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Hi all,
Just got myself an O2 XDA(ii). I have heard people banging on about WM5 and how I should upgrade the OS.
However, one question - why do it?
What will I gain by doing the upgrade?
Will it consume more system resources and therefore have an overhead performance?
What woes will be introduced by upgrading - will it break anything?
Is WM5 really as stable as WM3?
I hope I can get answers to these questions!!
Many thanks!
why use windows when dos works fine?
Windows is a GUI, dos is a CLI.
Both human interfaces are radically different.
The questions I posed are reasonable.
Try this..
borrow a WM5 device from someone for a day and dont use ur WM2003 device.
If u like something in that device, install WM5 on your BA and test it, try it
I thought that this was a technical website for developers - I had hoped for some slightly more in depth answers, like contrasting for example:
consumption of system resources
bugs
reliability
speed
new system features
security
power management
etc...
WM5 VS WM3
Hi,
It is a true question,
- I have just used WM5 a week. So I hope my experience will be useful for you.
Fist, the WM5 store all data on it's ROM so you won't lost you data example: instaled program in device, contacts, SMS, MMS... if it run out of energy, hard reset... But, that causes the speed is slower than official WM2003 Version 1.42.
It still remain some bugs example: sometime freeze when you turn it on, BT and wifi sometime need a softreset to turn on.
The energy consumsion is the same (waiting phone mode). Others depend on backlight, % CPU usage.
Certainly WM5 have much more feature. I really don't known what I should advice you now because I still often reset 1-2 time/day like my laptop. But I don't like thing which is the same forever expecialy softwares.
I hope you can have your answer.
Daeljan said:
I thought that this was a technical website for developers - I had hoped for some slightly more in depth answers, like contrasting for example:
consumption of system resources
bugs
reliability
speed
new system features
security
power management
etc...
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Thank you very much for that answer!
To be honest, I got the XDA because I need something to keep me organised time-wise, so I'm more interested in stability than eye-candy. I don't want to fall behind the times either, but I may hold out untill WM 5 matures a little more. What you said about hanging when you switch on is off-putting enough - I had heard similar things about WM5 related to connectivity, but I've never had the chance to hear about it first-hand.
If anyone else would like to add something of similar content to this thread, I'd be very happy to read about it.
Cheers.
This is xda-developers so the question of why use WM5 on BA sort of answers itself by the simple fact that M$ has not given it to us in the first place (well this could also not be true as M$ did make a copy but none of the providers gave us a rom so that we all go out and by a new WM5 Device).
So why not? In the long run its more of a matter of taste, some have gone for and stayed with the WM5 on a BA, others have gone back and others have gone and brought a REAL WM5 device.
Its up to you, if you read the threads (of which there are many) you will find reasons to stay away and reasons to install it. Like I say its sort of personal.
Oh yes DOS was and is cool, still to this day I use it.
Dude
why don't you just flash to WM5 try it out
Dude
why don't you just flash to WM5 try it out, and if you don't like it go back 2k3, makes the most sense. You seem like a smart chap i'm sure you can figure it out, no harm to the device, and you'll get all your answers bra
My two cents if you like command line and stability learn linux, bash away!
Daeljan said:
I thought that this was a technical website for developers - I had hoped for some slightly more in depth answers, like contrasting for example:
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Hi Daeljan,
Welcome to the community! I'm sorry if some of the guys answered like that, but you have to understand that this question pops in from newbies every couple days "Why shall I do it?", "What's the difference", etc... So some of us just get tired of answering!
I am sure however, that you'll find many extremely interesting, highly technical threads.
So, to answer your question: WM2K+3 vs WM5
- I believe that part of doing it was actually to try to see it could be done, I mean the operators left us with an exceptional device (the BlueAngel) without upgrade, so many of us felt "betrayed" and wanted to get the latest, and greatest despite the lack of official support for a release.
- The LATEST version of WM5 (Helmi v3.2) is much more stable that the early versions, I'm currently running it and never think about downgrading back to WM2K3. Amongst the things I find interesting:
- The OS is almost as fast as WM2K3, in fact I run all most of the new versions of software flawlessly.
- WM5 has flat memory and no sharing between the "Storage" and "Execution" spaces (Which is something you will immediately notice on your old OS), so you get more running memory for your applications.
- Because of the above, WM5 has "resilient" storage, i.e. a reset will not erase your data, that alone is a great advantage.
- Some apps that do not run anymore on WM2K3 are now accessible for our community.
- Some applications are natively available on WM5 (Like Mobile PowerPoint) for example, and are not there on WM2K3.
- Better synchronization with your desktop device (You can, for example see your contact pictures directly synchronized, whereas with WM2K3, you can't).
On the other hand, we have a few issues (That are getting fixed with every new release), like:
- Slightly higher power consumption.
- A very, very ugly bluetooth protocol stack... People are doing an amazing job there, and the problem is almost over.
- Other minor issues that you'll discover while browsing the links.
Hope this helps,
Cheers,
W.
1) click search, type an abbrevieted version of your first post in it.
2) be swamped with a massive amount of posts ABOUT THE SAME THING.
3) repeat in future.
(sorry if im being a bit harsh but i myself have awnserwed this question many times before, just search in future!)
Thank you all for your answers, and sorry for making you repeat yourselves.
I suppose that this is an obvious topic for discussion that many people naturally want to know about.
So why not post a summary of it all somewhere where people can find it without having to mine the forums? I searched the FAQ for WM5, Upgrade, Windows Mobile 5, in various combinations and nothing came up.
The bluetooth problems are a little scary though if the XDA is to be used as a GPS, connected to the antenna via bluetooth.
Anyhow, thanks again.
Hic
You can try, it is easy to downgrade, not compelex as in the instruction.
1. Change to bootloader mode, connect USB run Ship file,
2. After the instaltion procces finished, softreset your BA.
3. The first start maybe get mistake, cause ExtraRom could be changed, softreset again, your BA will run in a pure state, unhide ExtraROM-softreset, copy all files in the ExtraROM of Ship file (extract from Ship file) to the ExtraROM, you can also change ExtraRom as you want.
4. Hardreset---everything is OK.
Wzaatar
Very nice post you did there old chap, thanks. You almost got me to try it all over again.
I use the ROM in my signature and I find it great apart from the odd problem but that could be from the 50+ apps I have on it.
Go for it...
Daeljan said:
Thank you very much for that answer!
To be honest, I got the XDA because I need something to keep me organised time-wise, so I'm more interested in stability than eye-candy. I don't want to fall behind the times either, but I may hold out untill WM 5 matures a little more. What you said about hanging when you switch on is off-putting enough - I had heard similar things about WM5 related to connectivity, but I've never had the chance to hear about it first-hand.
If anyone else would like to add something of similar content to this thread, I'd be very happy to read about it.
Cheers.
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OK, I'll try to give you a different slant on things....
WM5 utilises persistent storage (as stated above) which means that, should you find yourself in the unfortunate position that your BA has run out of juice you'll retain all your data (even the RAMDisk contents contrary to some other peoples posts). This is not the case in WM2003SE. If you let the battery run down in WM2003SE it's adios amigo! And start all over again.
WM2003SE while quite stable, is not perfect, especially once you have several apps installed and use it aggressively. WM5, while technically only in beta for this device (as they are mostly hacked/patched/ported ROM's) can prove to be a very stable platform. I have used nearly every version of WM5 on this forum to try and find the 'right' one... and I use my BA constantly, for business purposes and satnav guidance.
Comparing the 2 OS's is like comparing Windows XP and Vista... XP is a proven system, Vista is not, so direct comparison would be unfair to either... as for performance, with the tweaks now found in the newer WM5 ROM's I find my BA responds as well, if not better, than with WM2003SE, battery consumption is a little higher but that can be resloved with any of the CPU throttling apps available...
I wholeheartedly recommend the AKU 2.6 version of Helmi's ROM. I went away on business recently with WM2003SE installed and while away flashed this version of the ROM. My reason for being back with WM2003SE prior to this was the sluggishness of my BA after a while of running WM5. During my absence the Page Pool fix reared its head and all seemed to be good in the world. While AKU3.2 is the newest version of WM5 it has inherent compatability issues with much of the software available for WM5, even Microsoft's own such as Voice Command (an app I actually make use of!). The AKU2.6 ROM doesn't have these issues, and with the paging fix does not become sluggish at all.
9 weeks on and my system has only frozen once, and that was with a 'hacked' piece of software so I don't blame the system... I have not had to reflash once, and I honestly don't remember having to soft reset... I have yet to find a WM5 compatible app which doesn't work with it, and I use it day in, day out.
In short, I jumped on the WM5 bandwagon some time agao and was very disillsusioned at one point, so much so that I returned to WM2003SE... However I missed the smoother GUI, the much better handling of popups and alerts, the tighter integration with Outlook, the better operation of ActiveSync and so forth, so I came back to the fold, and I will not be downgrading again...
If you use Push Email anything after AKU2 (or is it 2.3?) is a Godsend, and believe me, the overall feel of the OS is much smoother, it feels like a 'pocket pc', rather than a really gucci phone!!
I use my BA to play media, read newsfeeds, browse the web, check/send email, and all the other stuff my mates do on their laptops, and if you have the right settings for your provider there should be no issues with connectivity... I have A2DP set up as well so I have a stereo BT headset for music/video etc... I run TomTom, Garmin Que, OziExplorer...
Oh! And I use it as a PDA/Organiser, my life is on that brick, and believe me, it gets hammered!!
I also have an XDA Exec now and to be honest I prefer the BA... although I do love my IQ (but Smartphone is a whole different kettle of fish)!!
I hope this gratuitous plug of WM5 helps sway your decision
I personally like WM5. The issue for me, and the reason I bought the SX66 in the first place, was screen size and muscle. Alot of the affordable WM5 devices out have small screens compared to what I am used to in a PDA. I cannot afford and Jasjar (wish I could) so I looked for something with a decent screen size and processing power.
The SX66 was the only choice for me, EXACTLY because I could flash it too WM5 Haven't looked back since. I run my games (Morphgear - SNES), work with my files without having to squint too much, play my music and get phone calls. Coolest thing in the world.
I have compared it side by side with the 8125 and the windows Treo, it kept up easy enough. Out did them in some area's, lost in one (no camera)... but in the end its just as functional as the new ones.
Flash it and see!
Daeljan said:
Thank you very much for that answer!
hi Daeljan,
Just reiterating what people has said before
To be honest, I got the XDA because I need something to keep me organised time-wise, so I'm more interested in stability than eye-candy.
-- if this is what you need, then you definitely need to upgrade to latest WM5 (Helmi, Xplode - both are great). The sole idea of "persistent storage" itself is a must to upgrade. I am using IIs (Helmi's rom) and I actually found my BA is more stable than when I used 2003SE. I had this hard reset issue when I pressed the green button to receive phone call. It annoyed the hell out of me. It happened to me about 3 times... Now this problem is gone. Just imagine yourself is out of town for a business trip and suddenly our "stable 2003SE" hard reset by itself and the back up file is at home in your pc... what a bum huh? it happened to me.
I don't want to fall behind the times either, but I may hold out untill WM 5 matures a little more. What you said about hanging when you switch on is off-putting enough - I had heard similar things about WM5 related to connectivity, but I've never had the chance to hear about it first-hand.
-- This is a subjective comment from me, I think the current version of WM5 out here are good enuf. I dont think it will "mature" too much cause people WILL be busy playing with WM6. As far as I know, more and more developers make new softwares for WM5/6 and less make them for 2003.
Yes, WM5 still has some issues now, but I have not found 1 piece of software that is perfect. even 2003SE had issues. However, these are acceptable issues (for me anyway).
Just a happy user of WM5 and I would never go back to 2003SE (unless I want to sell my beloved BA, then i might have to flash it back to factory rom ).
If you want to wait, dont wait for WM5... wait for a more stable WM6.
Like other happy users, I still have hopes the geniuses from xda-dev would find a way to make WM6 work on BA... whatever solution that is...
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WM5 allows me to install apps to my storage cards - very useful! There is also the "device lock" feature which has saved me $$$ in phone bills from calls I didnt make.
Hey,
just found this very interesting board and read through many of the articles here so that i may finally be able to pose my questions.
I'm currently using a old brick, a Nokia 6310. Since this thing is slowly falling apart I thought about moving to a new device. Normally I would take the cheapest thing availabe, because I don't really do lots of phone calls a month. But I miss my old Palm 1050 and instead of buying two seperate devices I thought of buying a smartphone.
The Kaiser seems to combine everything I want. Its quite uptodate, GPS UMTS and all this stuff included plus the hardware QWERTZ (and I think I want this thing, those touchpad-versions are just not fast enough). In addition it seems to be quite easy to modify this thing to fit your own special purpose (adding all these new ROMs, progs etc. pp.). The only problem is this damn video driver thing you read about everywhere.
So, my question is: How much of a problem is the driver situation? How bad is it, considering that I want to use the phone from web surfing over office use to multimedia and games (those Duke 3D videos are really cool, you know ), will it really bother me or is the phone still very useful (not as fast as it could be, but fast enough)?
If no, where are the alternatives? The Hermes seems to be faster, but it lacks GPS. Even if the Touch Pro is coming soon, it may cost far more than the current Kaiser. Same with the Xperia. Is there any other device which is as well equiped as the Kaiser and also good to customize?
Thanks for your help and maybe some recommendations
I think that the Kaiser should be able to suit your needs.
As a business phone it should very easily be able to handle almost anything you throw at it. And as a multimedia phone it lacks, to some in gaming performance, 2D/3D rendering and such, but as for viewing videos and surfing the web, these can be quite easily solved through tweaking and using the right apps. A combination of coremedia and a good ROM should have video working just fine.
i have had my tilt for almost 6 months now and have fully customized it to suit my needs. Everything works exactly the way I need it to. Take time to customize your kaiser and it will be able to handle just about everything you throw at it.
Maybe I can help you out a little. Being a user of both the Hermes and the Kaiser, the Kaiser wins but it's a close race. Both devices are similar in form and function with the Kaiser navigation and function buttons in a slightly better layout. The Kaiser and the Hermes have 400mhz processors but from different suppliers, The Kaiser is a little faster and beats the Hermes in opening and running applications, not by much but it is noticable. The Kaisers built in GPS works fine for me, but then so is the Bluetooth receiver I use with the Hermes.
On the other hand the Hermes was easier to customize initially, one step to Hard SPL and CID unlock the Hermes, plug in the USB, Activesync, and run the RUU, in 10 to 20 min it's done. With the Kaiser, well it's not as easy, as there are a few extra steps and 4 or 5 different Hard SPL's to to choose from. After the Kaiser is Hard SPL'd, upgrading ROMs is a simple task.
ROMs, the Kaiser was built to run the WM6/6.1 ROMs and the Hermes WM5/6. Almost all the WM6.1 ROMs for the Hermes are based on the Kaiser ROMs.
As for customizing, both will run pretty much any WM5-6 programs and/or applications.
For me tho, the Kaiser is the better device, with the built in GPS and slightly faster performance being the deciding factor.
Hope this helps you and good luck with whichever device you choose.
So you think there should be no problem with the right amount of tweaking?
Because in some videos on the tube I even saw it lagging when scrolling up and down a list or a website whereas other vids of Duke or Quake looked absolutely playable and in the range of 30-40fps.
Edit: Thanks to both of you for your opinions. I'm just a bit worried how much this driver thing will affect the overall useability of the Kaiser when processing anything with graphics, from simple site layouts to vids or games. And in addition my head is still working on the whole ROM thing right now, at least I got the differences between SPL, Radio and ROM finally
Okay, just have to push this up again as there came up some new questions (before I can finally order this thing here):
1.) Graphic Drivers
I'm still a bit confused about those. HTC did not implement real drivers for hardware acceleration, that's what I already got. But then there are some roms like the HyperDragon III WM6.1 WWE (which seems to be ported from the Diamond) that has "Direct3D Mobile Display Drivers", there's the "26_Kaiser_Diamond_V8" release with some ATI Drivers and there is the OpenGL project which seems to get into the hot phase right now. So what is the real deal here, where is the difference between those drivers and which impact do they have, compared to an untouched Kaiser.
2.) Roms
Also, just to get it clear: Roms are a user "cooked" combination of a tweaked OS (Windows Mobile with drivers or registry changes) together with a mostly changed interace and a cleaned up program package (removed and/or added), right? But I will still be able to configure the whole unit by myself, maybe not on the driver/OS level but on the program or interface level (for example: enable slide to unlocked if not already included, or disable a touchFlo feature, add or remove other software and so on).
Again, thanks for your help.
Skirr said:
Okay, just have to push this up again as there came up some new questions (before I can finally order this thing here):
1.) Graphic Drivers
I'm still a bit confused about those. HTC did not implement real drivers for hardware acceleration, that's what I already got. But then there are some roms like the HyperDragon III WM6.1 WWE (which seems to be ported from the Diamond) that has "Direct3D Mobile Display Drivers", there's the "26_Kaiser_Diamond_V8" release with some ATI Drivers and there is the OpenGL project which seems to get into the hot phase right now. So what is the real deal here, where is the difference between those drivers and which impact do they have, compared to an untouched Kaiser.
2.) Roms
Also, just to get it clear: Roms are a user "cooked" combination of a tweaked OS (Windows Mobile with drivers or registry changes) together with a mostly changed interace and a cleaned up program package (removed and/or added), right? But I will still be able to configure the whole unit by myself, maybe not on the driver/OS level but on the program or interface level (for example: enable slide to unlocked if not already included, or disable a touchFlo feature, add or remove other software and so on).
Again, thanks for your help.
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Ok, the driver issue is a pretty complicated thing, to some it completely cripples the device, and others get annoyed by all the "buzz" created by such a "small" issue. It really varies from user to user how big of a problem the missing drivers are. Normal use of the phone, excluding 3d and some 2d games, is very good. As you may be aware there have been, and still are many focused on creating and implementing drivers, and if you take a look at the htcclassaction.org website you can get a lot more info on the subject, 3D drivers will not do much for the normal wm6 interface or any other uses as they are not 3d applications. take a look at the website i listed and you should have all of the information you need. Keep in mind that this is a very good phone and pda. If you want a phone with a smooth iphone like interface, take a look at other HTC devices or maybe even the new iphone, these are both good alternatives.
As far as the issue with ROMS, there are many different ROMS out there by many different chefs, if you decide to get the Kaiser you should try out anything that you think looks interesting until you find something you like. wanting to customize your phone is easy through ROMS as well, take a look at clean, or lite roms which have the registry changes and small driver implementations from chefs but no "extra" apps. There are a few new drivers floating around, some do make the device a little snappier but are not 3d or even 2d acceleration drivers.
Hope i answered your questions, good luck with what ever you choose!
Thanks, indeed this is a help. So all this ATI stuff coming from the Diamond is not the real deal, maybe a small improvement but nothing more since they are just ported. For sure I already read the site you proposed, but I especially wanted to be sure about those drivers the Diamond roms carry with them. I don't think they are mentioned there, or did I miss something?
Anyway, I think I will just have to try and see for myself if the Kaiser would be "crippled" or "absolutely useful" for me. The new iPhone is cool, but for my needs it will be far to expensive, same with the Touch Pro. And I still want to have the QWERTZ-keyboard, so the other HTC devices are not really satisfying either.
Did it, now the Kaisers on the way, for the cheap price of 350€ unlocked etc. pp. Thanks guys, now I'm going to get everything I need in advance for pimping up my new phone
I very recently bumped to the TouchFLO 2D interface on my Tilt, and have fallen in love with my phone all over again.
I took the time to attempt Android, and while it is still being developed and buggy and such, the nature of the interface alone is not as intuitive (to me) as HTC has made TouchFLO.
Anyone else tried Android? Anyone else sort of disappointed, at least initially?
I've had a small play with Android running on a friend's Kaiser, and honestly I'm not liking the look of it at all.
That said Google Maps is much nicer in Android.
Oops - Double post
I've been playing with the Android port to Kaiser (see this thread), have played with the emulator that's part of the SDK and played on a Android G1 phone.
I found the interface to be intuitive and have been able to navigate my way around the usual features with ease. It has a few rough edges but in general I'm very impressed.
The guys doing the port to the Kaiser are making tremendous progress, with big improvements coming almost daily. That said there's still a lot of work to do before it's ready to replace Windows Mobile. If the port is completed (and I suspect it will be) then I'm pretty sure I'll make the switch and give up on Windows mobile.
So no, I'm not disappointed with Android. I'm just disappointed I can't run it on my Kaiser properly yet ;-)
Cheers,
Lanroth
I really like android on my Kaiser. It is getting more upon usable release. The only problems I see are with connectivity like cellular service and Wi-Fi, calls only being on speakerphone, the issue where if you open the keyboard-the screen rotates the wrong way, and the touchscreen calibration being off. Android for Kaiser has come a long way from the simple and pretty much unusable test version that couldn't do really anything. Also, all the problems I mentioned above are currently being worked on my our best and brightest developers. Although I will certainly stick with windows mobile as my primary OS, I will definitely use Android more as it becomes more stable. All in all, I'm very happy with it.
Dave
I recently erased and reinstalled the rom (it just wasn't running as clean as I wanted to)which is the basic rom that came from ATT. Anyways. i'm having troubles as:
1) I get no response sometimes with the touch screen. Whether I touch hard or soft.After 3 seconds or so of constant tapping it comes to life but happens too frequently. I get so pissed I want to slam it the floor.
2)Another problem i'm having is I can't install many programs. I'm getting tons of errors. I can't install Kaiser tweak or advanced config. I can't install games.
3) when I'm in a wifi area (coffeeshop/restaurant) I go to activate the wifi card (wireless manager) and it gives me the 4 colored icon moving showing it's working for 4-5 seconds and it's still off. I can't activate the damn wifi card..
4)videos I converted with spb mobile dvd appear to play slow and have speech delays/synching, which they never did.
5) A wierd thing happened when I used "file explorer ex" to go to the storage card directory, all of a sudden I had tons of wierd files all having 3 characters only with numbers/letters with a windows icon and I couldn't erase it because it said it was a system file. something like 10-15 of them. I restarted the system and it went back to being normal.
DAMN TYTNII/TILT/8925! i'm fed up with slowness and problems with the phone. I'm considering the Touch pro2 but from what I see it has the same crap processor and so I'm wondering if they didn't include the video driver for that one (or any other model HTC has, and so I'm consider something besides HTC, maybe the xperia) as well. I want to be able to play full movies, skyfire, and a good keyboard not like the tilt. I want the UI to be very fast and smooth not like the tilt.And when I press the red button to hang up a call, I don't want to wait 2-3 seconds either. BTW, when is WM7 coming out cause this 6.1 aint doing it for me.
I AM NOT HAPPY.
That sounds bad.... When you say you reinstalled the ROM do you mean that you reflashed it or that you did a hard reset?
Have you tried a hard reset? (again)
Settings-> system -> clear storage
You could also try the official WM6.1 ROM that can be found on the HTC web site.
if the purpose of the thread was to rant/vent, i'll leave it at that
but if you want help to see if you can improve on some or all of your complaints, we will need more information, particularly:
A. was it fine before? when did each of the problems start? please go back to your original post and describe which problems existed from the beginning and which ones popped up later
B. describe your configuration. which version of windows mobile are you using? 6.0? 6.1? 6.5? is it an official ROM or a "cooked" one? whats your SPL version? which radio ROM are you using?
C. which software are you using for video playback? granted, the kaiser lacks proper video drivers (as do most of HTC's newer models), it can still be tweaked quite nicely to give very acceptable video playback...i play divx/xvid videos at FULL framerate with no lag on my set up, after appropriate tweaks of course
D. maybe the wifi networks you are trying to connect to are SECURE and/or MAC filtered...have you tried connecting to a network that you are certain is open-for-all?
E. have you tried a hard reset as suggested in the first response in this thread?
F. most of the problems you are mentioning sound like SOFTWARE and/or OS issues...hardware is quite a distant possibility to blame so considering moving to a new device based on your reported observations is uninformed. windows phones are windows phones and they are designed to be flexible and masters-of-everything and therefore require the user to be well informed and aware of what he/she is doing. if you can't keep up and don't desire and/or can't harness the uber-power that the kaiser delivers, move on to the iFart and be done with it
my advice is to provide answers to the above and/or perform a hard reset and/or change your ROM. OR, you COULD just have a lemon on your hands in which case a change of hardware is your only option. but you will only know for sure it is a lemon if you go through the motions mentioned here...
good luck!
Have you tried a hard reset? (again)
Settings-> system -> clear storage
No I haven't, but I will.
You could also try the official WM6.1 ROM that can be found on the HTC web site.
I will have to invest more time in learning in how to do that. I did try many months before to read up on how to do the rom stuff but (not to offend the website) the info is all over the place and not esthetically pleasing to read, I gave up. Plus it didn't answer a simple question of:"If you've cid unlocked your phone do you need jumpspl or just do hardSPL"
if the purpose of the thread was to rant/vent, i'll leave it at that
At first it was to write the problems I had but more and more when I was into writing the post I was getting so Pi**ed so mostly help, part rant..
a)I've had the phone since Sept08. After unlocking it using an ebay service I used it as it was. a few weeks after that I did my first hard reset ( I forgot the terminology before) and then a week later found out about the 3 second reset to remove bloatware, so did that. About every 2-3 months it seems to have little problems (not run smoothly, memory full)and I do a hard reset. The last one I did was 2-3 weeks ago. I missed the 3 second opportunity and did a HR again, then did it. On my Mi-SD card I have most of the software I need to get it going. All TCPMP extensions to play flash, windows DLL's , kaiser tweak, memmaid, aflashlight app, skyfire, opera, minimo, fonts, ringtone, HTChome6, a dialer to replace the junk one included,and other stuff, you get the idea. The screen was fine before. never had the tapping problem i'm having now.
b)I can't install KTweak or the andvanced config, which I was easily able to before. I removed opera because it was bothering me with the XML part of the Ktweak, but still not able to..
c) I have WM6 PRO CEOS 5.2.1620(build 18125.0.4.2) just the regular att one I recieved when i bought the phone (ebay)
d)which software are you using for video playback?
TCPMP with all the drivers/DLL's. Btw, for the heck of it, all video's of WMV I converted using SPB dvd mobile I played in windows mobile, and it plays it much smoother than the TCPMP.
e)As far as the wifi is concerned, I mean that first I activate wifi through CONN manager, and try to activate the 2nd icon on the right side going down, the "I" with the the 2 "c's" on each side..that's what i'm talking about, it doesn't want to turn yellow. Then after I activate it, I go to the wifi, see the available networks available then connect to one. I don't even get to the 2nd stage since it doesn't want to turn the wifi on..I tried it this second it works fine. I guess it works according to how it feels that day.. Not that I net so much with the phone. WhenI can't activate the wifi card,, the square "E" icon at the top starts searching using GPRS (if I recall) and it shows the "E" with 2 arrows moving to the sides (like the wifi does) and a windows keeps popping up and won't go away!!! it drives me crazy..I press the hang up button but it doesn't stop it, till I can take it no more and pull the battery out..
maybe the wifi networks you are trying to connect to are SECURE and/or MAC filtered no, their all public wifi's, in restaurants, coffee places..places like that..
f)I'm having another problem I didn't post before. When taking photos, there is no zoom out/in icons like they're used to be. This problem started about 3 months ago. H-reset or S-reset won't bring back the 2 icons. In Video yes, but in camera mode no..
most of the problems you are mentioning sound like SOFTWARE and/or OS issues...hardware is quite a distant possibility to blame so considering moving to a new device based on your reported observations is uninformed. windows phones are windows phones and they are designed to be flexible and masters-of-everything and therefore require the user to be well informed and aware of what he/she is doing. if you can't keep up and don't desire and/or can't harness the uber-power that the kaiser delivers, move on to the iFart and be done with it
YOU"RE 100% right!(Iphone..OH,GOD NO!!)I lack some knowledge as to how to work it properly, you're right about that. I don't want a phone that I buy to have to flash it it, and to do this and that, and blah blah blah. I want something that will work right out of the box. Will be quick, not lack drivers(which btw, HTC back stabbed everyone, and for this reason I'm not sure i'll go with HTC again) and be able to do it all. I'm willing to put down $1k for this phone, even $1400, but fo some reason or another no one can make one. Why I don't know. Why can't 1 smart manufacturer, look at all the flaws of the top phones and produce a perfect phone. People would jump all over it. I also feel like giving up with the TILT, only because it doesn't satisfy my needs. i'm not to happy with the TILT. At first I was extremly excited, but now, I want to slam it to the floor. The software lacks many things, and it can only do so much. The market and tech is there for many years, can't they make a perfect pda phone, and why the hell is taking M$ so long to make an OS that has it all? If they can make a great OS like Windows 7, why can't they implament that tech to PPC's? LAZY IMO!
I'm looking at all the phones on GSM arena, and none of them has it all, none. Considered the xperia, but crappy rez and small screen. The new Idou, only good because of the 12MP camera, but nothing else, and don't want symbian OS..fed up with Nokia..nothing normal out there. All HTC's. all the same..can't find something normal..
I will do the reset and i'll et you know in a few hours.
Thanks for all your help, I extremely appreciate it..
I should have posted the topic" I NEED HELP PLEASE. TILT AND OWNER FREAKING OUT+RANT"
amitsivak said:
Have you tried a hard reset? (again)
Settings-> system -> clear storage
No I haven't, but I will.
You could also try the official WM6.1 ROM that can be found on the HTC web site.
I will have to invest more time in learning in how to do that...not esthetically pleasing to read, I gave up. Plus it didn't answer a simple question of:"If you've cid unlocked your phone do you need jumpspl or just do hardSPL"
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jumpspl is needed ONLY AND ONLY to CHANGE your HardSPL...it is also needed to put on the HardSPL in the first place. it may not be a very intuitive read and certainly requires some effort on the reader's part but if you read it all carefully, your concepts will become rock solid and all further steps and conclusions will flow logically...the pieces will fall into place.
if the purpose of the thread was to rant/vent, i'll leave it at that
At first it was to write the problems I had but more and more when I was into writing the post I was getting so Pi**ed so mostly help, part rant..
a)I've had the phone since Sept08...On my Mi-SD card I have most of the software I need to get it going. All TCPMP extensions to play flash, windows DLL's , kaiser tweak, memmaid, aflashlight app, skyfire, opera, minimo, fonts, ringtone, HTChome6, a dialer to replace the junk one included,and other stuff, you get the idea. The screen was fine before. never had the tapping problem i'm having now.
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its a good idea to keep all installables on your micro sd card. BUT, you should install ONLY the stuff you TRULY need. also remember to clear up browser caches and temporary files that are dropped on the device internal memory from time to time. skyfire, opera, minimo...thats THREE browsers in addition to the builtin IE...i just stick to the latest official beta of opera 9.7 in addition to the latest IE built in to my winmo6.5 ROM. my point is, windows mobile (pre 6.x, 6.0, 6.1, and 6.5) is somewhat delicate and sensitive in terms of the specific versions of applications you install. i've had my kaiser (my FIRST winmo device) for just over a year...i still use pretty much the same applications as i did the first couple of months, i've abandoned some in favor of better ones, and nearly all of them are newer versions that i am certain are compatible with the winmo build(s) i am using at any given time. your stock ROM is quite an OLD build and quite a few corrections and improvements have been made to the OS, so much so that the build number is now in the 21xxx range (compared to your 6.0 build of 18125) and still going further (a bunch of new bugs and issues are inevitable as the OS moves forward). my point is, perhaps you have accumulated some newer installables that don't quite play well with your old OS build 18125.
b)I can't install KTweak or the andvanced config, which I was easily able to before. I removed opera because it was bothering me with the XML part of the Ktweak, but still not able to..
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thats odd...once again, kaisertweak and advanced config have both progressed to newer versions...if you have an old installable, try a new installable. if you are already trying the new installable, try the old one from the era that your build belongs to.
c) I have WM6 PRO CEOS 5.2.1620(build 18125.0.4.2) just the regular att one I recieved when i bought the phone (ebay)
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i'm not saying you should try att's newer official winmo6.1 ROM but some people have reported great improvements, but your milage may vary. i, on the other hand, SWEAR by "cooked" ROMs and there are some particular cooked ROMs that will impress the $H1T out of you
d)which software are you using for video playback?
TCPMP with all the drivers/DLL's. Btw, for the heck of it, all video's of WMV I converted using SPB dvd mobile I played in windows mobile, and it plays it much smoother than the TCPMP.
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i never used TCPMP and i quickly moved on to coreplayer, even when i was on winmo6.0. so far, the BEST video performance i have gotten was with the following configuration:
1. Sakajati's HyperDragon IV Rhodium ROM (April 10th, 2009)
2. chainfire's gfxboost v1.1
3. coreplayer 1.3.2 build 6909
4. coreplayer configured to DISABLE QTV mode, and video mode set to DirectDraw @ medium quality
on a side note, the ROM mentioned in item 1 above is STELLAR if you're looking for a good cooked winmo6.1 ROM.
e)As far as the wifi is concerned, I mean that first I activate wifi...I guess it works according to how it feels that day.. Not that I net so much with the phone. WhenI can't activate the wifi card,, the square "E" icon at the top starts searching using GPRS (if I recall) and it shows the "E" with 2 arrows moving to the sides (like the wifi does) and a windows keeps popping up and won't go away!!! it drives me crazy..I press the hang up button but it doesn't stop it, till I can take it no more and pull the battery out..
maybe the wifi networks you are trying to connect to are SECURE and/or MAC filtered no, their all public wifi's, in restaurants, coffee places..places like that..
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make sure your wifi is set for "Best Performance" as opposed to the default "Best Battery". you might want to look into changing your radio ROM as well, making sure to match the radio version with your winmo MAJOR version. that is, some radios are made ONLY for winmo6.0, others ONLY for winmo6.1 and winmo6.5. same concept applies to the particular HardSPL version you use. finally, quite a few senior members and cooks here claim that wifi is the ONLY radio that is NOT AFFECTED by your radio version but my experience has been different.
also, you need to understand how windows mobile "picks" an available connection and uses it. if your data connection is set up and enabled, it will almost always be picked and forced to connect, even if your wifi is already connected. you'll have to read up some more about the concept but here is what i do. i have my data connection DISABLED all the time. i force windows mobile to always pick "My Work Network" (which is usually the wifi). note that windows will NEVER force the wifi to connect and won't be able to connect the data connection because i have disabled it. this way, i have TOTAL control over how it "dials out". so when i am in a wifi area, i connect my wifi manually and when i am not in a wifi area, i enable my data connection and i let windows dial out onto Edge/GPRS, etc.
f)I'm having another problem I didn't post before. When taking photos, there is no zoom out/in icons like they're used to be. This problem started about 3 months ago. H-reset or S-reset won't bring back the 2 icons. In Video yes, but in camera mode no..
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errr i think the zoom level is controllable in the camera ONLY in non-3-megapixel mode. that is, if your camera's picture taking mode is set to 3MP, you will NOT get any zoom control. set it to anything lower and you should get zoom control. you must have inadvertantly set the resolution to below 3MP and 3 months ago, either you or the hard reset must have caused it to revert to 3MP, hence your inability to zoom in picture mode.
most of the problems you are mentioning sound like SOFTWARE and/or OS issues...hardware is quite a distant possibility to blame so considering moving to a new device based on your reported observations is uninformed. windows phones are windows phones and they are designed to be flexible and masters-of-everything and therefore require the user to be well informed and aware of what he/she is doing. if you can't keep up and don't desire and/or can't harness the uber-power that the kaiser delivers, move on to the iFart and be done with it
YOU"RE 100% right!(Iphone..OH,GOD NO!!)I lack some knowledge as to how to work it properly, you're right about that. I don't want a phone that I buy to have to flash it it, and to do this and that, and blah blah blah. I want something that will work right out of the box. Will be quick, not lack drivers(which btw, HTC back stabbed everyone, and for this reason I'm not sure i'll go with HTC again) and be able to do it all. I'm willing to put down $1k for this phone, even $1400, but fo some reason or another no one can make one. Why I don't know. Why can't 1 smart manufacturer, look at all the flaws of the top phones and produce a perfect phone. People would jump all over it. I also feel like giving up with the TILT, only because it doesn't satisfy my needs. i'm not to happy with the TILT. At first I was extremly excited, but now, I want to slam it to the floor. The software lacks many things, and it can only do so much. The market and tech is there for many years, can't they make a perfect pda phone, and why the hell is taking M$ so long to make an OS that has it all? If they can make a great OS like Windows 7, why can't they implament that tech to PPC's? LAZY IMO!
I'm looking at all the phones on GSM arena, and none of them has it all, none. Considered the xperia, but crappy rez and small screen. The new Idou, only good because of the 12MP camera, but nothing else, and don't want symbian OS..fed up with Nokia..nothing normal out there. All HTC's. all the same..can't find something normal..
I will do the reset and i'll et you know in a few hours.
Thanks for all your help, I extremely appreciate it..
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i said it before and i'll say it again and i don't mean to sound harsh but windows mobile is powerful...and with great power comes great responsibility...the user HAS TO BE AWARE of what he/she is doing and what is going on in the device to be able to tweak it and customize it and to get it to do EXACTLY what is desired.
Hi all, I bought a samsung focus i677 for my little sister, very nice phone but, i really disappointed because i can´t transfer files via bluetooth, also the mode usb storage like android does`t exist . This Os sucks. . . . is very smooth but is a ****. . . Anybody can guide me if this Os can be convert in Os better, Is possible install a custom rom with optimizations like bluetooth conection, usb storage.
Any support will be apreciated
Sorry by my minimal english. . I learning
Betho180 said:
Hi all, I bought a samsung focus i677 for my little sister, very nice phone but, i really disappointed because i can´t transfer files via bluetooth, also the mode usb storage like android does`t exist . This Os sucks. . . . is very smooth but is a ****. . . Anybody can guide me if this Os can be convert in Os better, Is possible install a custom rom with optimizations like bluetooth conection, usb storage.
Any support will be apreciated
Sorry by my minimal english. . I learning
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at the risk of sounding slightly cheeky my friend, you do realise that everything you said there is,..
A) Well documented from day 1 as not being supported
B) The vast majority of users don't ever use such features
C) its all easily found out within a few seconds searching via google
Now leaving that aside, does your sister really need those features or are you imposing your needs on her?
USB storage is handy i agree but not a deal breaker, the device is primarily a phone which it excels at
Bluetooth Transfer is another "feature" that was hardly used by the masses outside if you want to get all picky we can say the same for Android as it doesn't support the full BT stack either, therefore Android is also crap and Windows Mobile is the best ever OS.
No, the OS doesn't suck, it does exactly as it was designed to do, and what it does do, in my opinion, is several times better than iOS or Android.
Yes it could have more features, but firstly its new, secondly MS has decades of usage date available which has told them where they need to focus and what your wanting isn't anywhere near the top of the list.
Remember, WP is a PHONE OS, its designed to be a phone first and puts phone priorities above all else.
Im not ranting, im just pointing out that you should firstly find out what your sister actually wants rather than what you want and secondly, read up on stuff before you buy it.
in answer to all your questions
For that device as it stands, NO, kinda and no
BT transfer is available on SOME custom ROMs, namely HTC 1st and now 2nd gen devices, if fully unlocked any device "should" be able to use BT transfer.
USB storage, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1069568, check that out, its not my idea of working but its handy
To date, I believe (correct me if im wrong) that the HTC HD2 is the only phone where we have different OSs on the same device (android, WM and WP)
Thankss
dazza9075 said:
at the risk of sounding slightly cheeky my friend, you do realise that everything you said there is,..
A) Well documented from day 1 as not being supported
B) The vast majority of users don't ever use such features
C) its all easily found out within a few seconds searching via google
Now leaving that aside, does your sister really need those features or are you imposing your needs on her?
USB storage is handy i agree but not a deal breaker, the device is primarily a phone which it excels at
Bluetooth Transfer is another "feature" that was hardly used by the masses outside if you want to get all picky we can say the same for Android as it doesn't support the full BT stack either, therefore Android is also crap and Windows Mobile is the best ever OS.
No, the OS doesn't suck, it does exactly as it was designed to do, and what it does do, in my opinion, is several times better than iOS or Android.
Yes it could have more features, but firstly its new, secondly MS has decades of usage date available which has told them where they need to focus and what your wanting isn't anywhere near the top of the list.
Remember, WP is a PHONE OS, its designed to be a phone first and puts phone priorities above all else.
Im not ranting, im just pointing out that you should firstly find out what your sister actually wants rather than what you want and secondly, read up on stuff before you buy it.
in answer to all your questions
For that device as it stands, NO, kinda and no
BT transfer is available on SOME custom ROMs, namely HTC 1st and now 2nd gen devices, if fully unlocked any device "should" be able to use BT transfer.
USB storage, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1069568, check that out, its not my idea of working but its handy
To date, I believe (correct me if im wrong) that the HTC HD2 is the only phone where we have different OSs on the same device (android, WM and WP)
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Thanks Bro . . I will