just bought a TD2 yesturday and managed to flash dutty's holy grail r6.
I used to have the xperia and didn't like it. I'm having a similar feeling with the diamond 2; they both looked good on screen. I think its just Windows Mobile thats uncomfortable. Also, capacitive > resistive. The only reason i can remotely even use this phone is because of my fingerNAILS. When you use an iPod touch for over a year, you'll start to notice the difference of responsiveness.
Some questions I have; help is appreciated:
1) Word Mobile can't turn sideways to use the landscape keyboard? Is there a way to be able to make EVERYTHING go landscape (when i tilt the phone), including the homescreens? (xperia was able to when i slide out the keyboard)
2) Why are there those unnecessary up, down, left, right, arrow keys on the keyboard? I never use them and they have become hindrances. When I go on windows live messenger and use the landscape keyboard, I cant see what im typing because the keyboard takes up almost the whole screen.
3) Can i have more then 15 favorite contacts in the contacts grid tab? (i have manila 2.5)
4) Some of my songs are in another language, so their names are in blocks of letters (when i play them in the music player) instead of proper symbols (chinese, etc).
5) Even after upgrading to dutty's rom, the phone still feels sluggish (music player), SLOW, unresponsive at times. None of my above inquiries would be a problem if the phone was super fast; it would compensate for all faults.
arikado said:
just bought a TD2 yesturday and managed to flash dutty's holy grail r6.
I used to have the xperia and didn't like it. I'm having a similar feeling with the diamond 2; they both looked good on screen. I think its just Windows Mobile thats uncomfortable. Also, capacitive > resistive. The only reason i can remotely even use this phone is because of my fingerNAILS. When you use an iPod touch for over a year, you'll start to notice the difference of responsiveness.
Some questions I have; help is appreciated:
1) Word Mobile can't turn sideways to use the landscape keyboard? Is there a way to be able to make EVERYTHING go landscape (when i tilt the phone), including the homescreens? (xperia was able to when i slide out the keyboard)
2) Why are there those unnecessary up, down, left, right, arrow keys on the keyboard? I never use them and they have become hindrances. When I go on windows live messenger and use the landscape keyboard, I cant see what im typing because the keyboard takes up almost the whole screen.
3) Can i have more then 15 favorite contacts in the contacts grid tab? (i have manila 2.5)
4) Some of my songs are in another language, so their names are in blocks of letters (when i play them in the music player) instead of proper symbols (chinese, etc).
5) Even after upgrading to dutty's rom, the phone still feels sluggish (music player), SLOW, unresponsive at times. None of my above inquiries would be a problem if the phone was super fast; it would compensate for all faults.
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1. Download TD2 Tools, there is a G-Config menu that allows you to specify what rotates.
2. We lost navigation keys with the invent of the scroll bar so.... They got to be somewhere. Change your SIP will resolve this. I use Touch Pal.
3. No. 15 Comntracts is all you can load in teh contacts tab, however you can download Max Manila Themes which will give you 20 shortcuts on your home screen that can be assigned to additional contacts.
4. I know Dutty has language support but not sure how that works. Sorry.
5. I have no issues with this ROM other than the WM6.5 SMS slowdown bug.
I assume you have followed protocol and hard reset after flash?
When you first go to Pics or Music tab, it will be slow at first until everything caches.
Hope this helps. Once you check out max Manila Themes you'll be much happier.
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1. Download TD2 Tools, there is a G-Config menu that allows you to specify what rotates.
2. We lost navigation keys with the invent of the scroll bar so.... They got to be somewhere. Change your SIP will resolve this. I use Touch Pal.
3. No. 15 Comntracts is all you can load in teh contacts tab, however you can download Max Manila Themes which will give you 20 shortcuts on your home screen that can be assigned to additional contacts.
4. I know Dutty has language support but not sure how that works. Sorry.
5. I have no issues with this ROM other than the WM6.5 SMS slowdown bug.
I assume you have followed protocol and hard reset after flash?
When you first go to Pics or Music tab, it will be slow at first until everything caches.
Hope this helps. Once you check out max Manila Themes you'll be much happier.
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Thanks for the reply Bruce
1) I downloaded the TD2 tools, and added pocketword and wordpad to the whitelist in G-sensor. However, it doesnt work after reseting the phone and they disappear on the list when i go back to check. Same issue with "Enable touchflo3D in landscape".
2) is there another way to change the keyboard? one with unnescessary arrow keys (and other keys) and BIGGER qwerty but LESSER space taken up
5) Ahh, i just feel SO frustrated at the unresponsiveness of these phones. Even after upgrading to a nice rom (dutty's) i dont understand why WinMo is so uncomfortable to use.
Its ridiuclous to type with the onscreen keyboard, both portrait and landscape. Has anyone tried the Hero's? because its capacitive, it actually reads my fingers. I have to grow my fingernails to use this phone productively.
I bought this phone to use it's Word capabilities, calendar appointments, and live messenger, not to mention the very important SMS.
but each one of these has their own faults.
word wont rotate, calendar won't either, i cant see what im typing on messenger, and SMS is slow.
Its ABSURD.
Is there a way to delete or change something in the phone that makes the phone go FASTER? or rather the typing on the keyboard
Another ISSUE.....
Why on EARTH can't I play music (TouchFlo's music player) with the screen off (sleep mode)?? Once i press the power to sleep, the music stops.
If you want an good audio player that also allows you to turn off the screen, must you use Nitrogen.
Swype, instead, is a keyboard that has keys sufficiently large and it don't has the arrow keys.
luigug said:
If you want an good audio player that also allows you to turn off the screen, must you use Nitrogen.
Swype, instead, is a keyboard that has keys sufficiently large and it don't has the arrow keys.
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I like the HTC music player, and to not use other ones. Is there anyway to make the music player during sleep mode??
I'm also familiar with that Swype method but I'm really just interested in a normal qwerty keyboard with large, responsive keys that dont take up so much of the screen.
Thanks for the suggestions though
can you guys please help me? im really in the verge of selling this phone (but its hard to sell it)
However, with the stock rom wm 6.5, if you have setted the deactivation of pda after for example 1 minute, after this period the device will sleep and the htc player will continue to work.
For the input, you also can try Resco keyboard or the other lot of keyboards for wm.
The strength of winmo, unlike other operative systems, is that you can always find a solution to everything ...
Some quick comments:
4) If you are looking specifically for Chinese (CHT/CHS) I use a cab file found on XDA... do a quick search for "uhei00m-gray.cab" file and this should help you. Works well for Touch HD Leo ROMs and my wife's TD2's stock 6.5 ROM.
5) I have use dutty's Leo ROM in my Touch HD before, and the sluggish-ness is due to the Leo build (cover-flow). My wife's 6.5 stock rom (without cover flow) works find without any delay/sluggishness. Keep in mind, the Leo ROM was built for HD2 with has 1GHz CPU to handle the intense graphics.
2) Keyboard, I have been using the TD2 & THD keyboard without the need for finger nail. I think just like iPhone, it takes some time to ramp up (2-3 weeks) when I used it for a short-while.
Good luck, and I think the form factor for TD2 is great! (especially for my wife who cannot stand THD size).
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I really miss the previous On-Screen Keyboards as used in the Hermes Black Roms or Schaps, the ones with numeric keys along the top.
I searched for a OS Keyboard cab, found the perfect "skins" in Schaps thread but it killed the keyboard function entirely. I had to un-install and cold reset to restore it.
I was able to install JJ's Black Shadow Dialer cabs onto my Kaiser which work fine. (I'm using the std Non-Video dialer as I don't have video calling here).
I figure that if the dialer can be replaced with a cab that it should be even easier to have a replacement On-Screen Keyboard Cab.
Is this possible? Man I wish I was a programmer!
I put resco keyboard pro on mine and it works fine. You're right, that keyboard they have one there now sux, especially if you use it to write SMS's or anything else that you would use both text and numbers in.
To get numbers at the top just go to options and change keys from large to small
Oh Man what a knuckle head! One little setting, Thanks ID64! and you too xeno1, I'll check out keyboard pro as well.
I love this place!
if you like some skins for the keyboard, try thses, I have signed them, and they work on my Kaiser very well
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=329936
cheers
RemE said:
Oh Man what a knuckle head! One little setting, Thanks ID64! and you too xeno1, I'll check out keyboard pro as well.
I love this place!
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Yeah. As a noob I quite appreciate the free flow of info and help here.
I had seen the 'Large' and 'Small' options but had misinterpreted them as if the tiny little boxes for keys would get even tinier.
Thanks. That is so much better than constantly switching back and forth from numbers to letters!!
If you want an extremely impressive alternative, then try this: http://www.pocketcm.com/keyboard.php
It's in beta/trial at the moment, but it's a million times better for one-handed thumb-typing while you're on the move...
It's great, I asked for a black keyboard, now I have several skins, Resco's Pro, and PocketCM which is completely awesome.
Add-on Sleuth's app "Sipchange" to be able to pick your normal default keyboard choice and have it stick thru resets and life is GOOD!
xeno1 said:
I put resco keyboard pro on mine and it works fine. You're right, that keyboard they have one there now sux, especially if you use it to write SMS's or anything else that you would use both text and numbers in.
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I really like the new keyboard as keys are bigger. Much easier to use your bare hand to type. No need for a stylus anymore...
Sure that the numeric keypad is on another keyboard is sometime annoying but overall, th ability to use your finger is heaps better.
Jean-Yves
I don't know if everyone else has incredibly small fingers, but I had trouble using the on screen keyboard with my digits without pressing the wrong buttons all the time. Secondly, I found navigating with the Kaiser when docked in a car or a holder to be a complete bind. Trying to do something like a telephone call was way more difficult than my old Nokia 6230i
I just wanted to say that I am now finally happy with my Kaiser after doing the following 4 things:
Installing KaiserTweak and modifying settings such as TouchFlo sensitivity and backlight settings
Installing PointUI for finger based navigation
Installing PocketCM Contacts - This ties in nicely with PointUI's interface and filled in a feature that PointUI desperately lacked
Installing PocketCM Keyboard to stop my fat fingers pressing the wrong buttons.
I can now use my Kaiser completely from the screen without having to revert to the stylus or the keypad, which is very useful when it is docked somewhere like in the car.
I just wanted to let others know in case they were having the same problems as I had.
Regards,
Rob
I still use the slide out keyboard once and a while but I instead use the following:
spb Mobile Shell 2.0
Resco Keyboard (iPhone skin)
laakness said:
I still use the slide out keyboard once and a while but I instead use the following:
spb Mobile Shell 2.0
Resco Keyboard (iPhone skin)
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I wasn't aware of those products and they are definitely worth considering. The Resco keyboard appears to work in a very similar way to the PocketCM Keboard with a couple of added features as far as I can see.
also something to consider is the big start menu and long endkey.
and i use finger friendly friends instead of pocketcm contacts because it is alot faster.
the spb mobile shell works really good spb also has a onscreen keyboard that works pretty sweet
I've been sold by FFF. The speed and on screen keyboard accuracy is the best that I have seen for finger usage. If anyone has any other finger usability improvement programs they'd like to suggest free or to pay for I'd be interested in hearing about them.
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I've been sold by FFF. The speed and on screen keyboard accuracy is the best that I have seen for finger usage. If anyone has any other finger usability improvement programs they'd like to suggest free or to pay for I'd be interested in hearing about them.
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iContact is also very good. Takes of very little device memory unlike PocketCM and it's very easy to use. This one is free and is in the develop and hacking section. No need to install it either...just run the .exe from your phone.
i had FFF before until they promped me in registering... but i remember reading somewhere that the software was free during this time of development...
rfarnell said:
I don't know if everyone else has incredibly small fingers, but I had trouble using the on screen keyboard with my digits without pressing the wrong buttons all the time. Secondly, I found navigating with the Kaiser when docked in a car or a holder to be a complete bind. Trying to do something like a telephone call was way more difficult than my old Nokia 6230i
I just wanted to say that I am now finally happy with my Kaiser after doing the following 4 things:
Installing KaiserTweak and modifying settings such as TouchFlo sensitivity and backlight settings
Installing PointUI for finger based navigation
Installing PocketCM Contacts - This ties in nicely with PointUI's interface and filled in a feature that PointUI desperately lacked
Installing PocketCM Keyboard to stop my fat fingers pressing the wrong buttons.
I can now use my Kaiser completely from the screen without having to revert to the stylus or the keypad, which is very useful when it is docked somewhere like in the car.
I just wanted to let others know in case they were having the same problems as I had.
Regards,
Rob
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does anyone have point ui cab?
ChInEsE ChIcKeN said:
does anyone have point ui cab?
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It's easy enough to find the blue and black style cab's here: http://www.pointui.com/Home.aspx
so let me get this straight this is something just like spb mobile shell?
i thought it was like a plug in allowing the navigation of the device it self to be more finger friendly...
is there anything like that?
here is my combo.
touchpal pro (keyboard)
thumb cal (calander)
PocketCM (Contacts)
Asus Launcher (Start Menu)
Touch Cube (Quick Access to stuff)
THis will keep you finger frindly.
AllTheWay said:
iContact is also very good. Takes of very little device memory unlike PocketCM and it's very easy to use. This one is free and is in the develop and hacking section. No need to install it either...just run the .exe from your phone.
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Wow, iContact is awesome. Blows the stock one away!
Simplicity for Efficiency
Hi all,
You could add s.l.i. ThumbCal in your list...
And for all big fingers and others PointUI addicts , you can get a lot of third softs skins in this thread.
any links to where to get the cabs?
S2P
Slide2Play is also a nice music player for your fingers...
i am especially interested in the touch keyboard
Dialer Skin only
ChInEsE ChIcKeN said:
i am especially interested in the touch keyboard
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Any dialer Skin Only?
rfarnell said:
I've been sold by FFF. The speed and on screen keyboard accuracy is the best that I have seen for finger usage.
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Yeah, I love the scroll speed on this app. Can anyone tell me why other apps and Windows Mobile itself has to be so sluggish when little 3rd party efforts like this and Pointui work so much faster??
i have already tried FFF and didnt like it much. SPB contacts work the sameway and the buttons are bigger...
i am still interested in the touch keyboard...
I tried PocketCM but it didn't work as well as I'd hoped. The problem -- for me anyway -- was that if I wanted a letter like "r" I'd have my finger over it but it's so sensitive that the act of lifting my finger would trigger an adjacent letter and I'd get that instead.
Hello all, I work for Orange and hopefully will get preferential rates when its released (hopefully early July)
1)I REALLY hope Orange don't put their home screen on instead of the touchflo3d...that would be a really big mistake
2)BATTERY LIFE! I'm thinking...Anyway of linking clicking Opera app to enabling 3G? Maybe making a custom shortcut containing the reg change for 3g on + opening browser? Or is this me being a little too hopeful/ignorant?
3)Music player: Apparently, to all intents and purposes, not that great. Are there any players 3rd party available that are any good? Music playing is something I like the idea of but I don't deal with album art at all so I'm stuck if I use the default.
4)Instant Messaging;
I know WM supports Windows Live, but does it easily support the 640x480 screen? I've heard some 3rd party apps go a bit funny on it (same in fact with the music player)
Also, what is the status with the xs in the top right these days? I had a SPV M700 and x just minimised. You could get a software mod for the x to close, but I'm going to want to be running IM on a fairly regular occasion, obviously multitasking. Is there a "minimise key" mod? To make more similar to desktop experience?
5)I predominantly text, how am I going to find the touch keyboard? It was SO awkward on my M700, is the keyboard functionality/touch sensetivity much improved?
OK Thankyou all in advance,
qpop
qpop said:
Hello all, I work for Orange and hopefully will get preferential rates when its released (hopefully early July)
5)I predominantly text, how am I going to find the touch keyboard? It was SO awkward on my M700, is the keyboard functionality/touch sensetivity much improved?
OK Thankyou all in advance,
qpop
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I cant help much but in response to the question above, I find the texting overall is pretty good on the Touch Diamond.
Im a texter to and ive used lots of Windows Mobiles in the past and can safely say that the Phone Keypad and Also Full Qwerty are excellent. The Phone Keypad is what I use the most when texting etc and its brilliant.
I dont often type things incorrectly but the downside is, with all touch screen phones ive used so far, that sometimes it doesnt keep up and i do find that when I press the space button it doesnt register (or I dont push the button exactly so it doesnt register more like) but the whole experience, overall, feels good when texting.
Also you have to be careful when texting and then choosing a word in the T9 system as it will repeat the word if you press the wrong part of the screen or it will insert the word in the middle of another word.
This is something im doing less and less of now as ive got used to the sensitivity of the screen so all good.
Best so far on a purely touchscreen Windows Mobile Device. Nice one HTC!
Hi All..
Can you share which one do you prefer?
Touch-IT 5.05 RC2 (OR) Touch-IT 21202 WM6.5 RC1 ?
wat a good question u asked ther. for me, really really hard to decide.
wm6.5 got nice n smooth interface but cant get touch hd camera driver n all rhodium nice stuff.
wm6.1 v5.04 got all nice stuff n nice to cope with daily usage which mean more practical usage everyday.
in da end, i still choose wm6.1 v5.04 better la.. i feel like it got better ram management as it loads opera instantly from ram. more practical.
touch hd camera also provide better low light shooting. auto forus all da time also nicer.
besides ts.. u should make this thread as poll rather than ask like that.
I love Touch-IT v5...cant imagine me converting to the 6.5 rom...though I have never tried it.
Maybe I will if I have some spare time.
although 6.5 looks really nice, I'm gonna hold the update till the final version is released.
today, 5.04 works nicely, no problems at all after aplying the fixes found in the thread and very much better than the (really lite) stock rom-
Can't decide
I'm undecided... Its like I'm caught between two lovers... Personally I find the latest 6.5 ROM to be much better with RAM management, but like devalian said, the 6.1 ROM is much better for daily usage.
I was honestly expecting a lot more bugs in the 6.5 ROM but it actually worked exceptionally well. For those who haven't tried 6.5, I suggest you try it, those who haven't tried the latest 6.1, I suggest you try that also, either way, you can't loose.
lolz honestly mate i just got my phone tday and im on 4th rom ,and out of all those, and judging only on first impresions i like 6.5 i know there are bugs and stuff but nothing deal breaking ill keep the 6.5 for a while.
I am torn between my iPhone and Xperia X1. I want to switch my daily working phone from iPhone to X1 but the bugs in WM6.5 keeps me switches back to iPhone.
I am not a big fan of TouchFlow, the email envelop of the touchflow turned me off.
I prefer wm6.5. so far with wm6.5 RC1, the phone is fast (fast in scrolling, screan orientation..and others) and the battery can last longer (2 days).
However, I like the Opera browser in touch it 5.05 because it has a slider touch to change the zoom level and it has vibration feedback when clicking the link.
Until now, I have no idea why the opera browser in 5.05 different from others.
kluks said:
I am torn between my iPhone and Xperia X1. I want to switch my daily working phone from iPhone to X1 but the bugs in WM6.5 keeps me switches back to iPhone.
I am not a big fan of TouchFlow, the email envelop of the touchflow turned me off.
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give me 1 reason why you swith to iphone????
ive been using 6.5 for a while now and it seems realy stable to me
jibran said:
give me 1 reason why you swith to iphone????
ive been using 6.5 for a while now and it seems really stable to me
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1. The phone canvas is too dark and the touch keypad is too small I can't use it outdoors
2. When the phone is in lock mode any incoming phone call will make the phone not responding
3. battery life is short ( might be a bug in the software, I charged the phone to full before went to bed, in the morning I checked the battery it is still full so far so good, I then used the phone lightly just view emails and made a couple of short calls, bluetooth and wifi is off. During lunch hour I checked the battery again it was 50% already. with the stock rom I normally use the phone for 3-4 days under the same usage)
kluks said:
1. The phone canvas is too dark and the touch keypad is too small I can't use it outdoors
2. When the phone is in lock mode any incoming phone call will make the phone not responding
3. battery life is short ( might be a bug in the software, I charged the phone to full before went to bed, in the morning I checked the battery it is still full so far so good, I then used the phone lightly just view emails and made a couple of short calls, bluetooth and wifi is off. During lunch hour I checked the battery again it was 50% already. with the stock rom I normally use the phone for 3-4 days under the same usage)
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Then use the stockrom
In my opinion the WM6.5 Touch-it is far superior. im loving it at the moment
Im not a manila fan so i go for wm6.5 rom.
I find TF3D boring, not appealing and troublesome to add program 1 by 1.
Why? The flip clock is always there with [Call history and Calendar] which coulnt be changed. I prefer it to be something like CommManger or MSN or something else. 3days and I getting bored already. Moreover you can only change the background image for Home screen tab and not others. Although there's something floating around the forum which let you change every wallpaper of the tab, i find it troublesome (yes im lazy) and not attractive. Its still the same ol tab just with different background. *Manila fans will hate me for sure
So i go for WM6.5 with something new - (Titanium) home screen & menu. Adding a weather & Windows Live tab to home screen, changed the honeycomb column, install some basic need program and my device is ready for use.
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dancemacabre said:
Im not a manila fan so i go for wm6.5 rom.
I find TF3D boring, not appealing and troublesome to add program 1 by 1.
Why? The flip clock is always there with [Call history and Calendar] which coulnt be changed. I prefer it to be something like CommManger or MSN or something else. 3days and I getting bored already. Moreover you can only change the background image for Home screen tab and not others. Although there's something floating around the forum which let you change every wallpaper of the tab, i find it troublesome (yes im lazy) and not attractive. Its still the same ol tab just with different background. *Manila fans will hate me for sure
So i go for WM6.5 with something new - (Titanium) home screen & menu. Adding a weather & Windows Live tab to home screen, changed the honeycomb column, install some basic need program and my device is ready for use.
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So you're saying it could actually function for everyday use? I was under the impression the ROM was more or less ment as a preview for 6.5. I didn't realise there were versions of winmo 6.5 floating around which could actually be used
Does stuff like ms exchange, mail syncing, work on winmo 6.5? Do apps made for winmo 6.1 work on 6.5 aswell?
Magger said:
So you're saying it could actually function for everyday use? I was under the impression the ROM was more or less ment as a preview for 6.5. I didn't realise there were versions of winmo 6.5 floating around which could actually be used
Does stuff like ms exchange, mail syncing, work on winmo 6.5? Do apps made for winmo 6.1 work on 6.5 aswell?
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Yes, I've been using this ROM for everyday use since it came out (only annoying thing is answering the phone when it's on keylock)
MS Exchange works (mail, calender, contacts)
Most apps work fine, some show minor glitches (in PIM BackUp it's impossible to deselect messagefolders for backup)
Lokatho said:
Yes, I've been using this ROM for everyday use since it came out (only annoying thing is answering the phone when it's on keylock)
MS Exchange works (mail, calender, contacts)
Most apps work fine, some show minor glitches (in PIM BackUp it's impossible to deselect messagefolders for backup)
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The phone thing is actually a big downfall for me, by keylock do you mean tabbing the upper button or keeping the lock key pressed?
Magger said:
The phone thing is actually a big downfall for me, by keylock do you mean tabbing the upper button or keeping the lock key pressed?
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I think he meant the keylock by software where you have to slide to unlock. I do think the keylock(slider) not too perfect at the moment.... and I don't use it.
Hi everyone. Heres my problem:
- I have a tytn with custom rom. Yesm i have tried countless of them and none seems to fix this issue. Everytime i switch my phone to landscape (open keyboard) the display goes funny, showing half screen and other menus only show their titles. Any ideas?
I'm going to guess you are using M2D? If so then M2D was ported from a phone with no hardware keyboard so that's why not all tabs show and the display is half screen on homescreen...
I may be totally wrong as not alot to go on
I used bhars, shifu, RED, Pqap (or something like that) and many other, including M2D yes. It seems to be a problem with the the TouchFlo software. Last night i flashed it with Tilt original ROM and it works perfectly, maybe because theres no Touchflo? Isnt there a way of having my touchflo working perfectly? On any ROM?
No as said above it's ported from a device without a hardware keyboard so as been hacked for landscape, with all the functionality it brings in portrait and the looks too it's something we don't fess about
Oh, it was touchflo 3d. Just figured that Tytn 2 has a problem with video drivers, hence the visual problems. Im at the moment using the software of Tytn 1 (which doesnt have a touchflo 3d). But thanks for the fast replies =).