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Hello, I just would like to give a feedback of my usage of the last HTC 6.1 ROM.
The good thing :
- HTC Dialer is a lot faster than the 6.0 dialer (Thanks god !!!). But I guess I could use it with the old HTC 6.0 ROM.
The bad things :
- For IGO 8 to work I need to disable the "HTC Home", the "A-GPS" feature, and soft reset my device !!!! That means I won't use IGO 8 anymore, and that was my favorite GPS application.
- SPB Backup does not work anymore
- NO CAMERA IMPROVEMENT : still the same ****, slow and blurry.
- Performance issues with my SDHC card : all read/writes done from the Kaiser to the SDHC card are very very very slow.
- my device freezes all the time !!! I have to wait for 10-20 seconds before I can use it again. EDIT : since I stoped using "Quick Menu" this, problem disapeared ... So another usefull application I can't use anymore !
- performances are lower !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just talk about using the device, the way it displays the menus, the way applications come to the screen, it's really slower than the original HTC 6.0 ROM I had !!!!
So one more time, HTC shows how they deal with their customers :
"don't worry, we will make an update with performances improvements" ...
instead the performances have decreased, absolutly nothing have been improved, and I meet a lot of compatibility problems !!!!!!!
So think twice before installing this f***ing ROM !!!!
How can HTC put on the market such an unfinished/untested product ???!!!!
I just realized they just did the same with the Kaiser ...
Hi,downgrade to wm6 because my pda became crazy !
Same thing : my official microsd card with Nav and Go doesn't work,and the rest too.We must say a big thanks to HTC !!!
Please then, do not use the HTC Rom. We have a lot of Very Good Chefs that will make your problems go away. (If you ask them nicely0
Marcdu81 said:
Hi,downgrade to wm6 because my pda became crazy !
Same thing : my official microsd card with Nav and Go doesn't work,and the rest too.We must say a big thanks to HTC !!!
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Hi,
Did you pull off the microsd before upgrading ?(perhaps the upgrade process
corrupted the card)
Perhaps you could try (trial period) pocket mechanics pro(from wizzcode)
to reformat your sd+scandisk , it is a very reliable soft.
I had a worry to upgrade the official rom with vista, so i had to make the upgrade with a winxp desktop.
For time being, i found an improvement in the sound volume(phone usage)
and my bluetooth earpiece(nearly inaudible before).
Some softs are faster when launching(P.M.Pro for example) and sprite backup
(i upgraded from the light edition to the full one 6.22) works well under wm6.1.
But for the rotation screen when sliding the keyboard, i didnt notice any
progress.(i dont watch movies/videos on my kaiser, so unable to tell if it is better)
The only bad and good thing when upgrading:
i wasnt able to restore all my softs with my backup(some registry bugs)
so i had to reinstall all (tomtom6, sprite,netfront,pocket informant,etc)
boring but it has the advantage to start from fresh install.
One problem, windows mobile center(under vista) has some difficulties to
synchronize my kaiser.(i had to do some "menage" in my outlook 2002 appointments).
regards from France
Marcdu81 said:
Hi,downgrade to wm6 because my pda became crazy !
Same thing : my official microsd card with Nav and Go doesn't work,and the rest too.We must say a big thanks to HTC !!!
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I think that we must all realize that in this day and age of " give me more now" software development we have seen the last, long ago, of the finished, polished , stable software release. Look at Vista and Leopard and the such. Both operating systems were beseiged by bugs and incompatabilities. Vista is getting better but still crap.
We are going to have to get used to getting Beta versions of everything. Yes, HTC makes the bulk of their money off of hardware.As unacceptable as it might seem they are not going to spend millions in R and D and beta testing on upgrades they give away for free. Perhaps if we were willing to pay $100 or $200 or so for a software upgrade, like Vista or Leopard we would get a better finished product, or not. Everyone still got a beta of Vista.
My point is , this is it . We wanted it now. We wanted it free. We got the Beta. We tested it , it sucks ,give them the feed back and push for patches. Unacceptable ? Yes but, like the current gas prices, it is the reality of the situation.
Yes,i remove each time sim card and memory card before flashing.I think i'm not alone to have problems with french update ( cf french forum ) .I've downgraded with wm6 and everything works fine again .
reading through the frustrating experiences makes me feel better. so i am no alone. how absolutely unprofessional of htc. i hope palm comes out with its new OS quickly. my windows mobile adventure is eating up my time.
how can i downgrade again?
i need the original 6.0 Ger rom
Hi,
Sorry for the slight variation on topic, but I just logged into my HTC E-club and could not find the WM6.1 Update, am I looking in the wrong place?
Thanks.
Same issues for me as you folks. I dumped it like the smelly crap it is and reloaded with dutty's hybrid. This one I'm diggin'.Very stable,awesome actually.
dizzy33 said:
Hello, I just would like to give a feedback of my usage of the last HTC 6.1 ROM.
The good thing :
- HTC Dialer is a lot faster than the 6.0 dialer (Thanks god !!!). But I guess I could use it with the old HTC 6.0 ROM.
The bad things :
- For IGO 8 to work I need to disable the "HTC Home", the "A-GPS" feature, and soft reset my device !!!! That means I won't use IGO 8 anymore, and that was my favorite GPS application.
- SPB Backup does not work anymore
- NO CAMERA IMPROVEMENT : still the same ****, slow and blurry.
- Performance issues with my SDHC card : all read/writes done from the Kaiser to the SDHC card are very very very slow.
- my device freezes all the time !!! I have to wait for 10-20 seconds before I can use it again. EDIT : since I stoped using "Quick Menu" this, problem disapeared ... So another usefull application I can't use anymore !
- performances are lower !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just talk about using the device, the way it displays the menus, the way applications come to the screen, it's really slower than the original HTC 6.0 ROM I had !!!!
So one more time, HTC shows how they deal with their customers :
"don't worry, we will make an update with performances improvements" ...
instead the performances have decreased, absolutly nothing have been improved, and I meet a lot of compatibility problems !!!!!!!
So think twice before installing this f***ing ROM !!!!
How can HTC put on the market such an unfinished/untested product ???!!!!
I just realized they just did the same with the Kaiser ...
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it seems most of your issues are compatibility with applications. shouldn't you be complaining to the developers about these? I'm sure they will fix those up to make them run smoothly with 6.1, I don't think it's fair to blame HTC for application incompatibility with a *new* OS.
maybe do an HR and see if you still have issues [except the driver issue because we all know they didn't fix that]
sometimes it's good to wait for apps/devs to catch up before updating to ensure that your apps a working well with your new OS.
just my 2 cents. peace
Guys, a little help please...
I need to downgrade to WM6.0.
Where can I get the official Portuguese ROM for KAISER???
Thanks in advance
here's a fix for the freezes:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=394839
bnycastro said:
it seems most of your issues are compatibility with applications. shouldn't you be complaining to the developers about these? I'm sure they will fix those up to make them run smoothly with 6.1, I don't think it's fair to blame HTC for application incompatibility with a *new* OS.
maybe do an HR and see if you still have issues [except the driver issue because we all know they didn't fix that]
sometimes it's good to wait for apps/devs to catch up before updating to ensure that your apps a working well with your new OS.
just my 2 cents. peace
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I disagree with what you say. Most of the Windows Mobile 5.0 applications were working on the WM 6.0. I never loosed so many applications (and I didn't try all of them yet) with an update which is not supposed to be a major update (6.0 to 6.1).
My biggest issue is the IGO 8 application which does not work because of an HTC application : HTC Home.
So now, if I want to run IGO 8, I must disable some tabs of HTC Home (contacts, weather, music ...) which were essential to me.
When I bought my Kaiser, I also bought HTC home which I cannot use now.
I also noticed that since I installed 6.1, HTC home does slow down my device and is responsible for some freezes of it. If I remove HTC home from the today screen, no freezes !
So this is definitly an HTC problem !
Firstly, this is not an HTC problem. It is a Windows Mobile (Microsoft) problem.
Every device is different.
What works well on mine, might not work on yours for obvious reasons.
Folks are quick to criticise HTC because they don't know any better or don't understand the problem.
Why "upgrade" to wm 6.1? wm 6.0 works perfectly well.
And btw, Vista is NOT crap. I have been using Vista Business for over a year now without problems. You really just need to figure things out.
Don't fix it if it aint broke.
Guys thanks a lot!! I intended to upgrade to the official ROM, but now I stay with Dutty's.
It saves me a lot of time.
MACkjam said:
Firstly, this is not an HTC problem. It is a Windows Mobile (Microsoft) problem.
Every device is different.
What works well on mine, might not work on yours for obvious reasons.
Folks are quick to criticise HTC because they don't know any better or don't understand the problem.
Why "upgrade" to wm 6.1? wm 6.0 works perfectly well.
And btw, Vista is NOT crap. I have been using Vista Business for over a year now without problems. You really just need to figure things out.
Don't fix it if it aint broke.
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1) "HTC Home" IS an HTC product... And it is the source of a lot of problems in the 6.1 ROM (just read what I wrote).
2) Why upgrading to 6.1 : because HTC said the performances will be increased. And the performances where an issue in 6.0 (and still are in 6.1).
I waited for an upgrade, seems like I got an downgrade. Device with this big price tag should perform well out of the box.
This is what i think.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=395110
allright... I've done downgrading to latest wwe 6.0.
6.1 is a real crap- do not let some ppl fool You- there is no speed gain at all.
what more, it's slower than ever.
simple tests: I have opened a web page in opera mini on both 6.0 (stock t-mob and latest wwe) and 6.1 (stock wwe, plk and leo's diamond v2) and guess what- on 6.0 scrolling is smooth on 6.1 visible screen tearing occurs.
second test was 3 minutes of doom2 e1m1- again, visible and annoying screen tearing on 6.1. no fps gained at all.
the other thing is that 6.1 doesn't support card export II and have many other more or less irritating bugs.
I am seriously considering swapping my Vario III for N95 8GB, but still hesitating. with tweaked 6.0 it is a quite nice machine, qwerty keyboard is a big + aswell... I dunno. I shall see...
anyway- br and good luck to all with their devices.
bro
Just chiming in with my $0.02 worth, that the 6.1 upgrade works fine for me. I'm only running very minimal 3rd party apps (aside from TomTom), so compatibility hasn't been a problem for me.
The RF quality of the phone seems much-improved, I don't notice (without benchmarking tools) a big perceptible speed difference from a user's point of view.
Why do I keep getting a low storage space warning? The only thing I have changed on my tilt is I added the HTC home page. Other than that, everything has been put on my sd card.
Thanks
i dont kno the answer to your question but i can tell u people will be able to help a lot easier with 3 pieces of info
rom, radio and recent changes to phone
I am new to this. Ive had my tilt for a year, and until i found this forum, I had no idea it could do all this. It is all as it came from at&t except for the htc homepage. I am trying to learn what all the rest is; rom, radio etc.
I unlocked and flashed to WM 6.1 ROM on my Treo 750. I'm finding that I have next to nothing on device memory lately and only have 2 programs running on the device itself which aren't terribly large, everything else is on the SD. Memory is down really, really low which causes the device to run slow and even lock up. Can someone suggest either another ROM to try which will give me a little more free device memory or any other methods to free up more memory?
I know that I am not the ONLY one to have a problem with an incredibly PAINFULLY slow Tilt. It is a surprise im not finding WAY more posts on this forum about it.
Lets cover the basics first:
Stock 6.1 Rom
Stock Radio
LOADS of programs
All Kaiser Tweaks performed
Tom Tom Navi 7....Full USA and Canada on SD Card
18.12 Meg free storage and 50.39 Meg free program memory (At the time of this post)
Lets cover the issues next:
HOLYYYY SLOW.....click on "messaging" and 20 seconds later it would come up.
SLOWWWW Texting.... Start typing and 10 seconds after finishing typing the screen would catch up.
SLOWWWW deleting messages.... it would take about 5 minutes to delete a batch of 10 text messages with just "Hi" written in them.
SLOWWWWW Tom Tom...I know some of this is related to the "Class action issue" but it was never THISSS slow. Only got really slow after I installed USA CANADA on SD card.
FIX????:
Sitting at work here, I was bored. I decided to pop out my SD card (PNY SDHC 4GB). On the SD card I have: Tom Tom (Map only), ScummVM, DCIM (Cam Pics), Doom, Quake.... Nothing system related.
As soon as I removed the card....BAM...EVERYTHING IS FAST.
Like mega fast.... no lag on the keys with texts....deletes texts fast...system menus are fast....programs load instantly...."control panel" loads instantly. Even GPSTEST gets a fix almost immediately!!!!
So whats the fix?? 98% of us use SD cards. and the other 2% would not be looking at this post because they dont have the speed issues.
Is it the SDHC?? I know that causes problems with alot of other devices (Wii, Digi Camera for example). maybe fragmented card???? maybe crappy card????
Does anyone else concur with this find???
Im pretty sure I didnt overlook this post somewhere else....so dont flame if I did!
Tom
Sounds like it's time to try a new card. Mine would be slow, sometimes stop responding. A new storage card and all was well. The old card works fine in my card reader on my desktop, just not the tilt.
ragutom said:
I know that I am not the ONLY one to have a problem with an incredibly PAINFULLY slow Tilt. It is a surprise im not finding WAY more posts on this forum about it.
Lets cover the basics first:
Stock 6.1 Rom
Stock Radio
LOADS of programs
All Kaiser Tweaks performed
Tom Tom Navi 7....Full USA and Canada on SD Card
18.12 Meg free storage and 50.39 Meg free program memory (At the time of this post)
Lets cover the issues next:
HOLYYYY SLOW.....click on "messaging" and 20 seconds later it would come up.
SLOWWWW Texting.... Start typing and 10 seconds after finishing typing the screen would catch up.
SLOWWWW deleting messages.... it would take about 5 minutes to delete a batch of 10 text messages with just "Hi" written in them.
SLOWWWWW Tom Tom...I know some of this is related to the "Class action issue" but it was never THISSS slow. Only got really slow after I installed USA CANADA on SD card.
FIX????:
Sitting at work here, I was bored. I decided to pop out my SD card (PNY SDHC 4GB). On the SD card I have: Tom Tom (Map only), ScummVM, DCIM (Cam Pics), Doom, Quake.... Nothing system related.
As soon as I removed the card....BAM...EVERYTHING IS FAST.
Like mega fast.... no lag on the keys with texts....deletes texts fast...system menus are fast....programs load instantly...."control panel" loads instantly. Even GPSTEST gets a fix almost immediately!!!!
So whats the fix?? 98% of us use SD cards. and the other 2% would not be looking at this post because they dont have the speed issues.
Is it the SDHC?? I know that causes problems with alot of other devices (Wii, Digi Camera for example). maybe fragmented card???? maybe crappy card????
Does anyone else concur with this find???
Im pretty sure I didnt overlook this post somewhere else....so dont flame if I did!
Tom
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Sounds like you have manila on your phone with lots of mp3s on the sd card.
In Testing
Still working with it. Bought a Kingston SDHC 8 gb card from newegg. I will try that tonight probably!
Tom
ChumleyEX said:
Sounds like you have manila on your phone with lots of mp3s on the sd card.
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No Manila..... tho there are alot of MPEG type files on the card.... haha ;-)
So did we conclude that the microsd card was the problem? I got the same issues but I was thinking of reformatting the card instead of replacing it.
ragutom said:
Still working with it. Bought a Kingston SDHC 8 gb card from newegg. I will try that tonight probably!
Tom
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Hey ragutom,
What is going on?
Please, I'm so eager to hear from you.
n.
i appologize....i have not been able to try it yet....very busy week....As I am sitting here typing this tho....the cursor is barely keeping up.
i will let you all know soon though.
tom
If that didn't fix it, try removing all of the mp3's from it.
I took my card out and its still slow. Will a build up of text messages cause the phone to go slow?
Usually when U dont clear out alot of your sent, text or inbox stuff it build up & slows down the Tilt also. And cleaning up those cookies (if any) might work as well.
I've had these issues before.
It's because there isn't much room n the SD card. I had movies on my card for a while with just a little room left... removed them and wallah!!! fast-o change-o.
8 gig card? i thought the kaiser only supported up to a 2gig sd card.
UPDATE!!!!
ok
so its been a while since I posted..... I have been checking the posts as they come in....but havent been replying (sorry! reallly busy)
Everyone seems to have good points and ideas.
Obviously there may be many solutions to this problem..
I did finally get the 8 gig kingston card in.... moved everything off the old card...onto my comp...then back on the new card. everything is faster now.
I dont think it was entirely the card though......
Message management sped up entirely after i deleted the 500+ emails (some with large attachments) that i didnt realize were being saved in the deleted folder! (I usually keep my text folder clean)
Tom Tom sped up after i hid the USA CANADA map from the program and downloaded my "one free local map". Now I use the local map for MOST things....and the VERY SLOW USA CANADA map for trips out of the area (not common) ((((If anyone has any suggestions for this let me know)))) to give an example....I put it on demo mode with the USA CANADA and it took 10 minutes to go 1 mile in 100% mode.....local takes only a minute for the same stretch.
Picture taking still sucks. Although I have WAY more free space....
Typing in messages sped up to..... probably cuz of deleting messages too.....
hopefully this answers some questions......its not the end all solution that I was thinking tho.....
But to answer one question fully...... the Tilt does support 8 gig cards and SDHC compliance
Tom
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8 gig card? i thought the kaiser only supported up to a 2gig sd card.
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No, supports up to 32 gb sdhc. I'm using a 16 gb one
I have installed new ROM (Thanks a million shifu) and the result is powerful little gadget. Works great, no slowing down. Just one small problem with hardware keyboard and wrong Fn signs.
Hope it helps.
Nele12 said:
I have installed new ROM (Thanks a million shifu) and the result is powerful little gadget. Works great, no slowing down. Just one small problem with hardware keyboard and wrong Fn signs.
Hope it helps.
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You just need the Tilt Keyboard Fix to correct the FN keys.
mrdiavolo, thanks, did it, didn't help.
My phone is TytnII not Tilt, and the cab helps when you are flashing a non AT&T ROM onto the Tilt.
Thanks anyway.
Nele12 said:
mrdiavolo, thanks, did it, didn't help.
My phone is TytnII not Tilt, and the cab helps when you are flashing a non AT&T ROM onto the Tilt.
Thanks anyway.
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Take a read of shifu first page it's in red
My kaiser phone has standart rom, win 6,1. It is laging all the time from the day I bought it. My memory card is almost empty. I read a lot in this forum, but nowhere found the solving to my problem.
I am thinking, maybe it lags because of my connection, sometimes it is 3G, sometimes EDGE. If any one knows where the problem is and how to solve it, THANK YOU.
Is the actual phone lagging, or just your connection speed?
Trying a different ROM is a good idea, you will find one that is certainly faster and more capabile than your stock ROM.
everything is lagging. I have to click some times, or even wait for about 5-10 seconds or more, until phone reacts.
Reflash your current ROM or grab a new one (how to's are in the ROM dev section), something must have happened in the registry or something that is bogging it down.
Tried a hard reset? Solves all manner of problems.
thank you guys, I will try hard reset and maybe then will flash my rom
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thank you guys, I will try hard reset and maybe then will flash my rom
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Maybe you sold your Kaiser. I have the same problem: orig. wm6.0, orig wm6.1, Tir 18 and others, tried different radio and hardspl. But the lag is often there, not ever but often. I can't say why, I think it's related to the gsm signal: try to work putting the phone functions off (airplane mode) and play bubble breaker....
wayting for Android porting.
Bye
Matteo
I was having the same problem while i was using Windows Mobile 6.1 . Then i upgraded my ROM to 6.5 and this problem has almost disappeared. I have an observation that this thing happens while i am roaming at a low or no signal point. Finally Windows Mobile 6.5 proved to be the remedy for me.
Use task manager and kill all the programs that are running. Many times when my Tilt (WM 6.1) is lagging there are 8 to 10 programs active. In IE, clear the history and hit the delete files button, this usually clears a lot of memory. Make sure that you have plenty of free "Program" memory, install non essential programs to the microSD card to free up some space. My Tilt usually runs quick just by making sure to check these things every now and then and it is the stock rom.
I also use Raiisak's KaiserTweak, increased my cache file size for faster ops plus many other tidbits, HTC Home Customizer by emunutz, FdcSoft TaskManager a really good one with regedit, HTC Classaction 3d drivers, EXT mod for File explorer, etc. Just another route you can go if you don't feel like flashing.