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Hello,
I've been reading up on the kaiser for a little while now and think the specs are amazing.
I've been meaning to get a new phone for a while now, upgrade from my samsung e715. I'm thinking about getting the t-mobile wing as a replacement.
I was wondering if this is a feasible idea, I mean, with the possibility of at&t getting the kaiser, should I wait for that to unlock it?
Will T-mobile be getting a nicer/better version of the p4550 when/if there 3G network goes up?
Just seeking some input, and any would be much appreciated. Thank you

Yea... upgrade! WM will be a bit of a shock to you, it's quite different than what you're used to in terms of mobile telephony. The Kaiser would be a great piece of technology for anyone to own, however the price tag may not be everyone's cup of tea. Personally I plan to get an unlocked one for some 800 dollars. ATT may offer it for 500 with 2 year plan. As for unlocking, if you have international travel ahead of you in a near future then I believe there is a SIM unlock solution already. If not, I wouldn't worry about it until you need it unlocked.

oh well i was thinking of buying the at&t 8925 and unlocking and using on t-mobile. I don't know if it will be capable of syncing with T-mobile's 3G when they have it up and running, like what band they use and whatnot.

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oh well i was thinking of buying the at&t 8925 and unlocking and using on t-mobile. I don't know if it will be capable of syncing with T-mobile's 3G when they have it up and running, like what band they use and whatnot.
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if i were you i wouldnt get the wing. its too slow, plus on a lot of them theres a memory problems. i used to have t-mobile but when i switched to cingular i found out they're much better and the signal is much better. also you get more minutes for the same price t-mobile offers.
so right now i have a t-mobile sda unlocked for cingular, just waiting for the kaiser. I dont know how long it will take before there is a Kaiser Sim unlock utility, so you can either get an unlocked htc kaiser or the AT&T Tilt (their calling the 8925 that now) and wait for a sim unlock utility.

think it would work on the t-mobile 3g network? on the 1700 band?

Should I buy an unlocked TYTN II now or wait for AT&T's 8925?

1) I heard some news a while back that three different Kaisers were submitted to the FCC; one was the full Kaiser as we know it, another had the front camera removed, and the third had something else removed as well (I think it was the rear camera). Does anyone know which of these three will be released as the 8925?
2) Does AT&T usually install bloatware with their ROMs? If so, could I flash an 8925 with a TYTN II ROM or would that run a risk of bricking the device?
3) if I decide to buy the 8925, it'll be without a contract. Still though, I'm wary. See, I'm currently using an unlocked HTC p3300 (Artemis), even though I'm still successfully using a "MEdia Max" smartphone data plan grandfathered back when I had a windows mobile smartphone, to get full internet access at a lower cost. I just slipped the simcard into the p3300 when I bought it and used the internet as I always did. I'd like to continue to operate 'under the radar' so to speak, but I'm afraid it won't go so smoothly this time if I buy a device straight from AT&T. Does anyone know if AT&T does some sort of owner / device lookup when you buy a new phone, to ensure you're using the "correct" service? In this case, they might force me to go with a PDA data plan, which costs twice as much - something I'd rather not do!
4) Will the kaiser's usage of HSDPA trigger a 'red flag' on this "Media Max" smartphone data plan I have and incur all sorts of extra charges? Or are there other smartphones out on the AT&T market already that feature HSDPA?

On 3), I posed a similar question a while ago:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324535
In that thread someone suggests the best option is to tell the AT&T rep when you buy the 8925 that you just want to keep your existing plan 'as is'. Hopefully that will work!

warwickwebb said:
On 3), I posed a similar question a while ago:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324535
In that thread someone suggests the best option is to tell the AT&T rep when you buy the 8925 that you just want to keep your existing plan 'as is'. Hopefully that will work!
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The easiest way if the ATT rep gives you a problem is to tell them you dont want any data plan, then go on the online account manager and add the MediaMax Plan yourself. And if the online manager does not list the MediaMax due to your phone being a PDA and not a phone (this happens sometimes but not usually) then borrow a friends phone (or in my case go to the closet and pick a random phone that is collecting dust) and transfer SIM and wait for ATT online to think you have a phone and then the feature for MediaMax will appear.

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The easiest way if the ATT rep gives you a problem is to tell them you dont want any data plan, then go on the online account manager and add the MediaMax Plan yourself. And if the online manager does not list the MediaMax due to your phone being a PDA and not a phone (this happens sometimes but not usually) then borrow a friends phone (or in my case go to the closet and pick a random phone that is collecting dust) and transfer SIM and wait for ATT online to think you have a phone and then the feature for MediaMax will appear.
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Interesting - so if you pop your SIM card into another phone, the system will automatically update to reflect this other phone? I always figured it just showed you the last phone you purchased....

I always just tell the AT&T rep that this is a gift for a girlfriend, and when you get home, just pop in your old sim... No harm no foul. Worked for me.

faustiano said:
I always just tell the AT&T rep that this is a gift for a girlfriend, and when you get home, just pop in your old sim... No harm no foul. Worked for me.
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hahah that's a good one!
although frankly i think hell will freeze over before any female will be caught lugging one of these big old HTC devices around..

demione said:
hahah that's a good one!
although frankly i think hell will freeze over before any female will be caught lugging one of these big old HTC devices around..
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We are waiting for the ladies to flame this guy. To add to it.....
I was on a plane and saw this business lady with her IBM laptop working on a spreadsheet and next to it was her 8525. She looked at a contact and then put it down on the tray table. The screen looked like she impaled it with her tweezers. It was such a stereo type moment to see such disrespect for such a high quality piece of electronics.

Are you wanting to buy it at the 2yr contract pricing? Or are you buying it at full retail(no commitment) pricing? If you want to buy it full retail, I would most definitely buy an unlocked phone elsewhere. If you're wanting the discount, you can buy the phone, sign the contract and then if you're made to switch your plan, take an old phone, call up CS and tell them you want to change your IMEI and also switch to the 19.99 Media Max plan. It's really that simple. As far as them flagging your account for HSDPA usage(I've never seen something like that in the 4 yrs I've worked for att/cingular), if you get ridiculous ie over 100mb's then you may need to worry, but to be perfectly honest with you, if you put your sim in a phone...they can tell what kind it is...doesn't matter if you call in to change the IMEI or not. If you need more details, feel free to PM me.

i didn't wait...i'm using my Tytn II w/Smartphone Connect data plan as I had been with my Trinity for the last year. this includes tethering with data usage averaging 600MB+ per month over the last 9 months. i purchased a 3125 from ATT last Sep/Oct and got the Smartphone data plan at that time... wifey has the phone now and i'm using the SIM with my Tytn II. it's my experience that tethering will connect using HSDPA by default and work down to UMTS and/or Edge if the faster services are not available... so far no issues with MaMa Bell (a.k.a., ATT)....

Can the HTC Tilt work on T-Mobile USA?

I have T-mobile and I really like the Tilt. If I were to able to get it unlocked will it work on T-Mobile's network?
If you you already have the HTC Tilt and using it on T-Mobile are there any conflicts?

soloheat13 said:
I have T-mobile and I really like the Tilt. If I were to able to get it unlocked will it work on T-Mobile's network?
If you you already have the HTC Tilt and using it on T-Mobile are there any conflicts?
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Yes It works, I have not had any problems on T-mobile

You don't have any problems sending and receiving messages, or getting on the web?
How would I get it unlocked?

for the love of god please do NOT BUY A TILT!! can you not read all of the major threads in this forum? the htc tytn11 aka att tilt is a big pile of s***. If people keep buying this phone, htc will do nothing about the problems of this phone. get informed and buy a different phone please.
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Well I am sure the Tilt is not as bad as the Wing!!!

wsmith79 said:
for the love of god please do NOT BUY A TILT!! can you not read all of the major threads in this forum? the htc tytn11 aka att tilt is a big pile of s***. If people keep buying this phone, htc will do nothing about the problems of this phone. get informed and buy a different phone please.
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DUDE, calm down. . . some people wont use it for what we use it so the problem wont make it self that obvious. Geez. . . the tilt is the best pda out(just lacking drivers) and it is nice to use. . .

wsmith79 said:
for the love of god please do NOT BUY A TILT!! can you not read all of the major threads in this forum? the htc tytn11 aka att tilt is a big pile of s***. If people keep buying this phone, htc will do nothing about the problems of this phone. get informed and buy a different phone please.
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I think the tilt is a great phone, even if it isn't as great as it has potential to be. If something happened to mine today, I would buy another tomorrow. If you want a phone specifically for watching videos and taking pictures you could do better, but the tilt is one of best PDAs on the market right now (if not THE best).
HTC definately needs to come up with some drivers for us, but you have to admit, they still made one heck of a nice phone.

With my Tilt on T-Mobile I get all my services fine. I even use the 5.99 data plan for my internet on it. I reflashed to Dutty's 6.1, and when I hard reset, it asked me if I wanted to auto configure to T-Mobile's settings. Hit yes, viola, done.
Hey, all you haters out there: He probably already read the NUMEROUS threads about the driver issues. How could he miss them? Please let newbies make their own decisions on what devices they want to purchase. All he has to do is lurk, and he'll find more than enough information on the Tilt/Kaiser.

I have had no problems at all with my tilt and tmobile. Two ways to get it unlocked are to call att and ask them to unlock it for you, or what most people are now unlocking it themselves using jockyw2001 Kaiser Sim Unlocker. Here is the link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361039
Good luck do a lot of reading.

wsmith79 said:
for the love of god please do NOT BUY A TILT!! can you not read all of the major threads in this forum? the htc tytn11 aka att tilt is a big pile of sh**. If people keep buying this phone, htc will do nothing about the problems of this phone. get informed and buy a different phone please.
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Mod Request: Lose the bad language, If you have nothing to contribute to the forum then do not post.

email routing issue + cannot download TM's w/ pics
Hi All ~~
It sounds like I may have found the right msg board! I am a T-Mobile customer using an unlocked AT&T phone with the original ROM (minus the bloatware). I currently have three msging accounts on the Tilt: test msging, a hotmail account and a work email account. I am having two annoying problems:
(1) I keep getting TMs saying that I have received an email on my work account; however I cannot (a) get the text msg notifications to turn off, nor (b) get the emails to actually pull down into the account. So: I know I have a work email (even who from), but cannot read it. Any thoughts on how to resolve either or both of these issues?
(2) I cannot receive or send pic text msgs. Really annoying; I am curious to see how other T-Mobile Tilt users have their settings arranged for this.
Thank you in advance for any assistance you can provide ~~ Kim

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Tilt on T-mob
Im in the same boat.. A little further down the river.. Here is what I did.. Bought a brand new Tilt of Craigslist for $300.. I did 3 things..
I used a service on Ebay that gave me the unlock code for my phone.. search TILT or HTC unlock on ebay.. Costs $13 and is well worth it to avoid the risk of flashing the phone.. ++ I don't know how valuable your time is but it was well worth $13 to me.. It takes a while of digging around in the forums and figuring things out before you feel comfortable with all of the procedures and language.. I think I saw my phone actually trembling with fear as I plugged her in for a flash.. Maybe that was me..
Getting the unlock code for your phone gets the tilt working right out of the gate.. Put in your Tmobile sim, enter the unlock code and voila!! The only thing you need to do now is change the network settings for T-mobile Data..
After getting the phone unlocked, I did finally get the Hard SPL to work.. After that I flashed Dutty's new 6.1 Rom.. Everything is working great.. Love this phone..
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wsmith79 said:
for the love of god please do NOT BUY A TILT!! can you not read all of the major threads in this forum? the htc tytn11 aka att tilt is a big pile of s***. If people keep buying this phone, htc will do nothing about the problems of this phone. get informed and buy a different phone please.
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I love my tilt and I paid full price for it from ATT. There is nothing wrong with it. Its a phone not a laptop or server. It does what it was intended to do period.

muthaflaco said:
With my Tilt on T-Mobile I get all my services fine. I even use the 5.99 data plan for my internet on it. I reflashed to Dutty's 6.1, and when I hard reset, it asked me if I wanted to auto configure to T-Mobile's settings. Hit yes, viola, done.
Hey, all you haters out there: He probably already read the NUMEROUS threads about the driver issues. How could he miss them? Please let newbies make their own decisions on what devices they want to purchase. All he has to do is lurk, and he'll find more than enough information on the Tilt/Kaiser.
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So if I flash my tilt with dutty's 6.1 when i turn it on it will automatically ask me to configure T-mobiles settings for the data plan? The 5.99 data plan works with all the internet sites and programs. I've tried everything for it to work )=. Thanks in advance.

moddin said:
So if I flash my tilt with dutty's 6.1 when i turn it on it will automatically ask me to configure T-mobiles settings for the data plan? The 5.99 data plan works with all the internet sites and programs. I've tried everything for it to work )=. Thanks in advance.
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Yea, there are some roms that come with the settings configure app from HTC pre installed, if not just look in the cab data base down load it, then pop out then re pop your sim in turn it on and it will do it.

moddin said:
So if I flash my tilt with dutty's 6.1 when i turn it on it will automatically ask me to configure T-mobiles settings for the data plan? The 5.99 data plan works with all the internet sites and programs. I've tried everything for it to work )=. Thanks in advance.
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Yes, and no. When you have 6.1 on it, the first thing it asks is if you want to configure to T-Mobile's network. If you have the Data Plan, it will configure for it. It will be just the Data though. You still have to manually input the proxies to get the full internet. The settings are here, on post #4:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=357197&highlight=tilt+tmobile+internet

Everything is great so far about the Tilt, i only have 2 problems, I can either search the internet using the Tmobile Data setting, or i can get MMS messages using the T-Mobile MMS setting, however i cannot get both to work at the same time. If anyone has figured this out please let me know how you did it.
The other problem is just the short battery life i seem to be getting.

True2TheGame said:
Everything is great so far about the Tilt, i only have 2 problems, I can either search the internet using the Tmobile Data setting, or i can get MMS messages using the T-Mobile MMS setting, however i cannot get both to work at the same time. If anyone has figured this out please let me know how you did it.
The other problem is just the short battery life i seem to be getting.
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Call T-Mobile and ask for a OTA settings transfer. They are very lenient with unlocked phones. Just say its a WM6 Pda phone and they will send you the settings.

muthaflaco said:
Yes, and no. When you have 6.1 on it, the first thing it asks is if you want to configure to T-Mobile's network. If you have the Data Plan, it will configure for it. It will be just the Data though. You still have to manually input the proxies to get the full internet. The settings are here, on post #4:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=357197&highlight=tilt+tmobile+internet
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i bought my tilt the day it came out my friend unlocked it i input the info and my internet works fine
i jus cant send instant messages
nor send emails all of a sudden

family plan question

I'm sure this question has been asked before, and I'm expecting the "use search"flame but, I'm on my hd2 over edge at god awful speeds...anyways...
I've had it with this phone, it's terrible. I've had it since launch day, and I'd hoped I would get used to it by now..not the case. before I got this phone I was considering the n1, until I found out it was only upgradeable for individuals. My question is, if I buy an n1 outright, will I be able to get my sim card and put it in and it work?I have a family plan with unlimited data. (T-mobile obviously)

Yes, you can just pop in your exist T-Mobile SIM card and it will work.

Rock on, thanks man.

To add... when I was signing up for my account (I bought the phone outright) I asked what plan options are available. They said I could even use a prepaid SIM in it, they didn't care. Obviously the prepaid would be cheaper depending on how much I use, but you have to keep an eye on it.
From the 3 different TMo reps I talked to, they said your plan is tied to the SIM card, what phone you put that SIM card into, doesn't matter. That's what I was told, hope it's right and hope that helps.

clickwir said:
To add... when I was signing up for my account (I bought the phone outright) I asked what plan options are available. They said I could even use a prepaid SIM in it, they didn't care. Obviously the prepaid would be cheaper depending on how much I use, but you have to keep an eye on it.
From the 3 different TMo reps I talked to, they said your plan is tied to the SIM card, what phone you put that SIM card into, doesn't matter. That's what I was told, hope it's right and hope that helps.
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100% correct. I bought the N1 with ATT 3G bands and just slammed my SIM card in it and away I went

Sweet, since I'm here and got more responses than I thought...from the general consensus, what are the biggest "faults"of the n1?
anything like buggy sms, outdated OS, freeze issues, lockups, <24 battery life it anything like that?
Also this if more a personal preference but, I've had tmobile for 3 years now, but I'm really starting to get irked at the lack of 3g and better technology, would it be worth it to break contract and switch to at&t? I just renewed for another 2 years with tmo so I think it's like 175 it something for early cancellation.

Susasama said:
Sweet, since I'm here and got more responses than I thought...from the general consensus, what are the biggest "faults"of the n1?
anything like buggy sms, outdated OS, freeze issues, lockups, <24 battery life it anything like that?
Also this if more a personal preference but, I've had tmobile for 3 years now, but I'm really starting to get irked at the lack of 3g and better technology, would it be worth it to break contract and switch to at&t? I just renewed for another 2 years with tmo so I think it's like 175 it something for early cancellation.
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nothing so serious as any of those things, the common issues is 3g connectivity being spotty (but they have fixed this for the most part) and touch sensitivity bugs (nothing I've experienced). Tmobile is currently adding 3.5g all around america http://t-mobile-coverage.t-mobile.com/coverage# see the ling in middle of page to see cities with it and what is comming.

Susasama said:
Sweet, since I'm here and got more responses than I thought...from the general consensus, what are the biggest "faults"of the n1?
anything like buggy sms, outdated OS, freeze issues, lockups, <24 battery life it anything like that?
Also this if more a personal preference but, I've had tmobile for 3 years now, but I'm really starting to get irked at the lack of 3g and better technology, would it be worth it to break contract and switch to at&t? I just renewed for another 2 years with tmo so I think it's like 175 it something for early cancellation.
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Poor Exchange support so if you want this thing to play nice with a work account good luck.
But other than that, there are no show stopper bugs/defects. For the most part the Nexus One with 2.1 is a solid consumer smartphone and there won't be any worry about outdated OS since Google will push out updates to the N1 first and if you're too impatient for them to push it to you, you can always find it here.
About the 3G issues, you may want to check this post which explains how T-Mobile shows their data speeds and check AT&T's coverage map for your area to see how they compare.

I would absolutely not go to AT&T from T-mobile. You're much better off on that side of the road, bro.

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I would absolutely not go to AT&T from T-mobile. You're much better off on that side of the road, bro.
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2nd.coverage may be good but service is terrible.dropped calls and privacy breeches as well

Which gTab? Carrrier thoughts please...

Getting my GF a tablet and have kinda ruled out the Ipad because we both don't like Apple and iTunes. I;m experienced with Android and thats what I want to get her. I bought the NookColor and rooted it and all that, but it's going back. It's just not a viable solution for someone not too technical and wants to just pick something up and use it. Mainly because of the lacking hard buttons and no 3g is really the deal breaker now. The gTab seems perfect because of 3g and simple to use. I thought they were all the same until I started reading and it seems as if Tmobile is a bad idea unless you want unlimited data without a contract. So let me get to the needs: minimal data on a month to month plan. I prefer to pay out front and not be under contract. So which carriers Gtab is for her? Or should I wait for something else? BTW I don't like playing the waiting game because you just end up waiting and waiting. She's perfectly fine using a device for years where as I need the latest, greatest.
Thanks in advance.

http://thenextweb.com/gadgets/2010/11/17/want-to-buy-a-samsung-galaxy-tab-heres-what-you-need-to-know/

I guess any of ATT or tmobile will be good. Because if u want to resale it (after few month ) you can unlock it and sell it on nice price and also gsm is acceptable in other countries too. can be used to make calls and receive calls too(dont know about sprint and verizon cdma tabs).
I guess tmobile plans are cheaper than att.
I have tmobile but i dont have data plan because i dont need it. I bought my on local craiglist.

For light no contract 3G, I think AT&T is the cheapest easy option at $15/mo.
The AT&T GT also has the "option" of easy unlocking, then getting a Tmo prepaid SIM and using Tmo's DayPass for $1.50/day, EDGE only, but for very light, day by day, its a cheap alternative.
NB you cannot do that with a Tmo GT since Tmo has blocked its own GT's from using the prepaid DayPass.
Another fringe idea is Sprint's GT, hacked to run on Boost Mobile, $0.35/day for data, but far more complicated to do the hacking.

Do not get the Verizon tab under any circumstances.

At&t will let you have the complete tab and phone experience. And it travels overseas better.

While I have and love the AT&T Tab, I'll throw a wrench in here and say that Spacemoose is going to bat for the CDMA Tabs with HC! I'd give the edge to GSM, but not a big deal as I use mine with Wi-Fi only.

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Do not get the Verizon tab under any circumstances.
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please amplify... why not?
- not GSM, no ROMs? no SIMs? no int'l usage?
- no 2.3.4 update unlike Sprint?
what else?

neurocutie said:
please amplify... why not?
- not GSM, no ROMs? no SIMs? no int'l usage?
- no 2.3.4 update unlike Sprint?
what else?
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- No GB upgrade -- and knowing VZ, it will be practically never when we get it
- CDMA generally behind the GSM curve in terms of carrier upgrades
- More development on the GSM front

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- No GB upgrade -- and knowing VZ, it will be practically never when we get it
- CDMA generally behind the GSM curve in terms of carrier upgrades
- More development on the GSM front
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Sure GSM tab is getting more ROMs, but the only official GB upgrade in the US now is Sprint CDMA and that works on Verizon's tab.