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WM6 Programming Question

This is my first post, so to all of you out there, my name is Joe and I have been following this forum since I decided on buying an ATT Tilt (Kaiser) and you all have been a tremendous help in a lot of decisions I made with my phone.
Now onto the question at hand, I have some programming knowledge in the world of computers (C++, VB, etc...) but I was wondering the differences in trying to make a program for my phone. If someone can direct me to maybe a tutorial or another post that might help me, please do (I looked but couldn't find anything), I would like to start giving back to the forum that helped me out.

There isn't much difference between C++ and VB in general, just some prefer the less strict 'grammar' in VB and some prefer the clear 'grammar' in C++. Speed wise, if you were to be using M$'s classes, both ought to be the same, while if you were to write in pure C++ native language, C ought to be better compiled.
Another alternative would be the .Net thing. If I'm right (haven't been really using one), is a class package for both VB and C+ which seemingly make it easier to program.
Depends on what you have (i.e. the programming software), if you were to have Visual Studio 2003+ (or later, no sure), you can download the WM6 SDK, which includes tutorial on how to get started.

Well what I have on hand right now...nothing at all...I'm at work at the moment and in my freetime here would like to work on a few things, I've been analyzing some other pieces of software since I posted this and noticed the use of XML files for the setup.
I have no preference in what language I use (hell one I don't know yet would work for me...knowledge is a blessing in IT). Just wish to be able to take some of the programs I use at the moment (ex HTC Home, BatteryStatus) add a little more functionality for my own personal use since I really don't feel like copyright lawsuits.
Basically Hanmin, I guess it just boils down to what would you suggest to use with the available "tools" at hand or suggestions, I'm up for anything, new to this game, I figured I would get wisdom from the pros here to make myself useful in my downtime

"There isn't much difference between C++ and VB in general," - now there's a statement to launch a major debate! But I'll resist the temptation and move on to a more constructive response - PPL. PPL (Pocket Programming Language) is a great little package which gives you an IDE for developing pocket pc apps in a C like language on either the pocket pc itself or on a pc. Read about it and get a free trial download here:
http://www.arianesoft.ca/

How to program?

Hi,
I have an easy question...^^
How can I program programs for my phone?
Is there anywhere a tutorial or something like that?
Or are all of you just very high skilled programmer?
I'm very interested in programming, but I only handl Java and php..
I hope someone of you can explain me where I can learn this =)
Greetings
Chris
PS:I hope I posted this in the right section...^^
PPS: I'm from Germany so I'm sorry for any mistake in my sentences and I hope there is also a German programmer who can show me a tutorial on German, but English is also OK.

I asked this question a few months back and no one helped. Here is what I have been able to find on my own:
To program for your Windows Mobile device you need Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Standard edition or later. That is an expensive development program. If you buy that program, you can download a Windows Mobile plugin for free that includes an emulator for debugging.
I personally refuse to shell out tons of cash for the ability to program for my phone for personal use. I have not been able to locate anywhere on the internet even the slightest hint of a way that I can write a program for my phone with open source or free software. I use notepad++ and g++ for my coding needs so I was really hoping for a way to program using only these tools with perhaps an additional library.
Speaking of libraries, open gl es is open gl for embedded devices such as your Raphael. I have been unable to find an open gl es tutorial that does not involve buying Visual Studio.
If anyone can find anything else, please post here.

I've used C# and C\C++ to write programs for Pocket PC\Windows Mobile. Java I believe you can use with limited functionality (not the same as on the web). Php is a web langange I believe??

Are you using C++ via Microsoft Visual Studio, or do you know how to compile mobile programs without dropping money in Microsoft's bank?

@Chunkyeggfoo
I know that php is for the web
I only wanted to show, that im not a totally noob in programming ^^
But my question was: Where do you learned this? Did you have an online tutorial, or from school? Or somewhere else...from a book maybe?

Here is one answer to the question.
http://www.codeproject.com/KB/mobile/WiMoSansVS.aspx
I have never followed this guide because I use Visual Studio 2008. I started programming using visual basic .net (VERY EASY TO LEARN). Later, I wanted to write applications for the today screen and I needed to learn C++ and the win32 API. (NOT FUN!!!) The good news is that I have several programs that I use on my today screen including weather, calendar, battery monitor, task switcher, music player and an alarm. It has taken me about a year to become pretty proficient. NOTE: when you move from managed code (.net framework) to unmannaged code (C++, win32) you have to be VERY careful to properly manage device memory or you will end up with memory leaks.
I've attached a picture of my today screen to illustrate the possibilities.
Have fun
Edit
You can also download evc4 and the evc4.sp4 from the following links.
http://www.download.com/Microsoft-eMbedded-Visual-C-/3000-2212_4-10108490.html
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...F4-91D3-4DBE-986E-A812984318E5&displaylang=en
This will be a very powerful tool but probably very hard to learn too...

Check out this thread. It has lots of info.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=445396

You can take a C++ programming class at most community colleges (not state or UC, ie very expensive). im currently taking the pre req that will allow me to take it next semester.

I think,the simpliest way is the Basic4PPC(Basic for PocketPC). Use Google and search for it.

programming
i guess the best way is learn C#, i'm a visual basic programmer and the best app you can do with it is database app, if you want to do more powerful app for your phone is better to learn C#
i'm learning c# right now

try these two
http://www.smorgasbordet.com/pellesc/
http://trajectorylabs.com/win32.html

[.NET] will i ever be able to use it?

ive been messing around with VB.net lately, and was kinda wondering if i could make an app for my phone (Hero CDMA) with it.

visual basic I don't think so. Android is mostly in java, but I believe I read somewhere that you can use c++ now. But not VB

There's an android mono project, but I think its still a ways off from being stable enough to do any serious work in.
www {dot} koushikdutta {dot} com/search/label/Mono
(replace the {dot}s with .)

I don't think koush has done much for MONO .Net on Android in a while. He's been off on Clockwork stuff. But I don't think it will happen with a good stable version any time soon.
If I where you and you really want to write apps for the phone, take your VB skillz and look at a C# project. Then look at Java. C# is a bastardizaion of Java and C - so you could at least get a fell for it with C#.
However, you could do the SMART thing, drop VB in all and Check out JAVA on its own. It's a good language if you need your program to run on your phone, bluray player, mp3 player, radio, blender, Coffee pot, and Margarita machine.
I like Java ok, but I am a bigger fan of C++ - its where you really need to start if you want to be a programmer in the long term.

Help an old programmer out...

I haven't really done anything on the programming side of things since VB6.0. Learned a bit of C once upon a time, but never really got anywhere.
Can any of you fine Devs here point me in the right directions to begin learning how to program for Android? Remember, please, that I will likely have to unlearn some things, and that I have ZERO JAVA experience. I would love to be able to make some apps to fill gaps that I see in the market.
I am running on a dual boot lappy with Win Vista and Linux Mint 10(Ubuntu derivative). Links or pointers to what I need for both sides will be welcomed and appreciated.

im reading hello android v3 and its great so far.. ive also been going thru android source.. download the android sdk and eclipse for linux and or windows.. i prefer linux as does most devs. ive also registered for night time java classes at the local community college for 13 bucks a semester. anyways goodluck!

This might be helpful for basic syntax stuff.

Start with fattire's link and pick up the Java basics. To read Android examples, you'll need to understand how Classes and Interfaces work as well as how to extend and implement them, respectively. You'll also want to understand inner classes and anonymous inner classes. Understand variable scoping in classes.
Learn how threads work. Understand the implications of multithreading and reentrance. Experiment a lot in simple, stand-alone samples.
Once you've gotten started with Java, you can download Eclipse and the Android SDK. Here's the Android "Hello World" tutorial, which is a reasonable place to start. It has pointers to everything you'll need.
http://developer.android.com/guide/tutorials/hello-world.html
Android Applications are pretty straightforward once you understand the basics... AppWidgets and Services are less so. The trick is to understand the lifecycle of each -- where and when it's appropriate to do what sorts of work and how to communicate results between different components. It will be rough going in the beginning with a fair amount of crashing as you discover you're taking too long to do something that really should be offloaded to a different part of the lifecycle or a whole new thread -- or when you discover you can't do something you want, directly, because you lack the parts and have to send a message to something that does have all the parts.
My first project was a simple button on the home screen that, in effect, runs a few commands. It took me more than a week to make it work properly, and I was already familiar with Java.
Also understand that some of the examples floating around -- even those from Google employees -- are old and that Android has had some growing pains. Double check the approach suggested by anything that's older than a year. The SDK contains sample programs that make for decent cookbook code.

thanks to all of you...as well as the mod who moved the thread to the correct spot...wasn't sure if this was the correct one.

Hello android (as mentioned above) is awesome! Another good one is Beginning Android 2. Both found here:]
Hello Android
Beginning Android

mobile view on webtop

ok as you are aware motorola have a closed source app called mobile view,
My aim is to reverse engineer it to see if we can port it to other distros i.e like gentop / debian.
PROGRESS:
i have already somewhat worked out and have (with errors) a fully working debian wheezy running with some of the webtop apps working and a few errors, I.e sound not working
i have so far got the fact of the program is called aiw it is launched via aiw -d on boot of webtop, In the start-webtop-1.sh script .
i've located all the files it uses to run i can also see the fact it is wrote in c (c assembly to be precise) .
TO DO:
I should have some what of a base code of it by the end of next week. I've learnt alot about the webtop in the last month and i am continuing to learn it till i know it inside and out.
Also i will be started a git repo later for some of my other work
I.e the full debian wheezzy with gnome and gnome panel working on boot
i don't know how to make it into an easy install so help would be nice on that
If any of you wish to help with this then please let me know its not for the faint hearted also mods if you have a problem with this then please let me know / remove the post.
MOD EDIT:
This dude is looking for folks to help him reverse engineer mobile view, a closed source application on the Atrix, for porting it to gentoo or debian. Hopefully he will edit his thread and use some commas or bullets!
MY EDIT:
I Have re-edited it with commas and full stops and capital letters i'm sorry if some of you were unable to read / understand this
MOD EDIT:
I added some badly needed formatting Good luck!

First step is find a keyboard with punctuation symbols on it so you can communicate with the rest of the development community. After that all things are possible.

sorry i do personally suck at grammer

Trying to read this made me mad. :/
Sent from my MB860 using XDA App

Op has serious development intent. Let's try to keep it on topic now that things have been edited.

there we go edited

I'd very much love to see this happen for a couple reasons
1. I imagine this could be used with a linux based PC to run AIW?
2. We could **** all dependency holding like we do in the current ubuntu setups and have a no-break upgradable linux OS.

Little side bit, though might provide incite as to why some apps have issues
Been looking into VNC server on web-top on my How Too in the general section and as I was working on it I noticed that the ported moto applications such as firfox aiw awn and a few others only function only in the adas hdmi environment such as DISPLAY=:0 as set up by a few scripts in /etc/init.d I was wondering as you mess with your development on this if you manage to find out how to set X to share for Xvnc to utilize or can point me in the right set of files to look at I would appreciate it.
-DjAzin

Djazin said:
Little side bit, though might provide incite as to why some apps have issues
Been looking into VNC server on web-top on my How Too in the general section and as I was working on it I noticed that the ported moto applications such as firfox aiw awn and a few others only function only in the adas hdmi environment such as DISPLAY=:0 as set up by a few scripts in /etc/init.d I was wondering as you mess with your development on this if you manage to find out how to set X to share for Xvnc to utilize or can point me in the right set of files to look at I would appreciate it.
-DjAzin
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aiw and firefox will run in any enviroment there is some security policy's that were set by motorola that only allow certain process to run / access certain files and would autokill things that it it didnt think should be running and shouldnt be running by a certain user ie adas is the only user allowed to start awn and firefox if you try starting it from root it will kill it straight away i will find out the commnds i used to disable this amd post it up later i,m currently out and about atm and not near my computer