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Here's the story, I had a TMobile G1 Retail phone, I hacked it installed a new bootloader yadda yadda and put the Android Dev 1 or whatever is the latest version onto the phone, set it up with a gmail account etc, all is well.
Well the reason I did this is so I could give the phone to my wife who lives in the Dominican Republic, Well I thought to be the safe hubby and put the Visual lock on it and set a real simple pattern for her to remember.
Her friends are dense at times, and repeatedly botched the visual locked until it asked her for her credentials and locked her out of the phone.
Now the catch is she doesn't have any sort of data plan, I don't even know if a compatible service exists with Orange over there.
How can I unlock her phone without it being able to communicate with Google via a data connection, is a hard reset in order? Will that prompt her to set up a new account, or if I remember correctly do you need to even setup an account just for basic phone usage.
I'd just hate for her to lose all the apps/games I put on there with a hard reset or having to track down someone technical over there to push a new install.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=485988
No need to get the entire sdk, just send the adb.exe and adbwinapi.dll files.
By the way, if the phone doesn't have a dataplan then i'm assuming it's not logged into Google? If that's the case why not just deactivate the lock screen? The main purpose is to prevent casual access to your GMail/GCal/etc if you were to lose your phone.
Thanks for the reply, and yeah well after she told me what happened, I immediately asked myself the same question, I was busy during the visit and the little things that are important I neglected to conceive.
I should have gone through and turned off alot of settings but I just didn't think about it at the time.
Thanks again.
So, unfortunately I got mugged and my G1 was stolen.
I already changed all relevant passwords and will soon contact the network and police so they can lock the phone and the card.
However, I just wanted to be sure that if I change my google account password, the G1 can no longer access my data without the new password.
Or if the G1 always has access to it despite any changes.
wap32 said:
So, unfortunately I got mugged and my G1 was stolen.
I already changed all relevant passwords and will soon contact the network and police so they can lock the phone and the card.
However, I just wanted to be sure that if I change my google account password, the G1 can no longer access my data without the new password.
Or if the G1 always has access to it despite any changes.
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Within a few minutes of a password change Android will lose sync and a pop up will hit the notification bar to update the password.
Sorry to hear about that... =(
Are you getting a new one? If so, make sure this time you install a GPS tracker, there are many programs on the market. I use GPStracker by instamapper, it works really well. You need to create an account and enter the device code you get online onto your G1. From there you can text your phone and it will enable GPS, and you can view where your phone is online. Here is the site, and i am terribly sorry that happened to you!!
http://www.instamapper.com/
Thanks for all the input guys.
The thing is, first thing the thieves usually do (as they did in this case) is take out the battery on the phone.
Also, they usually also get rid of the SIM card, and insert another one, most likely of a different network, so the G1 won't have internet access.
That kinda makes those programs useless.
wap32 said:
Thanks for all the input guys.
The thing is, first thing the thieves usually do (as they did in this case) is take out the battery on the phone.
Also, they usually also get rid of the SIM card, and insert another one, most likely of a different network, so the G1 won't have internet access.
That kinda makes those programs useless.
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That's why I don't unlock my phone for another network until it's absolutely necessary. If they have to unlock it, that takes time with the correct SIM installed (and then I am able to track it).
Out of curiosity, have you tried looking on Google's Latitude?
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That's why I don't unlock my phone for another network until it's absolutely necessary. If they have to unlock it, that takes time with the correct SIM installed (and then I am able to track it).
Out of curiosity, have you tried looking on Google's Latitude?
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Latitude wasn't activated...
owned.
well you can tell t-mobile and they can probably track your sim.
G1-evolve said:
owned.
well you can tell t-mobile and they can probably track your sim.
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They wont. They will disable the IMEI (if recorded) on their network but that's it.
Yeah, no chances of SIM tracking, but they can disable the IMEI on a national level, essentially making the phone useless on the country.
Well, I know I've never had to worry about being hacked with my Trackstick.
Any application you can get for tracking your phone's location will only be useful if you LOSE your phone... then you can follow it.
If you want to be able to track a STOLEN phone, you need to think along a different line....
First off, the FIRST TWO THINGS that the thief will do are... 1) change SIM, 2) FACTORY RESET. That means that anything installed on the DATA partition... is gone.
So what do you do? Obviously, you need to install something on the SYSTEM partition. Not only that, but it must not have any configurations that are stored on the data partition.
Easy and simple solution is this;
You rig up a bootup script that checks if the installed SIMCARD is yours. If it is NOT, it will send an SMS message to some phone number, i.e., your googlevoice number. You will then have the thief's phone number. For further fun, CELL SITE ID, maybe GPS coordinates within the SMS message. And periodically repeat.
Note: The phone number may or may not be traceable by itself. To catch the bastard, you need to find a HOT SOUNDING girl to seduce him over the phone and arrange to meet up with him for a "good time". You then go there and beat the snot out of him and retrieve your phone. Or even better, you go there with cops to slammer him.
That sucks, I'd be lost without my G1
So my friend is giving me her old G1 since she got a new phone and it is basically sitting in her glove compartment. She has T-Mobile I have AT&T.
I am on a family plan with no data plan and my parents went so far as to put a data block on all the phones. I read a few sites and I heard from one that once the phone is unlocked it is a one time deal, if this is true this may be good for me.
A) Since my friends phone is obviously unlocked since it was hers and she used it, if I put my ATT sim card in (she's not gonna factory reset), will it work? What would I have to do
Since I dont have a data plan and my parents blocked all data (internet, not messaging) but I have Wifi, can i tell my friend before she mails me her G1 to enable wifi?
B) Since I don't plan on getting wifi anytime soon, this would be good no? Ofcourse if question A is correct that I wouldn't have to unlock it and activate it.
Ba) If question A is fail, could i still activate the phone via my wifi on the gmail account set up?
So those are all the questions I have, I would like to know what I should do when i get the phone in anycase because I would really like to use it, and i plan to use the wifi feature instead of paying for a data plan since my town has a lot of free wifi hotspots!
Let me know!!!
- Joey
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If the phone is up to date, it should allow you to skip the account sync process (which is one reason data is required). That way it should allow you to get into the phone and activate wifi yourself.
Of course it wouldn't hurt to have you friend do it for you. Convenience and all.
you meant to say "Since I don't plan on getting data anytime soon..." right?
If she doesn't factory reset, you can add multiple accounts on a single G1 through settings. So give that a go too. The main thing is, that before donut, it was mandatory to sync over data service to activate your phone on a fresh G1. So you should be ok.
Hey Innovated,
Shouldn't have any issues doing that. If you pop in the SIM card, the phone will first say Emergency Calls Only. You have to go into Settings, Wireless Controls, Mobile Networks, then Network Operators and select AT&T.
If it pops up with an unlock code screen, then you need to purchase an unlock code. eBay is usually good, around $5.
After that, everything will work. As you don't have a data plan, and have a data block in place, there's no need to enter new APN details.
As for wifi, you can turn it on or off as you want. To turn on and off, click Settings, Wireless Controls, Enable WiFi.
Hope this helps!
-XBrav
Wow thank you so much for both of your fast replies! This will help so much and hopefully it is as easy as you say! I can't wait to have this cool phone!
My friend wants to know if it can still work if she can factory reset it, and add my gmail account to activate it before mailing me the phone... Would that still be the same as what she 'WAS' going to do in my first description?
As far as I know that can work. What the sync does is add your contacts, and allow the phone to sync with your google account. With 1.6 and higher, android allows you to skip the step, but it should be possible if she does it for you.
Worst comes to worse, you factory reset and hit "skip" . So yup. hope that helps.
even if im ATT and she's Tmobile?
If I buy a used G1 on ebay, can my neighbor just put her sim card in it without any web plan? She has a regular voice and text plan on T-Mobile with a cracker jack nokia flip phone and it's a hassle for her to send and receive texts. I figured she can get a phone with a keyboard and make her life easier.
Does she have to turn anything off so she doesn't get charged for web service?
without a data plan its gonna be hard to get past the activiation screen.
all she would need to do is
get a sim with someone who has data,
go through the setup creating her own gmail account
then when she;s at the home screen power off and swap sims again.
she wont have internet but the basics will work!
I have an iPhone on T-Mobile with data. So I can use my sim and put it in her G1 and where do I find the next steps in activating everything?
no sim = unpassable NO SIM screen.
sim without data = activation/learn how to use screen, cant continue after wanting to create gmail account
sim with data = get to step above but it will create the account and allow you through to the home screen.
so yes, as long as the sim has data, she should be ale to activate.
just remember to tell her that the phone is much more fun with data ;D
Thanks. Once I get her to see how much fun and easier to use a smart phone is I'm sure she'll eventually get a data plan.
actually I think the only way to get pass it is with a android data plan, Im not sure of the other data plans t-mobile has.
But I have had my G1 for a year w/o data.I got 5MB of free data when I bought it so you can try it even though your getting it used.I still had this problem when I was rooting it though because I had to log-in without the data.I did by going through the adb shell or something its kind of difficult.
Maybe someone else can give you more information
Ok I got it and I installed the sim card from my iPhone. I went through the activation process and I created a generic gmail account and have been using the G1 for the last 30 minutes. Have it also working through the wifi at home too.
Now I have to install her sim to see what happens.
Download APN droid so that her phone doesn't connect to data services. They will charge her per MB if she doesn't.
I got pretty good at modifying the iPhone and next week I have to learn the EVO. I hope what I learn with this G1 I can use with the EVO later!
I went into MARKET on the G1 and searched APN and all I got was APN Italy and APN Movilphone. Where do I get APN DROID and how do I install it?
The app's name is "APNdroid" by martin adamek. It's in the market.
I must be doing something wrong. I'm going into the market and searching for APNdroid and it keeps telling me
There are no matches in Android Market for the search : APNdroid
Do I have to be rooted or jailbroken or is it another Market not the one on the stock G1 ? Do I have to do it while connected on the cellphone or can I do it over wifi?
I'm not an idiot, I mean how hard is it to do a search, but this is making me nuts!!
OK Now I know what happened. I've been playing with the G1 since yesterday but for some reason today it decided to update its version. It asked if I wanted to update it and I said yes. Apparently the previous owner had never updated it. I now have a way prettier and more modern looking Market and it found the app quickly when I searched for it.
I installed the app and it's working great. I knew I couldn't be that dumb!
Thanks a lot for your patience.
Hey all ...
I just got my WP7 stolen :-(
I tried to use the tools we have with hotmail to locate, close etc our phones.
And you know what ?
I just discovered that they all use text messages to send the commands to your phone with your phone number !!!
And of course if the thief take off your sim card then you are f*cked up.
So I have been digging around to see if there are more serious solutions and found some much better application on Windows Mobile 6 or Android for example that can detect if you change the sim card, send messages, autolock and such ....
Anyone know if that kind of application exist on WP7 ?
Actually I'm wrong ....
Looks like it can also use push messages directly from hotmail to your phone.
By default that's what it tries, but if your phone isnt logued on on the hotmail push service (or something like that) then hotmail ask you for your phone number and try to lock it with a SMS. And of course if the thief changed your SIM it wont works.
But if i get it right, if the thief change the SIM card and turn your phone on with a full internet data access and let your phone log on on your hotmail account then it receive a push message that will lock it.
I'm not sure exactly how it works, specialy now because I have bought another HD2 and Flashed it exactly like my previous one, so on my hotmail account there's 2 phones and I there's some mixed stuff happening ... ( Makes me think of I ll create another temporary account to use my new phone til I give up on trying to lock my stolen one)
I tried to call Microsoft Hotline, talked with a guy for 20 minuts, he tried to get more info on how it is working exactly and called me back the next day but he couldnt get much more detailed explanations ...
I tried to check on the web but I can t get anything else than just the regular documentation saying how to lock or map your phone ...
the problem is that almost anyone could quite easily get around this, unless the thief is a complete numpty there is little that can be done.
There was some fantastic progams on WM that could be built in to the ROM, so short of flashing a new ROM, it would always report home on what ever SIM card was inplace.
With the tools we have, you have probably got a window of abut an hour before it will be reset, airport moded sim removed or reflashed, after than, unless they are stupid, is a gonna. In saying all of that, even the location tool is mostly useless, unless you catch them going home, once they are in the house it uses network triangulation, which depending on where they live could give you 200 houses to check! inshort, the second you know its gone, find a PC and lock and locate it.
Dont forget to get pictures of the IMIE and serial numbers pus any identifiable marks, even finding it is useless unless you can prove its yours.
as for WP7, there is nothing available yet, i doubt there would be anything useful in the near future either.
I know only antitheif which is only work for 6.5.