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I've tried both and got a question :
Why the interface of miri's WM6.5 is worse than Dutty's ? Isn't WM6.5 more latest than WM6.1 ?
Could anyone please make it clear here ? Thanks in advance !
abc138 said:
I've tried both and got a question :
Why the interface of miri's WM6.5 is worse than Dutty's ? Isn't WM6.5 more latest than WM6.1 ?
Could anyone please make it clear here ? Thanks in advance !
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Which interface are you talking about?
I do prefer WinMo 6.5 interface over 6.1.
There are two main changes (visual wisse) on WinMo 6.5 which is the main screen where you have Titanium and the start menu.
On WinMo 6.5 things tend to be more finger friendly than in WinMo 6.1.
As I said before, I do prefer how things are going from 6.1 to 6.5.....
Duttys uses HTC components and they've made an effort to make everything more finger friendly. They've been at it a while, we're currently @ version 3. A good effort i must say Manilla especially the newer versions w/ the new start menu are truly a pleasure to use and have made a considerable difference to the overall experience of the Touch HD.
It's biggest flaw i feel personally is that HTC didn't think to make Manilla customizable at even the basic level of allowing backgrounds on all the level 0 tabs.
Miri's wm 6.5 is straight from Microsoft, who are just now attempting to make the OS more finger friendly and though its newer it is sadly not as refined or cohesive. If we could get a 6.5 rom w/ the new manilla minus the new htc start menu, but with htc notifications & menus, htc dialer, htc calculator ( lets just say all the htc apps) we'd have a really refined looking rom.
wsouza said:
Which interface are you talking about?
I do prefer WinMo 6.5 interface over 6.1.
There are two main changes (visual wisse) on WinMo 6.5 which is the main screen where you have Titanium and the start menu.
On WinMo 6.5 things tend to be more finger friendly than in WinMo 6.1.
As I said before, I do prefer how things are going from 6.1 to 6.5.....
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Sorry for my English !
I mean the popup interface when a function button is touched. Dutty's is very smooth & clear, including fonts, and you can touchflo it, but WM6.5's is not...
DRTigerlilly said:
Duttys uses HTC components and they've made an effort to make everything more finger friendly. a good effort i must say Manilla especially the newer versions w/ the new start menu are truly a pleasure to use and have made a considerable difference to the overall experience of the Touch HD.
It's biggest flaw i feel personally is that HTC didn't think to make Manilla customizable at even the basic level of allowing backgrounds on all the level 0 tabs.
Miri's wm 6.5 is straight from Microsoft and though its newer it is sadly not as refined. If we could get a 6.5 rom w/ the new manilla minus the new start menu, htc notifications & menus, htc dialer, htc calculator ( lets just say all the htc apps) we'd have a really refined looking rom.
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Thanks man, you got the point!
abc138 said:
I mean the popup interface when a function button is touched. Dutty's is very smooth & clear, including fonts, and you can touchflo it, but WM6.5's is not...
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Why is a modern VW Beetle slower then an old Porsche? Because they are different cars...
Main difference :
Duttys 6.1: Uses latest, finger friendly HTC Touch Flo software. HTC sell phones. So they (kind of) care about the customer experience.
6.5: By Microsoft. The Windows mobile team totally lost the plot a few years ago lost touch with modern smartphone interface design. 6.5 is a deperate stop-gap until they get 7 out. I think that's enough said, isn't it ?
I tested almost all ROM's from here and the one i found with not so many bugs is that from Laurentius26.
Miri's ROM it's nice but have many bugs , last version i try it's V4 Premium and as you see in his post have many bugs but it's faster (33-35%)
That from Laurentius26 it's not so fast (40-45%) but doesn't have so many bugs so untill miri will improve his version i'll stay and old wwe 6.1
I think this thread should be closed. You are comparing two different operating systems so they are not the same and to put them into a comparison is doing any thing good for either cook.
My 2cts worth
furrypotato said:
Main difference :
Duttys 6.1: Uses latest, finger friendly HTC Touch Flo software. HTC sell phones. So they (kind of) care about the customer experience.
6.5: By Microsoft. The Windows mobile team totally lost the plot a few years ago lost touch with modern smartphone interface design. 6.5 is a deperate stop-gap until they get 7 out. I think that's enough said, isn't it ?
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Thanks furrypotato, you've given me what I'd been looking for!
LuCkYaN said:
I tested almost all ROM's from here and the one i found with not so many bugs is that from Laurentius26.
Miri's ROM it's nice but have many bugs , last version i try it's V4 Premium and as you see in his post have many bugs but it's faster (33-35%)
That from Laurentius26 it's not so fast (40-45%) but doesn't have so many bugs so untill miri will improve his version i'll stay and old wwe 6.1
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Thanks for your valuable experience LuCkYaN, maybe I should try Laurentius26's, Dutty's still has ringtone problem...
And Laurentius26 still have bug on ringtone, you can not change ringtone.
p.s. somebody a little up said this thread should be closed in my oppinion have right and not
1. yes users should enter everyone rom thread and see what bug have and if he want will install if no should search another one
2. no because as i did i don't find a thread like this on this part of forum and start to flashing with all roms to see what's new what that have and don't and was good for me but for a new user who join and don't have time to flash all the time and want one good and stable rom to know where to go
On Miri's thread a guy said he want a rom simple without nothing that who came from HTC without bugs but isn't here something like that. In my oppinion if somebody have that ROM i want to post here because came a time when i'll be bored to flash all the time and i just want a rom who to be stable (as i allready said this is my oppinion without upset somebody all ROM's Dutty / Laurentius26 / Miri are good and i apreciate they'r effort )
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And Laurentius26 still have bug on ringtone, you can not change ringtone.
p.s. somebody a little up said this thread should be closed in my oppinion have right and not
1. yes users should enter everyone rom thread and see what bug have and if he want will install if no should search another one
2. no because as i did i don't find a thread like this on this part of forum and start to flashing with all roms to see what's new what that have and don't and was good for me but for a new user who join and don't have time to flash all the time and want one good and stable rom to know where to go
On Miri's thread a guy said he want a rom simple without nothing that who came from HTC without bugs but isn't here something like that. In my oppinion if somebody have that ROM i want to post here because came a time when i'll be bored to flash all the time and i just want a rom who to be stable (as i allready said this is my oppinion without upset somebody all ROM's Dutty / Laurentius26 / Miri are good and i apreciate they'r effort )
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That's what I want to say too, thank you again, LuCkYaN!!!
DRTigerlilly said:
Duttys uses HTC components and they've made an effort to make everything more finger friendly. They've been at it a while, we're currently @ version 3. A good effort i must say Manilla especially the newer versions w/ the new start menu are truly a pleasure to use and have made a considerable difference to the overall experience of the Touch HD.
It's biggest flaw i feel personally is that HTC didn't think to make Manilla customizable at even the basic level of allowing backgrounds on all the level 0 tabs.
Miri's wm 6.5 is straight from Microsoft, who are just now attempting to make the OS more finger friendly and though its newer it is sadly not as refined or cohesive. If we could get a 6.5 rom w/ the new manilla minus the new htc start menu, but with htc notifications & menus, htc dialer, htc calculator ( lets just say all the htc apps) we'd have a really refined looking rom.
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DRTigerLilly, say's it here, quite right. We must remember also these are Beta's. Dutty has done a fantastic job, both have to test and make the best of Widows and HTC interfaces.
I think you are right to ask and we struggle on to make the perfect ROM
Well done people!
I tested both as well and while i LOVED the 6.5 interface there were still too many bugs. So i switched to Dutty 2.3 (Winmo 6.1) but the one thing i HATE there is the new start menu.. i mean the old drop down was the thing i was really used to...so please can any1 tell me how to get that back on without changing roms? and also the new camera app is and duttys installer for old camera isint working .... any fix for that?? PLZ help me out...i hate new menu
sephiroth_vg said:
PLZ help me out...i hate new menu
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Search in the forum, there are many solutions, many threads about it.
bobsbbq said:
I think this thread should be closed. You are comparing two different operating systems so they are not the same and to put them into a comparison is doing any thing good for either cook.
My 2cts worth
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I think its a good discussion about 2 operating systems.. u have to know the pros and cons of each and feed back form different users
abc138 said:
Thanks furrypotato, you've given me what I'd been looking for!
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well, unfortunately what he told you is just his opinion, and I think he is wrong. I think it's actually the other way around. TouchFlow was a sort of temporary fix by HTC to bring up a GUI that can compete with Iphone until MS has their own solution. With 6.5 it's not necessary anymore. The newer 6.5 versions such as Miri's V5 easily beat TouchFlo and whatever 6.1 has to offer. The new 6.5 GUI is not a "curtain" like TF, covering up something, but a genuine new interface. I don't even load the manila with TouchFlo anymore, the generic 6.5 GUI is clearly better.
furrypotato said:
Main difference :
Duttys 6.1: Uses latest, finger friendly HTC Touch Flo software. HTC sell phones. So they (kind of) care about the customer experience.
6.5: By Microsoft. The Windows mobile team totally lost the plot a few years ago lost touch with modern smartphone interface design. 6.5 is a deperate stop-gap until they get 7 out. I think that's enough said, isn't it ?
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I totally agree with you!
Please don't close this thread yet!
Perhaps the chef names should be removed as roms based on 6.1 with Manila v3 are only subtly different and the same goes for 6.5 roms (IN MY OPINION...)
It is interesting to compare experiences side by side.
I know it is quite shallow but although I like Titanium it doesn't have the same wow factor as v3 Manila does and on a day to day basis, I don't really need to go much deeper.
I also feel that 6.1 has so much support here that I can revive the wow factor with regularity.
6.5 will continue to be installed every couple of weeks though
Hi
I have tried many different roms and are currently at dutty 2.6.
How far has wm6.5 rom come?
I wish to start a thread where we discuss what is best of 6.1 or 6.5
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=500523
you guys rock
The way you take no prisoners with people who might not have time to trawl through a couple of thousand posts before asking a genuine question. You guys really are as hard as nails... no scratch that, maybe youre inadequate teenagers struggling to find a meaning to life beyond a slightly disappointing smartphone?
Hi there,
Don't judge everyone by some people's attitude on here...
It is a tough question though, but it would be good to hear peoples views on whether they prefer wm 6.1 or wm 6.5 - and why
I'm just changing from Miri's 6.5 v 5.2 rom back to Dutty's 6.1 v2.6 EXTREME, purely for the simple fact that I love the customisation that Dutty has done to Manilla and the integration to facebook/contacts seems better on Dutty's rom than Miri's.
Don't get me wrong, both roms are constantly being developed and both roms have their advantages, but for me, Dutty's 6.1 v2.6 hits it (and 2.7 will be better!!!)
I'm sure there are more features to 6.5 and it is supposed to be better screen operations for finger rather than pen, but the only thing I really noticed is the new start menu, which is good, but not very customisable.
Been round 2-3 times with these 2 roms, but think I always end up going back to Dutty's.
Give them both a try though as it is each persons perspective on what they prefer from their HD.
I am not being hard and I don't mind helping, just look at some of my posts, but the problem is every couple of days someone asks: Is this rom better for me? Is X rom faster than Y rom? Can you recommend a rom for me?
Just do a search in this rom forum to see how many have been asking the same thing OVER and OVER, or better yet just look at the last few pages!!
The thing is we are all here for the same reason, we all want the fastest, greatest etc, but it is all subjective. The rom that is perfect for me is maybe not even close to good for you....
As for being a teenager, lol, I wish
tru and i feel all of u but the question is which rom do u prefer .... i havnt tried 6.5 but i would like to read reviews on the differences....and no opinons on wat u like for urself who cares wat u want this post is basic info on the differences between 6.1 and 6.5.
its funny cause u sr and jr members are here to help us newbies out and u dont... i had to teach myself how to mode my hd and how to change the roms now im teaching myself on how to mod and create my own rom.... i do wana thank u guys for creating these roms but u guys are here to help not talk slick but please everyone google ur questions first before just postin anywhere... but i feel this is a descent thread
i havent tried 6.5 and im not going to
when 6.5 is released properly then the good version will be properly put on the hd
until then its 6.1
My goodness, lets everyone just start a new thread for no other reason than laziness to read and experiment, dont encourage this kind topics as it sets a bad example!
seams to me that "IT" guys have a chip on there shoulder, all we are looking for is a bit help. We are not all computer experts. We all want the same thing though. The best and fastest rom. It does not matter what is good for me is not good for you. We are simply asking a question. And you are the guys to answer the questions. Yes you could do a search and get about 10,000 answers. Do you have time to go thru all them for the one you are looking for. COME ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Once again this is heading down the path of another useless thread as everyone is talking off topic again.
This is why MOD's delete threads like this as they just go round in circles with people complaining etc etc etc.
If you want this thread to remain open, start talking about the topic again, otherwise thread will close very soon. I'm actually surprised its still open.
Anyway, ON TOPIC, all 6.5 is a facelift to 6.1 with no real great improvement.
Thats my 2 cents!!
So true am new to all of this, I've been trying to put the 6.5 rom on htc hd and finding help is not easy.
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but it is all subjective.
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I don't understand why everyone decline the question. In my understanding the question just ask about the advantages of the 6.5 in comparison to 6.1 ROMs here.
May be this question question the high-number-must-better attidude of many of us but for me this question is adequate and reasonable. No reason to harm somebody.
brodos123 said:
I wish to start a thread where we discuss what is best of 6.1 or 6.5
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Maybe this helps: ll you need to know about Windows Mobile 6.5
Relating to this article:
1. Windows Mobile becomes Windows Phone
Surely no reason for our choice.
2. All new menus
6.1: Manula, manila menus, new start menu etc. from HTC
6.5: honeycomb today screen, new menus etc.
Both solutions are more finger friendly -> Its you choice.
3. Flick gestures
Like HTC with manila and some other options on 6.1, microsoft try the same with 6.5. -> Its you choice.
4. Better browser
Most 6.1 ROMs here use Opera and 6.5 the new internet explorer. -> Its you choice.
7. Better looking lock screen
There are many 3th party applications which allow this also on 6.1 ROMs. -> Its you choice.
8. Improved e-mail and messaging
I didn't check this with current 6.5 ROMs but it seems to be, that HTC (on old 6.1 ROMs) made the same.
So, after all this points, for me there is no big advantage between the new 6.5 ROM and the old 6.1 ROMs with HTC applications like manila.
It's only your choice, if you prefer manila or honeycombs, the solutions from HTC or Microsoft.
Elim said:
7. Better looking lock screen
There are many 3th party applications which allow this also on 6.1 ROMs. -> Its you choice.
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For me it was the lock screen in WM6.5 that sold it to me. I used to use S2U2 but found it a little bit buggy and would sometimes crap-out when using flipit/gyrator etc etc. The default WM6.1 lock does a job but it's exactly pretty looking.
But the WM 6.5 lock? 'Tis glorious! I'm loving being able to jump straight to different notifications and it just looks so good as well.
Other aspects of WM6.5
I was using Dutty's v2.6 (and had been using Dutty's ROMs since the first Xtreme Test came out) and couldn't recommend it highly enough; it really is a fantastic ROM. I am missing a lot of the nice little features the the Rhodium Manila brings in.
I'm currently using Miri's v6.1 Premium (and thinking about upgrading to the new v7.0) with TF3D running on top of it. I ran with the Titanium interface for a bit but Manila if definitely better for me and the way I use my phone.
But part of me thinks I might just go back to Dutty's v2.6. As I mentioned above, there a just so many lovely little features in the Rhodium ROMs cooked by Dutty that I'm missing. No sleight on Miri's work you understand; there are many bugs reported when trying to integrate Rhodium with WM6.5 so I think the final advice has to be that if you want all the niceness of the Rhodium ROMs (and believe me, they are nice!) you need to run WM6.1 underneath.
I guess we'll just have to wait for the Diamond2/Touch Pro2 to get their WM6.5 upgrades in the Summer to see how Manila3 works alongside WM6.5.
<Just my views for over the past few days>
dom_mitchell1 said:
For me it was the lock screen in WM6.5 that sold it to me. I used to use S2U2 but found it a little bit buggy and would sometimes crap-out when using flipit/gyrator etc etc. The default WM6.1 lock does a job but it's exactly pretty looking.
But the WM 6.5 lock? 'Tis glorious! I'm loving being able to jump straight to different notifications and it just looks so good as well.
Other aspects of WM6.5
I was using Dutty's v2.6 (and had been using Dutty's ROMs since the first Xtreme Test came out) and couldn't recommend it highly enough; it really is a fantastic ROM. I am missing a lot of the nice little features the the Rhodium Manila brings in.
I'm currently using Miri's v6.1 Premium (and thinking about upgrading to the new v7.0) with TF3D running on top of it. I ran with the Titanium interface for a bit but Manila if definitely better for me and the way I use my phone.
But part of me thinks I might just go back to Dutty's v2.6. As I mentioned above, there a just so many lovely little features in the Rhodium ROMs cooked by Dutty that I'm missing. No sleight on Miri's work you understand; there are many bugs reported when trying to integrate Rhodium with WM6.5 so I think the final advice has to be that if you want all the niceness of the Rhodium ROMs (and believe me, they are nice!) you need to run WM6.1 underneath.
I guess we'll just have to wait for the Diamond2/Touch Pro2 to get their WM6.5 upgrades in the Summer to see how Manila3 works alongside WM6.5.
<Just my views for over the past few days>
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Dutty is finalizing his latest rom v2.7 RC (due out fri) which is WM6.1, and then he is straight into working on WM6.5 roms, so maybe its worth waiting to see how these turn out!!
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Dutty is finalizing his latest rom v2.7 RC (due out fri) which is WM6.1, and then he is straight into working on WM6.5 roms, so maybe its worth waiting to see how these turn out!!
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That is exactly what I wanted to hear! Magic!
I used Duttys 2.4 ROM earlier, loved it.
I installed Davideucks wm6.5 rom yesterday, I love the speed of the Titanium menu, feels really smooth, so does the start-menu and mail inbox.
But like dom_mitchell1 i miss some small stuff from manila/duttys ROM.
Things I dont like about WM 6.5 is that I dont think we cant customzie the main Titanium menue, yet? For instance I would like it to launch Opera instead of IE.
I liked the new Manila calendar better.
Today screen only shows one appointment. I dont know why they dont use all that empty space they left in the lock-screen, its perfect for showing multiple appointments.
Moving icons the way you want them in the new sart-menu is a hassle.
Hearing that Dutty is moving to 6.5 is really great.
I bet he will bring great stuff to it.
OFFTOPIC: IMO, the biggest factor for chosing either wm6.1 or wm6.5 is personal choice, based on several factors: functionality, looks, speed, customization, compatibility. Thats why it is really difficult to chose the perfect ROM for everybody. This debate between newer members asking this sort of questions and older members becoming sick and tired of answering them is old and it will last forever, I guess. No matter how many times you say to a new member: go read wiki, etc, there will ALWAYS be smb. new coming and asking the same question tomorrow. I, personally, prefer to help instead of suggesting: go read, but sometimes I am way too lazy to present a proper answer, hence I just ignore the question. I believe this should be the solution to this, but everybody treats it differently.
ONTOPIC: I have tried 20+ ROMs for HD, most of them wm6.1, but now i'm on Davide wm6.5 rom and i dont wanna go back. why?
at the beginning its the looks. I guess i just grew tired of the dark, black HTC customization. Also, manila was not suitable for me, i didnt use 70% of the features, i guess: didnt use favourite people tab (its easier to dial directly from phone app.), didnt use financial info tab (not interested), didnt use internet tab (i can easily just open Opera from programs) etc.
Wm6.5 is finally moving at an acceptable speed, the Start menu looks great (although it lacks customization mostly), and from the home screen i can listen to music, see photos, see the wheather (by using titanium weather 2.2) and I can use some HD-quality pictures as background. Also, email, sms lists look neater, more classy. the softkey menus are bigger, more finger-friendly. These are reasons enough for me to use wm6.5 and not come back to 6.1. Not to mention being a smart-ass among my friends with HTC HD and stock ROM.
So if you go rather towards new, imperfect technically-wise ROMs, I advice you to go to 6.5. It is fully utilisable. I actually used the previous Davide ROM for a week!!, which is quite a lot of time in my recent days. If you prefer much functionality and perfect, 100% reliable device, go for wm6.1 roms..
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Anyway, ON TOPIC, all 6.5 is a facelift to 6.1 with no real great improvement.
Thats my 2 cents!!
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Yes, like 6.1 was a facelift to 6.0, and 6.0 to 5.0. So what? The latest beta versions of 6.5 are clearly faster than 6.1 and you do not need TF anymore, which by itself slows down WM.
fair question. my advice is to sprite backup ur data. try out each new 6.5 rom cook then, if u don't like it, go back to ur previous rom & do #1 spritr restore.
personally, I found early 6.5 roms really slow & unresponsive so I too abandoned the concept for extreme 2.6.
I have decided to wait til it's officially released. I don't think it's anywhere near ready. oh, and it didn't recognize my sdd card.
the big improvements for me were the big X in top right corner (close button) and the opera like IE browser.
i think many people tried both rom's.
Definetelly i think the bestg for me are 6.1 rom's.
but i agree graphical support of 6.5 rom's is much better.
for all who cook great 6.1 rom's don´t you think it's possible to cook a 6.1 rom with 6.5 presentation ( font's, graphics and so on)?
i speak for me, of course. but i think many people will love that.
Thank's to great cooker's.
6.5 roms offer you the best of both worlds, in terms of user interface.
Really, what you find in 6.1 roms, you can find in 6.5 roms.
Overall, when you use 6.5 roms (e.g., Miri's) you can actually "sense" the stability of the operating system.
Kudos to all cookers!
I prefer 6.1
Although the taskbar is transparent for 6.5 in main screen but if u go into any application i will turn to some ugly color.
I don't know if graphic is really improve in 6.5 because i got the same bug when browsing picture by Picture Video Application for both 6.5 and 6.1
I hate titanium with too big letters on home screen it really killed my background.
I prefer 6.1 for 6.5 dosen't support the file enhancement,so that supermemo will not work well in 6.5
Think this will be another opinionated thread and thus will be closed by a MOD I'd imagine rather shortly
Both WM6.1 & WM6.5 have pro's and con's and to decide which is better is different for every user.
Best just to try both, make your own decisions and stop creating threads like these which clutter the forums.
I'd rather this thread was about apps and features, than just opinions
ie: which apps won't run on 6.5
and which features you need from 6.5 - like market place support , that 6.1 doesn't do
I think these kind of threads are actually quite important as they do answer critical questions.
Since there is no right answer here, and only opinions about what is better, it would be quite fantastic if someone could post a neutral and factual post that compare both top cooked roms (miri & duty) and list the top differences that are consequential to using 6.1 and 6.5.
The value of such a thread is obvious: having an informed decision about what you get with 6.1 vs what you get with 6.5...
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As for my personnal opinion on the matter: well 6.1 reminds me too much of the PDA I had 6 years ago and it depresses me. 6.5 is a marginal evolution, but it is finger friendly (to some extent). TouchFlo is the winner anyway and kudos to HTC for the effort (which shows how retared and unwilling MS with WinMo).
I have to say that neither are up to what I would expect to get in 2009, so unless MS release a fantastic 7 version quickly, I will go back to the iphone or try Android...
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I think these kind of threads are actually quite important as they do answer critical questions.
Since there is no right answer here, and only opinions about what is better, it would be quite fantastic if someone could post a neutral and factual post that compare both top cooked roms (miri & duty) and list the top differences that are consequential to using 6.1 and 6.5.
The value of such a thread is obvious: having an informed decision about what you get with 6.1 vs what you get with 6.5...
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As for my personnal opinion on the matter: well 6.1 reminds me too much of the PDA I had 6 years ago and it depresses me. 6.5 is a marginal evolution, but it is finger friendly (to some extent). TouchFlo is the winner anyway and kudos to HTC for the effort (which shows how retared and unwilling MS with WinMo).
I have to say that neither are up to what I would expect to get in 2009, so unless MS release a fantastic 7 version quickly, I will go back to the iphone or try Android...
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If the thread sticks to factual information like you say and is not based on opinions then fair enough. But if all it is is people stating they prefer one over the other then its not much use and a MOD will close thread......and what critical question has this thread answered?
Over the last few months I have flipped beween the two OS's WM 6.1 and WM 6.5 and have always come back to WM 6.1 as I found WM 6.5 to be buggy and at times sluggish so alway s felt like beta!
However that all changed in the last month or so when I flashed miri's wm6.5 v10 now v12, WM6.5 is now stable and very fast most of my 3rd party apps all work very well the other reasons I would recommend wm6.5 over wm6.1 are better memory management, better kinitic flick scroll, better user customisation and finaly that simple but effective titanium homescreen!
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If the thread sticks to factual information like you say and is not based on opinions then fair enough. But if all it is is people stating they prefer one over the other then its not much use and a MOD will close thread......and what critical question has this thread answered?
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Hi there,
Title says everything.
I know that the HD2 Leo has a bigger processor then our HD, but with (lots of) tweaks on Manila 2.5, will it ever be possible that it runs smooth?
I mean, scrolling in photo's and music in landscape modus in manila is too laggy to use now..
I'm not a ROM cooker, so excuse me if this is a silly question.
I don't believe it can ever come close to running as well on the Leo but I've tried a bunch of them and Flashmore runs pretty dang well on it imho. I've played with the Leo and if the speed of it is a 10 on there Flashmore runs at 7 on ours.
Eventually i think it will. imo the last few versions that leaked have improved on speed and stability. Especially browsing pictures in landscape feels quicker by the build so lets hope it will keep improving. Also some focussing on tweaking the drivers of the blackstone could help us keep up with things
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Eventually i think it will. imo the last few versions that leaked have improved on speed and stability. Especially browsing pictures in landscape feels quicker by the build so lets hope it will keep improving. Also some focussing on tweaking the drivers of the blackstone could help us keep up with things
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Ok, really good to hear! Hope it will then
Else I would almost consider to buy a HD2
I think i've tried all the versions at some point in different ROMS and I have to say it IS getting faster imo.
I think there will alwasy be a gap between how it performs on a LEO to our Blackstone, mainly due to the amount of opitimisation HTC can apply over what the guys here can. Things like graphics drivers and API's.
It is more than usable in the most recent versions and hopefully it will become better and better.
To be honest I think alot of people are going off WM anyway and starting to look at Android as a quicker and smotther OS. At least until WM7 is released...sometime....ahhh...in ummmm let me think....nope 2010 sometime!
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To be honest I think alot of people are going off WM anyway and starting to look at Android as a quicker and smotther OS.
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Doing the same i'm really fed up of winmo sluggishness, even the alpha android builds that are coming from #htc-linux are faster...
Logicalstep said:
To be honest I think alot of people are going off WM anyway and starting to look at Android as a quicker and smotther OS. At least until WM7 is released...sometime....ahhh...in ummmm let me think....nope 2010 sometime!
Logicalstep
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Hmm, maybe android works a lot faster, but I just really like Touchflow, if the animations in landscape music and pictures (and everything else in manila) works flawless, I think I stick to WM and Manila.
Cause in android, you wont have nice animations.. or do you?
the latest builds are getting better and better. all we need is good drivers and little overcloking of the cpu. at 600 Mhz it will be enough to run manilla 2.5 without problems. must say that i tried HD2 and you really need big hands to handle it. our beloved HD has the perfect mensurations.
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must say that i tried HD2 and you really need big hands to handle it. our beloved HD has the perfect mensurations.
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totally agree with you! HD2 is way too big for me, I just love the design of our lovely blackstone
otherwise I think I would have bought the HD2..
Mikenif said:
Eventually i think it will. imo the last few versions that leaked have improved on speed and stability. Especially browsing pictures in landscape feels quicker by the build so lets hope it will keep improving. Also some focussing on tweaking the drivers of the blackstone could help us keep up with things
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I hope for the same outcome, but we have to remember that the Leo ROMs were designed for use on the HD2 hence the reason for why they run so smoothly on that device, which has a bigger processor, more RAM, etc.
If I could afford it, the only reason for why I would want to upgrade to the HD2 would be for a potential Windows 7 ROM release - something which is unlikely to happen on the HD in my opinion.
Regards.
Mastoid said:
If I could afford it, the only reason for why I would want to upgrade to the HD2 would be for a potential Windows 7 ROM release - something which is unlikely to happen on the HD in my opinion.
Regards.
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I think the moment Windows 7 will be out for the HD2 (probably at the end of 2010) there will be much better devices on the market than the HD2, so no use if you buy one now
It can't become as smooth as 2.1. It might be improved, yes, 2.5 was very poor on blackstone at first versions, now it's just poor (talking about speed). I think it's windows 6.5's problem rather than manila. For example there is big difference between two topix roms, wm6.5 and wm6.1 (both are manila 2.1).
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It can't become as smooth as 2.1. It might be improved, yes, 2.5 was very poor on blackstone at first versions, now it's just poor (talking about speed). I think it's windows 6.5's problem rather than manila. For example there is big difference between two topix roms, wm6.5 and wm6.1 (both are manila 2.1).
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so, maybe WM 6.1 with manila 2.5..?
think I rather have a slower manila.. Really don't like WM6.1
Hmm, maybe android works a lot faster, but I just really like Touchflow, if the animations in landscape music and pictures (and everything else in manila) works flawless, I think I stick to WM and Manila.
Cause in android, you wont have nice animations.. or do you?
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Umm yes Android has the lovely animations and they work super smooth on the Hero. the screen transitions from basic settings screen are even nice.
Windows mobile just has that horrible lag when swithcing between any app or screen. The kind of thing the Iphone and android doesn't have.
It may only be a small lag (half a second) but it makes WM look old and slow.
Also you have to remember that the hardware is required by Andorid to have OpenGL ES 2 support, which mean properly implimented drivers. 6.5 doesn;t.
I read alsi that it looks like windows 7 will only support the snapdragon CPU (although I can't see that actually being the case)
Logicalstep
I think Leo is so big!! and its battery could be better.... Our blackstone is the best device...! I think HTC Bravo with Android could be better than our loved Blackstone...
I use leo26 v4 with m2.5.. and I think the manila is running well.. lets wait manila 2.6. and in march wm7!!
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It can't become as smooth as 2.1. It might be improved, yes, 2.5 was very poor on blackstone at first versions, now it's just poor (talking about speed). I think it's windows 6.5's problem rather than manila. For example there is big difference between two topix roms, wm6.5 and wm6.1 (both are manila 2.1).
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Dude you are running 1,5 OS on your device (wm + manila)...so no wonder why it's lame...just give a try to BlackDragonROM...it's as smooth as manila 2.5 can be...do not know if you will like it...but it's smooth. I also prefer android...had a new motorolla last week in my hands...it was smooth as hell...but the downside was...no apps...just a few google apps. They are all online apps...and I am living new france boarder...so online apps can be really expensive in those regions.
Wait for dualcore processors
Qualcomm will in near future release dual core processors with low power consumption. It can go as fast as 2 GHz!!
http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/11/13/qualcomm.snapdragon.2.core/
http://www.articlesbase.com/busines...lcore-processor-challenges-intel-1367074.html
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Qualcomm will in near future release dual core processors with low power consumption. It can go as fast as 2 GHz!!
http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/11/13/qualcomm.snapdragon.2.core/
http://www.articlesbase.com/busines...lcore-processor-challenges-intel-1367074.html
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i think these are more likely to go in low power laptops/netbooks than a mobile device. 1ghz is more than adequate at this point in time and this is before alot of the stuff is even optimised for a processor of this speed.
about ROMs though, i have to agree with the guy on the first page. the flashmore ROM is seriously a smooth manilla 2.5 wm6.5 rom. it impressed me to the point that ive even left topix 2.8 (arguably the fastest blackstone ROM ever) for it. landscape photo and and music tabs wont ever be smooth as the drivers for the blackstone are such that there is a huge fps drop going from portrait to landscape (think what happens in opera) so even if the blackstone had the power, it is let down by drivers and theres nothing we can do about that.
but yea, an interesting question raised by the OP and im glad i took the time to look around the new manilla 2.5 roms.
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Wow you say this in Manilla 2.5 related thread on a ROM cooking forum...
...where WinMo 6.5.3 is available for HD
just saying
anyway back on topic i go
try this, people report Manila speed increase even on HD
also as people say different ROMs work better, the one i currently use works VERY well, i enjoy it
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about ROMs though, i have to agree with the guy on the first page. the flashmore ROM is seriously a smooth manilla 2.5 wm6.5 rom. it impressed me to the point that ive even left topix 2.8 (arguably the fastest blackstone ROM ever) for it.
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Hmm, think I will give Flashmore a try then
Although..I red that the 1.6 Rev3 don't support the landscape modus in the Photo and Music tab? Cause he deleted the Diamond2 Gsensor configuration..?
Thanks everyone for discussing about this subject
EDIT: So I flashed Flashmore 1.6 Rev3.. Ok, manila is fast, but not faster as Mikenificent 7.0 I did install some 3rd apps to test if it would run fast with them..
So back to Mikenificent 7.0 then
OK guys, I hope you won't mind me asking a completely noob question, but my girlfriend wants me to flash a new ROM on her X1. She has the prehistoric old default ROM and it's buggy as hell and it's pissing her off.
She's not a power user at all, but she saw Manila on my HD and loved the simplicity and user-friendliness, so obviously I'm looking for an X1 rom that has Manila 2.5 in it - all on Windows 6.5.
She want's stability and as few bugs as possible. Her everyday use of the phone is 90% phone calling and SMS. She doesn't use WiFi, doesn't play movies on it, couldn't care less about MMS, she never uses hardware keyboard etc. Sometimes she checks her e-mails and does basic social networking on it. You get the picture.
Can you please recommend such a ROM to me? I'm not really going for cutting edge latest builds that have yet to be perfectly polished, but rather something that has been proven stable and reliable.
Any advice would be most appreciated.
Rozenthal
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OK guys, I hope you won't mind me asking a completely noob question, but my girlfriend wants me to flash a new ROM on her X1. She has the prehistoric old default ROM and it's buggy as hell and it's pissing her off.
She's not a power user at all, but she saw Manila on my HD and loved the simplicity and user-friendliness, so obviously I'm looking for an X1 rom that has Manila 2.5 in it - all on Windows 6.5.
She want's stability and as few bugs as possible. Her everyday use of the phone is 90% phone calling and SMS. She doesn't use WiFi, doesn't play movies on it, couldn't care less about MMS, she never uses hardware keyboard etc. Sometimes she checks her e-mails and does basic social networking on it. You get the picture.
Can you please recommend such a ROM to me? I'm not really going for cutting edge latest builds that have yet to be perfectly polished, but rather something that has been proven stable and reliable.
Any advice would be most appreciated.
Rozenthal
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Take a look on my "medium" rom. I don't promote my roms normally (hate doing advertisement) but your requirements quite match (MMS removed and stability) and I am a big fan of your software.
First, thank you for your Fingerkeyboard.
I've read a lot of X1 ROM recommendations, and it seems that many people consider Smaberg's Touch X (WM 6.1) about the most stable and bug-free Manilla ROM ever.
I prefer the combination of SPB Mobile Shell and WM 6.5.5, and your GF might prefer that over Manilla because it's very easily customizeable and finger friendly. The ROM I use is very stable, fast, and bug-free: Williyung's 826X.
Just my two cents.
Have tried plenty but keep coming back to Agent_47's Roms. Been using his FireStorm ROM since version 2.7, he's on 5.8 now and it's damn near perfect. Stable, fast, cutting edge, finger friendly and good looking
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3733009&postcount=2
I've tried several good ROMs but I would agree with Sera_6969: Valkyrie FireStorm Leo would be a good fit to your requirements.
try and find out.
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I'd also like to thank you for your Finger Keyboard!
The best WM 6.1 (and Manila 2.1) would definitely be Smaberg's Touch X 10.1 (sorry Jack! )
But since you're looking for 6.5/Manila 2.5, I'd vote for agent_47's valkyrie as well. I'm currently using the LEO 24001 version and it's fast and stable.
She could also try the latest official ROM (R3A). Still WM 6.1 and no manila, but way better than what she has on her phone (I'm guessing R1).
By the way, the 6.5/2.5 combo is pushing the limits of the X1, 6.5/2.1 is more stable and faster, while keeping finger-friendlyness. But if she's used to the laggy stock ROM, the infrequent hiccups of 2.5 won't much matter to her.
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try and find out.
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Instead of giving an answer I'd also like to say, you'd notice that he is one of a great contributor to XDA with his Finger Keyboard so giving a statement like that is a bit rude. He also stated certain key features which are not needed for daily use which sets him apart from the regular posters who request which ROM is suggested best fit for them.
I'd like to give my personal opinion on which ROMs to use, but being that everything you mentioned is the opposite of my needs I'm unable to.
Thank you again for your great contribution to us with your Finger Keyboard!