as nice as the 2.5, but it's much faster and uses less memory.
HTC Packages:
From LEO: 3.14 (From TMUS HD2 including Manila 2.5.2018) .
From Rhodium: 2.10 (From ATT Tilt 2 including Manila 2.5.2013) .
From Oboe (Com3): 1.18 including Manila 2021
From Huasan (com3): 1.27
Pls feel free to comment about your experiencies on the different branches, and we will update the post.
Also I had a few questions/answers:
a) Does anyone know which is the WM6.5 build that is included on the devices which appear on the 6-oct? and which is the one found in the latest LEO?
Reply post #8: in Austria Samsung OMNIA II with WM 6.5 build 21856.5.0.65
b) Seen a lot of discussion about ‘page pool’. Is it something that normal users have to know, or is it just for cookers?
Reply post #8: Yes, you can improve the speed of the rom you're about to flash, but it will reduce the program memory
c) Why Manila (HTC TouchFlo/ Sense) can not be found as a Cab?
There are some developers which have created some instalable CABs, but as a general rule if you want to update your manila you need to flash a new ROM with the Manila version you want.
Rgds
Thanks
Thanks for the info!
Thanks for info. Also looking for answers to your questions.
nice work
I wouldn't call those ugly fat buttons in the later versions "eye candy" though, seems people are split over how helpful they actually are, having tried them myself I found them to be unnecessarily large and wrecked the look of Manila. But each to his own I suppose, looks like that is the direction they are going with Windows 7
oh I believe the rtm version and the one on leo are the 218xx builds, they are far more stable and work well with Manila, you won't see any of the later fat button builds until next year at least.
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nice work
I wouldn't call those ugly fat buttons in the later versions "eye candy" though, seems people are split over how helpful they actually are, having tried them myself I found them to be unnecessarily large and wrecked the look of Manila. But each to his own I suppose, looks like that is the direction they are going with Windows 7
oh I believe the rtm version and the one on leo are the 218xx builds, they are far more stable and work well with Manila, you won't see any of the later fat button builds until next year at least.
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Hmm... although the buttons at the bottom often don't look very nice - if they're skinned the right way, the do look great. And using MaxTTM to make the top and bottom bars transparent, it looks even better! And I just love that I no longer have to stretch my small hands all the way across the screen just to open the start menu or tap X ...
Interesting info, should shed some light for noobs and junior members alike.
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c) 230xx = COM3, continuing development of 6.5.0.60
The latest one I found is the 23064.
These builds include finger friendly buttons, start button at the bottom and eye candy appearance, but seems that the Roms cooked with this build still have bugs.
We can find a few Roms form PhamQuang of on this branch and also Miri has posted some test versions. Hellonasty too: Maryone V0.01, V0.02 and V0.03 (coming soon with "Manila 1920xx" according to his last post edit)
Also I have a few questions:
a) Does anyone know which is the WM6.5 build that is included on the devices which appear on the 6-oct? Here in Austria I bought a Samsung OMNIA II with WM 6.5 build 21856.5.0.65
b) Seen a lot of discussion about ‘page pool’. Is it something that normal users have to know, Yes, I can improve the speed of the rom you're about to flash, but it will reduce the program memory. or is it just for cookers?
Thanks to this great forum. Yes, it is a very great forum!
Rgds
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A few comments, if you don't mind.
Nice day all!
Good to see some members are actually reading into the matter.
Good job!
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Hmm... although the buttons at the bottom often don't look very nice - if they're skinned the right way, the do look great. And using MaxTTM to make the top and bottom bars transparent, it looks even better! And I just love that I no longer have to stretch my small hands all the way across the screen just to open the start menu or tap X ...
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I skinned the buttons too, (or just use the htc black theme) but still think they are needlessly too big and push the rest of the screen up, and having start at the bottom just doesn't look as smart and spoils the symmetry, it's seems tacky and clumsy in my opinion since it was designed with Titanium in mind and not htc sense .
Personally I think they should put an option to have the large buttons in the "accessibility" or "ease of access" section in settings along with the large font size and text to speech options....
Just an update (if you want to insert it in the firt post): Manila 2.5 1920 is out.
Regards,
K
thanks...useful info in a single post...
pls keep it updated if you can
23016 and previous were not finger friendly ...
Nominated for a sticky if you ask me.
thanks for this info - its cleared a lot of confusion for me!!
MAMeingast said:
Hmm... although the buttons at the bottom often don't look very nice - if they're skinned the right way, the do look great. And using MaxTTM to make the top and bottom bars transparent, it looks even better! And I just love that I no longer have to stretch my small hands all the way across the screen just to open the start menu or tap X ...
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Hi Mameingast,
Can you please explain me how you have skinned these buttons? I have been looking for the names of these buttons, but couldn't find them.
I would appreciate a little help very much.
check out Miri's v29 roms.....they are 21869
(your threat is very usefull!!)
eddyve said:
Hi Mameingast,
Can you please explain me how you have skinned these buttons? I have been looking for the names of these buttons, but couldn't find them.
I would appreciate a little help very much.
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Hey!
The way the buttons look is part of the WM-theme you choose. The one I use is called "htc black theme" (someone else here already mentioned that theme). With it, the buttons are no longer buttons but only the symbols - which already looks alot better to me.
And for the background including the bars you have to use MaxTTM (search for it in the theme section). It has a WM 6.5 option to get the background image to stretch behind the top and bottom bars as well: You have to open MaxTTM, head to the WM 6.5 tab and check a few boxes there. Since my HD is broken, I can't check the correct settings atm, but I'm sure someone else can help you with that! Also, there is a manual for MaxTTM which should include some useful information!
Thank you very much for your info. It is very useful for the junior like me.
Just some info to update the first post with: The screenshot attached is taken from Hellonasty's MaryOne v0.03 (which is bloody excellent by the way).
Good idea this thread. Hopefully, the OP will keep it updated.
Regardless of the ROM and chef that built it, whats your favourite and why...is it the speed, looks or stability.
like the button design very easy to use
6.1 Nice and fast with zero problems. I don't use too many apps so the finger friendliness of 6.5 isn't much of an attraction to me and I don't like the 'Start' menu layout of it.
6.1 - fast, stable, supports drag&drop (in Total Commander/CE), has start menu with recent programs, it's easier to select items in listboxes (item is highlighted when you tap&hold on it so you know what are you selecting, this is overrided by scrolling in 6.5), has moveable msgbox windows (still can be dismissed like in 6.5 by tapping on the window content, you don't have to aim for OK/X), unlike 6.5.5 it is possible to run Wisbar Advance on 6.1 (and 6.5) to have icons of running programs right on taskbar, 6.5.5 doesn't support programs with toolbars (I had problems with Total Commander/CE - no start/close visible, icons too big so they didn't fit).
And yes - I like Total Commander/CE
24006 - 6.5.3 - no manila and htc stuff - titanium only. best battery-life, relatively good speed
28232 - 6.5.5 - no manila and htc stuff - titanium only. good battery-life, god speed
6.1 + Manila 2.1 - best combo for manila roms... relatively fast, but compared to win-only device... you think that it freezed sometimes when you are waiting for manila contacts, which are worse and unglier than win 6.5.* by default.
Depends on your needs... if you like social network engine, take manila one but choose faster and older sys. If you want to work and run programs mostly on your phone, then i recommend win-only rom. The best (and nearly only) way how to obtain it is to cook it. Try the Ervius kitchen here, it is ok - after 2-3 evenings you have your own baby-rom
is it good to set up another poll for UI shell choices for reference for chefs? like manila 2.1, sense 2.1, sense 2.5, titanium, clean (for spb mobile shell)...
Have tried a lot of ROMs of all flavors, but I somehow always end with some variant of 6.1
I still might choose some 6.5.x variant (currently have an eye on Miniterror's Ravage and Wajk's blackSTONEhenge)
I use 6.5.5.24001 titanium.
Pros: Very stable, fast, no memory management problems, very good battery life, polished graphics, finger friendly.
Cons: Some programs have problems with bottom toolbar, but such is life!
By the way, here is a good tip for handling the non-visible ok/close button: Just map it to the tap and hold function of the call button! This way, when you have an app that won't display properly, simply tap and hold the call button until the app is closed/minimized!
Bottom Line: 24001 is really rock solid in terms of memory management, thus I prefer this over a more compatible/conventional OS that has to be restarted every two days due to memory leaks!
Enjoy!
It's either WM6.1 & Sense 2.5 or WM6.5.5 & Sense 2.1 for me.
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It's either WM6.1 & Sense 2.5 or WM6.5.5 & Sense 2.1 for me.
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What wm6.1 and sense 2.5 rom are you using?
I like to use 6.5 with sense 2.5, as the windows 6.5 is stable and sense 2.5 has now got quicker on roms
i like windows 6.1 more bug free than 6.5.5
but 6.5.5 have nice bottom toolbar... more fingger friendly i think
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6.1 - fast, stable, supports drag&drop (in total commander/ce), has start menu with recent programs, it's easier to select items in listboxes
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+1 .
Stupid things in 6.5 & 6.5.x
Despite some minor improvement in 6.5 and 6.5.x in compare with 6.1, it’s so strange to me why Microsoft always forget some basic assumptions and doing very stupid modifications?! For example I cannot understand why in 6.5 and 6.5.x drop down start menu which is contained recent opened application is missed, while it was so useful!
Another Foolishness thing is the new lock screen! Why instead of locking the home screen or today screen which is contained user required information, a new lock screen created? And then due to the shortage of information in lock screen many developers are working to make it as complete as possible!? Also why there is a lock button just in Start menu page? If it’s useful to be available, why it does not exist in other pages?
Anyway, it’s always been fault of Microsoft! Day after day creating new things, but loosing basic concepts like ease of usage and simplicity. You can see this matter from moving from XP to Vista and then to W7!
I wish somebody were exists in Microsoft to listen to the customers carefully and check their ideas by himself.
it isn't very hard to figure out why they changed the lockscreen *whisperes something about Apple and the iPhone*