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Hi all,
I am seriously considering getting one of these after they showed up in a shop here last week. I spent about ten minutes playing with it and was mightily impressed with the TF3D interace and the accelerometer ball game had me grinning like a schoolboy (haptic feedback kicks butt). One thing I noticed is that the main UI seemd to run pretty slow. It took about a second before the screen would slide to a new page when using gestures, is that normal? I suspect that it is probably a problem with the crummy ROM they had (the Chinese ROM's they put on HTC phones here are worthless, the Hermes was unuseable out of the box, which is is what lead me to find the gold-mine of geniuses here on XDA).
Anyway, to make a long post short, does anyone have any issues wtih speed on thier diamond? Anyone using anything other than a stock ROM at the moment? Thanks!
After having played with TF3D a bit (didn't care much for it), I personally use a "Clean" ROM from Panosha or bElite (plain WM61, without TF3D) and it runs very fast and has 70MB free with SBP Mobile Shell.
My diamond doesn't seem any faster than my old artemis. I've disabled touchflo 3D and it's still just as sluggish as any other slower CPU phone.
mital said:
My diamond doesn't seem any faster than my old artemis. I've disabled touchflo 3D and it's still just as sluggish as any other slower CPU phone.
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Have You changed your ROM, or is it the stock ROM?
currently using a cooked rom from the Dutty and Tom Project team diamond V2. With the TF3D in that is very fast, but that is due to the loss of some animation. such as side to side sweeping,
but that is something which i can live with.
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(1) ... the accelerometer ball game had me grinning like a schoolboy (haptic feedback kicks butt).
(2) One thing I noticed is that the main UI seemd to run pretty slow. It took about a second before the screen would slide to a new page when using gestures, is that normal?
(3) I suspect that it is probably a problem with the crummy ROM they had (the Chinese ROM's they put on HTC phones here are worthless, the Hermes was unuseable out of the box, which is is what lead me to find the gold-mine of geniuses here on XDA).
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I am still with Hermes, but couple of weeks ago went with a friend to get for him Diamond (from ZGC )
This gave me the opportunity to play with original (English) Rom and Chinese one too. Diamond experience ~4+ hours
(1) I felt the same :
(2/3) No, it is not a problem of the "crummy ROM". Diamond performs very slow compared to my Hermes (customized ROM + modifications). My friend runs origianl ROM and is very jealeous about the responsivness and speed of old TyTN
(3) Yes, after I got the TyTN that was the reason to find XDA-Devs too
- My feeling is the interface on Diamond is tooo heavy, which causes raely slow performance. For me personally this device makes sense after getting some clean rom on it. Well, in case getting the device more on "cool factor" side, I think it is coool - but for working device I still preffer what I have now
(perosnaly prefer to wait for Raphael and X1, and then will make my mind about changing device)
As stated, Dutty's ROM shows significant improvements to the performance/speed/stability/touch-sensitivity of the Diamond. I had quite a few complaints myself, about the poor performance of the Diamond as it was OOTB - but I knew that there most likely would be when I bought the phone.. however, i ALSO knew that there were chefs and cooks in these forums who always impress us with their mad-ass skills in creating the best ROMs in terms of performance 'n prettiness. All hail the Diamond chefs and cooks! You've seriously gotten me falling in love with my Diamond even more.
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JeeHaa said:
After having played with TF3D a bit (didn't care much for it), I personally use a "Clean" ROM from Panosha or bElite (plain WM61, without TF3D) and it runs very fast and has 70MB free with SBP Mobile Shell.
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I am also using the Panosha Clean ROM and Mobile Shell 2.1 and the phone absolutely flies, it leaves my Cruise for dead. For me this is the fastest Wm6 phone I have ever owned and I have owned a heap of them.
THanks to everyone for all the responses, it's interesting that the TF3D seems to cause performance issues for a lot of people. That also dissapoints me a but as I was thinking of holding out for the touch-pro, but by checking pdadb.net I see that they will have the same processor so can probably expect similar performance issues....is that correct?
Also, I wasn't knocking all Chinese ROM's, there are some awesome ones out there and I have used several for my hermes, I was knocking the crummy ones the guy at my local shop seems to dig up.
Anyway I guess the thing to do is wait for the deelopers here to come up with a fast ROM for these devices that doesn't sacrifice TF3D. I am sure they will figure it out and I wil absolutely DONATE, as should everyone who keeps a ROM on thier phone for more than a few days. THe fact is that our devices would suck without the work of people in the community and we should give something back to those who put down hard-earned money to be the first to buy these phones and then spend the time to make them work for the rest of us. Just my 2 cents....
I think this is a big shame for such a big community to not have xperia panel working on HD. Almost a year passed and still there is no successful rom.
Nowadays we should use something like "[ROM] [July20] [Celestial SExperia Ultimate v3.2] [All panels working perfectly and smooth, very verf fast and stable!!!]. But we don't.
I think most people will glad to see something entirely new on their phone instead updating same thing. Likewise, it could be fun for the developers.
And i am ready to support.. Since i am not a coder, i can only donate.
Anyway.. What do you say guys??
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I think this is a big shame for such a big community to not have xperia panel working on HD. Almost a year passed and still there is no successful rom.
Nowadays we should use something like "[ROM] [July20] [Celestial SExperia Ultimate v3.2] [All panels working perfectly and smooth, very verf fast and stable!!!]. But we don't.
I think most people will glad to see something entirely new on their phone instead updating same thing. Likewise, it could be fun for the developers.
And i am ready to support.. Since i am not a coder, i can only donate.
Anyway.. What do you say guys??
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I agree with you celestial123!!
Come on guys you are all great developers.
some developers are already working on it but it wouldn't be easy.
As the X1 panel has many things hardcode into the programme. unlike HTC, they are from the same manufacturer and the compatibility is better (HTC wants to reuse code on most of its phone).
p.s. I know X1 is made by HTC.. but the software isn't.
my friend has a x1, he told me the panels ist good as toucflo, he uses a rom with tflo.. but i d like to test the panels....
it comes down to personal preferences. Manila is just fine for me, looking forward to a proper working M2.5.
itje started a project on that a while back, I have not seen any progress in quite a while now.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=465547
I think the Chefs are doing their job perfectly, testing out manila 2.5 for us, and giving us a taste of it. I think they should stay on the road they are travelling, I would prefer manila 2.5 over panels.
I really agree with OnlinePredator
I think X-panel can give us a new face to our HTC device
But for me, nothing more complete as a whole package than TF3D, if we look after the functionality.
I prefer TF3D over panel, even Titanium, cause it's all there!
But I'd like to test panel too
To be honest I think Panels on the HD is a waste of time, TF3D is better and is improving all the time. There are some cool little things with the panels like the fish and stuff, but it's all for show.
Panels working really nicely would be a nice little bonus to have a bit of a play with but I think most ROM developers are focused on providing a better and more usable experience for users than HTC provides, panels wouldn't aid this to be honest.
Looking forward we all gonna buy new devices in few months, chiefs included.
Panels or Android on Hd don't have sense. It's already hard to make Manila run the smoothest way...
I would be sooo happy to run these features ! (as I always wanted to ).
But it seems to be almost impossible.
And even if someone reaches it, most of us will be under Android.
So why loosing time on something we won't need ?
If you want my two cents, each chef has the right to do want they want to do. If it appears that the no chef is working on getting the panels onto the HD, it is most likely because of a number of reasons, mainly because they either haven't time or do not want the panels.
I too agree with OnlinePredator. I think the Chefs are doing a great job and I'm looking forward to a stable, smooth manila 2.5 with few bugs.
IMHO I prefer manila 2.5 over the panels and I believe a lot of chef's also have same feelings.
I've been working on getting the panels working for a while.
I used to have an X1, and can fairly convincingly say that the panels are a waste of time for most parts, so I've been playing with them, basically because I can, its been more of an academic exercise than anything..
Now you can quite happily get one or two of the basic panels working, there are even cabs out there that do it, but some of the others (the almost useful ones) such as the last media browser dont work, there are hardcoded calls to some X1 bits, bits that dont seem to work on the HD.
I've resorted to hexediting the dlls to get it working, but when I manage to get one bit sorted another one pops up and causes problems..
I was getting far too frustrated with it, and as others have said manila 2.5 is so much more interesting, that i havent done anything for a while on the panels.
I think one of the reasons we have so many good chefs here, is that HTC has provided us a very poor stock ROM and no aftersales support. We need cooked ROMs which are closed to what we are expecting for.
Panel is just an option.
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I've been working on getting the panels working for a while.
I used to have an X1, and can fairly convincingly say that the panels are a waste of time for most parts, so I've been playing with them, basically because I can, its been more of an academic exercise than anything..
Now you can quite happily get one or two of the basic panels working, there are even cabs out there that do it, but some of the others (the almost useful ones) such as the last media browser dont work, there are hardcoded calls to some X1 bits, bits that dont seem to work on the HD.
I've resorted to hexediting the dlls to get it working, but when I manage to get one bit sorted another one pops up and causes problems..
I was getting far too frustrated with it, and as others have said manila 2.5 is so much more interesting, that i havent done anything for a while on the panels.
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Thanks for update on this bro
can some one recomend a rom for speed and reliability thats stripped down but still has most features of new wm6.5 packages but not bothered about manilla or titanium... the plan is to run a very fast reliable rom then install all the apps i like and have spb mobile shel 3.5 as the ui i think this will make the smoothest and eye candy combo ava'bke for tp2.
anyone come in with any input please! discussion...
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can some one recomend a rom for speed and reliability thats stripped down but still has most features of new wm6.5 packages but not bothered about manilla or titanium... the plan is to run a very fast reliable rom then install all the apps i like and have spb mobile shel 3.5 as the ui i think this will make the smoothest and eye candy combo ava'bke for tp2.
anyone come in with any input please! discussion...
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look at josh perfect black, hey have a stript version and i.m use the full one and that one is really fast
well i am goin 2 try that! and install the missing apps i need thats been stripped out.
what makes a device faster surley it dont matter how many apps are installed i am sure the amount of services running in the back ground are though.
i will be interested to see how a stripped rom using nothing but spb shell 3.5 runs compaired to manilla and titanium. idealy i think 6.1 is fater than 6.5 so maybe will use 6.1 rom as the base as 6.5 holds no other features imo other than a horrible start menu and a few different layouts in the settings etc.
i want services like face book twitter msn hotmail/live and location and weather on all the time but any other service can be stopped / took out if the device will still work with out it and not limit me to installing any future apps.
why dont chefs cook in spb shell and lose the htc crap ( its a hardware company imo and a damn good one best mobile hardware out there) all being let down by the aplications and reliability.
ff topic
look at hd2 specs they blow all others away yet when ever some one uses our fone or we show are mates something low and behold it will make u look a prick and freeze or not do what it should have done anyone else feel this lol!
dont get me wrong i am a hard core winmo guy and allways will be but part of me is wanting an iphone 3gs as a "2nd" fone for games and social front cause winmo is lagging behind.. there emulators work brillantly so do there gps apps now they hav tomtom and even sky sports and a banking app from natwest grrr whats going on! lol
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why dont chefs cook in spb shell and lose the htc crap
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SPB software is not free and sold at retail, if chefs were to cook software like this in, it would open up a massive can of worms.
Chefs respect (or should) the intellectual property of others, so this will never happen.
and htc and microsoft are free and open to be copied changed and edited? its all a grey area but i agree we dont want to be atracting the wrong attention indeed. like microsoft spokes person said its up the the manufactures and htc said about the chefs out there we cant live with them and we cant live with out them meaning they know that cooked roms sell there devices cause neither of them can get it rite in the first place... spb i suppose ont deserve to be dragged in/ ripped off cause like you say there a seperate entity// maybe someone can show us how to cook it our selves for ppl that own the software?
you can flash a lite rom without manila and htc staff, then install spb software or others by yourself
I HIGHLY recommend The Cell Series V7. Fast and looks the best!
Valkyrie's ROMS are excellent
Any ROM in here is a good choice!
PS: How will define eye candy and speed? If you can define that two, then suggesting a suitable ROM might be easy...
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and htc and microsoft are free and open to be copied changed and edited? its all a grey area but i agree we dont want to be atracting the wrong attention indeed. like microsoft spokes person said its up the the manufactures and htc said about the chefs out there we cant live with them and we cant live with out them meaning they know that cooked roms sell there devices cause neither of them can get it rite in the first place... spb i suppose ont deserve to be dragged in/ ripped off cause like you say there a seperate entity// maybe someone can show us how to cook it our selves for ppl that own the software?
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very insightful
I prefer the NRGZ28 ROMS.
No, I prefer the Deepshining.
Well, I prefer the Valkyrie.
I think the Cell series are the best.
How about Jackos, Twopumpchump, Josh's, LeoPard, Mccune, AthineOS, Aruppenthal, Bhar's, Da_G, daxy, Sergio, eras2r, ...
Stop asking which is best. It is a matter of opinion and need. And the answer is different for us all or we would just have the Miscrosft version and xda wouldn't be needed. Try them until you find what you are looking for, or cook your own.
Please close this thread and those like it.
Im waiting for my new phone Rhodium dah
And i have been looking around for different ROMs and i cant find anything that im looking for.
My old phone (X1) i ran a WM 6.5 barebone version that means no extra "stuff" or themes and on just plain simple WM 6.5 because i rum Spb Mobile shell i like the animations and so on in it so it feels waste of resources to run like TouchFLO and so on.
And when im typing this i could take the chans and ask about the Manila & Sense, Are they different version of TouchFLO 3D? never got the hang of that part :/
Thanks for all help in advance
Hi danne.
this topic is probably going to be closed soon, since this question is asked alot on this forum.
and usually, the answer is something like, take your time and install different roms to see wich one you like.
personally, I recommend you the T.I.R. explosion rom, cause it is stable and doesn't have lots of programs installed.
so it runs on the bare minimum, which is what you are looking for as far as I hear.
then again, this is my personal opinion and probably there are lots of other people around here who will tell you to try another rom.
and they are all right, so please, try them out and enjoy them all
love
fuzz
I don't know why it should be closed because ppl want to know what tip and what they should run. I mean in this case something "barebone" i all the ROMs i have been looking at i full with extra apps and other flashy teams..
Is this what you mean? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=587419&highlight=explosion+rom
Thats not exactly what im looking for, I want a standard WM 6.5 not with a modified menu system or desktop.
Or if you should find a brebone some functions of the phone has been removed.. like radio. The point with barebone is not to remove functions that the phone has but to minimize the usage of memory and thems that you are never going to use. And maybe have the Themes like extra CABs or something.
im currently running a perceft barebone WM 6.5 with Spb mobile shel on my X1 and that is mutch faster then i ran a ROM with touchFLO and stuff and then mobile shell on top.
Test a several till you find the one that fits better for your needs and share it with us!
And don´t forget to vote for Rhodium"!"!
Seems that no one understands what "Standard WM 6.5" means
Anyway................
How about the TouchFlO stuff?, 3D,Manila,Sense,MaxManila and so on, What is the difference?
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Seems that no one understands what "Standard WM 6.5" means
Anyway................
How about the TouchFlO stuff?, 3D,Manila,Sense,MaxManila and so on, What is the difference?
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Manila is mostly the same as both TouchFlo3D and Sense. Since Sense is name HTC calls the TouchFlo3D in newer devices with newer properties.
And the name "Manila ver x.x.xxxxxxx"(for instance: manila v2.1.xxxxxx are usually for TouchFlo3D and v2.5.xxxxxxxxx are for Sense) is mostly used in xda and devs forums because the source files of both TouchFlo3D and Sense is called as Manila in the windoes or Android directories.
I dunno much about MaxManila but what I think about your rom decision is the same as most people, you'll probably end up with spending hours in the forum and another hours for installing - testing - reinstalling roms to your device and trying to be careful about your data, but in the end I'm sure you'll find what you really want.
Standard WM 6.5? The non-touch screen OS? Or a bare-bones version of the WM 6.5 that comes on touch screen devices (a.k.a. WM 6.5 Professional)?
If you are talking about WM 6.5 professional versions, my advice would be to look at the various posts on the ROMs and read what those who have come before you think. Do the negatives out weigh the positives? How many bugs?
Personall, I like NRG's work. Stable and efficient.
I must admit that NRG does a great job! example:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=562773&highlight=EnergyROM
Seems to support landscape and stuff and seems to use the latest stuff.
Danne84 said:
Im waiting for my new phone Rhodium dah
And i have been looking around for different ROMs and i cant find anything that im looking for.
My old phone (X1) i ran a WM 6.5 barebone version that means no extra "stuff" or themes and on just plain simple WM 6.5 because i rum Spb Mobile shell i like the animations and so on in it so it feels waste of resources to run like TouchFLO and so on.
And when im typing this i could take the chans and ask about the Manila & Sense, Are they different version of TouchFLO 3D? never got the hang of that part :/
Thanks for all help in advance
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None of them! Cause none are stable enough and only 1 contains landscape.
Danne84 said:
Im waiting for my new phone Rhodium dah
And i have been looking around for different ROMs and i cant find anything that im looking for.
My old phone (X1) i ran a WM 6.5 barebone version that means no extra "stuff" or themes and on just plain simple WM 6.5 because i rum Spb Mobile shell i like the animations and so on in it so it feels waste of resources to run like TouchFLO and so on.
And when im typing this i could take the chans and ask about the Manila & Sense, Are they different version of TouchFLO 3D? never got the hang of that part :/
Thanks for all help in advance
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I haven't tried it, but this sounds about like what you're looking for: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=604893
And this NRGZ ROM has just a Titanium version. Titanium, however, is just another overlay/launcher like Sense, just not as complex.
I think Energy's roms are great,but the only issue about it is his roms are not so "energy",meaning battery life is not so good.
Rhodium_AF is also nice.
As for ROM's themselves i've notice in the past year here on the XDA forums that roms have become very similar to each other with very minor differences between them in the speed and the way they look. This as become more so since people have been cooking with wm6.5
Personally i am not bothered by this because i like the more business-like look of the ROMs and i am not embarrsed to pull my phone out and show off my new GUI. And not look like the more immiture ones from a couple of years back
personally after looking around the ones by NRGZ28 seem the most ascetically pleasing of the lot and seem to have positive reviews regaurding speed
As of now, valkerie's 23518-F5 rom got all thumbs up for tp2.
NRGZ > Fast roms, with almost no trouble at all.
Ark66 > Custom rom with a stock lay out, my own experience is that this rom freezes every 2 days, if not every day
Still I love the Ark66 theme and stuff that's why I am constantly switching between those 2.
I like dotcompt Roms, awesome work with the Diamond and now amazing Rhodium Roms.
Download DeepShining v11, it is simple the best there is.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=571892
OMG!
I prefer the NRGZ28 ROMS.
No, I prefer the Deepshining.
Well, I prefer the Valkyrie.
I think the Cell series are the best.
How about Jackos, Twopumpchump, Josh's, LeoPard, Mccune, AthineOS, Aruppenthal, Bhar's, Da_G, daxy, Sergio, eras2r, ...
Stop asking which is best. It is a matter of opinion and need. And the answer is different for us all or we would just have the Miscrosft version and xda wouldn't be needed. Try them until you find what you are looking for, or cook your own.
Please close this thread and those like it.
OK guys, I hope you won't mind me asking a completely noob question, but my girlfriend wants me to flash a new ROM on her X1. She has the prehistoric old default ROM and it's buggy as hell and it's pissing her off.
She's not a power user at all, but she saw Manila on my HD and loved the simplicity and user-friendliness, so obviously I'm looking for an X1 rom that has Manila 2.5 in it - all on Windows 6.5.
She want's stability and as few bugs as possible. Her everyday use of the phone is 90% phone calling and SMS. She doesn't use WiFi, doesn't play movies on it, couldn't care less about MMS, she never uses hardware keyboard etc. Sometimes she checks her e-mails and does basic social networking on it. You get the picture.
Can you please recommend such a ROM to me? I'm not really going for cutting edge latest builds that have yet to be perfectly polished, but rather something that has been proven stable and reliable.
Any advice would be most appreciated.
Rozenthal
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OK guys, I hope you won't mind me asking a completely noob question, but my girlfriend wants me to flash a new ROM on her X1. She has the prehistoric old default ROM and it's buggy as hell and it's pissing her off.
She's not a power user at all, but she saw Manila on my HD and loved the simplicity and user-friendliness, so obviously I'm looking for an X1 rom that has Manila 2.5 in it - all on Windows 6.5.
She want's stability and as few bugs as possible. Her everyday use of the phone is 90% phone calling and SMS. She doesn't use WiFi, doesn't play movies on it, couldn't care less about MMS, she never uses hardware keyboard etc. Sometimes she checks her e-mails and does basic social networking on it. You get the picture.
Can you please recommend such a ROM to me? I'm not really going for cutting edge latest builds that have yet to be perfectly polished, but rather something that has been proven stable and reliable.
Any advice would be most appreciated.
Rozenthal
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Take a look on my "medium" rom. I don't promote my roms normally (hate doing advertisement) but your requirements quite match (MMS removed and stability) and I am a big fan of your software.
First, thank you for your Fingerkeyboard.
I've read a lot of X1 ROM recommendations, and it seems that many people consider Smaberg's Touch X (WM 6.1) about the most stable and bug-free Manilla ROM ever.
I prefer the combination of SPB Mobile Shell and WM 6.5.5, and your GF might prefer that over Manilla because it's very easily customizeable and finger friendly. The ROM I use is very stable, fast, and bug-free: Williyung's 826X.
Just my two cents.
Have tried plenty but keep coming back to Agent_47's Roms. Been using his FireStorm ROM since version 2.7, he's on 5.8 now and it's damn near perfect. Stable, fast, cutting edge, finger friendly and good looking
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3733009&postcount=2
I've tried several good ROMs but I would agree with Sera_6969: Valkyrie FireStorm Leo would be a good fit to your requirements.
try and find out.
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I'd also like to thank you for your Finger Keyboard!
The best WM 6.1 (and Manila 2.1) would definitely be Smaberg's Touch X 10.1 (sorry Jack! )
But since you're looking for 6.5/Manila 2.5, I'd vote for agent_47's valkyrie as well. I'm currently using the LEO 24001 version and it's fast and stable.
She could also try the latest official ROM (R3A). Still WM 6.1 and no manila, but way better than what she has on her phone (I'm guessing R1).
By the way, the 6.5/2.5 combo is pushing the limits of the X1, 6.5/2.1 is more stable and faster, while keeping finger-friendlyness. But if she's used to the laggy stock ROM, the infrequent hiccups of 2.5 won't much matter to her.
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try and find out.
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Instead of giving an answer I'd also like to say, you'd notice that he is one of a great contributor to XDA with his Finger Keyboard so giving a statement like that is a bit rude. He also stated certain key features which are not needed for daily use which sets him apart from the regular posters who request which ROM is suggested best fit for them.
I'd like to give my personal opinion on which ROMs to use, but being that everything you mentioned is the opposite of my needs I'm unable to.
Thank you again for your great contribution to us with your Finger Keyboard!