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iPhone Craze.... Not here

I don't get it. Why so many people want to make their WM phones looks like iPhone?
When directly compare WM phones and iPhone (let's leave Linux, Symbian, Palm and Blackberry out of this for now), the majority of serious Smart Phone/ PDA Phone users out there would say WM is better, can do more. So, what is the idea of making WM phones look and act like iPhone. Don't get me wrong, All the developers in this forum making software such as Slide2Unlock and iContact are great, they have proved the superiority of WM phone.
I like my WM phone, it is great. And, I will never make it looks like iPhone. For you people want to make your WM looks like iPhone, why don't you just go get an iPhone and stop make people say WM phone is poor men's alternative to iPhone. I'd say iPhone is the dumb people's alternative to WM phone.

That is very true. the iphone is the dumb people phone, but it is still a very very neat phone. I will eventually end up getting one just because of the wow and neat factor. One thing also is that it is good that apple released a phone like this because now a benchmark is set and i know over time htc will exceed that mark with great products. I love my pocket pc's and will not give it up for an iphone. But we must also admit that it is a neat phone to mess around with.

CameoTabby said:
I don't get it. Why so many people want to make their WM phones looks like iPhone?
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You are absolutly right. I don't understand them too, and i love my Windows Mobile phone and my usefull today screen. Its funny to read that, because yesterday i wrote an blog-entry about that ;-)

I tend to agree. Apple have got great marketing though - You cannot deny them that. It's shiny, got whistles and bells and i-tunes. Of course people are going to buy it.
I'll stick with my wm device though. Sure I have to overclock the little sucker to get it to operate at a reasonable pace, but I can do with it as I please. I've learnt a lot about my device, software, registry etc . . . How are you gonna get that experience from an i_phone?? (it depends what you want out of a phone i suppose)
I think it may well be like the first time I got my hands on a N95. I was going to get one. . . . then ten minutes later the novelty had worn off (and the battery was pretty worn out too and I resigned myself to the fact that I like my wm5.
I think the i_phone craze is here for now, but a few months after launch here (and Europe) and the honeymoon period will be over and it will just be the latest phone, only to be shortly superceded by the 'next big thing'.
Respect to the people making some of the apps that appear on the i_phone OS and sorting them for wm use. That gives our community even more potential for their devices. Without the developers our wm devices would be no better than all the other phones out there.
i_phone, love it or hate it, you can't deny it's going to eclipse all other mobile releases for some time.
(I think I am going to go and dig out my old 5110, that'll show them in the office tomorrow!)
Rant over.

I disagree.
It's not for many people a matter of good or bad design, it's a competition.
How perfect can we simulate iPhone-Apps, how perfect can we design the UI.
That are the interesting things for many of us.
The same story as Windows Vista arrived. How many of us had before "green gras" as TodayScreen, because it's so beautiful?
No, it's a battle of ideas, a competition. For many users...

which is more towards status symbol
iphone or Jasjam?

CameoTabby said:
I don't get it. Why so many people want to make their WM phones looks like iPhone?
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Because we all know that WM phones are FAR superior in terms of tech specs and features to the iphone, but are inferior in terms of an interface/eye candy.
So we want the best of both worlds. An iPhone interface on a powerful WM phone.
Is that really such a bad thing?

"iphone or Jasjam?"
dont think status symbols are that general
i mean if you ask really rich people
something like this
http://www.shinyshiny.tv/2007/06/gold_and_diamon.html
would be a status symbol
if you ask a evil genius a vulcano island with henchmen in stick spandex uniforms maybe more soo
if pda nut Jasjam
if your a fasion statement phone user maybe iphone..

There's only one reason iPhone is so popular: marketing. iPhone even has been an item on the the 8o clock news on television (netherlands). Was HTC's P3300 on the news? NO, but it can do 10x more things than the iphone can! It has GPS, word, push email etc. etc.
Publicity makes publicity: the iphone is so populair because it is so populair. In short: this is a hype. Just like the iPod is a hype. Before there was the iPod, there were dozens of MP3 players who could all the things the iPod could do years later. Many people THINK the iPod is something special and can do things no other device can do: for example, the term 'Podcasting'. The 'Pod' suggests it can only can be done on a iPod, so n00bs buy a iPod to play podcasts.
It's just marketing that does the trick, the more people talk about it, the more people want it.
Nonetheless, the iPhone looks very good. The build quality is very good and the device is easy to understand. And important: its stable. WM5 isn't very stable and difficult to operate. My sister who's 23 isn't able to use my phone, too complicated she says wm5 is for (semi)nerds

thanks Rudegar
nice website

NxJay said:
Because we all know that WM phones are FAR superior in terms of tech specs and features to the iphone, but are inferior in terms of an interface/eye candy.
So we want the best of both worlds. An iPhone interface on a powerful WM phone.
Is that really such a bad thing?
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iPhone interface is not superior at all. There are tons launcher apps, today plug-ins for WM out there that can do much better, and many of them are freewares. What I don't get is that most people putting iPhone look alike interface on their WM phones for a simple reason: making other think they have iPhones. I really feel sorry for those people.
I always think WM phones users are intelligent people, but many among us are doing dumb thing to degrade oneself.
Yesterday was a very good day for me. A couple co-workers were showing off their brand new iPhones. After making comparisons to my 8-month-old WM phone. They became the joke of the office and one actually returned the iPhone back and placed an order for a WM phone.

The fun thing is that the only way your average WM device has better specs than the iPhone is that many of them support 3G now.
The iPhone has a 614MHz processor and some serious video horsepower as well. The limitations of the iPhone lie almost wholly in the virtual keyboard and the 3rd-party dev lockout -- both of which are artifacts of software.

CameoTabby said:
I don't get it. Why so many people want to make their WM phones looks like iPhone?
When directly compare WM phones and iPhone (let's leave Linux, Symbian, Palm and Blackberry out of this for now), the majority of serious Smart Phone/ PDA Phone users out there would say WM is better, can do more. So, what is the idea of making WM phones look and act like iPhone. Don't get me wrong, All the developers in this forum making software such as Slide2Unlock and iContact are great, they have proved the superiority of WM phone.
I like my WM phone, it is great. And, I will never make it looks like iPhone. For you people want to make your WM looks like iPhone, why don't you just go get an iPhone and stop make people say WM phone is poor men's alternative to iPhone. I'd say iPhone is the dumb people's alternative to WM phone.
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It's not necessarily that people want to make their WM phone look like an iPhone, but more that there is a real desire for a fingertip interface for WM devices.

iphone is glossy. It catches the eye. It has a fun UI to play with. WM is more customizable. Alot more programs to use and have fun with. But seriously, which UI seems more fun to play with? I want to just play with an IPhone for a few days. I know after day 2 or 3, than I would care less what phone I have. Just like my MDA. Why else do I keep reflashing and resetting it up? so I don't get bored of it. LOL!

I think the iPhone has got a fancy interface but it hasn't got the features of WM and it has got a real cool factor but in useability it is WM every time.

imho then
wm vs. iphone
is much like
pc vs. console
1 is very spc'd to do what it was made to do
and not possible to customize much
it's fancy and makes people look and works out of the box
the other is very customizeable and got piles of software
one can make ones own software jack of all trades master of non
support addon hardware and is allways revolving
got a steeper learning curve and can scare n00bs away
imho it's a pretty fair comparison

Reminds me of those pity skinners that love to skin their Winblows machine as a mac (which looks f*gly anyway).
I have to agree with the thread starter. There is no point making your phone look an iPhone. Trust me , it sucks and its a waste of resources and time (It hogs up the System RAM). So for me , I'll stick with the current WM UI (Although I f***ing hate WM ..don't get me wrong guys...But I have no choice but to go with WM Devices as Palm is still left behind in the 20th Century world and Symbian isn't a OS at all [Its a joke])
When you come and think about it , sure WM devices beats hands off. But then will you get the cool X-factor (that is the superb UI and design + the OS of the iPhone - no)
Summary :-
If you want a True Smartphone/PDA Phone - WM Device
If you want a fashion gadget + MP3 Player - iPhone
If you want a phone - Nokia 3310

wm5 ..the one...& iPhone..
eii
i´m a wm lover, and you now why?? just because y can look to iphone and say,,,,ei man, this application is soo good, the work in iphone is in another direction..more user friendly play groud intertainement...and you ask!! soo..why do you like wm...just simple..because if i like some application on wm...i just install them on my wm5 device...and unisntall if i need...that´s simple..soo simple...wm5 is the one...iphone is very good job...soo if i ant ...just install..he..he...is a small part os wm5

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There's only one reason iPhone is so popular: marketing. iPhone even has been an item on the the 8o clock news on television (netherlands). Was HTC's P3300 on the news? NO, but it can do 10x more things than the iphone can! It has GPS, word, push email etc. etc.
Publicity makes publicity: the iphone is so populair because it is so populair. In short: this is a hype. Just like the iPod is a hype. Before there was the iPod, there were dozens of MP3 players who could all the things the iPod could do years later. Many people THINK the iPod is something special and can do things no other device can do: for example, the term 'Podcasting'. The 'Pod' suggests it can only can be done on a iPod, so n00bs buy a iPod to play podcasts.
It's just marketing that does the trick, the more people talk about it, the more people want it.
Nonetheless, the iPhone looks very good. The build quality is very good and the device is easy to understand. And important: its stable. WM5 isn't very stable and difficult to operate. My sister who's 23 isn't able to use my phone, too complicated she says wm5 is for (semi)nerds
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i totally agree with you, another comparison:
i have a creative zen vision m, all my friends ask me why not buy a ipod and sometimes they make comparision jokes about my mp4 player. But this creative vision has far more specs, it has customized menus and a far more beautiful screen, the only thing it hasnt is the scroll wheel, but who cares.
As Pumba here just said its what people know, they will buy, i bet that after the launch of the iphone there will be many people who never heard about WM but of the iphone yes!
I like the iphone only for its design, im only 16 so im still into all that fashion stuff, so i try to get my WM as sexy as the iphone, enough said?
thank you

Ok I've had it with the iCrap... really...
http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Apples_iPhone_Tops_All_Other_Smart_Phones_in_the_US_08310.html
"Apple’s iPhone Tops All Other Smart Phones in the US" seems to be the title of this article. Granted, a filler article, but how much longer are we going to endure the stupidity of these reports? And can someone tell me what exactly makes the iCrap a smartphone?

windows mobile 6.1 the Suck

Is it me or is windows mobile the worst phone OS on the planet?
And the upgrade to v6.1 is actually WORSE. My power settings always reset, its real difficult to use mp3 as ringtones, the UI just sucks all over the place in so many ways. The java/midlet/IE install process is totally broken. Meh!
What do they smoke up in Redmond? Its called "**** software bud".

rocken7 said:
Is it me or is windows mobile the worst phone OS on the planet?
And the upgrade to v6.1 is actually WORSE. My power settings always reset, its real difficult to use mp3 as ringtones, the UI just sucks all over the place in so many ways. The java/midlet/IE install process is totally broken. Meh!
What do they smoke up in Redmond? Its called "**** software bud".
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Yep....it's you.....and guess what....nobody is forcing you to buy a Windows Mobile device.....so either "suck" it up and learn how to use it, or buy something else.

Really. Mine is amazing! (SGH-I780) No problems with power settings. Maybe it is your unit.

bmo.alt said:
Really. Mine is amazing! (SGH-I780) No problems with power settings. Maybe it is your unit.
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so true. 6.1 is rock solid. TomTom picks up satellites signal a lot faster. Better battery life.

Yeah, mine is great also. Maybe it is a user problem?

I tell ya what, I've spent time with Palm, which isn't too bad but isn't WM, I've spent time with the Iphone, and let me tell you something, you have to ****ing install openssh on it to be able to ftp to the phone so that you can copy over any file that isn't a song or a pic. (I'm sure I could add a few commas in there) I've also used Symbian phone, which is like palm.. Hands down, right here right now, non come close to WM and what it can do and what you can do with it.
OP the Suck

I bought it b/c it was the least bad of the bunch. And also plan on whiping it with android if that day comes around fully.
I can hack on earth, wind, and fire but better systems allow me to intermediate that. MS just gets in the way, they really need a whole new UI injection.

It is so easy to bash M$.
My opinion, and that's all any of us have, is that Windows Mobile is the best mobile OS out there. It allows me to do a lot more with my phone than any other OS.

I think doofus had seconds on his retard sandwich today.... what an idiot.

rocken7 said:
I bought it b/c it was the least bad of the bunch. And also plan on whiping it with android if that day comes around fully.
I can hack on earth, wind, and fire but better systems allow me to intermediate that. MS just gets in the way, they really need a whole new UI injection.
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First it was the "worst phone OS on the planet" and now it's the "least bad of the bunch".....so which is it?.....the worst, or the best(least bad)? Seriously....your credibility is going downhill every time you open your mouth.....which isn't too great considering you didn't start with any.

Sorry valt, didn't mean to fire up the flame bait. I think AOL chat is still open for business ...

i think that as just an operating system in general WM is kinda crap... but one has to understand that it is mobile os and compared o the rest of the mobile os's its the best i was just nieve in buying this thinking/ hearing WINDOWS and not the mobile part so much...my only quip tho, is that since this is windows MOBILE the mobile functions should be better than that on a normal phone (not a hinderance on performace, i mean this thing has a dedicated phone processor and seperate media proc. right? i think on the msm7xxx series they did not properly implement them or something..)... some mobile phone functions are really good on WM but other like the complexities you have to go through to do normal stuff sometimes.... oh well

I heard they are completely revamping the windows UI stuff in wm7 + 8 but that is not coming out until 2010 which is saaad.

Dude I have been using WM based mobiles since 2003 and I think WM is by far the best OS in the market, its been built for advanced users or people with fair knowledge of computing, if you think it is too much for you to handle why dont you buy a regular handset like NOKIA 3310 or if you think you are advanced enough get one of those crapy symbian mobiles.....

rocken7 said:
Is it me or is windows mobile the worst phone OS on the planet?
And the upgrade to v6.1 is actually WORSE. My power settings always reset, its real difficult to use mp3 as ringtones, the UI just sucks all over the place in so many ways. The java/midlet/IE install process is totally broken. Meh!
What do they smoke up in Redmond? Its called "**** software bud".
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Go buy full power interface iphone....
Dumbass.

Valtamr said:
First it was the "worst phone OS on the planet" and now it's the "least bad of the bunch".....so which is it?.....the worst, or the best(least bad)? Seriously....your credibility is going downhill every time you open your mouth.....which isn't too great considering you didn't start with any.
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Wait just a minuet Your giving this guy "Credibility" you must be feeling kind today. I to wondered how he got the "Least bad of the bunch" and still had the worst phone on the Planet. Maybe he should try another retail store with a larger selection! Or maybe he just a bit hard to please! Well I could not live with out my tilt as I felt the same about my Hearms, and when I can hide enough funds away from the warden to get a Diamond, I will feel the same about that. I guess I like the platform or maybe I am easy to please. One thing if I didn't like a Rom I would find a group of Developers ,Join their forum, learn how to cook and flash my own custom roms and create what ever I wanted. Hey wait a minuet that's what I did! Maybe Rocken7 should join XDA go to WiKi learn how to flash find a rom he is Happy with and stop making these silly post, but that's not what he did. Now this is not a burn although Rocken7 you have walked into a room with a bulls eye on you back and said "BURN ME"! with the comment you posted! so beware! We are watching! It might just be that you are a tad to critical! I am sure we have everything you need to make your device what you need it to be. Hope you can make the best of what you got! Good Luck!
Ed...

It's as simple as what you want your phone to do and what you're able to do with it. So many people rant and rave about Wm devices on these forums, which are really designed to educate, illuminate, and progress our devices. People who ***** about there new device probably should not have purchased it in the first place! Would I recommend a Hermes, kaiser or diamond to my Dad, Mom or Grandma? Depends if you are wearing Depends. Or to my buddy that's been using a Razr for the past 3 years? They would look like a monkey trying to open a coconut. Two of my best friends just got the Lg Vu and don't even know how to log onto the basic medianet. It's funny how everyone I've caught using a Kaiser "Tilt"; they always tell me how much they hate it and I laugh inside; It's simply not the phone for you; simple as that

I love mine, but I love fiddling with things
There's no way on earth I'd recommend one to anyone who's just after a phone, because (out-of-the-box) it's awful.
I enjoy the customisation aspects of mine. But there are still some 'phone' aspects which I feel are seriously lacking. The fun (for me) is finding stuff to make it work the way I want it to.

Windows mobile is a great operating system, functionality wise, but its interface sucks.
I run PointUI on my phone, which means I can access most features and functions very quickly using just my thumb, without the horrible WM interface. With this, most functions would be easy to use even for a n00b with no WM experience.
The fact that I can run PointUI on WM, or Throttle launcher, or SPB mobile shell, or a number of other options, is what makes WM so great - it can be made to do what people want. Still would have been better if Microsoft had focused on the UI from the beginning.
The great functionality of WM does not necessitate a terrible interface. It will be interesting to see what happens with WM7 & newer versions now Microsoft has to focus on the UI thanks to Apple & others leading the way.

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The great functionality of WM does not necessitate a terrible interface. It will be interesting to see what happens with WM7 & newer versions now Microsoft has to focus on the UI thanks to Apple & others leading the way.
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Exactly ! WM6.1 is a lot better than 6.0 and most of all 5 ... let's focus on the future and the juicy stuff Apple brings us.

Which mobile system will you choose next time?

Which mobile system will you choose next time?
We'll see which system is the most future-oriented

hummm im the 1st to vote and post
android for me.....from now on!

mmmmm...
Perhpas later Android once it gets a more mature and solid OS, but for now and mybe 2 or 3 years I´ll stick with WM, waiting that wm7 really can be something with quality

my android is on the UPS Shipment as we speak so Android for now

I'm keeping WM

Android has a lot of possibility and it's an interesting SO: in future I'll see it but to now I stay with WM.
D'rath

WM (WM7 as next) althought Im all about entertainment and Iphone (MacOSX) would be much more suited for it - I dont like apple that much to spend money for it (only if someone would give me a iphone a s a present!! ) or get MacOSX on HTC Touch HD

i'll stick to winmo for sure..

winmo for now, but i'll stick to android after i got qwerty slider keyboard

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winmo for now, but i'll stick to android after i got qwerty slider keyboard
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erm, doesent it already got one?

Same as always, Windows Mobile for my business phone
iPhone for my play phone.

Ather said:
erm, doesent it already got one?
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i got this nike as a gift, and i couldnt choose the one i liked LOL
i'd like to have left/right sliding keyboard like touch pro, uni, etc

wld take sometime to upgrade for me ( faster if my elf goes crack), i'd probably go for Android unless WM7 does wonders!

I haven't been able to put my iPhone down since I got it, sticking with it.

Probably Android with either Moblin or WM as future candidates.

For me WM when it comes out the HTC Leo will be my next phone
Wifes has a iphone 3G already (which is jailbroken and unlocked for different carrier) and at first its a novelty then after a while the novelty wears off and its me who is stuck with the crappy itunes software for putting her music on it, itunes is the main reason i would never have an iphone myself I hate it.

Android as of now. We'll see what WM7 is like when it appears.

You really should have added an option 'I don't know!' as im in that one. No networks in the UK really support the TD2 and TP2 so hmm, still looking towards the hero but i don;t know if ill miss the tweaking and playing around on wimo is the only thing.
atm no vote from me as ive been like this for the last month!

Windows Mobile for me

WM
I'm a fan of WM from HTC (the best for the PPC). Waiting for the phone with foldable screen ... the rest we passed.

Windows Phone 7 will forbid things like Sense UI/ TouchFlo /TouchWiz

I read this on a German page. Original source is on Chinese. What do you think about it. For me that means either the UI of WP7 will be bomb or Windows Phone will vanish completely. Think also that HTC will move over to Android or stuff like that when they cannot use their good UI with long tradition.

I think that it's too early to know if these things are true or not.
I don't think Microsoft will just kick in the butt all those developments like HTC TF3D which is their very serious partner right? And I personally think Panels are great development too.
But honestly I hope so much they will never follow Apple route
and leave it open, bacause it's one of the WM powers.
It's rather a question how well Microsoft will react to the situation and how
well will fight with Android increasing popularity.

i think they will keep it similar to the way things work now. ms will re-design all the menus etc and how everything works. they will also have there own flashy ui, but there will be a option to turn it off like 6.5, this will leave it open to companies like htc and samsung that like adding there own ui's.
i do believe that microsoft will add more rules to what can be changed/modded (like other os have) so that everything runs well and looks good.

I actually understand Chinese, so I actually did understand the source link.
First paragraph was about the mentioned closure of external UI development, and the 2nd was basically speculating that since HTC loves Android, HTC and Microsoft 'alliance' of sorts is gone.

rickysio said:
I actually understand Chinese, so I actually did understand the source link.
First paragraph was about the mentioned closure of external UI development, and the 2nd was basically speculating that since HTC loves Android, HTC and Microsoft 'alliance' of sorts is gone.
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Fair enough - more than sufficient to convince me not to bother adopting WinMo7
The only real change since WM2003 was in WM5, where the flash storage became non-volatile. Everything else since has been mostly tinsel-town.
Even the addition of the GID (GPS Intermediate Driver) killed some of the useful but older GPS programs which became unable to connect to the GPS

Speculations - these are only speculations.

as there is wm7 code in the new versions of htc sense i think they are talking rubbish as htc and other wm phone companies must know what the deal is by now.

HTC would rupture a blood vessel if they couldn't stick Manilla on anything WinMo 7.

A few days with my HD7

Just a mini review of my HD7 after 4 days use. Coming from an HD2 (with 6.5.5 & Android) and having had mobiles since the classic was the only phone on Cellnet you could get I've used most!
However the HD7 being a first version has it's issues. A couple I have noticed are just stupid - others annoying.
I won't go over how it looks or the tiles or anything like that; this is just my experience of the device as a "phone".
Call quality seems ok - but the moment you get a border line signal you're stuffed. Incoming call audio is fine they just cannot hear you at all. Nothing Nada! You need to get a bar on the signal meter or you've no hope of being heard. My 5800 & HD2 both hang on to a cell signal much longer than the HD7 does.
Phone book is nice however it has a trend to dial the last person called rather than the entry you want - especially if you've gone from call history to the phone book - I don't know how many times I phoned my mum recently (but I am sorry for being a phone pest!!). Again this seems to be a version 1 issues.
But my biggest two grips are that how do you save an email attachment? We've all got things on our phones we want to transfer - Nokia do a lovely app to BT all your old goodies to your new phone - please other phone people take note!
So emailed myself the file(s) I needed - they appear in the email - but no way to save them - I can open the media - just not save it! Great. No "right" finger or "hold" finger menu in email application.
OK then - lets BT the files over ... turn BT on - let's pair with the HD2 and get some files from it. Nope cannot pair with the HD2 in Android or WM6 - says "paired" but unable to connect. Fine. Let's try another way with BT push - nope - paired cannot connect... Bleeeeewwwhhh.
So there does not seem to be anyway to get something from someone on the move sent to your phone. Cannot save attachments and cannot pair with other phones to BT files. Maybe a v1 issue again?
Not too sure on the HD7 at the moment - the wow is nice and yes the interface seems to be working as expected. However loose a data connection and you cannot open the people hub until you restart the device for some odd reason after loading Facebook contacts, and worst still "Lists" no longer works and gives a message about a DLL missing. Great, cannot find a way to un-install it or re-install it. The only menu option is "share" which does not help much really.
I am going to see if there is anything on line about the issues it seems to have. But so far - yes good phone - but WP7 needs some work. Maybe a quick update is needed here Microsoft? HTC seem to have done well getting the units out - not sure if anyone else is seeing similar?
Oh and I would really like a some menus to give some more control over the phone! You criticise WM6.5 for not being very finger friendly - but at least you have some options to change! Where are they hidden in 7 LOL!
So far hardware 10/10 but OS? 2 maybe 3 /10.
Oh and HTC you're being bloody cheap not sending out your top of the range phone with out a sleeve to keep it in, the HD2 has a lovely sleeve and that has saved it many a time - the HD7 I had to spend another £15.00 ($20) on a bumper to keep it safe as no one has the sleeves yet!
So far my HD2 is with me the HD7 is at home - not sure yet if I can rely on it 24/7 as my primary phone.
I would not go as far as to say it is poor - WP7 that is - but I am for one not impressed considering that people must have tried at least once to BT each other something?

You are missing the point of this phone. While I agree on some of your good points (but few) this is supposed to be the Zune phone , the equivalent of the iPhone, basically an eye-candy multimedia-device which should also do basic comunication in a fast and easy way. I also came a long way over the years playing with Symbian & WM 5-6.5 and I loved all the tweeking and extra customization you had BUT to be honest I got bored with it.
As years passed I saw mobile phones becoming the substituent of the PC but also a substiuent of its problems.Just look at the past 2-3 years. Now we have discussions about freckin RAM and GHz when the whole point of the phone was JUST to run smooth and work fine ,not to mention the fact that battery development has been left with the same batteries from 2006 or so.
Basically it just got stucked.I was freckin tired of walking in a mobile shop and seing a bunch of touchscreen with a zillion icons as wallpaper.
Where was the excitement of actually buying a phone for having something new?
That was the main reason since I never bought a touchscreen phone and I have sticked with my (g)old E71 for the time being.
Android is IMO a laggy joke. Yes , it's still lagy and that is why I didn't buy a high-end smartphone untill now , the HD7.
I don't want to pay 400 euros for a laggy interface.
It's been 3 years already since the iPhone and it has still been the fastest OS with no lag until WP7.
Why my view may be a little off-topic I think this was the main idea of the WP7.Getting ridd of those "Really?!" moments.
I want a phone in 2010 which runs fast,smoooth and adds the basic customization(it's where WP7 currently lacks but it's not terrible).
For I-can't-find-my-sfnag.dll-complaiment people should buy/use their laptops
I hope WP7 rises as remembers this "high-end competition" what the purpose of a (multimedia) phone really is

I think yly3 has a point - one of the main features of WM7 (for better or worse) was the increased reliance on cloud storage. Maybe this was why most of the phones we're seeing are only 8Gb.
I think anyone coming from WM6.5 expecting WP7 to be an incremental upgrade, including existing functionality is likely to be disappointed.
What I foresee is mainly 3rd party apps making use of an opened up Bluetooth stack to gain access to your skydrive as if it were local storage. Similarly, having the option to save email attachments to your skydrive would be neat (I believe .docs can be saved)
For me, this is either genius, or a disaster - if you're away from a signal, your files are inaccessible, which is frustrating. That said, I'm rarely away from a signal these days, so maybe it's a non-issue.
Time will tell.

I have been using my HD7 for 2 weeks now, I love it and hate it at the same time. I love it for its smooth, flawless and simple user interface, but hate cause its just too simple... I know and expected that this was a locked up phone before I bought it but.. even some basic functions that I was used to doing on my HD2 was missing. Functions like sending files thru BT from my phone to any BT device. Even some basic configuration like adjusting the volume of the ringer is not clear on configuration page. its just a toggle on/off and not to mention that i can't use custom ringtones? I loved using custom mp3 for ringtones.. cause in a crowded place.. I would now that my phone was the one ringing. And just like steve said...the phone didn't come with a nice leather pouch to keep it safe, for a pricy phone like this. I just wish they would improve wp7 much sooner so I could enjoy using this phone more and get my money's worth.

The first update is due early 2011, so don't get your hopes up for ANY updates untill then. Rumours are that Copy/paste, BT, & Camera are all big factors in the first update.
I can't really complain after a solid 3 weeks of owning the phone. Yes there are a few niggles, but it's MUCH better than Iphones OS v1 was. So looking good imo.
Also all the comments i've seen on this thread appear to be on WP7, not the HD7 itself. Slightly confusing by the Thread title.

well thats good news i don't mind the wait.. but i hope they do fix it with the update... but those are for WP7. the comment i have for the device itself (with HTC HD7) is that it didnt came with a pouch like my HD2, as all new phones ...it will take time here before i could buy a protective sleeve or rubber whatever. i just hope i don't drop or scratch it with my coins and keys in my pocket. also the camera button is hard to press... wish there was configuration where i could use the touch sensitive keys to take a picture. and speaking of wich.. the search key (bing key) really bugs me. i kept miss touching it for no reason.. and bing keeps getting in my way even when i'm playing games

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the comment i have for the device itself (with HTC HD7) is that it didnt came with a pouch like my HD2, as all new phones ...
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I've always been of the opinion that if a phone needs a case, it's a badly designed phone.

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the search key (bing key) really bugs me. i kept miss touching it for no reason.. and bing keeps getting in my way even when i'm playing games
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My first purchase was Need for Speed, and the number of times I've been about to complete a circut, only to nudge the 'serach' button, which kicks me out of the race and I need to start again, is a real pain in the 'a**'.
It would be great if this button could be disabled while gaming, it's just too sensative and close to where you need to hold the phone....

Don't get me wrong @poopilot I do like the phone but the omission of a simple sleeve for the phone smacks of cheapness. And anything with a screen this large needs some protection in a pocket or on the desk, all to easy to scratch.
And yes the thread title @Audio could be more specific - but these are my view of WP7 on an HD7 - so it is pretty on topic for HD7 General. The comments would be the same for WP7 for all devices as they are all the same. I am just saying that it is a shame for something so late in the game that all the i & t's were not dotted and crossed before we got our hands on it.
And to @yly3 - your analagy is flawed. If Windows 7 is the succesor to Vista in the way WM7 is to 6.5 - how would you feel if Windows 7 had no control panel, you could not save locally and the only network you could use was Microsofts? I am pretty darn sure you'ld feel agrived. But say if I don't want to share pictures on skydrive - I want to BT or MMS or Twitter or Facebook I want to choose - I don't want to be limited to a single option.
If you play with a Desire you get loads of options for most things - hell I cannot even change the MMS picture size! LOL! Bring on regedit that's all I can say! I must be crazy but you cannot see MS's usability labs having an iphone 1 and thinking "this is all people need, they wont cut and paste or want to do anything other than gaze at the UI"! If you are going to call a phone a smartphone it does in fact need to be smart. Not average.

I see what you mean but again this was named Windows Phone 7 , not Windows Mobile 7 and Microsoft stated many times it's something new , build completely from zero.
The main problem of WP7 would be, as you pointed, the lack of choice. Honestly, I don't know how many really use copy-paste. I don't know if I barely used it 4-5 times the last couple of years but that's just me not the whole world. And I am very surprised people still use MMS.
This is also a strategy to have your product upgraded and keep interest in it just like Apple has done it in the last years.
Maybe I am over-excited for finally having something new and fresh offered and according to the constant praise and support of Steve Ballmer this platform will get more updates than we have seen on any other mobile OS so far (it is Microsoft after all) thus having the first update 2 months after the release date.
So, basically I won't go further and maybe I don't have a strong argument against what you said but what I tend to see in nowadays reviews is that most of the people don't seem to get the whole picture and analyze a new phone only by checking their personal list of must-have features (again , agreeing that most of them really are a must).

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Don't get me wrong @poopilot I do like the phone but the omission of a simple sleeve for the phone smacks of cheapness. And anything with a screen this large needs some protection in a pocket or on the desk, all to easy to scratch.
And yes the thread title @Audio could be more specific - but these are my view of WP7 on an HD7 - so it is pretty on topic for HD7 General. The comments would be the same for WP7 for all devices as they are all the same. I am just saying that it is a shame for something so late in the game that all the i & t's were not dotted and crossed before we got our hands on it.
And to @yly3 - your analagy is flawed. If Windows 7 is the succesor to Vista in the way WM7 is to 6.5 - how would you feel if Windows 7 had no control panel, you could not save locally and the only network you could use was Microsofts? I am pretty darn sure you'ld feel agrived. But say if I don't want to share pictures on skydrive - I want to BT or MMS or Twitter or Facebook I want to choose - I don't want to be limited to a single option.
If you play with a Desire you get loads of options for most things - hell I cannot even change the MMS picture size! LOL! Bring on regedit that's all I can say! I must be crazy but you cannot see MS's usability labs having an iphone 1 and thinking "this is all people need, they wont cut and paste or want to do anything other than gaze at the UI"! If you are going to call a phone a smartphone it does in fact need to be smart. Not average.
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There are definitely things that are missing, no question, but I think they've got it right for a first release. If they waited to get everything done then we'd never see the OS. It's completely different to Android, and indeed WM6.5 I'm pretty sure I'm right in saying that WM6.5 will be continued alongside WP7. I like the fact that it's all simple to use (and I'm a tech head). Sure it can occasionally be irritating where I want to get into the bluetooth settings for example to configure it more closely, but ultimately I can completely understand why they've done it. All you have to do is go in and turn it on, then choose a device to pair with. It involves very few steps which was exactly the spec for this OS.
I'm sure that in time there will be options to configure things more closely, but they will be hidden away so that you have to consciously choose to go into the advanced settings. Android was real fun for a while, something different, but I actually think that it's far too techy. After a while I got bored of everything being a bit clunky and hidden behind too many menus etc... To use everyday, it's just not that usable, not when you compare it to something like WP7.
I'm really looking forward to writing some apps for WP7 as I think it provides a different challenge - to make your app consistent with the UI and make it as user-friendly as possible. I think the possibilities are massive with WP7, and as long as MS really commits to it, rolls out regular updates to keep on improving the UI - crucially without breaking what it already does - then it could be a huge hit.

Steve_Walker totally agreed with you. WM6.5 has something different but with looking at WP7 ???
I am asking myself why should i get a wp7 phone instead of iphone? And the only reason i can find is 4.3" display .
Microsoft really needs to think clearly and understand they must make something different not a ios kind os.
MS will going to loose much

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Steve_Walker totally agreed with you. WM6.5 has something different but with looking at WP7 ???
I am asking myself why should i get a wp7 phone instead of iphone? And the only reason i can find is 4.3" display .
Microsoft really needs to think clearly and understand they must make something different not a ios kind os.
MS will going to loose much
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1) The media player is alot better.
2) Zune Pass.
3) WP7 is alot faster than any iPhone. My entire family has 3GSs and iPhone 4s and they will even admit my phone is alot faster to do anything. I havent even turned my lag fixed Vibrant on this I got this HD7 also.
4) App intergeneration. WP7 really does take this to a different level.
You'd be a fool to say WP7 doesnt have its flaws and bugs, but you'd also be a fool to ignore everything GREAT it does. Android does alot of things well but is anything great? iOS does some great things, but honestly I prefer WP7 over iOS.

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1) The media player is alot better.
2) Zune Pass.
3) WP7 is alot faster than any iPhone. My entire family has 3GSs and iPhone 4s and they will even admit my phone is alot faster to do anything. I havent even turned my lag fixed Vibrant on this I got this HD7 also.
4) App intergeneration. WP7 really does take this to a different level.
You'd be a fool to say WP7 doesnt have its flaws and bugs, but you'd also be a fool to ignore everything GREAT it does. Android does alot of things well but is anything great? iOS does some great things, but honestly I prefer WP7 over iOS.
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1) OK
2) I dont care about zune pass
3) That is about hardware not wp7
4) So what? How many wp7 apps out there?
Sorry but as we see you have strong feelings on wp7 and want to defend it too much but even you cant write more then 4 not meaning too much advantages. Because even MS designed it to be a is imitation.
I had hope on wp7 was thinking to sell my hd2 and buy a hd7 because ios and iphone is not a phone for me (dont like them), Android is just what you said does alot of thing but not anything great. But WP7 is worse then both at least for now. Because MS just looked ios and android and copy them with removing all the good features on wm6.5 all the good features i prefer a wm6.5 phone over iphone that is nonsense. most of the users may not care about this but i care.

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3) That is about hardware not wp7
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iPhone 4 has better hardware! A4 is better than Snapdragon, and iPhone 4 has dedicated GPU - PowerVGR 535! which is faster than Adreno!
iPhone 3Gs also has dedicated PowerVGR GPU, but don't which model exactly!
So, it's not hadware! it's the OS

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iPhone 4 has better hardware! A4 is better than Snapdragon, and iPhone 4 has dedicated GPU - PowerVGR 535! which is faster than Adreno!
iPhone 3Gs also has dedicated PowerVGR GPU, but don't which model exactly!
So, it's not hadware! it's the OS
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i am not comparing iphone vs hd7 hardware. i am saying that with suitable hardware every os can be fast.

kromosto said:
1) OK
2) I dont care about zune pass
3) That is about hardware not wp7
4) So what? How many wp7 apps out there?
Sorry but as we see you have strong feelings on wp7 and want to defend it too much but even you cant write more then 4 not meaning too much advantages. Because even MS designed it to be a is imitation.
I had hope on wp7 was thinking to sell my hd2 and buy a hd7 because ios and iphone is not a phone for me (dont like them), Android is just what you said does alot of thing but not anything great. But WP7 is worse then both at least for now. Because MS just looked ios and android and copy them with removing all the good features on wm6.5 all the good features i prefer a wm6.5 phone over iphone that is nonsense. most of the users may not care about this but i care.
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You might not care about Zune Pass but for anyone who wanted an mp3 player / phone this is the biggest selling factor. In fact I'd say zune integration is the best thing WP7 has going for it right now.
I am not really defending it that much also. Look my profile and see the last thread I made. I clearly pointed several huge glaring flaws in WP7. In that same thread I said more than 4 good things about it also. Before calling someone out, look at their previous posts; especially when trying to call out their position on things .
Here is a link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=835095
WP7 is missing features 6.5 had but that was a matured and dying (dead now) OS, this is a completely new start. I am not over critical of it becasue i knew going in it was a first iteration OS. And for a first iteration OS it is far better than what iOS and android were. It actually does some things far better than them right now too. It has flaws, but ignoring strength and focusing only on flaws is wrong in my opinion.
I am also confused about your position on the speed of WP7. First you say its the hardware, which android and the iphone 4 have better hardware, and then you say its the OS and that backs up the statement i originally made. The OS is optimized to be faster than both iOS and android. That is a HUGE plus for WP7. It's doing more with less, don't over look that.
Again let me repeat my statement, it does have limitations but everything it does, it does the best. More features will be added with updates.

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i am not comparing iphone vs hd7 hardware. i am saying that with suitable hardware every os can be fast.
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LMAO
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About speed i am saying that every os can be very fast with suitable hardware. Think like this a wp7 phone with nokia n61 hardware can it be fast ofcourse no. is this wp7s fault ofcourse not so as you cant blame an os for not suitable hardware also you cant say os is good because it runs good on suitable hardware.
also i agree with you about wp7 being a new os and 6.5 is dying but why not use 6.5s good features on a new starting os from the beginning. They are the things which you did better then ios and android so ms should glorify them with using them in the new os.
this is my idea ofcourse i dont except everyone or even anyone to agree with me. wm6.5 with htc sense and cht nearly got all i need. some more social network integration with a really working pptp vpn is all i need with my current setup.

kromosto said:
About speed i am saying that every os can be very fast with suitable hardware. Think like this a wp7 phone with nokia n61 hardware can it be fast ofcourse no. is this wp7s fault ofcourse not so as you cant blame an os for not suitable hardware also you cant say os is good because it runs good on suitable hardware.
also i agree with you about wp7 being a new os and 6.5 is dying but why not use 6.5s good features on a new starting os from the beginning. They are the things which you did better then ios and android so ms should glorify them with using them in the new os.
this is my idea ofcourse i dont except everyone or even anyone to agree with me. wm6.5 with htc sense and cht nearly got all i need. some more social network integration with a really working pptp vpn is all i need with my current setup.
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Because 6.5 and 7 are built on completely different platforms. You can not just pull features from 6.5 and put them in 7 because the programming language is different.
6.5 was good for its time, but do you know the main reason why I hear why people do not want to buy WP7 phones? All the headaches they got from 6.5 devices...
WM left a bad taste in ALOT of peoples mouths and that is still showing in WP7. Yes 6.5 might of been good for some but for most it was complete and utter crap.
Will alot of these features eventually be built into WP7 if enough people want them? I think so, but they will be built and coded to meet WP7's standards.