Not sure if you all are familiar with this app, I haven't seen anyone speak upon it on XDA yet, so just thought I'd share my experience with it.
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-lim-android-automemman-wBjq.aspx
IMO, this app is pretty cool. Very simple and easy to use, although it doesn't come with detailed instructions on how to use, so I felt the need to explain a little bit about it:
Tired of lags to and from Dialer/Contacts/Call Log?
Have you ever pressed the call button to dial a number/contact and nothing happens for 10 to 15 seconds then finally the call goes through and starts to ring?
Ever went back to home screen after fooling around with an app, or web surfing the browser only to find that a widget or two is missing or is not loading/refreshing properly?
Gmail not syncing daily as it usually does?
Market taking forever to load up the downloads page or lagging connection with G-talk to promptly start the download/updates you started?
Well these are the memory/background/content provider situations that need to stay snappy if nothing else does, agree?
Then this app may or may not be the answer to all of your problems.
For me it was. First and foremost, it is a FREE app, yay! (at least to my current knowledge, unless developer has changed it)
*FYI* This app does require root permissions, so if you are not rooted this will be of no use to you.
After installing, when first opening the app, super permissions should pop up, just check the always box and press allow for root access. Close the app, then re-open.
Now, there are 4 options you may choose, DEFAULT< CUSTOM< MILD< AGGRESSIVE
Default settings will be what you see on first use, those are the default Android memory settings for your G1
Custom- self explanatory, you move the bars of each memory category according to how you prefer- *Note* the amount shown is not exact memory, it is a threshold, basically a set amount not to exceed, Your phone will automatically choose how much to use according to how much it needs, but its limitations will be set by the threshold you choose. Go ahead and make your adjustments, then click the custom button, this will save these settings. So the next time you want to re-enter those settings, just hit the custom button, and it will restore.
Mild- Simply a preset application setting
Aggressive- Another preset app setting
You choose what works best for you, I would suggest playing around with different settings until you have achieved a memory usage that gives you the most improvement, *Note* Do note mistake this as a speed app, it only controls memory, so don't expect some super fast change, but if you set it up properly, and memory is being managed to the best case scenario of your usage, speed will increase, believe me.
Start with the presets, see how they work throughout the day, if you notice no difference, or worst than it already was, change it to something else.
Personally, my best experience has been with the Aggressive preset. Its been the most effective for my phone, however; this won't be the case for everyone. Aggressive basically raises the threshold for background data(widgets,home, cache, etc.) And content provider (google apps, settings, G-talk and stuff) And Empty application- this means, IMO, the amount of free memory sitting around available, for soon to come data or apps that you might open later, I.E.- multi-tasking, Call screen, new mms or sms
It also lowers the threshold of the foreground and running apps, so that they don't suck up so much memory the phone lags before it can open other things in memory. Get it? But as I stated, different people will have different preferences.
If you haven't already, try it out! If you don't like it, or don't need it...maybe results won't change things enough for you to have any use for it, you can always uninstall, and it won't harm any memory or data on your phone.
Also, regardless of threshold settings, if you open or use more memory than threshold limits, it will not break or crash you phone causing reboots or anything like that. So don't worry. The app does not prevent you from doing anything on your phone, it simply manages it according to your use.
I hope this comes in handy for someone, as it has been more than useful for me on a daily basis. You can find more information via market or the link above.
Don't take offence to this, but any "speedup" you think you are getting from it is entirely a function of the placebo effect.
There is no advantage to forcing memory to remain "free", and in fact, doing something like this will actually make the phone SLOWER than it would otherwise be.
Android has a VERY well thought out memory management system. It keeps a record of processes running and their priorities. In the event that more memory is required for a higher priority application, it will automatically select some other application to kill off in order to get that.
What this does is it ensures that you ALWAYS have the memory FULLY utilized, which means optimal performance under every circumstance.
An unfortunate trap that you are falling into is the traditional view of memory -- for example on a DESKTOP system, you don't have anything killing off unused processes, which means that every program you open will use up more memory, so the more FREE memory you have, the more new programs you can open before it starts swapping, and therefore you aim to always have a big chunk of free memory because more free memory means more applications can be open.
Android doesn't work like this!!!
What you are doing is forcing a memory utilization threshold on the thing. This has the same effect as simply reducing the total memory available on the device. That means that important applications are *MORE LIKELY TO GET KILLED OFF*.... which has exactly the OPPOSITE effect from what you seem to be after, which is to ensure that these important applications are NOT killed off.
I could be wrong, but I believe the intent of this is to allow the Android internal memory manager to be tweaked so that certain applications/processes have a higher priority and remain in memory and those that you deem as "less important" are removed first.
Here is a thread on the Hero forum about it:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=622666
Also, here is another App that does the same thing... only it will allow the settings to persist through a reboot...
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-rs-autokiller-wEwp.aspx
With this App, I do not notice an increase in free (meaning useless) memory... I do notice that key processes that I deem important are still running on CM 4.2.14.1... Even after running many of the ~160 apps I have, including games...
Individual results may vary... Nobody runs the same exact configuration and apps on their G1...
L8r
@Ibcoder
That means that important applications are *MORE LIKELY TO GET KILLED OFF*.... which has exactly the OPPOSITE effect from what you seem to be after, which is to ensure that these important applications are NOT killed off.
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But it doesn't do that, the threshold simply states a measurable amount of reserve...but not a limitation. Theres a difference. Limits and thresholds are not the same, So what you are saying is not how the app works. All apps open in memory remain in memory, of course you still have to use kill switches and task managers to control unwanted memory hogs, but the app basically controls the memory in use, thats all Im saying, so if that memory is being divided properly, responsive times will increase, I know android had its own setting of doing this, hence the word *DEFAULT*...that is what the app is for, if you don't want to let Android control your memory usage, the app gives you the option to customize it
Also, here is another App that does the same thing... only it will allow the settings to persist through a reboot...
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-rs-autokiller-wEwp.aspx
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Cool app! Thanks for the link, never seen this one.
But wouldn't auto kill be the same as all the other task managers and explorer apps? Its made to kill off unwanted apps, processes, and background services to free memory right? Well, I have plenty of those, and they all work quite fine.
The app I am discussing above is not a killer, its only a manager, it just gives the proper amount of memory to the category you specify to be more important memory users, thus for saving wasted memory. It doesn't specifically kill off or make memory, just manages it.
thanx though, I will try that out.
I recently saw this new app in the Market, but was unsure what advantage it will have on performance, if any. I'll pay attention to this thread to see where the discussion leads on it's usefulness (or potential lack thereof).
TeeJay3800 said:
I recently saw this new app in the Market, but was unsure what advantage it will have on performance, if any. I'll pay attention to this thread to see where the discussion leads on it's usefulness (or potential lack thereof).
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Ok, and I don't blame ya, that's how I test everything on xda, roms,apps, hacks, you name it....but only after I review enough good responses (preferably 3)
But on the contrary, there have been times that something was reviewed poorly, but after my own experience turned out to be great! You'll see that a lot in the android market as well, great apps with two star/3 star ratings all because some asshole didn't know how to use it, LoL
Try it dude, you got nothing to lose...won't break ya phone, but if ya want to play safe nandroid your current stuff first.
Klyentel said:
Cool app! Thanks for the link, never seen this one.
But wouldn't auto kill be the same as all the other task managers and explorer apps? Its made to kill off unwanted apps, processes, and background services to free memory right? Well, I have plenty of those, and they all work quite fine.
The app I am discussing above is not a killer, its only a manager, it just gives the proper amount of memory to the category you specify to be more important memory users, thus for saving wasted memory. It doesn't specifically kill off or make memory, just manages it.
thanx though, I will try that out.
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As far as I know, they are pretty much the same... The XDA thread I mentioned above has both the Dev of the App you posted and the Dev of the App I posted... They both created one at around the same time... One with sliders and one with fields... The only difference I think is that AutoKiller uses a service to write the settings on a reboot...
Still playing with this to see if it makes any real difference... I know if I set the values too aggressive, then the browser reloads every time I come back to it...
I know if I set the values too aggressive, then the browser reloads every time I come back to it
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yeah that has happened to me too.
The linux kernel keeps a buffer cache of recently used files in RAM. So whenever an application wants to access something on the flash, instead of going to the flash file system, it can just get it from the file buffer cache in RAM, a significant speed increase.
If the RAM is currently being taken up by unused android apps, then that leaves less room for the buffer cache, so in theory, by killing off unused android apps more quickly, that will allow the linux kernel to allocate more space for the buffer cache and thus speeding up the system.
Am I way off here?
Dave
lbcoder said:
Don't take offence to this, but any "speedup" you think you are getting from it is entirely a function of the placebo effect.
There is no advantage to forcing memory to remain "free", and in fact, doing something like this will actually make the phone SLOWER than it would otherwise be.
Android has a VERY well thought out memory management system. It keeps a record of processes running and their priorities. In the event that more memory is required for a higher priority application, it will automatically select some other application to kill off in order to get that.
What this does is it ensures that you ALWAYS have the memory FULLY utilized, which means optimal performance under every circumstance.
An unfortunate trap that you are falling into is the traditional view of memory -- for example on a DESKTOP system, you don't have anything killing off unused processes, which means that every program you open will use up more memory, so the more FREE memory you have, the more new programs you can open before it starts swapping, and therefore you aim to always have a big chunk of free memory because more free memory means more applications can be open.
Android doesn't work like this!!!
What you are doing is forcing a memory utilization threshold on the thing. This has the same effect as simply reducing the total memory available on the device. That means that important applications are *MORE LIKELY TO GET KILLED OFF*.... which has exactly the OPPOSITE effect from what you seem to be after, which is to ensure that these important applications are NOT killed off.
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@dwang-agreed, as I stated @lbcoder, what he is saying is that the app holds everything in memory which slows down system, but it does not do that, and he implied that I stated it limited use of apps, which is incorrect, it does not operate as a limiter, or a kill switch, only a manager. Sort of like, organizing processes by priority based upon setting of threshold tolerance. Of course killing off unwanted apps and processes have to be done manually, via kill widgets or file explorers, When I first posted about this app I assumed that concept to be in mind of the reader....sadly I was wrong. I guess everything around here has to be put in perspective as if the reader knows nothing...sort of like an "101 handbook for Dummies" type thing.
What you are suggesting is incorrect, contrary to the product description, and quite frankly, impossible.
And you can't read.
There is no "I" in lbcoder.
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@Ibcoder
But it doesn't do that, the threshold simply states a measurable amount of reserve...but not a limitation. Theres a difference. Limits and thresholds are not the same, So what you are saying is not how the app works. All apps open in memory remain in memory, of course you still have to use kill switches and task managers to control unwanted memory hogs, but the app basically controls the memory in use, thats all Im saying, so if that memory is being divided properly, responsive times will increase, I know android had its own setting of doing this, hence the word *DEFAULT*...that is what the app is for, if you don't want to let Android control your memory usage, the app gives you the option to customize it
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What you are suggesting is incorrect, contrary to the product description, and quite frankly, impossible.
And you can't read.
There is no "I" in lbcoder.
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First and foremost buddy, I quite frankly don't give a dam how you spell your name with an "I" or an "L"
Secondly, what I am stating is not incorrect, and is possible, because I have the app, use it everyday, and does exactly what I said it does via OP. Thank you very much. If you disagree, then don't download the app. Simple as that.
or heres a better idea create one of your own. I will be more than happy to try it if you feel you can do better, but don't downsize the quality of this one, straying other users away from trying it, as it may be as useful to them as it is me. Got it?
Now get ya DREAM on...(with android that is )
and leave me alone.
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I have always been in the habit of streamlining everything (I.e. disabling all useless services in windows, etc.). Is there any information on which of the preinstalled apps I can remove? I'd feel safe getting rid of things like Google Talk and Amazon MP3 but am unsure what things such as "checkin service" do.
I removed about 6 apps from /system/app and noticed I could no longer download from the market. might do a little trial and error when I have more time.
Anyone have a source for this info?
From what I am able to gather, it appears Google Talk is needed for Market to work. No idea why, but it's needed.
See, google talk is always running in the background and I can't stand that. Would reducing the amount of apps in the "processes" tab in task manager improve battery life or increase internal memory? Just wish I had the time and resources to figure some of this out.
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See, google talk is always running in the background and I can't stand that. Would reducing the amount of apps in the "processes" tab in task manager improve battery life or increase internal memory? Just wish I had the time and resources to figure some of this out.
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Yes & yes, sorta.
Obviously closing out background apps can improve performance, but noy by much. Android will automatically start killing background apps when it senses that it's low on memory. Biggest thing is when that "low" memory is. Your threshold is probably different than Androids.
So yes it does help, but not by much.
Oh, also, lots of apps are called up by system processes, so no matter how many times you kill them, they come back.
You don’t need to change your ROM to get the best from your 2x, just a rooted stock ROM and a couple of apps that will change things dramatically. One thing I’ve noticed on the 2x is its memory management is too lenient and gets consumed quickly by background tasks etc. In no time I was down to 40-30Mb free memory and then my phone would run like a dog resulting in a reboot as the only solution.
Installing task and app killers are not the way, as they’ll only give you a short respite before the apps and background tasks you killed relaunch.
However, there is a solution.
1)Root your phone using SuperOneClick (piece of cake, instruction already on this forum)
2)Install “AutoKiller Memory Optimizer” by AndRS Studio free from the market
Optional
3) Install “Watchdog Task Manager” by Zolmut LLC (There’s a free or Paid version) I paid!
4) Install “Root App Remover” by Best of Best Android app
AutoKiller is not a task killer/manager it reconfigures Androids inbuilt memory manager to kill or suppress memory usage by applications and tasks. I now always have about 140-170MB free RAM at all times regardless of what I’m doing (but I do close my apps with the back button rather than click home)
AutoKiller Memory Optimizer Settings
I’ve used the ‘Extreme’ settings to ensure I have around 150MB free, and this makes a huge difference in everything I do with the phone.
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Watchdog
Yeah, I know this is a task killer but Watchdog is different from other task mangers as it monitors CPU usage rather than free RAM, 3D Gallery for example is a CPU hog on my 2X, so I configured it to be killed if it consumes more than 30% CPU whilst running in the background, you’d be surprised what saps your battery!
Root App Remover
Uninstall the tosh supplied on the ROM, I removed the following, AndroidBackup (I use Titanium Backup), CarHome, F-Secure_Mobile_Security, SNS (If you’re not using the built in Facebook and Twitter app).
I also use LauncherPro with Beautiful Widgets to give my phone an almost HTC Sense look and feel and uninstalled LG Home using Root App Remover afterwards.
Hope it makes a difference for you, it did for me, vote if you like
What do you think having 140-170MB RAM free at all times actually does?
Guess what? Nothing.
I disagree, my phone runs way better now, maybe due to the fact that in part it’s killing more background tasks and enforcing better garbage collection. I want a phone that when I go to it, it responds immediately, I don’t want my phone to chug along whilst a new app is launched and android then decides to kill lower priority background tasks resulting in a choppy experience. These are my findings, and I wanted to share them. As a result using this particular application I now have a phone I can enjoy, rather than being frustrated by pausing, choppiness etc.
I would welcome your reasoning to why my post is useless, or explain why my phone is now running so well? Are you saying I’m suffering a placebo effect? Remember, this app is not a task killer, it reconfigures Androids internal memory management, see here:
http://andrs.w3pla.net/autokiller/details
and
http://androidforums.com/eris-all-things-root/158846-autokiller-vs-setcpu.html#post1452069
Finally, I’m very happy with the results.
Spadb (HTC G1, HTC HD2[CM7], LG Optimus x2
We want to see some bench marks.
Thanks for sharing! My phone does become much more responsive
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I tried the app too and i can say that it works, I also did some of the advanced tweaks.
phone seems more responsive now.
Yes, me too. It's more responsive now. Also when I open app manager, the app list is a lot faster.I know it's more related to file read/write but still it's nice to finally able to browse with less waiting time.
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thx
good one and simple, thx
cann someone please post some benchmarks?
Here are some screenshots, tested with AnTuTu Benchmark
The first one is v10c stock, some apps like f-secure, carapp etc frozen, second one is with using autokiller memory with preset extreme, third one is to compare, this was while using cm7.1 rc
now we'll see if autokiller works stable ^^
edit: realized that with cm7 something seemed to be wrong with the sd-card, so don't forget to compare the single-scores
spadb said:
I disagree, my phone runs way better now, maybe due to the fact that in part it’s killing more background tasks and enforcing better garbage collection. I want a phone that when I go to it, it responds immediately, I don’t want my phone to chug along whilst a new app is launched and android then decides to kill lower priority background tasks resulting in a choppy experience. These are my findings, and I wanted to share them. As a result using this particular application I now have a phone I can enjoy, rather than being frustrated by pausing, choppiness etc.
I would welcome your reasoning to why my post is useless, or explain why my phone is now running so well? Are you saying I’m suffering a placebo effect? Remember, this app is not a task killer, it reconfigures Androids internal memory management, see here:
http://andrs.w3pla.net/autokiller/details
and
http://androidforums.com/eris-all-things-root/158846-autokiller-vs-setcpu.html#post1452069
Finally, I’m very happy with the results.
Spadb (HTC G1, HTC HD2[CM7], LG Optimus x2
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I'm sure Rusty knows what he is talking about. Thing is, this talk about "the more free ram the better" has been repeated so many times, and at the end of the day, it seems to be more about user preference.
The default LG ROM seems to allow tasks to run in the background until it reaches around 50MB free RAM, then it starts to close tasks one by one. For multi-taskers like me, this is fine, I love how I can switch between facebook, tweetdeck, miren browser, google+, gmail, and messaging without seeing the apps reload.
For some, they'd want to open a task, close it, and move on to another without looking back. I guess that is where the 100MB of RAM is good for.
If you guys will be looking at benchmarks, I can guarantee that you will have higher scores with RAM optimizers. As benchmarks do not test multitasking, they simply check the performance of your phone at that point in time. (Which is also why some modders pump up their CPU freq to insane values before doing their bench then posting it.)
I have nothing against AKMO, and I find it very effective for Froyo builds. But I would recommend that each user try it out themselves. It's not a "1 fix for all" thing.
spadb said:
I disagree, my phone runs way better now, maybe due to the fact that in part it’s killing more background tasks and enforcing better garbage collection. I want a phone that when I go to it, it responds immediately, I don’t want my phone to chug along whilst a new app is launched and android then decides to kill lower priority background tasks resulting in a choppy experience. These are my findings, and I wanted to share them. As a result using this particular application I now have a phone I can enjoy, rather than being frustrated by pausing, choppiness etc.
I would welcome your reasoning to why my post is useless, or explain why my phone is now running so well? Are you saying I’m suffering a placebo effect? Remember, this app is not a task killer, it reconfigures Androids internal memory management, see here:
http://andrs.w3pla.net/autokiller/details
and
http://androidforums.com/eris-all-things-root/158846-autokiller-vs-setcpu.html#post1452069
Finally, I’m very happy with the results.
Spadb (HTC G1, HTC HD2[CM7], LG Optimus x2
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I'll just say this once: Free RAM is wasted RAM. If you feel´your phone is slow try adding some swap space
kiljacken said:
I'll just say this once: Free RAM is wasted RAM. If you feel´your phone is slow try adding some swap space
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Does O2X already support swap space in EXT? (Or are your referring to VM heap?)
Doesn't play well with Fr19 at all (2 reboots in 2 minutes). Maybe I touched some settings that I shouldn't though.
akyp said:
Doesn't play well with Fr19 at all (2 reboots in 2 minutes). Maybe I touched some settings that I shouldn't though.
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Yeah, FR19 is one of the more stable ROMs out there. Try full wipe then reflash maybe.
I've downloaded to my LG Optimus Black 30 apps til' now, I'm on Zeus V2.1
When I had the stock rom I had 100 apps!!
Does installing many apps necessarily slow down the phone? or It doesn't have to affect on the phone memory and speed?
On the one hand, I know that the phone is a lot faster when It has only few apps, and on the other hand, I have an Android Phone, Why not to have funny apps like lighter and games. What's your opinion?
Short answer: Mostly less is more...
Means: A lot of apps stay in memory and slow down ur phone, as u alread answered to urself, some even keep running in background and can keep the cpu from going to deep sleep mode, if they are not programmed well.
So yes, many apps slow down ur phone
Well, to describe it correctly, i would like you to explain that it's not the "numbers" of applications that matters.... I mean, we have a whole one GB of internal space, so we can easily afford 100+ applications.
So, it's actually the "type" of applications that give you a considerable effect on your device's performance.
# Example : i have installed TorrentFreak reader application. When i open it to read TF articles, it opens... when i exit it, it exits... shuts down completely. Now, i have installed UNO game from glu, which even if i don't open, it brings me advertisement notification.
So, the moral of story is, if i have installed hundreds of applications like TFreader, they won't cost me any RAM or any battery usage if i don't use it. But if i install just 10-15 apps like UNOgame of glu, they will use my data connection, RAM etc. in background even if i hardly use them.
So, always choose the application wisely, that's the point. Check their permissions, see if they add any "services" that may keep consuming your cpu cycles..... and you are good to go.
Am running PA 3.60 which is great. I've now run some additional script that culls out and slims down the ROM and gapps. Again, everything runs great. I probably have a lot more memory free now than before. But I'm not sure what good that is.
Traditionally, we want to free up memory so we can install more apps - a2d and other methods help to keep things clear.
I don't want to do that - I want to be able to run more than one or two apps at the same time. But I don't know which memory types to clear up to do that.
The ROM is in, well, ROM, so making it smaller may not help free up memory if there's fixed 512MB used for it.
I know Android is actually running a lot of processes at once. What I mean is that if I load an app, say Candy Crush, then run another app, say Grindr, I can switch back and forth pretty much ok and each app resumes where it left off without any noticable reloading/refreshing. But if I then run another app, say Scruff, then as soon as I try to switch back to one of the others, it has to reload/refresh/restart. So clearly, there wasn't enough memory available to keep all 3 resident and it swapped some out or simply released it.
Logically, if I have more of a certain type of memory free, this will not happen as often. I know it depends on how much memory and other resources an app requires, but I don't need to get into that level of analysis yet. First and foremost, what sort of memory should I try to make as much of as possible to let me swtich between apps without so much reloading?
douginoz said:
Am running PA 3.60 which is great. I've now run some additional script that culls out and slims down the ROM and gapps. Again, everything runs great. I probably have a lot more memory free now than before. But I'm not sure what good that is.
Traditionally, we want to free up memory so we can install more apps - a2d and other methods help to keep things clear.
I don't want to do that - I want to be able to run more than one or two apps at the same time. But I don't know which memory types to clear up to do that.
The ROM is in, well, ROM, so making it smaller may not help free up memory if there's fixed 512MB used for it.
I know Android is actually running a lot of processes at once. What I mean is that if I load an app, say Candy Crush, then run another app, say Grindr, I can switch back and forth pretty much ok and each app resumes where it left off without any noticable reloading/refreshing. But if I then run another app, say Scruff, then as soon as I try to switch back to one of the others, it has to reload/refresh/restart. So clearly, there wasn't enough memory available to keep all 3 resident and it swapped some out or simply released it.
Logically, if I have more of a certain type of memory free, this will not happen as often. I know it depends on how much memory and other resources an app requires, but I don't need to get into that level of analysis yet. First and foremost, what sort of memory should I try to make as much of as possible to let me swtich between apps without so much reloading?
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Try enabling zram, I haven't tried it personally but its supposed to allow for more multitasking.
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You may of considered it dev based, but its a question so belongs in the Q&A section.
I've tried ZRAM now for a couple of days but makes no difference. I also have the problem on another Android device. I'm convinced its some sort of design limitation of the opsys or something. When I start up Grindr, it takes a long time to load all the images, make connections, etc. Then I start of Gruff, and it does the same. As long as I don't try to go to another app, I can flip between the two of them without them restarting/reloading/reinitialising themselves. That is clearly because their pages didn't get swapped out of memory or flagged for deletion and deleted.
But if I do something else, or even try to use additional functions within either app, its too much and the next time I try to flip to the other app, it has to reload and reestablish connections etc.
Its not just those apps either. The same with a game like Candy Crush. Or many many apps.
So either my devices don't have enough memory of some form to allow many concurrent apps to run without being swapped out, or Android can't handle it and unnecessarily swaps out or deletes a process's memory pages to make room for the next process, >>> even if the device has plenty of memory<<<.
I don't know which type of memory the opsys needs if this is the case. I'd like to know so that i can make sure there's ample available so that this constant restarting doesn't keep happening. It seems stupid to me that Android does this if the device has got "heaps" of available memory (no pun intended). Newer devices will continually have more and more built in memory, so if Android is doing this arbitrarily and not because of space issues then its, well, stupid.
I have to assume its my devices that are the problem. They're both old (Nook Color, Nexus One). But with the NC, I'd assume we can partition some of that 5GB for use as main memory to run lots of processes concurrently, without this annoying swapping/page deletion/forcing re-inits all the time.
I'm also having problems figuring out where in XDA to post this question - its not NC specific, or dev specific, but I need answers from people that know the Android architecture so I can work out if its possible to stop this from happening.
Hello everyone.
Even after hibernating all the apps, still 2GB of my ram is used. I want to look at all the processes that are using the ram. How can I do that?
Cheers!
Until someone comes up with a better answer...
Settings/Apps. Under each app there are stats for used storage and memory used in the past few hours. Might give you a clue.
xhamadeex said:
Hello everyone.
Even after hibernating all the apps, still 2GB of my ram is used. I want to look at all the processes that are using the ram. How can I do that?
Cheers!
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Because ANDROID KNOWS that UNUSED RAM is WASTED RAM.
It ***preloads*** all of the things, in order of what it believes is the likelihood of you using those particular things.
This way when you actually DO use one of those things, it is ***already loaded*** (and starts fast).
Stop "hibernating" things. You are breaking Android.
doitright said:
Because ANDROID KNOWS that UNUSED RAM is WASTED RAM.
It ***preloads*** all of the things, in order of what it believes is the likelihood of you using those particular things.
This way when you actually DO use one of those things, it is ***already loaded*** (and starts fast).
Stop "hibernating" things. You are breaking Android.
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Hmm.. You have a point..
So, is using Greenify a bad Idea?
xhamadeex said:
Hmm.. You have a point..
So, is using Greenify a bad Idea?
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Bad idea.
yea there's two built-in ways to view running processes. One is directly Settings. Scroll down to where it says Memory. Open and check it out. I know. Google might as well not even wasted their time making that activity since it's next to useless. The other one is located in Developer Options. It's labeled "Running Services" and gives you stats on what apps are running, how long, etc. Yea, not very helpful either since there isn't much you can do besides uninstall some things or do the root and ransack thing. It's intentionally made like that, just like the way android battery stats are completely useless for nailing down offensive background services. Google likes it that way. They make money by tracking your location and serving you up with as many ads as possible. While it's true what dude said about the way Android preloads and makes a lot of stuff ready in RAM, hibernating, and using task killers is basically like working against your system resources, don't listen to people who yell things at you because they've been brainwashed by companies and developers who want their services installed, front-and-center, autostarting, and running 24/7 in your device's memory. Why else you think every website has a banner talkin' bout "oooh ooh install our app" and grant as many permissions as possible while some even go as far as sabotaging their own services via their website so users feel forced to install the app. They don't care about you, your cpu, or your experience as long as it's filled with ads and periodically uploading analytics and usage stats and the best way to do that is to have background and persistent services to silently restart their location polling or pointless notification systems designed solely around getting you to interact with the app. I'm not talking about things like email, messaging, or whatever other app you depend on or feel is important enough to keep close at a tap of finger. My suggestion is to analyze those settings activities I named earlier or a 3rd party one like BBS and make some decisions about what you are willing to delete. Compromises can be made depending on what's important to you and also with root. Half (or more) of the apps in your phone that have boot receivers and other various event listeners up the wazoo have no business knowing your phone is even on until you tap it's little icon. This is opinion of course because others will tell you you're breaking android and a bunch of other nonsense they've been fed by google to address the people, like me, who are tired of seeing google and other apps (usually ones my by behemoth corporations) that run constantly in the background even though I open up and use whatever particular app maybe once a week. If you're rooted, there is a lot you can do to take control of apps that like to stay nudged up as close as possible in the queue and keep open connections. It all depends on you and how you use your device. Don't listen to know-it-alls who yell at you IN ALL CAPS. Either accept the fact that google, facebook, admob (and whoever else app you have that thinks it's the most important) own your phone, or do a little research for yourself because regardless of what homeboy said, it's easy to see that available RAM feels way smoother than ram that has to wait for android to move pokey balls out of the way...just sayin
ElwOOd_CbGp said:
yea there's two built-in ways to view running processes. One is directly Settings. Scroll down to where it says Memory. Open and check it out. I know. Google might as well not even wasted their time making that activity since it's next to useless. The other one is located in Developer Options. It's labeled "Running Services" and gives you stats on what apps are running, how long, etc. Yea, not very helpful either since there isn't much you can do besides uninstall some things or do the root and ransack thing. It's intentionally made like that, just like the way android battery stats are completely useless for nailing down offensive background services. Google likes it that way. They make money by tracking your location and serving you up with as many ads as possible. While it's true what dude said about the way Android preloads and makes a lot of stuff ready in RAM, hibernating, and using task killers is basically like working against your system resources, don't listen to people who yell things at you because they've been brainwashed by companies and developers who want their services installed, autostarting, and running 24/7 in your device. Why else you think every website has a banner talkin' bout "oooh ooh install our app" and grant as many permissions as possible while some even go as far as sabotaging their own services via their website so users feel forced to install the app. They don't care about you, your cpu, or your experience as long as it's filled with ads and periodically uploading analytics and usage stats and the best way to do that is to have background and persistent services to silently restart their location polling or pointless notification systems designed solely around getting you to interact with the app. I'm not talking about things like email, messaging, or whatever other app you depend on or feel is important enough to keep close at a tap of finger. My suggestion is to analyze those settings activities I named earlier or a 3rd party one like BBS and make some decisions about what you are willing to delete. Compromises can be made depending on what's important to you and also with root. Half (or more) of the apps in your phone that have boot receivers and other various event listeners up the wazoo have no business knowing your phone is even on until you tap it's little icon. This is opinion of course because others will tell you you're breaking android and a bunch of other nonsense they've been fed by google to address the people, like me, who are tired of seeing google and other apps (usually ones my by behemoth corporations) that run constantly in the background even though I open up and use whatever particular app maybe once a week. If you're rooted, there is a lot you can do to take control of apps that like to stay nudged up as close as possible in the queue and keep open connections. It all depends on you and how you use your device. Don't listen to know-it-alls who yell at you IN ALL CAPS. Either accept the fact that google, facebook, admob (and whoever else app you have that thinks it's the most important) own your phone, or do a little research for yourself because regardless of what homeboy said, it's easy to see that available RAM feels way smoother than ram that has to wait for android to move pokey balls out of the way...just sayin
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Holy wall of text Batman!
You've got a couple of points hidden inside that rambling, but dude... If you want anyone to read that, try that little thing called paragraphs.
Didgeridoohan said:
Holy wall of text Batman!
You've got a couple of points hidden inside that rambling, but dude... If you want anyone to read that, try that little thing called paragraphs.
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Ah...apologies. I may have been a little bit hopped up last night on the leftover holiday spirits but how else to explain what I see as google's all-over-the-place ridiculous approach at making it as god awful experience as possible for people interested in granular control over their devices' /system. I just got done flashing, setting up, and going thru the motions on a new phone so I may have been a little annoyed as well. lolz hope it helps someone.