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Alternative to Manilla TF2D?

I have been using the Manilla Touch Flo 2D interface on my Tilt. When I first installed it (about a month ago) I absolutely loved it. I have installed several different themes, and it's pretty nice to look at.
However, I just can't stand the fact that it doesn't support landscape. Let's face it, the big attraction that lead most of us to purchase our Tilts (Kaisers, whatever) is the fact that it has a keyboard (or a tilting screen, which isn't possible without the keyboard slid out). So the fact that TF2D doesn't support landscare is extremely limiting.
Not to mention it's kind of buggy, and sluggish. But the lack of landscape support is really proving to be the deal breaker for me. I use my device in landscape mode more than portrait mode.
So what do you guys think is a good alternative for me? I used SPB Mobile Shell a few years ago on my PPC-6700 when mobile Shell was first released (I'm sure there is a new and better version of it out now, I used the very first version), and it was okay. How is it now? Or is there anything else?
I'm hoping to have something finger friendly, works in landscape, doesn't bog the device down (sluggish), and maybe even something that allows custom skins.
I see the hackers are working on porting TF3D, and it supports landscape. But it is early on in the porting process, and still sluggish and buggy. Is there a finished product yet that can compete?

Mobile shell has come leaps and bounds in the last 2 versions. When 2.0 came out it was almost a copy of HTC home. A lot of people prefer HTC home anyway. Before M2D I used mobile shell. As soon as T3D is functional I will be headed that direction. The graphics are amazing.

As i don't use the htc audio manager / picture viewer, manila tf2d makes no sense for me. I use Pointui with a custom made xml. works perfectly (well, nearly )

landscape is fixed by Mbarvian, it's not the fasted way but it's working.
also on the PDAcornerUltimate V5 Landscape manilla2d is working with the tabs.

rohithathie said:
landscape is fixed by Mbarvian, it's not the fasted way but it's working.
also on the PDAcornerUltimate V5 Landscape manilla2d is working with the tabs.
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Where is Manilla working with the tabs in landscape? Is it a skin I need to install or a new version of Manilla?

Try Throttle Launcher.

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Try Throttle Launcher.
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i 2nd that

mrphatpat said:
i 2nd that
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x3!
It looks cool

I'll have to recommend PointUI 1.51a. In my experience, it's the smoothest running interface, and it replaces the rubbish WM task bar & ugly settings menu system (if you tell it to).
It works great in landscape and allows easy access to many functions. It takes minimal configuring, and looks all right. Not very customisable though, so if you like changing themes & tweaking etc, it may not be your favourite.

rohithathie said:
landscape is fixed by Mbarvian, it's not the fasted way but it's working.
also on the PDAcornerUltimate V5 Landscape manilla2d is working with the tabs.
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SaltyDawg said:
Where is Manilla working with the tabs in landscape? Is it a skin I need to install or a new version of Manilla?
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you really need to check it out, although I am still running V4 of PDAcornerUltimate after two weeks , it is a very stable rom, I have read that version 7 is out and is all so very fast and stable, well worth trying out...
(27 Oct 08) PDACornerUltimate.V7-20921|HTCCA D3D|M2D|New Improvements
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=428261

WAD for the win. By miles.

i used pointui for a while but the battery drain was unacceptable. if battery was not an issue pointui would be my choice. however, i use manila2d right now. spb pocket plus is useful and customizable, but doesnt have any flashy animations if that is what you are looking for.

rohithathie said:
landscape is fixed by Mbarvian, it's not the fasted way but it's working.
also on the PDAcornerUltimate V5 Landscape manilla2d is working with the tabs.
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Yeah I checked that out but it is really only the home and weather tabs that actually work in landscape...
Unless he has a newer version that isn't on the first page of the main Manilla skins thread.

Wlofea said:
WAD for the win. By miles.
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i loved that, but it frooze too much

throttle launcher v9.6 should be out soon, i recommend using throttle launcher

Zoom Bar on WM6.5 with manila

udK's Rom without Manilaand Tom's Rom did have a working zoom bar, but now udK's Rom WITH manila doesn't have the working zoom bar anymore. Apparently none of the Roms with WM6.5 and Manila does have a working zoom bar anymore? Did anybody find a solution yet on this?

Actually Shadowline's WM6.5 ROM with Manila works. Zoombar works in Album, aswell in Opera.. maybe he know's the solution.
I think it's just a registry tweak that we need to enable...

Must have looked over it: udK has got a fix for his WM6.5 rom with manila in the first post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=524224
Don't know if this is working for other Roms too.

Actually..
Actually, it works in both my roms and in l3v5y's. What it is, is TouchFlo (the scrolling, not the plugin) isn't 6.5 ready, but is required for the zoom bar to work. But a edited biotouch.dll fixes that along with disabling touchflo.

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Actually, it works in both my roms and in l3v5y's. What it is, is TouchFlo (the scrolling, not the plugin) isn't 6.5 ready, but is required for the zoom bar to work. But a edited biotouch.dll fixes that along with disabling touchflo.
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In the official WM6.5 Topaz ROMs (2.01, 2.02 and whatever the next one will be) there is an updated biotouch.dll which provides only the ZoomBar, and not the finger scrolling. This means you lose fingerscrolling in applications that don't support the native WM6.5 scrolling, but you also lose all the weird bugs with TouchFlo messing things up...

WM 6.5 Build 23022 New UI (11-Aug-09)

There is a new WM6.5 build 23022 with new UI
Check this out!!!
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=6625
More Screen shots
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=6672
Video
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=6713

nice that they are making changes to it. hope its not just another skin modification or something

Hi
Aleluya,
it is your time to put the Ok button
down, it's easier .....
Thank you for the info!

I don't like this new UI,top and bot bars are increased and for Manila this is not a good things,HTC Task Manager icon is covered from the clock,MS moved left softkey to the middle and this way home screen became ugly...
I try this 23022 on my HD but i moved back to 23017 in 5 minutes...I hope MS will complete the new UI with a better look,IMHO,now,this is not the right way.

Which ROM base on Build 23022? i want to try

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I don't like this new UI,top and bot bars are increased and for Manila this is not a good things,HTC Task Manager icon is covered from the clock,MS moved left softkey to the middle and this way home screen became ugly...
I try this 23022 on my HD but i moved back to 23017 in 5 minutes...I hope MS will complete the new UI with a better look,IMHO,now,this is not the right way.
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I can agree with you that it is not the prettiest of changes, however the fact that they are changing the UI proves that they have finally realized that the UI looks crap

Go here...at the end of the first post, there are 2 TEST versions
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=493911

Thanks for the ROM Miri
Is this build not stable yet? Why is it Test version?

Because of the graphic glitches. If you have time test it and you will see what's going to come
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Thanks for the ROM Miri
Is this build not stable yet? Why is it Test version?
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That looks nice OK button was always a big problem for me it's to small and it's too damn far away from the thumbs when you operate with one hand.It's not maybe the best solution but definetly an improvement I don't want to try it cause it's too early version but what happens to the task button? I see that the clock is there so it's removed ?

hey miri is it gonna be a non-manila v or we wait 4 a stable build coz this one seems nice alot visual changes

Nope, 23022 is not ready for daily usage, we have to wait a little more
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hey miri is it gonna be a non-manila v or we wait 4 a stable build coz this one seems nice alot visual changes
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23022 and Manilla 2.5
Miri - I am big user of your Manilla 2.5 ROMs. Please share when you think you will drop a 23022 build combined with Manilla 2.5. Keep up the good work!

Now the important problem is manila 2.5 is not stable! not the WM6.5 if you dont use manila, you can enjoy the new version of WM.
But I think microsoft is not creative. HTC had made the WM more easy-operative and better apparence.
So, it is not microsoft but HTC which should optimize their work.

i really hate Window 6.5 UI. Just look and see at the home screen the top and bottom bar are transparent but when u go into setting or sms for example they turn into black. It's really baadddddddddddd . That's the reason why i choose to stay with 6.1 rom until now

mitut said:
i really hate Window 6.5 UI. Just look and see at the home screen the top and bottom bar are transparent but when u go into setting or sms for example they turn into black. It's really baadddddddddddd . That's the reason why i choose to stay with 6.1 rom until now
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Absolutely right

I really like the new WM6.5 UI. It is a definite improvement from WM6.1, despite the fact that I don't really like a 100% Touch interface. I like using my stylus too but this is in WM6.5 not an issue.
What I don't like is Manila. How can I disable it completely? I am not talking about Touch Flo but about Manila. I want to have the original WM6.5 experience...

There are soime rom called super light here where u can get only 6.5 experience without manila. But as i talked above u should stay with 6.1 because u will get dissappointed with 6.5 right after u use it

petvas said:
I really like the new WM6.5 UI. It is a definite improvement from WM6.1, despite the fact that I don't really like a 100% Touch interface. I like using my stylus too but this is in WM6.5 not an issue.
What I don't like is Manila. How can I disable it completely? I am not talking about Touch Flo but about Manila. I want to have the original WM6.5 experience...
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if yo want to disable manila goto settings->today->items and uncheck "TouchFlo 3D"
if you want to get the original wm6.5 experience you have to enable titanium which is microsofts new "desktop". you can enable it under settings->today->items and tick "Windows default".

This is the merge of MD (maldives) and Com3.
There are definitely many issues with the number of changes made and many of the new UI updates have no real skinned assets.
However, there are some fixes in 23022 and the native 480x800 resources help (the themes included also have reg settings which need to be applied).
X button replacements like HTC TaskManager have some issues, as do the Notification managers and enlarge start menu services.
MS is in the progress of transitioning the notification UI to the confetti plus engine (the HW accelerated, XML/CPR driven engine that runs the start menu)
Knowing Miri, he will likely have a stable build up by the end of the weekend.

Do Any TF3D2 (Manilla 2.5) Roms work in Landscape?

Ive been messing around, got one rom that works partially in landscape although glitches on a few imput fields.
The NRG roms seem most stable, but only the ones with original TF3D
Anyone have any thoughts on a good rom that I will be able to do the most with landscape wise? Basically just imput fields, texting, etc.

I swear to God if i see one more thread about this...... Manila 2.5 DOES NOT WORK IN LANDSCAPE. Its not the ROM its the Manila from HTC. The only screens that work is pictures and music.

Bxsteez said:
I swear to God if i see one more thread about this...... Manila 2.5 DOES NOT WORK IN LANDSCAPE. Its not the ROM its the Manila from HTC. The only screens that work is pictures and music.
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How about for texting and web browsing? I would think those are separate then from the Manilla UI.
What about the ROMS that have SENSE UI? Is that just a "skin" or will the UI work in landscape with the similar feel of Manilla?

The Sense UI now extends to Manila 2.1 and those do have landscape. The 2.5 versions doesn't have landscape. The Sense UI that is related to manila is still manila and only works in landscape on 2.1. If you are referring to skins that modify pointui or spb mobile those are just skins. Texting outside of manila should have landscape and so should opera.

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The Sense UI now extends to Manila 2.1 and those do have landscape. The 2.5 versions doesn't have landscape. The Sense UI that is related to manila is still manila and only works in landscape on 2.1. If you are referring to skins that modify pointui or spb mobile those are just skins. Texting outside of manila should have landscape and so should opera.
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Ok thanks! I really like the weather clock and the way the email feels in manilla 2.5.

NRG Photon Rom has the Weather Clock

I have accepted the landscape problem with 2.5 since this version of manilla first emerged, but it has always puzzled me. My understanding is that 2.5 is basically for the HD2/Leo, right? So does this mean that the HD2 does not have landscape for manilla tabs (other than pics and music)?
In all the video reviews of the HD2 I have seen to date, none actually show the reviewer rotating the phone on the homescreen.
I have never cooked a ROM so perhaps this is a dumb question....but if any chefs can shed some light on why it does not work I would be grateful.
Thanks

chrisrj28 said:
NRG Photon Rom has the Weather Clock
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yeah but its not the same as, the LEO for instance, where the cloiuds come from all over the screen, or the moonlight beams in from the corner of the device

scdoyle said:
I have accepted the landscape problem with 2.5 since this version of manilla first emerged, but it has always puzzled me. My understanding is that 2.5 is basically for the HD2/Leo, right? So does this mean that the HD2 does not have landscape for manilla tabs (other than pics and music)?
In all the video reviews of the HD2 I have seen to date, none actually show the reviewer rotating the phone on the homescreen.
I have never cooked a ROM so perhaps this is a dumb question....but if any chefs can shed some light on why it does not work I would be grateful.
Thanks
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The manila files and scripts just don't have that functionality. I do not think the LEO has landscape. Give it time.. Remember the original manila didn't really have a landscape either.

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yeah but its not the same as, the LEO for instance, where the cloiuds come from all over the screen, or the moonlight beams in from the corner of the device
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I think it does.... My new manila rom does that.

Bxsteez said:
I think it does.... My new manila rom does that.
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yeah, only the 2.5 does.. the reg photon has the same weather clock i have now

Thats not true!!!! My Manila 2.1 has animated weather. So does At0m's new ROM.
http://i354.photobucket.com/albums/r423/Bxsteez/Compiled.png

Bxsteez said:
Thats not true!!!! My Manila 2.1 has animated weather. So does At0m's new ROM.
http://i354.photobucket.com/albums/r423/Bxsteez/Compiled.png
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Im downloading Photon as we speak. If this works, ill be thrilled.. if only I could change the mail tab icon to the envelopes instead of the ugly mailbox and get the whole email view like on 2.5
If I do use a manilla 2.5 rom, is their landscape support in apps or when forming emails?

In photon there is an app called G-Config under Start Menu/Utilities. You can select what functions you want to autorotate there and problem solved.

chrisrj28 said:
In photon there is an app called G-Config under Start Menu/Utilities. You can select what functions you want to autorotate there and problem solved.
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awesome! Thanks man.
So essentially I can use photon with manilla 2.5 - and just turn on rotate for email/text/internet?
Only things that use manilla would be the email/text previews and the home screen right?

Yeah you can go with Leo and have the added features of 2.5 and just select what programs you want to rotate other than Manilla.

I still have a problem with text entry in facebook - The keyboard doesnt do anything but shake the screen in landscape mode

Can't help you there as I am one of the few people in the world with no facebook

chrisrj28 said:
In photon there is an app called G-Config under Start Menu/Utilities. You can select what functions you want to autorotate there and problem solved.
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Is that gyrator? It can be installed in any ROM!
Any yes Manila 2.5 does not work in landscape, and it has been discussed zilliion times....

This guy and his ROM (for SE Xperia) has landscape support for Manila 2.5 : http://htcpedia.com/rotastrains_manila2_5_landcape/soft/sony-x1-rom.html
Dont know how he did it, but it can be done. Ive seen nothing lie this for the Touch Pro 2.

do we have

a rom yet with all the stuff from the HD2 but that works in landscape for the TP2

Seeing that the Leo (AKA HD2) does not have a slide out keyboard... The answer is: No landscape in all screens but photos and music (by way of G-sensor only). The programming is just simply not there for HTC Sense (AKA Manila) 2.5 & 2.6. Once new keyboard devices arrive after Leo, we should see landscape on all screens.
The only way we could see landscape soon in 2.5 is if someone savvy enough and with lots of time, programs landscape screens by hand.

thanks think ill stick with 2.1 then

To be honest, there's really no need for the landscape ones on 2.5
Just my opinion though

Rotastrains, our resident Manilla expert, made an Xperia X1 ROM that had Sense/TF3D 2.5 landscape mode hacked into it, here, but it hasn't been ported to the Rhodium. It would be nice if that happened, but I don't think we'll get landscape for a while.