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i get my g1 tommoroow and i am thinkiing of jailbraking or rooting it right away... just for the cupcake update and etc... if i dont like this can i unroot or unjailbroken and make my fone completely normal and stock again???? please answer... everyones option welcome
rchace08 said:
i get my g1 tommoroow and i am thinkiing of jailbraking or rooting it right away... just for the cupcake update and etc... if i dont like this can i unroot or unjailbroken and make my fone completely normal and stock again???? please answer... everyones option welcome
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When you buy the phone it should come with cupcake, if not it will tell you that there's an update available and prompt you to download and install it.
Yes, you can return the phone to it's stock "unrooted" firmware whenever you want.
Btw, it's called "rooting" not "jailbreaking"...
ok so is your g1 rooted.. do u like it.. do u think i should... i am a guy in his 20's and i am not mr tech but def. am into tech stuff. so i know somewhat. but i just feel like i should for the third party apps. etc etc.. and if i root it.. will tmobile or google still tell me when there is a update avaiable
thanks for the help.. sorry i am a noob with g1 stuff
and i was gonna use this 3 part youtube video to do the rooting.. does it look ok??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOo2V9qCauc&feature=channel_page
rchace08 said:
ok so is your g1 rooted.. do u like it.. do u think i should... i am a guy in his 20's and i am not mr tech but def. am into tech stuff. so i know somewhat. but i just feel like i should for the third party apps. etc etc.. and if i root it.. will tmobile or google still tell me when there is a update avaiable
thanks for the help.. sorry i am a noob with g1 stuff
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Yes, My G1 is rooted. To be honest I was kicking myself for not rooting it sooner, I love it. I can't really tell you if you should do it or not. The great thing about it is you can experiment with different ROMs/firmwares as much as you want or you can just flash one you like and keep it for as long as you want.
If you have root you can
1) Flash ROMs like Cyanogen mod which are optimized for performance.
2) Flash themes to change the look of your phone...
3) Move apps to your memory card so you have more space for them
If any of those appeal to you then you might want to root. Be prepared to read up a bit first, it helps if you know a little bit about linux too. I'm 15 btw, this rooting stuff isn't very hard ;-)
if i root the fone to the youtube video i showed you.. is there anything else i should install or anythign
and if i root the fone.. and like 5 months from now somehtign silly and little happens when i am on the fone with tmobile support when the guy is walking me throuhg somehitng and i didnt tell him its rooted is everythign gonna be different .. and where do i find unrooting directions etc
rchace08 said:
and if i root the fone.. and like 5 months from now somehtign silly and little happens when i am on the fone with tmobile support when the guy is walking me throuhg somehitng and i didnt tell him its rooted is everythign gonna be different .. and where do i find unrooting directions etc
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*Don't* use that video, it's very outdated. There is a much simpler "one-click" method that will do that same thing.
You will always be able to recovery your phone if you are just flashing ROMs. If you're flashing SPLs (your phones bootloader) then there is a possibility you could brick your phone. In that case Tmo should replace your phone as long as you say that it wasn't bricked because of you rooting it. Btw, you really shouldn't worry, G1's are hard to brick.
Download a stable cyanogen rom, flash reboot , check to see all is working, power down, restart into recovery and make a nandroid backup for just in cases, reboot, download cmiupdater to stay up to date but just stick with stable builds unless you what to be a guina pig. Sit back and enjoy a great os, laugh at your friends with crappy iphones
Okay so before i mess with my phone again..lol
i rooted my phone with Fresh Kitchen
what does that put my phone at? lol
like ive been looking around is my phone rooted with 2.1 or whats the deal?
i wanna know what cool theme i can put on with out jackin up my phone again hahah
plz and thanks
this just roots your phone..
you are still at 1.5
read up on how to flash roms :]
okay! thanks man got a link? or shall i just google like ive been doing hahah
Very first thing you should do is.. Turn off phone.
Hold down home + power button.. Scroll down to backup/restore.
Then do a nano backup... Not the one with ext.
Then boot your phone back up and open up your sdcard on your comp and go to nandroid/file inside it/ then copy that file to your computer. Always keep it safe.
okay will do!
since im on 1.5 how would i put on 2.1 or whatever..lol
i see some bad ass themes around lol
Jw..heres a link
about 2 comments down you see a picture of a San Fransico theme. Totaly awesome does he have that in Twin Cities? Im from Minnesota lol..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=665113
AndroidFAN101 said:
okay will do!
since im on 1.5 how would i put on 2.1 or whatever..lol
i see some bad ass themes around lol
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http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=CDMA Hero ROMs
Here is a list of roms.. I prefer damage control 2.07.2 or fresh 2.0d
Download the file and save the .zip file to your sd card.. NOT IN A FOLDER
Boot into recovery and then go to wipe.. Wipe factory/data and dalvik
Press back then go to flash from sdcard.. Find the rom you put on there, click it and watch it go.
After its done reboot your phone and wait.
After that i would prefer reading on how to customize it from there..
REMEMBER TO ALWAYS BACK A NANO BACKUP BEFORE FLASHING ANYTHING
alright!!!
thanks man!!!
Damn! these forums are very helpful!<3
alright!!!
thanks man!!!
Damn! these forums are very helpful!<3
1 question..i did fresh rom 2.0 and did everything the only problem running the rom is it says E:corupt file: verfication failed
whats the deal man?
AndroidFAN101 said:
1 question..i did fresh rom 2.0 and did everything the only problem running the rom is it says E:corupt file: verfication failed
whats the deal man?
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corrupted dl would be my guess. delete from root, redownload, and pop it back on your sd. reeemmmmeeemmmmbbbbbeeerrrr
always nandroid
i tryed that alrdy still no go :/
id really like to have this 2.0 cause all the tight themes ive seen is running 2.0
i put in the 1.1 or whatever and i cant find any themes for it..everything is under 2.0..
AndroidFAN101 said:
i tryed that alrdy still no go :/
id really like to have this 2.0 cause all the tight themes ive seen is running 2.0
i put in the 1.1 or whatever and i cant find any themes for it..everything is under 2.0..
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what recovery are you using?
you might try a different rom (regawmod is my daily)
idkwtf your talking about theres a billion themes for 1.5
ohh, and fyi, its 2.1, not 2.0
lol where can i find them?!?!
umm..im a noob at this just started yesterday with this root ****..i thought i was tight **** when i figure to get free apps with APK hahah now im moving on to this
um..recovery im using Freshkitchen..in my sd card recovery is
recovery-RA-heroc-v1.6.2?!?! lol
lend me some links for the 1.5 lol plz and thanks i cant find any..
Recovery would be the place you get to when you press and hold home+power at the same time.
And you should be flashing a rom from that.
ooo so when im pressin home and turn on its that green and black screen i get? aight aight i see
well thats it i guess lol its whatever is stock to Fresh Kitchen i guess.
Download DamageControl http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=656690. It will be in the very first post.. Boot into recovery.. POWER DOWN....HOLD DOWN HOME+POWER...
Follow the steps someone already said. It just sounds like its a bad download. If you look at the ROM Wiki and scroll down to 2.1 ROMs. There are all the ROMs on this forum.
Also never, ever try to flash anything made for GSM...Always make sure it is for CDMA---Sprint. If you do you phone is screwed.
And like everyone else says Nandroid is your best friend..Well, next to this website.
The only problem with that link is when i click download its taking a while to load then it says connection has timed out..
for the love of god and all that is holy stay in these forums.
do not go searching other places for ROMs.
Why do I say this? Because there is a GSM version of the hero and if you flash a GSM rom then you will fry your phone.
I don't want to see you back here in a a week and be like... "HELP! so yeah, I flashed a rom on my hero and it won't turn on. lol. how can I fix it?"
I will save you the trouble of starting a thread. You won't be able to fix it.
**Edit: I was completely wrong.. I figured out everything, i know what i'm doing now lol.. thanks guys.
My first time rooting was a couple days ago when i had learned about the "1 Click Root" method...
I succeeded, got that latest ROM (to my knowledge) CM6 RC2 from the trusty (lol) ROM Manager.. which i enjoy a lot since im rooted and what not. I also themed my ROM a couple times to (what i think) are pretty cool themes..
But anyways, to make a boring story short (lol).. I absolutely hate (with a passion) wiping my data to my phone when i see or hear about this awesome new theme i want.. people say it is a must to wipe ur phones data to apply the "best" effect..
This gets REALLY old.. i had to do this like three times yesterday because i kept seeing new themes i wanted lol.. Re-entering passwords and re downloading all of your apps everytime you want a new ROM or want to apply a theme is too much work for how "great" rooting is.. Dont get me wrong, i love the new style of my phone, it looks amazing, but man! do i really have to keep wiping data to apply the things i want??
I now, noticed that all my contacts are not my phone. Only the contacts phones numbers on facebook that i had sync'd.. "My" contacts that i have in my phone are not there.. I imported them from my sim card and re-booted, but still not there.. Could this be because of my theme?
To what really made me mad was my camera, it keeps force closing.. Is this also because of the theme? I have the normal radio ending in 4.06.00.12_7.. I do not know if it didnt work before i applied the theme or when i rooted, i just realized last night it didnt work.. i do not want to re flash cm6 to see if the camera is working just because i do not want to "start" all over again.. with wiping and all that... if i have to, sadly, i will.
I had stock froyo frf91 before i rooted my phone.. in all honesty, should i just un root my phone and go back to the way it was? because if i have to keep wiping data, and starting over, im going to blow a fuse lol..
*** Sorry for my aggressive tone everybody, i just would like everything to be a smooth ride wth no wiping and i can apply themes as easy as 123 without losing data.. is there any ROM or theme that you could recommend?
please, someone help me... thanks xda community
I don't ever wipe when I upgrade to the next version of cyan, so I don't lose a single thing. People say to wipe if you have problems. But you shouldn't have problems which means you don't need to wipe. It runs perfectly fine for me this way with no issues at all, no force closes, etc.
RogerPodacter said:
I don't ever wipe when I upgrade to the next version of cyan, so I don't lose a single thing. People say to wipe if you have problems. But you shouldn't have problems which means you don't need to wipe. It runs perfectly fine for me this way with no issues at all, no force closes, etc.
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Really? hmm.. ok thanks man.. but in rom manager when you downlaod something, it brings up an option saying backup and wipe.. do i have to click that or can i just cancel and just go ahead and reboot..?
The way I do it (maybe not the fastest) is to set up your rom exactly how you want it, nandroid, then install any mods that might eff up your installation. Once you've installed the mod and you're 100% sure mms/wifi/bt/gmail/etc are all working, you can nandroid again and use that as your base.
The only time you'd need to wipe is if you want to set up another rom so you could switch back and forth between different roms.
And by different roms I don't mean updates within roms, like CM6 nightlies or enom's updates, I mean completely different roms like CM6 as opposed to enom.
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The way I do it (maybe not the fastest) is to set up your rom exactly how you want it, nandroid, then install any mods that might eff up your installation. Once you've installed the mod and you're 100% sure mms/wifi/bt/gmail/etc are all working, you can nandroid again and use that as your base.
The only time you'd need to wipe is if you want to set up another rom so you could switch back and forth between different roms.
And by different roms I don't mean updates within roms, like CM6 nightlies or enom's updates, I mean completely different roms like CM6 as opposed to enom.
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Ok thank you.. what about for themes and what not...? it says i have to wipe as well....
Your problem looks to be trying to navigate complicated stuff with lack of skills.
There is a good reason to root "old-fashioned" way, without 1-click stuff: if you read all you need to read and understand (various guides that teach you how to work with recovery etc) to root, then you won't get lost when rooted. Now you're trying to do stuff without even knowing, how things work, and let me guess - you didn't read any guide, you don't know how to work with recovery w/o ROM manager and don't know how to load a ROM, etc.
My suggestion is - go to Development section, open the stickies with guides and start reading. Do the same in General section, and don't skip the Wiki either.
Root brings you full control of the system, and it's excellent - knowing your way you can do tons of stuff, theming being the least interesting/important. But to control, you need to know and understand more than "1-click stuff".
Or you can just go back to stock, if you see no added value in a rooted phone.
matholomus said:
Ok thank you.. what about for themes and what not...? it says i have to wipe as well....
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What theme are you talking about, I don't recall seeing any themes requiring a wipe.
The only thing I can think of is a pre-themed rom. If you don't know the difference between a theme and a themed rom, you should follow Jack's advice and read up.
Your mistake is thinking that because there is an option to wipe in Rom Manager, then it must be necessary. No it isn't. The option is there for the people who want to wipe, but upgrading from one CM to another won't need it, themes won't need it, etc.
It is your job to know when it is needed or not. And you get that by reading and understanding how your phone works.
just wipe the Cache and the Dalvik Cache, the only time you must fully wipe is if you get boot loop when flashing a new rom/mod/etc.
matholomus said:
Really? hmm.. ok thanks man.. but in rom manager when you downlaod something, it brings up an option saying backup and wipe.. do i have to click that or can i just cancel and just go ahead and reboot..?
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You just uncheck the wipe one. Besides you can just use recovery and don't have to use ROM manager.
matholomus said:
Ok thank you.. what about for themes and what not...? it says i have to wipe as well....
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You certainly do not wipe to install a theme. That makes no sense! You would lose all your data all the time.
matholomus said:
My first time rooting was a couple days ago when i had learned about the "1 Click Root" method...
I succeeded, got that latest ROM (to my knowledge) CM6 RC2 from the trusty (lol) ROM Manager.. which i enjoy a lot since im rooted and what not. I also themed my ROM a couple times to (what i think) are pretty cool themes..
But anyways, to make a boring story short (lol).. I absolutely hate (with a passion) wiping my data to my phone when i see or hear about this awesome new theme i want.. people say it is a must to wipe ur phones data to apply the "best" effect..
This gets REALLY old.. i had to do this like three times yesterday because i kept seeing new themes i wanted lol.. Re-entering passwords and re downloading all of your apps everytime you want a new ROM or want to apply a theme is too much work for how "great" rooting is.. Dont get me wrong, i love the new style of my phone, it looks amazing, but man! do i really have to keep wiping data to apply the things i want??
I now, noticed that all my contacts are not my phone. Only the contacts phones numbers on facebook that i had sync'd.. "My" contacts that i have in my phone are not there.. I imported them from my sim card and re-booted, but still not there.. Could this be because of my theme?
To what really made me mad was my camera, it keeps force closing.. Is this also because of the theme? I have the normal radio ending in 4.06.00.12_7.. I do not know if it didnt work before i applied the theme or when i rooted, i just realized last night it didnt work.. i do not want to re flash cm6 to see if the camera is working just because i do not want to "start" all over again.. with wiping and all that... if i have to, sadly, i will.
I had stock froyo frf91 before i rooted my phone.. in all honesty, should i just un root my phone and go back to the way it was? because if i have to keep wiping data, and starting over, im going to blow a fuse lol..
*** Sorry for my aggressive tone everybody, i just would like everything to be a smooth ride wth no wiping and i can apply themes as easy as 123 without losing data.. is there any ROM or theme that you could recommend?
please, someone help me... thanks xda community
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I'm still running stock unrooted. One off the main reason why i don't really want to root is because I know how customizable our phones are, and i love new things.. like you, if i was to see a new theme Or rom I'd jump on it straight away. I don't think I'd ever stop!!
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zok-star said:
I'm still running stock unrooted. One off the main reason why i don't really want to root is because I know how customizable our phones are, and i love new things.. like you, if i was to see a new theme Or rom I'd jump on it straight away. I don't think I'd ever stop!!
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App
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Honestly that's exactly why I didn't root for 3 months. But once I found my exact setup now I just know how to setup each new ROM quickly. After that point now its just fun to tinker the phone and try the cyan nightly. It's really better to just root it. I was in the same spot as you I know what you mean.
zok-star said:
I'm still running stock unrooted. One off the main reason why i don't really want to root is because I know how customizable our phones are, and i love new things.. like you, if i was to see a new theme Or rom I'd jump on it straight away. I don't think I'd ever stop!!
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Hey bud, i was absolutely wrong on my post, deleting everything is not what you have to do, it gives you an *option to do it.. The one click method is great man.. no harm is done, the bootloader is still locked.. you can unroot if you dont like it.. btw, if you root, ur gonna love it lol.. there is so many options into customizing ur phone!! I still haven't stopped haha its great bro I'm tellin ya
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It does not like our phones. Has great options but.......it sucks. Everytime I flash it on my phone my recovery goes bad in a cpl days. Never had this problem with RA. Do a search rom manager pops up all over the place with bad recoveries. Stop using it ppl. Im sure ill get flamed for this but oh well. Kinda tired of reading of noobs that fall victim to a .apk that seems very easy to use until it craps out and then your stuck at the airport with a bad recovery and ADB no where in sight. Or even if u had ADB you still have no clue how to fix it!!!!!!!!!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=742007
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=762325
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7443928&highlight=revovery#post7443928
I couldn't agree more.
never used it thank goodness.........
Never happened to me
EDIT: Sorry for my rudeness, anyways, people should know that it's not the greatest idea to use rom manager with cm5/cm6. It has already been established that it may be a bad idea to use the program with the following roms. Sorry I get really cranky in the mornings, not the best idea to come onto the forum with some old news :|
protomanez said:
Never happened to me, you're obviously too stupid to use it.
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I have never used it and I agree with him just from all the posts I have seen related too it messing up people's recovery images. Does that make me stupid?
I've used it for a few weeks now with no problems on my MyTouch on 1.6, 2.1, and 2.2 ROMs. Not saying others aren't having legitimate issues, but people in general are much more likely to post negative reports than positive ones.
protomanez said:
Never happened to me, you're obviously too stupid to use it.
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hahahahaha good one. Not to stupid to use it. the ui is very simple and easy to use. Flash clockwork or flash alternate. What im to stupid to do is figure out how to fix it after it kills recovery. but thank you for your input, I'm sure it will help someone out.
protomanez said:
Never happened to me, you're obviously too stupid to use it.
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Please lead us retartds through your install procedure, current rom, set-up so we can be as learndededed as you. I have had cm5&6 with ra installed upon initial set up. No swap/ noext1234, stock mt3g spl 2.22.23.02 radio. Nothing special. I even did it with the donut mytouch rom w/root.I only use basic apps, nothing that would interfere with recovery. to me it seems that when u flash a cpl different roms a day is when it hangs up. I can usually get the phone to boot back up, which gives me a chance to get back into rom manager and flash ra recovery back to the phone. the last cpl times I had to wipe cache before it would actually flash RA recovery. so basically if u can get the phone to boot past the splash screen go to rom manager and flash the **** out of ra recovery until it works. First we found out that clockwork didnt like flashing zip's and backups on low batteries 30% and lower. then the always fun recoverly log issue(cant recall the exact error right now) and of course the cant get to recovery issue. I know it's not a widesporead problem but it is a problem that renders phones useless until u can find someone nice enough to help u and not treat u like a retard. Not everyone knows as much about phones as you guys do....congratulations you know all there is about phones. go learn some ****ing human decency, if u have nothing helpful to say then shut up.
have been using it without Rom manager and highly disagree with the poster.doing it 'wrong' or without knowing 'how to' can certainly cause problems but that should not be described as the problem of the product. lot of people can not use nuclear power correctly (look at the USA) and now we call describe nuclear power as menace which is lame :/
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arefin said:
have been using it without Rom manager and highly disagree with the poster.doing it 'wrong' or without knowing 'how to' can certainly cause problems but that should not be described as the problem of the product. lot of people can not use nuclear power correctly (look at the USA) and now we call describe nuclear power as menace which is lame :/
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hmmmmm. Maybe since its flashing clockwork from inside rom manager is what might be killing it for some of us. tonight I will try just flashing clockwork outside of rom manager and see how that goes. i like clockwork's set up and it is easy to use, just kinda freaks me out when my recovery goes bad.
arefin said:
have been using it without Rom manager and highly disagree with the poster.doing it 'wrong' or without knowing 'how to' can certainly cause problems but that should not be described as the problem of the product. lot of people can not use nuclear power correctly (look at the USA) and now we call describe nuclear power as menace which is lame :/
Sent from my T-Mobile G1 using XDA App
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but at the same time thats why it is a part of rom manager. one click recovery flasher. to make it "easy". i highly doubt you can go into rom manager and incorrectly flash clockwork recovery. its a one click thing
it's also spoken out at many threads at xda that flashing the recovery from within the OS causes issues, so trying to install the recovery from PC or even RA1.7 should be a better option.
I'm considering that you already know the commands for that. better luck! remember, clock work will allow you to flash anything without signing - meaning? you can edit any update.zip to your liking and then forget about all the trouble of signing it before flashing. a simple toggle should do the trick while you are in recovery mode happy flashing.
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It is either a case of your phone, sd card setup/left over files etc..
I use rom manager on every phone I root with no problems since its release. 6 G1's, 3 Fender LE's, 7 Mytouch 1.2 and 4 Evos. Sometimes, it takes couple seconds to show up or go into recovery, but that doesnt mean its gone. Recovery cant just dissapear without something either trying to over write it or it being erased.
crypysmoker said:
It is either a case of your phone, sd card setup/left over files etc..
I use rom manager on every phone I root with no problems since its release. 6 G1's, 3 Fender LE's, 7 Mytouch 1.2 and 4 Evos. Sometimes, it takes couple seconds to show up or go into recovery, but that doesnt mean its gone. Recovery cant just dissapear without something either trying to over write it or it being erased.
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Im gonna give it one more try. I dont think I have ever.....
flashed clockwork from rom manager
reboot into recovery from rom manager right then (read some where that on some roms when u reboot to recovery using the regular way it might mess up....not sure about this one).
wipe everything (clockwork wipes more that amon ra)
reflash any rom
in my case... above steps then in this order
flash fireats custom mtd part 1.1
super E
Gapps
overclock update
fireats custom mtd part 1.2
anyone see a issue with what I have done so far??
Ok I will post back when clockwork fails again.....and if not f-in sweet
chrisgto4 said:
It does not like our phones. Has great options but.......it sucks. Everytime I flash it on my phone my recovery goes bad in a cpl days. Never had this problem with RA. Do a search rom manager pops up all over the place with bad recoveries. Stop using it ppl. Im sure ill get flamed for this but oh well. Kinda tired of reading of noobs that fall victim to a .apk that seems very easy to use until it craps out and then your stuck at the airport with a bad recovery and ADB no where in sight. Or even if u had ADB you still have no clue how to fix it!!!!!!!!!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=742007
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=762325
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7443928&highlight=revovery#post7443928
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chrisgto4 said:
hahahahaha good one. Not to stupid to use it. the ui is very simple and easy to use. Flash clockwork or flash alternate. What im to stupid to do is figure out how to fix it after it kills recovery. but thank you for your input, I'm sure it will help someone out.
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You found your answer within the first example link that you provided, look at post #3:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=742007
rom manager is not for idiots like yourself. rom manager is a great tool for many different phones. sometimes it doesnt flash a recovery correctly maybe it be poor service to download the recovery, or low memory when flashing it. an advanced user (who its made for) can still flash recovery via fastboot, and have all the helpfulness and easy ui of rom manager and easy access to cm nightlies.
dont knock a dev who works on many different phones, and dont rely on noob application reports and bad reviews. anyone who finds rom manager crap is just a poor android user.
tehseano said:
sometimes it doesnt flash a recovery correctly maybe it be poor service to download the recovery, or low memory when flashing it.
dont rely on noob application reports and bad reviews. anyone who finds rom manager crap is just a poor android user.
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i didn't want to get into this pointless discussion, but you have made a ****ty argument for rom mgr, you have confirmed that it doesn't work properly in certain circumstances, which is a good enough reason to not bother with it.
also, why shouldn't we rely on bad reviews? that's the point of a review, to give some idea about what experience to expect.
(i have never used it myself, amon ra recovery is enough for me.)
I agree it is an 'easy' shortcut that is not the best decision.. Like for example I think it killed my phone. I repaired permissions via rom manager, rebooted as it told me to and now my g1 wont boot past the g1 logo. I could install from a backup but the backup is 1+ month old (my error oops!). I am hoping to find a solution... Really dont wanna wipe everything..
warsng said:
i didn't want to get into this pointless discussion, but you have made a ****ty argument for rom mgr, you have confirmed that it doesn't work properly in certain circumstances, which is a good enough reason to not bother with it.
also, why shouldn't we rely on bad reviews? that's the point of a review, to give some idea about what experience to expect.
(i have never used it myself, amon ra recovery is enough for me.)
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I made a perfectly good argument. Yes it can "mess up", but thats not at the fault of the app. It's at the fault of the phone. There are things that can go wrong that Koush cannot control. It is for ADVANCED users as a quick helpful UI for recovery-based operations. People that don't know what they're doing, or only half-way do shouldn't be using it. However, too many Android users *think* they are advanced enough, yet 5 minutes after using it, post a "PLEASE HELP, PHONE IS BROKEN", because they DON'T know what they're doing.
I'm not saying that all bad reviews are missguied, but I can assure that 90% of them are from noobs that have no idea what they're doing. They rooted their phone because someone told them it was cool, and they have absolutetly no idea whats in their hands and what they can do with it. Let alone, how to properly work it and fix problems. It's easy as pie to point out noobs from those crowds of users, those 3 links in the OP's post are all perfectly examples. People who came to XDA, signed up, never posted anything, then messed up and came crying to the board asking for help (usually in Android Development because people like them, and the OP too, don't how to to post in the correct section).
So for the last time, if you don't know what you're doing on your phone, don't do it. Just because you have root, and an app says "for root users", doesn't mean its for you, which EVERYONE assumes it is. It's piss-poor users like that, that ruin app reviews and the name of Android everywhere.
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I made a perfectly good argument. Yes it can "mess up", but thats not at the fault of the app. It's at the fault of the phone. There are things that can go wrong that Koush cannot control. It is for ADVANCED users as a quick helpful UI for recovery-based operations. People that don't know what they're doing, or only half-way do shouldn't be using it. However, too many Android users *think* they are advanced enough, yet 5 minutes after using it, post a "PLEASE HELP, PHONE IS BROKEN", because they DON'T know what they're doing.
I'm not saying that all bad reviews are missguied, but I can assure that 90% of them are from noobs that have no idea what they're doing. They rooted their phone because someone told them it was cool, and they have absolutetly no idea whats in their hands and what they can do with it. Let alone, how to properly work it and fix problems. It's easy as pie to point out noobs from those crowds of users, those 3 links in the OP's post are all perfectly examples. People who came to XDA, signed up, never posted anything, then messed up and came crying to the board asking for help (usually in Android Development because people like them, and the OP too, don't how to to post in the correct section).
So for the last time, if you don't know what you're doing on your phone, don't do it. Just because you have root, and an app says "for root users", doesn't mean its for you, which EVERYONE assumes it is. It's piss-poor users like that, that ruin app reviews and the name of Android everywhere.
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Get a clue , its a program any gimp, including you, can install from the market, it is made in such way ...the fact that it dosent fail to write the recovery in fastboot mode means nothing!
This program shouldnt let the G1 user flesh any rec image. Till that happens it is the DEV's fault. Shouldnt be in the G1 CM's either.
so after flashing clockworkmod and getting my phone out of fastboot my power button didnt seem to work at least for the most pushes so i factory restored from my phone not clockwork then it booted to clockwork after that it just keeps booting into clockwork anyone know how to fix this i dont feel like going to my home verizon store and letting them know i tried to flash several things and bricked it...if anyone can help it will be greatly appreciated
Try wiping data, cache,and dalvik-cache and flash the rooted factory stock rom from thecubeds post
i will do that and let u on an update in a few mins
when u say flash do u mean the directions on thecubed thread?
Yep. Good luck
dam didnt work im an idiot FOR doing this haHa
Aww that sux what exactly is it doing? Not booting up?
yeah after i did the factory reset in the settings on android it booted to clockwork then i restarted my phone and it booted to clockwork and after that clockwork lol now im guessing i need to really flash it cause i think thecubed rom was just to remove the bing and stuff but its actually not flashing totally
i think its my boot image that disapeared lol
when i back up my phone all the system is there but i think the boot image is gone so it cant boot up but i dont know not a pro hacker or anything i just like technology and how it works and u know what they say u will never learn how to fix it if u dont break it haHa
Lol I guess that is true, and I think the nandroid near the bottom of the development page contains a boot.img if your willing to try that out,hope it all works out for you.
thanks
drock thanks for ur help im booting the nandroid right now im an idiot and went wit the de-binged rom and it didnt have a boot.img but the nandroid had it LAWL im an idiot prob wouldve been fixed earlier thanks for replying at this time of night i was thinking nobody gonna answer me or anything
Lol no problem, happy to help.
damn thought it would work but it didnt still booting to clockwork if anyone can help or just a suggestion ill try dont feel like claiming insurance for a new one
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