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I hope this is not too noob'ish a question:
What is the advantage of
1. installing (most of) your programs in a ROM,
vs.
2 having a rather clean/small ROM, and installing (a lot of) CABS afterwards?
I know 1. is a bit easier.
But is there any difference in performance?
I would say that you can't install anything into the ROM
That's why they use the ROM to fill it with the "cookers" special needs
The Advantage of Rom Installed Software:
You don't have to manually install it after a Hard Reset of Flash. Enough said on that, it saves you some time.
The Disadvantages of Rom Installed Software:
Uses Rom Memory for the original copy of files and Storage memory for anything that must be moved as part of initial setup. So anything that can't simply stay in Windows folder is duplicated elsewhere. For example if you prefer to have your programs in folders under the Program Files Folder then a program that uses 1mb will use 1mb of Rom memory and then when it is copied (remember you can't really delete Rom Files) it will use 1mb of Storage Memory also for a total of 2mb of used memory.
Can't uninstall original version when an upgraded version is avaliable. Sure the Rom file can be marked as deleted so they aren't listed in File Explorer anymore but they are rom files so you don't free-up any space.
More files in your Windows Folder. While the affect this has on our devices isn't 100% clear we do know that it slows opening the windows folder and I believe that it does cause a general slowdown in the device's overall functioning. This is why I prefer to have programs installed to their own folders.
The Advantages of Manually Installed Software:
Saves Rom Memory which increases Storage Memory. Basically since you have everything in Storage Memory you aren't paying extra for anything as nothing took any Rom Memory.
Can uninstall original version when an upgraded version is avaliable. Yes, since everything was installed into Storage Memory you can actually deleted the files to upgrade thus saving Memory.
Fewer files in your Windows Folder. While the affect this has on our devices isn't 100% clear we do know that it speeds-up opening the windows folder and I believe that it does affect the device's overall functioning. This is why I prefer to have programs installed to their own folders.
The Disadvantage of Manually Installed Software:
You have to manually install it after a Hard Reset of Flash. Enough said on that, it costs you some time. UC Compliant Roms can overcome this.
Well, as some cooks report: there seems to be an extra advantage of installing into ROM: everything seems to work a little smoother and faster. Don't know how or why exactly but has to do something with the after-installing process which makes the device less stabile.
Experiments have shown that of you take a full ROM vs. a lite ROM with the extra's from the full ROM installed afterwards, the full ROM is faster and more stabile.
Kyphur: I believe the second red and green titles are wrong? (I believe yoe mean Cab Installed Software?)
One of the reason that loading windows up with files slows everything down is because the are all paged & cached, depending on the settings. Once the device catches up, it's not as noticable.
Storage card Files cannot be paged like the cooked in files. That's why some programs will add .exe & .dll resources to \windows even though themajority of the files are indeed installed to the SD card.
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Storage card Files cannot be paged like the cooked in files. That's why some programs will add .exe & .dll resources to \windows even though themajority of the files are indeed installed to the SD card.
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I don't install to my storage card anymore. Why would I do that when I start out with over 160mb of free Storage memory?
kyphur said:
I don't install to my storage card anymore. Why would I do that when I start out with over 160mb of free Storage memory?
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No, I don't either. But also with installing on the device there seems to be some (speed)difference in ROM installing and CAB-installing.
I'm with Kyphur on this one. The less I have in the ROM, the better because software is constantly changing, being upgraded, etc. Also, I find a lot of times my needs vary and I don't require so much "stuff" on my ROMs, so w/ the XDA-Live approach, I have the freedom to only install what I need. I guess it's a matter of preference really. Sure there are technical differences, both they are overcome either way, so it just comes down to what you like better.
pietrucci said:
Experiments have shown that of you take a full ROM vs. a lite ROM with the extra's from the full ROM installed afterwards, the full ROM is faster and more stabile.
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Ok ... thanks!
- Do you by any chance have a link to such a benchmark?
- Does that also go for ROMs you cook yourself (with Alex' Kitchen)?
How to actually mark as deleted files in ROM?
Hello, this is an interesting thread, and I also hope you guys know more on this, since you're explaining the concept (and I also searched for a solution, but sorry, didn't find, I might have not used the proper keywords for searching):
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Sure the Rom file can be marked as deleted so they aren't listed in File Explorer anymore but they are rom files so you don't free-up any space.
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So I flashed Dutty's Official WM6.1 5.2.19716 UC RTM (but which ROM it is, doesn't really matter) as my question is related to "deleting" (or at least marking as deleted) ROM files. My problem is, I want to delete \Windows\Long Send.lnk because I don't like the Comm Manager show up when holding the green Send key during a call, while I'm expecting the phone to go into speakerphone mode like used from many other phones (even my Sagem cordless at home behaves this way). The folks in this ROM's thread suggested to delete that shortcut file (which is what I think they know right if they hadn't omitted the fact that the file is in ROM), but none of the in ROM or read-only attributes can be changed with Total Commander, so I can't "delete" it. Now I understand it's supposed to be just marked as deleted as it is "in ROM", so it is supposed to survive a hard reset, but how can I mark it deleted for the time being (next ROM upgrade for example, or hard-reset)?.
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Ok ... thanks!
- Do you by any chance have a link to such a benchmark?
- Does that also go for ROMs you cook yourself (with Alex' Kitchen)?
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No I don't have a benchmark of this. But then again: the current benchmarks (SPB and VS Benchmark) aren't that reliable.
I remember one cook from the Hermes device (maybe it was Pandora) made a ultra-lite version with an option to autorun everything afterwards with cabs.
This ROM wasn't as fast and snappy as the original full ROM. I think he quitted developing the ROM further.
Don't know if it's always true that everything's worse installing with cabs, it was just something a remembered from the past.
(by the way: I also install a lot from cabs...)
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I'm with Kyphur on this one. The less I have in the ROM, the better because software is constantly changing, being upgraded, etc. Also, I find a lot of times my needs vary and I don't require so much "stuff" on my ROMs, so w/ the XDA-Live approach, I have the freedom to only install what I need. I guess it's a matter of preference really. Sure there are technical differences, both they are overcome either way, so it just comes down to what you like better.
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the ROMs change too, and not slower than the softwares
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the ROMs change too, and not slower than the softwares
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But flashing every week a new ROM is not for everyone. The possibility to flash once in a while is cool and good enough for lots of people, but doesn't have to become the main occupation
Zoolooc said:
But flashing every week a new ROM is not for everyone. The possibility to flash once in a while is cool and good enough for lots of people, but doesn't have to become the main occupation
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That's what "UC" is for! Auto Install all of your apps. Just remember to keep the cab files updated.
For me, one of the biggest advantage of full rom is I save a lot of time in doing backup since the files in the rom already.
Another advantage of full rom is they don't need to store any files under \Windows\AppMgr since they can't be uninstall anyway.
To overcome the bad effects of full rom. I tend to consider the following when putting programs in my full rom.
1. File can be run under \Windows
2. Programs that don't change that often, or doesn't need the latest version.
Guys, i need some help. Recently i came across the rom update for my xda iis, so i decide to take it out of my drawer and see if i can update it with HELMI_BA_WM6_R0_Public. I followed all the steps and try to upgrade it, after i click on HELMI_BA_WM6_R0_.exe, my xda iis restart on cradle and after that nothing happen. I notice it only appear on the top with the word "serial" and the bottom "v2.06". I have tried in vain to get it working again, please try to help as im very new to this. Im using window Vista.
since apparently, you are not that experienced in flashing your device, i would recommend you use windows xp to flash your device.
then you have a look at this wiki wizard:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blueangel_WM6_WizzardUpgrade1_WM2003SE0
this is a step by step instruction on how to upgrade from wm2003 to wm6.
please follow it precisely, even if you don't see a point in certain steps, they are all important!!!
if you, however, don't understand a step or a phrase, feel free to re-post, and i will explain it to you in more detail.
have fun with the upgrading, one word of advise: take your time, the first upgrade with storage resize radio upgrade, sim unlock and other stuff can last an hour or two (not the upgrade itself, but the process you go through). when you remember the steps and feel like you want a different rom, after testing this one, all you have to do is donload a "nk.nbf" file and flash it, and the entire update takes you 5 minutes then
Hi Chef_tony, thanks for the reply. I went to the link u gave me and from the 1st step on im stuck. It ask me to download both the unlocker and Repart and place it on the phone, but i cant do anything with the phone except for the "Serial" on top and "V2.06" below, it does change to "usb" when i cradle it. please help. thanks again
ok, then at that point you are stuck in boot loader, that happened to me too.
the reason for that might not be that interesting to you now, but it is because vista in the middle of the flashing process vista thinks it needs new drivers, downloads them and then it disconnects the device, something that shouldn't be done while flashing, as everyone knows.
these wiki links explain how to flash from vista using modified drivers, but i wanna tell you in advance, that i personally never got it running, i always use a windows xp machine:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blueangel_WM6_WizzardUpgrade4_Vista
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blueangel_WM6_WizzardUpgrade4_Vista_Pic
so, still i want to state that the best way to flash is a xp computer, if you have access to one, use that to flash your original shipped rom first, to resize the storage (first wizard step) afterwards.
theoretically, a virtual machine, running xp would also work, if you still have an xp cd lying around, you can download virtual pc 2007 from microsoft, it is free and you just need a short time to set up a virtual xp machine, because i can guarantee you, you will flash more than one rom, once you started on the topic.
remember, you need to flash your shiped rom, then you want to flash the helmi rom, then maybe a rom update and probably you are not staying with that rom forever, since it is wm6, there is also wm6.1 and wm6.5 to follow that.
what i want to say is:
- try the flashing with vista option described in the wiki links above
- if that doesn't work, try to get to an xp computer and follow the steps
- flash your original shipped rom first
- then the wiki wizard steps in again
Problem is solve, thank you so much chef_tony. my next question is...where can i get wm6.1 rom as all the link i had is dead
according to another user, this thread's links are still working:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=403421
but it does not contain office. (you can still try other office download links, if you need it)
just by the tiny size of the extrom i would say there is hardly anything contained, but anyway, that is a rom i used too, and it is quite nice, also look up IOLITE stuff in this forum for extra apps.
make sure to repost if everything went to plan
I found a working wm6.1 pro on another website and its working great! It contain office as well. Thing now is i didnt adjust the memory and i didnt have enough space to install every software that i had
This is the link http://www.4shared.com/file/66810499/8a61be24/HTC-BA5220758WWE_v302_25M_PP-16M_RAMdisk_a.html?s=1
By the way chef_tony, you happen to have any idea how to open up BA, cause i would love to clean it up on the inside.
1. the thing is, the storage resize is important for 2 reasons:
- sure, with the resize you woulld have 16mb more storage memory for installing programs and storing stuff
- you still have your original extrom on the device, which is not compatible with newer roms, meaning, instead of simply copying the extrom to an sd card to have a basic setup and installing programs you need to install cabs manually
which is why i said to follow the steps precisely, now you have 16mb of space you simply can't access from wm6 at all, and for a resize you'd have to go back to wm2003 first but give your rom a try first, maybe it is not the perfect one for you after all, then you still have the opportunity to re-flash.
2. i am glad you found a valid link, many people post their roms to hosters that take it down after a while, expecially when there are no more downloads of that item, and so, many links posted here half a year ago are not working anymore, which is sad, since there are still a lot of people, including you, that would like to go to wm5, wm6 or wm6.1 and not just the newest wm6.5 builds, but, whatever, you found your rom and hopefully kept the files stored on your pc for future reflashing...
3. there are two basic disassembling guides for the BA:
- the official service manual (also good for repairs, since they explain each step):
http://www.4pda-service.ru/netcat_f.../BLUE ANGEL/HTC_Blue_Angel_Service_manual.pdf
- the manual made by a forum user:
http://www.land-of-kain.de/ppc/mda3/disassembly/
i am glad it all worked out for you so far and you will realize that this old device has a lot of potential, when you keep it up to date (and clean ).
Thanks you so much for the help. I'll try to update if the link is dead someday, by the way..i have 43mb storage and 84mb programme, is that good or bad?
the program memory is normal, but the storage should be 16 mb more, so instead of 43.XX you would have 60.30mb.
that is the extrom resize mentioned before.
- you need to flash your original rom for that
- then copy the "xda-developers unlocker" and the "repart_doc.exe" to your device. (attached below)
- you install the extrom unlocker
- then you go to start menu and extrom unlocker
- you execute "unhide"
- then unlock
- then start the repart_doc and set the size to 128kb
then you can lock the extrom and hide it again.
maybe in that process there is a soft reset required, i don't remember.
the reason why you do all that is because the extrom memory is hidden and locked and contains a bunch of cabs, that install automatically, when you hard reset the device.
so after that, you can reflash your wm6 rom, and you'll see, that after you resized and formatted that space, your memory dialogue will show 60.30mb of storage memory (plus it gives you the opportunity to install wm6 extroms from the sd card).
I got the O2 Xda IIs Model PH20B and now upgraded to ROM Version 6.50.28WWE. Radio Version 1.12.00, Protocol Version 1337.42. The CPU is PXA263 wuth 400 MHZ and 112MB RAM. Flash Chip type 28F128K3
The office mobile doesn't work anymore, the things that haven't worked before (like PSSHutXp, TomTom etc) don't work. It can't be connected to any computer not by Active Sync on Windows 2k or XP, and not with Windows Mobile on Vista. I have a lot of icons duplicated on the desktop with (1) behind the name aka Calendar and Calendar (1) and can't get rid of them.... what can I do? Can any one help me please? I am ready to throw that thing out of the window!
Thanks a lot in advance
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I suggest you to do a hard reset...
Have you dit it when you was upgrading?
Because after upgrade you have to do it, to avoid problems with some pieces of applications , that have been left in your memory...
thanks for your reply, much appreciated. Yes I did hard reset it, it won't even use the Extrom on the SDCard to give me office or anything, even it said the cabs are installed. Stupid thing!
I now went back to the original O2 crap old ROM and search for 6.1 but I can't seem to find one that works, the ones I found on here don't install right away but go through syncing, which mine won't so it keeps saying the device doesn't respond lol. I think I seriously give up soon and just throw it out I had enough, and I am good with computers etc usually, I build them and all, just I never had a PDA before.
Anyone know something?
if it didn't use the extrom from the sd card you probably still have the internal extrom in the device and forgot to format and resize it before you first upgraded to wm5 and above. what you need to do to get rid of all that old crap is:
1. downgrade to your shipped rom, remember, now that your device is WWE, you need to use MAupgradeut_noID and botloader to avoid country id and device id errors.
2. download xda-unlocker.cab and repartDOC.exe and put them on an sd card. install the unlocker.
3. run the unlocker by going to the start menu, EXTROM tools, click "Unhide" then "Unlock"
4. run repartDOC and set the size to 128kb
5. run the unlocker again by going to the start menu, EXTROM tools, this time click "Lock" then "Hide"
6. now your device does not have the internal extrom anymore, meaning you have 16MB more storage capacity and you can use extroms coming from the sd card.
7. then flash back the new rom, say wm6.1, again using the MAupgradeut_noID and bootloader mode.
8. when done, perform a hard reset, notice that the procedure for hard resetting changed, (press reset+power+record+camera)
9. in the menu appearing, the options ARE set:
Enable KITL: YES
clean registry hive: NO
format storage: NO
using the camera and record button, flip all the settings, so it says:
Enable Kitl: NO
clean registry hive: YES
format storage YES
10. confirm with the mail button, your screen turns white, and after some time, the device boots and installs the extrom from the sd card.
that is the procedure to go through, when first upgrading to wm5 and above and since your device made special problems, my wildest guess would be, that you forgot to resize the extrom, which is the reason the sd card's extrom was not loaded. plus you probably performed no hard reset or did it wrong, which is why the device was filled with garbage even after flashing a new rom.
if that manual was to fast, or you didn't get any of the things above, there is a wizard (assistant, not the device) in the wiki, to guide through the upgrade process, there you will also find the download links for the mentioned unlocker and repartdoc:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blueangel_WM6_WizzardUpgrade1_WM2003SE0
that link is already one step into the problem and starts with the extrom resize, assuming that you flash your shipped rom first, and need no help doing that.
remember: you cannot resize your extrom from wm5 and above, for your device to run properly, you need to go back to wm2003 first.
have fun and good luck with that
Thank you very much Chef Tony. I was willing to put it up for sale but I will try what you suggested once again, even I am sure I ran through it all and did it, but it doesn't hurt to try it again. If I am still too stupid to use the Blue Angel, or still don't get along with it, I can always sell it afterwards.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH
UPDATE:
I have done it on my XP computer this time, not Vista, and it worked. The other thing I did wrong, no laugh at me if you want LOL, but I am a novice and have my blonde moments , and never did this before, I unrared ALL the files in the EXTROM Folder... this time I only unrared the main folder and put them all on the card as they were inside that unpacked EXTROM Folder. Works like a charm now and the programs are installed and I can use it... saves me a LOT of money as I was ready to sell everything I have to sell to get the iphone, now thanks to you I can use the XDA IIs as it should work.
I owe you one! VIELEN LIEBEN DANK FUER DEINE HILFE.
Hi,
just upgraded to wm6.5 using your great tutorial, and used one of the ROM files in there (21198.7Z)
After succesful upgrade, I get a messgae that this copy will expire in 30 days .
Do you know anything about that? Is there anything I can do to remove this time limit thing?
If I'll need to flash another ROM of wm6.5 (because of this trial limit, or just to try another ROM), do I follow the regular steps, starting from "put your device in Bootloader mode", or should I downgrade again completely to windows 2003SE?
Any help to this confused soul will be appreciated...
yes, the expiration date of the 21198 is known. what you need to do is upgrade to 21202.
the procedure is the standard one, bootloader, flashing, hard reset, extrom
password for RAR files
http://www.brsbox.com/filebox/down/fc/61f981ae01254fb02966f2d3eceed652/rand/604774532
i've download the file *.Nbf
but cannot extract the prompt is wrong password
But at xda-developers
the password is [email protected]#$DEWBSH^g47HW$%UN#%GYMK%#$?W5xxwIHJYH
i've try but always interupt.
want to upgrade but unsure seeing others problems
Hi, new to flashing PDA's but literate with pc's.
I have read a number of times through the instructions to upgrade BA (xda iis) from wm2003se to wm6.5.
Firstly, I have downloaded the upgrade 21198 but now I see that this has an expiration. You advise above to use a different file but I can't find this revision on the xda site. Can you advise?
Also, the main reason I haven't progressed any further is unsure of steps in relation to the placement of the files. As I said, I have read the instructions but still not quite sure what to do.
I have downloaded the file 21198 (although this may change prior to doing an upgrade) but where do I put this? On the SD card or on my PC?
Do I need to unrar it first or leave as is?
When I run maupgrade_noid, is this run from the PC or from the SD Card?
In step 5, it states "quickly press buttons prior to version appearing" what happens if the version appears first and if it does, what steps do you need to go back to to rectify?
Sorry for so many questions, but I don't want to stuff my device or spend hours trying to return to a functional wm2003se system.
Your assistance is appreciated. (I am very much a step by step person when it comes to doing these things. Once understood, no problem from then on)
Thanks,
yes, you should not try the 21198 anymore, download the 21202 here: it is the release r6.1 (yes, it is wm6.5, not 6.1).
then make sure to read this and follow all the wizard's steps: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blueangel_WM6_WizzardMain
that wizard also explains, how to resize the storage, which needs to be done BEFORE you flash another rom.
then, to go to your further questions, the file you downloaded needs to be extracted on your pc and it contains a rom file named nk.nbf, a few other files, and very important: a MAupgradeut_noID file, which you need to run to flash the device (on the pc, of course).
you couldn't start anything on your device anyway, because prior to that, you put the device into bootloader mode, which means it is not really running, it means it opens a soft-port to accept the rom, being transfered.
about the hard reset: you can also press the four buttons at once, to make sure, to access the menu, mentioned in the wiki. if you don't make it to press the 2 buttons in time, the device will boot, but not work properly, so you can give it a try again, no need to worry to miss the window.
if still there is something left, you didn't get, i can explain further. just re-post
Thanks Chef Tony, I did it! However, device is slow...
Thanks for the help.
Now, I have a question: I am not sure whether it is my device or it is just the normal.
I notice that the time it takes for the machine to react (for example, when opening an app, or more precisely simply clicking on an icon) is somewhat slow - let's say there is a delay of 2-3 seconds between clicking and untill the device reacts. Is that the way it should be (I am really a newbie to this things, so I do not have any prev experience)?
Another thing: I tried to install some Java games (which I guess were meant for smart phones) and installed succesfully, but trying to open them, they either stuck, or not working (showing a grey screen, and that's it). Is that means that they are not compatible with Blueangel with this win6.5 OS, or is the device too weak, or what?
Thanks for all the help!
actually, i gotta admit, i don't know about those 2 things. it's been a while since i first flashed a wm6 os, so i don't have a direct coparison between speeds, i know that the 21202 is the fastest rom i had on my device so far, which probably means, when i first upgraded i stepped on the brake, and now, from rom to rom, it's getting a little faster again. as it is not the native os it can never be as fast as in wm2003. still, i can hardly tell from here, whether your device's speed is ok.
you can try different things:
- if you use tcpmp for video playback and maybe have tested it before, run a benchmark and see how much speed your device actually has in rendering a video.
- you can use the chome and flip it a little and try that on how fluent it runs
- if it is just when starting programs, make sure you performed a hard reset after upgrading (reset+power+camera+record->YES, NO, NO->NO, YES, YES)
- you can also make sure that, if you have external programs installed, they are on the device instead of the sd card
- if some of them are on the sd card, defrag it using pocket mechanic or your pc's card reader
if nothing of that fits, either your device is rather slow and maybe you should try xcpuscalar to overclock it, or you are just not used to cooked roms' speed yet
about java: the java support the device has, comes from an addon program to be found in the extrom folder, called JBED....cab. since you apparently installed the extrom that came with the rom, the chef of the rom, xplode, picked the right version to run with. what you can do is:
- copy that cab file to the device again and re-install it
- try and download another version of the file somewhere
- whereever you got the java programs, look there about the compatibility, maybe get other versions
i know that is vague but i have not used java since wm2003, i don't even have jbed installed, everything that i can't get as a cab, as a real windows mobile program, i don't install in the first place. most java apps out there are games and i realized in wm2003 that they tend to work like they want. sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. it is very strange, which i quit that topic. maybe someone here has mor experience when it comes to that.
P.S. if you want to check the speed again and have access to a camera, you can make a video of the device in action and post a link here. i will surely have a look and while speed might be subjective, then we know for sure.
P.S.2 i know, just having the device upgraded and the first few steps are done, the problems show up can be frustrating, but give it a chance, you'll love it
Thanks for the help!
Thanks for this long d completenexplanation, chef Tony. I'll try your advice and let you know.an
WM 6.5 Upgrade
Thanks Chef_Tony for your response.
And yep, I do have another question.
Firstly though, I have all the necessary files downloaded, including the memory resizer etc. Just waiting on a go.
The reason for my question of the SD Card is due to the following step in the upgrade section:
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6.(if removed earlier) Put back your SD Card before you do the setup. This way the installation from the SD will continue after you have done the setup
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I didn't, and still don't understand what this step does. What installation continues from the SD Card?
One more question, If I stuff it or am not happy with WM 6.5, to go back to WM2003se, do I only have to reflash using the wm2003se ROM? or are there other steps involved due to the changes made to the BA?
Thanks,
Giles.
before you start the actual upgrade, so, before you click maupgradeut_noid.exe you are supposed to take out the sd card, i really can't explain, how an sd card in the device would influence the upgrade process but more importantly is the above mentioned putting the card back in.
to explain that: if you ever hard resetted your device in wm2003 you will have realized that after you align the screen and set the clock there are still programs that install afterwards automatically. those programs and customizations, e.g. a wallpaper, a dialer skin, some other programs, are not part of the rom but are cabs, stored in the extrom. the extrom is the storage space that you resize and format in the first steps, meaning your future wm6.5 is lacking those extra programs. since wm6.5 is larger in installation size, programs like the internet explorer or office are taken out and stored in the new extrom. you probably downloaded an extrom.zip file. before coming to that mentioned step 6 of yours, you are supposed to extract that archive and put the folder called extrom on the sd card. and putting that in at that given moment, together with the hard reset, it causes the same effect as in wm2003, that after the first start with the align screen and set clock, there are programs installing. after that you can delete the folder from the sd card, as there are no cabs in that folder anymore anyway.
about your other question: your shipped rom probably consists of one single exe file. you can't re-flash using that file that easy. it is a self-extracting pack that you'd have to extract first and start the downgrade with the maupgradeut_noid again, because you'd get a country id error if you wouldn't, since you bypass the country id by upgrading and your device is WWE then.
another thing is the storage space, meaning you need to resize the storage to gain space for the extrom again. basicly you revert the steps you go to with the upgrade. detailed instructions can be found here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BA_Downgrade_WM5
but i think you wouldn't wanna go back to wm2003, it might be fast, but you hardly get any programs for it these days and with the great UI and finger friendlyness of wm6.5 you will be satisfied.
i hope that although my explanation was long (and not clearly thought through in before ) you got my point: sd card is for the extrom, for going back to wm2003, visit the link i posted.
greetz
Chef_Tony
Technical Question - still understanding
Ok Chef-Tony, I am understanding more and more, but still a little more to go before you earn your donation. (if you can get my learnin up to speed).
I understand what you have said so far.
I assume the merge process merges the ExtRom, Rom and storage (All ROM) together, albeit setting the Extrom space to 128 kb and the remaining 95MB to storage? Leaving Storage 95MB, Extrom 128kb and RAM 128MB.
And secondly, you mention downloading an Extrom.zip file with the extra progs needed. I haven't downloaded this file and can't see where it is downloaded from. I have downloaded the unlocker and the re-part files/apps and also the 21202.7z Rom upgrade. The instructions for the Extrom say to access it by doing an unhide and then an unlock but nothing to say copy any files to your SD card.
I have also checked the 21202.7z file contents but no extrom.zip contained. Can I assume that the necessary files are part of the ROM upgrade itself and no extra files need to be copied to SD Card prior to upgrade?
Come on now, stop laughing at me, just because half a milion others have already done this successfully doesn't make me stupid!
Almost there,
Giles.
about storage locations:
the blueangel as shipped comes with the following memory specs:
- Extrom 16 MB
- ROM 32 MB
- RAM 128 MB (devides itself dynamically into storage space and actual RAM, program memory)
- Storage 43 MB
the programs by default installed into the ram, your pim information was stored there, too. that is why whenever the device ran out of power for a longer time, everything was lost. it was like a hard reset.
you got that right there is 96MB of rom (rom, extrom and storage) which does not get lost in case you run out of electricity.
but the ram of 128MB was cleared, whenever that happened.
the new memory in wm6.5 is:
- (old) extrom 128KB (empty)
- ROM 32MB
- Storage: 60MB (old storage 43mb+extrom 16mb)
- RAM 128 MB (90mb show up in memory)
that seems like not much of a difference so far, but it is.
what took me long to understand is:
your RAM is now ONLY RAM, it is just used like the ram on a pc, it is completely just for working the programs and the UI, and NO storage space at all, that is why you don't have the bar to set the ratio between program and storage memory anymore.
and while in wm2003 the Storage is shown in explorer like a memory card, now you access the storage simply as \\blueangel\
this means, although the numbers are similar, e.g. when you run out of power or don't touch the device for a month, still all your data will be saved, that's because nothing is stored in ram anymore and that makes the hard reset more complicated, because you manually have to choose, that you actually want to format the storage, because the power+reset empty the ram, which was enough to format the old OS's storage, as it was battery-dependent.
in general that means, you have a little less storage space, because your ramdrive will be gone, but therefore the device is much faster and installing on the sd card is easier now (needs no extra program like cab installer, you can always pick the drive you want to install to.
to make that more visual, i post a screenshot below of my memory state at the moment.
for the second part, yes you are right, the extrom is an extra file, which needs to be extracted and then the folder extrom needs to be put on an sd card, which causes the before mentioned taking out the card and putting it back in for the first start.
to quote the thread, where you got the rom from ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=482997 ):
"R6.1 Release (this does not mean that this is windows mobile 6.1)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rapidshare: R6.1 ROM | EXTROM
Megaupload: R6.1 ROM | EXTROM
Ziddu: R6.1 ROM | EXTROM
21202 Fixes - This cab should fix the ability to make audio recording of the call, also should fix the show of the G icon and the status for gprs connectivity"
there is an extra download link for the extrom.7z file
and finally, you have to devide between the 2 different extroms:
- in wm2003 there is an extrom stored in your device, that is the one that you resize to 128kb and practically eliminate
- in wm6.5 you put your extrom on the sd card for one time use.
that is exactly the point of resizing the original extrom. since you only need the extrom when you hard reset, which you probably don't do, when on the road, you don't need to waste those precious 16mb on your device for installation files, that are hardly ever used. plus, with the resizing and deleting of the original extrom, you make the device look for the extrom on the sd card.
but your question is fully justified, you see, your shipped rom is bigger than the cooked roms here, because it contains the actual rom, the extrom and a radio rom. that is called a baked rom, where everything is packed together and whatever state the device is in before you flash this, you definetely have the state you want afterwards.
many devices, like the HTC Universal for example are still flashed with the extrom and it is not as easy to customize it.
to customize the extrom:
you extrom folder will contain a file called cfg.txt, which will contain something like this:
Code:
LOCK:Enabled
SHOW:\Storage Card\EXTROM\Custom.bmp
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\ADC.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\A2DPFix.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\Extrom_version.CAB
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\GoogleMaps.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\HTC Large Title Bar.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\HTC_Task_Manager_2.1_34837.5.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\HTC_Touch_Calculator_Skin.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\HTC_WMP_Touch_Skin.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\Office_6.1.21202.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\PHM Regedit.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\PIE8_Flash3.1_21202.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\pocketrar.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\psShutXP.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\RDM_21202.CAB
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\sipchange.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\skybox.CAB
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\skybox.CAB
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\SMS Delivery Receipt Fix
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\WMWidgets.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\EXTROM\youtubeplay.cab
LOCK:Disabled
HIDE:Enabled
EXEC: \Windows\DelCDetect.exe
HIDE:Disabled
RST: Reset
as you can see, there are a few commands, that shouldn't interest you, it is the (un-)locking of the screen and keys there, the important thing is the list of cabs. it will match the list of cabs in the actual folder, but you can also change the contents of the folder to whatever you like, you just need to adjust this list of cabs, because that is the procedure, the extrom is installed by. you will see, that this list varys from the one in your extrom, as i customized mine already.
i re-flash my device pretty often to test new roms and when i know what extra programs i need, like google maps, tcpmp or youtubeplay, i simply put them in the folder and in this list, and they install automatically after the rom upgrade. also you'll see, that for example arcsoft mms, and adobe reader are removed from the list, as i never use them.
ok, this was a little more than what you asked for, but for fully understanding what that extrom is, and how to work with it, i thought this might all help you. i fully understand that you want to be sure to understand what you are doing first, before you actually do it and i appreciate that, many people here start off wrong and then post a question, when they screwed up their device
sorry this took me so long, but it is a heck lot of text i wrote there.
greetz
Chef_Tony
Excellent assistance on Upgarade
Chef_Tony, what can I say.
I should apologise, I saw the EXTROM link when I first downloaded the 21202 ROM but at the time I didn't understand what that was for and reading back through the instructions I didn't pick up on its importance. I am glad we had this discussion or I would have been asking questions and been wishing I never tried the upgrade. Now I feel more confident that I have what I need to do the upgrade successfully.
I did understand your ealier explanation of the prog install using the EXTROM process but your additional info in your last response has really given me a good understanding. cfg.txt file is bit like a batch file to some degree.
I really have appreciated your assistance in this and I hope that all goes well when I upgrade, which won't be for a week as I am travelling and need it for TomTom. So don't want any problems prior to going away.
Thanks,
Chef baby, I've done it
Chef Tony,
I know we had this coversation this time last year, but I have finally got a second BA (I suffer from Fear of Frying, needed a spare).
Anyway, upgraded BA to WM6.5 21202, Which works just fine, only marginally slower than WM2003. The only real difficulty I had, and needed to try a number of times until successful was the hard reset, Camera, record, power and reset. I don't know how many fingers you have but with the standard 4 + thumb, I found it pretty difficult. Succeeded more by luck than skill.
So, thanks for very clear instruction and understanding.
Now, I'm not lazy, but the amount of reading involved to locate relevant info on this site is significant so I thought I might ask a question:
What is the latest Rom? and is touchflo a part of the rom or can you download a cab with the application for the BA?
1 last question, is there a page here listing all cabs or just search and locate on RS or somewhere?
Ta,
i see, you've been away for quite some time. meanwhile, i wrote a detailed and stickied tutorial, also containing a full download collection of all the recent roms, radio roms and many add-on applications like different office versions, browsers, finger friendly keyboards... you'll find a link in my signature or as a sticky in the ba rom development section.
the latest rom is hard to tell, if you want touchflo 2d, one of sun_dream's roms in my thread has manila 1919.
pro:
+ newest blueangel manila version so far
+ looks very nice
con:
- a little slow
- in my test, wi-fi did not work with all encryptions
- the manila 1919 only works with this rom
d-two has one dedicated wm6.1+manila 1917 rom, where it is already integrated
pro:
+ saves a lot of space
+ fast
con:
- wm6.1 is not very finger friendly apart from manila itself
- the rom is made to be used with manila, once you decide you don't want to use it anymore, you might as well switch roms
- manila 1917 is not as nice looking as 1919 (IMO)
also, d-two has several other roms, like wm 6.5.5 build23529.
pro:
+ manila 1917 works with it
+ just one manila cab, easy to install
con:
- manila takes a lot of space, because it is an add-on app here.
the 23529 is the best rom so far, in my opinion. i'm using it myself.
someone once said, the BA hard reset is pretty easy, if you have 3 hands
i usually let my ba lie in my left hand using the index finger for the power button and the right hand for the stylus to press the reset pin, then quickly switch hands and press camera+record with the left thumb and index finger while holding the ba in the right hand. i guess, if i hadn't already gotten used to this procedure or if i was left handed, it would be easier.
in general, i think, after you've read your way through my thread, you will find your way around the "BA 2010"
if you have any questions left, just post back
with best regards
Chef_Tony
Thanks again,
Yes, a little while after I posted this I found your list of Roms and apps etc.
Funny thing was, I actually found this the other night and printed the first 3 pages to complete the upgrade. I just didn't read down far enough for everything else.
Also, due to response above from d-two, I also have a link to his Roms and guides.
Thanks again, not so afraid to do this now I have done it once, still the monkey act trying to get all 4 buttons pressed at the same time, well all I can say, it wasn't an Australian that come up with that idea.
selig97 said:
Yes, a little while after I posted this I found your list of Roms and apps etc.
Funny thing was, I actually found this the other night and printed the first 3 pages to complete the upgrade. I just didn't read down far enough for everything else.
Also, due to response above from d-two, I also have a link to his Roms and guides.
Thanks again, not so afraid to do this now I have done it once, still the monkey act trying to get all 4 buttons pressed at the same time, well all I can say, it wasn't an Australian that come up with that idea.
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That would have been Tuatara
Radio Upgrade issue now
Chef,
I have performed the next ROM upgrade to D-twos Build 23529 and still have the Bluetooth connection issue.
So, today I tried to upgrade the Radio from v1.12 to v1.13. The upgrade keeps failing. I start with bootloader mode, run maupgradeut_noid with the applicable radio nbf file in the same folder on PC. When maupgrade starts it shows the new radio rom version but then it doesn't do anything for about 5 minutes when it tells me that it failed. I have tried 3 times with no success.
Am I doing this upgrade right?
Your guide says to do the same for radio as normal rom.
Thanks,
you could try the newest radio version 1.15.00. that should work, i never got any other radio to work than the original t-mobile radio and the 1.15.00. you are right, radio roms are flashed just like any other rom.
Well, I'm new here in the forum, come and ask for help from everyone, because I tried everything, and frankly I'm kinda tired of reinstalling everything without being able to update my QTEK WM6, when he ta with WM3 SE, follow the tutorial here, but always get stuck at the run the update because it does not show the version being installed and not installed on the device, therefore I can not continue.
Sorry for bad English!
I await help! = \
Look oque appears when I try to go anyway!
Apparently the software to using is not appropriate for the QTEK9090 WM3 SE.
well, i would guess, either your device is not in bootloader mode or your activesync is not successfully killed, also have a look at these detailed instructions and make sure, you are performing every step in that order, because people seem to reduce the upgrading to 5 steps and miss out on other important steps and then wonder, why they got close, but could not actually upgrade. this should help you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4706441&postcount=2
Well, I stopped at the next part because I was concerned:
"
6. Click "Format now!"
7. Soft reset
8. Go back to the Extrom Tools
9. Lock "
10. "Hide"
11. Now proceed with "Upgrading to WM5 / 6 device" "
Format does not reset the contents of some memory? XD
And so, my device is already unlocked, just that I do not know if this release is the same as reported in the tutorial, because the release did was running a program, and only, I put no chip here and recognize.
Well these are my doubts before proceeding, take better now than screw up =).
And thank you for your help buddy!
And type, that WM6 signature, it is recommended?
Thanks =)
i don't understand your problem with that.
that part is about the extrom, and whether you format the extrom during using the device does not matter, because it is only used after a hard reset. the extrom is a special hidden partition that contains cab files, provided by your carrier or the phone manufacturer, that are supposed to customize or brand the device after the initial start. since that is never used again and only contains crap in the first place, it is recommended to delete that partition and merge it to the storage space, to be able to install more stuff.
also, you should not be afraid to format any partition, because when you flash a new rom, you format the entire device anyways. if there is still stuff, you don't want to lose, you should make a backup asap.
also, in case that was misunderstood, that unlocking has nothing to do with sim-lock or anything.
Hmm, then this procedure is only if I want to increase the storage space? I could skip that part?
you could skip that part, but why would you want less storage space. you know, the gigantic ram partition is not there in any build above wm5, you only have 43mb of storage space, why not make it 60mb, it is more. that extrom partition cannot be accessed from a higher operating system, there is no advantage in keeping it. it could even result in problems, when installing the newer roms' extroms, because they are supposed to be on the sd card and for some people, they don't work, if they didn't take care of the old extrom first. and now is the only opportunity to do it. once wm 6.5 is flashed and you realize, you're running out of storage space, after installing internet explorer, office, .net framework, maybe another browser and your pim data, maybe an mp3 ringtone, you'd have to go back to wm2003, increase the storage size, and then flash wm6.5 back and install everything all over again.
so, extrom resizing:
PRO
+ significantly more space
+ faster running device
+ no problems with installing wm6.5 extrom
+ no old baggage which you cannot use
+ you will probably do it anyway, now it takes 3 minutes to do it
CON
- no downside here
i see that since you are a rather new member and probably don't know, what every little step is for, but i put that in the tutorial for a purpose, so people don't make the same mistake i made: to skip that and go to wm6 directly, i regretted it and had a lot of work going back and clearing out the mistakes done before. this is a one time only process, whenever you decide to flash another rom, you will only need to do the "upgrading a wm5/6 device part", which will take about 10-15minutes overall. also there is no need to worry, this process is completely reversible, whenever you feel uncomfortable with your custom rom and for any reason you want to get back to the factory defaults, you can do that, so you have nothing to lose here
i hope these were enough reasons for you to keep going and follow procedure
I deeply appreciate your explanation, now I just wait for rapidshare free slots that I could download the necessary files and try again an update, yes, I'm afraid of running out of equipment, I'll try it again ^ ^.
When I start the procedure again and any problem I may have or if God willing I can update I've been posting here.
Again for the help
How can I tell you, thank you for your explanation was fine, because I almost died here at the time that tava installing WM6, gave the fall of light, more then I redid the procedure and installed by a faster ^ ^.
Chef_Tony, taking advantage, you recommend me some programs or games? ^ ^
And to make the topic too, you understand the Audiovox smartphone? It is similar to the QTek, a client of mine has this machine that only the poor ta destruidinho, the touch and cracked his ex-owner tried to install WM6 on the device as it is not possible and now the device does not leave the screen colors, enter the serial screen and everything, only that it will be to recover from that?
Sorry for the inconvenience.
The model is the Audiovox PPC 6600.
Anyway, thank you for all patience and clear ^ ^!
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Interestingly, you can change the items on the Home screen? Why is a lot of things that do not use and would be interesting to place objects that use it '-', I liked the format, just do not like the items, just wanted to change items xD