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I know this question has been asked like a bajabber 2395293 millions times.
But my point is, is losing official OTA updates from Google worth the rooting?
EG: When Flash 10.xx arrives and the Nexus lands some major updates, what are the chances that rooted users get screwed over?
Considering that OTA updates get incorporated into custom ROMs anyway (and usually before they're officially out), it's not like you will be missing out on anything.
This is best asked in Q&A. It all comes down to personal preference. We can't tell you what you should do.
chowlala said:
I know this question has been asked like a bajabber 2395293 millions times.
But my point is, is losing official OTA updates from Google worth the rooting?
EG: When Flash 10.xx arrives and the Nexus lands some major updates, what are the chances that rooted users get screwed over?
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maybe you should first post in the correct sub-forum?
and we dont lose any good things that come from those updates. Our beloved chefs will cook them right in along with their own nice extras.
All OTA updates will be in our custom ROMS.
All your OTAs are belong to us.
Heh. Oops. My bad. Sorry for posting in the wrong section. 2am and I've been boggling it over and over bout rooting vs official ota updates. And also about security issues. Not sure if rooting makes the N1 more vulnerable or not...
Mod: Please move this to appropriate section, thanks. =)
Best choice I ever made was rooting. It has made my phone 100 times for fun!
i don't see the point of rooting at this point
the only benefit i see is storing apps to SD
cupojoe said:
i don't see the point of rooting at this point
the only benefit i see is storing apps to SD
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I'm sure you've done all your research, considering this is your first post and you joined this month....
Rooting opens you up to Undervolting to save battery, Tethering, Apps unavailable to non-rooted devices, some really great themes, and more... To say that A2SD is the only benefit is rather insulting to our faithful Devs...
Heck... My main reason to root was to leave behind the look of the stock N1. It's a great device and all, but the UI certainly looks better w/ a lil' NexTheme 1.9 action.
Oh yeah... And Rooting lets you show off your phone via SS's. That's always quite enjoyable imo.
cupojoe said:
i don't see the point of rooting at this point
the only benefit i see is storing apps to SD
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What exactly will you see as a "point".. honestly trackball colors, and Desire ROMs are enough to convince me to root. Along with unlocking the extra RAM.. and then other benefits that are included with root access. Such as themes, overclocking, and what not, there already seems to be enough reasons to become a superuser.
Just root it already, unless it's above you tech level; then don't. My nexus is a beast running Cyanogen's latest mod, you may be skeptical about claims that the phone can perform snappier, but it's all true and after experiencing the light I will and can never go back to a stock rom. Not to mention the added functionality, trackball colors and frequent new updates and modifications. You know what to do .
Do it....... Dooooooo ittttttttt!!!!!!!!!!
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What exactly will you see as a "point".. honestly trackball colors, and Desire ROMs are enough to convince me to root. Along with unlocking the extra RAM.. and then other benefits that are included with root access. Such as themes, overclocking, and what not, there already seems to be enough reasons to become a superuser.
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Good call! Forgot all about the Trackball... Can't use Desire due to fail Bluetooth in the car... But I'm happy enough on Stock Launcher w/ CM5041. Extra RAM as well..
People who don't root, seriously don't know what they're missing. And it'll only get better.
And heck... What's the negative? Oh no?!!? Warranty issues. I'll take the extra fun n games for that risk.
Hehe. I already rooted like 10 mins after asking this question. But everyone who rooted is right.
There's so much more monsterifficness beneath the stock. Almost as if Google already knew how extreme it would be and deliberately tempted us to root by setting it below maximum potential.
Can't wait to see what the Nexus can continue to do with awesome the awesome modders here!! =)
I'm waiting for the next OTA update before I start playing around with root and ROMS. Customization looks fun but I want to see what performance increases Google can bring after updating to the new kernel for full RAM (hopefully they do this next update anyway). Probably won't be any different than what's out now, but the only thing that I'd really want is HTC music and Modaco's mod is still in the alpha stages.
Rooting is definately a good move, but it is not for everyone, i would suggest against people egging others on to root. Rather, direct them to the available information on the benefits and dangers of rooting, and let them decide.
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I'm waiting for the next OTA update before I start playing around with root and ROMS. Customization looks fun but I want to see what performance increases Google can bring after updating to the new kernel for full RAM (hopefully they do this next update anyway). Probably won't be any different than what's out now, but the only thing that I'd really want is HTC music and Modaco's mod is still in the alpha stages.
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Uh... most custom ROMs now run on .32 or .33 kernels. As in, more RAM. Loooots of RAM. (I have about 191 MB free on a fresh boot, etc.) Paul's Desire ROM is only still in alpha because bluetooth doesn't quite work, but otherwise it's very functional and pretty well-optimized.
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Uh... most custom ROMs now run on .32 or .33 kernels. As in, more RAM. Loooots of RAM. (I have about 191 MB free on a fresh boot, etc.) Paul's Desire ROM is only still in alpha because bluetooth doesn't quite work, but otherwise it's very functional and pretty well-optimized.
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I know that current custom ROMs already have a big performance boost (RAM) from the current stock. I believe that ROMs also have .apks that are optimized and probably a bit zippier than unmodified ones. I only meant that if the next OTA with the new kernel gives enough of a performance boost, then custom ROMs won't be for me (until much later in the game anyway).
Whats stopping me are the touchscreen issues,,, no one can still definitively say if it's HW or SW. I need to retain the option to send it in for a warranty swap if it gets worse.
Hi guys Im new to this thread and I've been reading the whole treads for like 3 days and for some reason im getting confused about the pros and cons so I just want to ask if my understanding about the froyo leak flash with odin3 is correct. If there is something else that i forgot to mention that is really important please remind me before i flash my new captivate
PRos:
1. flash 10.1 on browser
2. JIt compliler
3. no need to root the phone
4. can save apps on sd card
5. GPs more accurate
6. can still be root
Cons:
1. unlocked code from 2.1 eclair to use other sim will not work anymore
2. IMEI number will change and impossible to retrived unless you send them back to samsung?
3. no more android keyboard
4. void the warranty?
5. updating through OTA will not work anymore after reverting from froyo 2.2 leak to the stock 2.1 eclair by using odin3
6. after flashing couple of times from reverting to eclair to froyo will ban you from andriod market and the phone will state that there is no sim even if there is one inserted
7. lag issues
This is my first time to have an android phone so im totally noob and no idea yet and a little scared of making mistake. Also if i root my phone will i be able to unroot it again in case i want to return back the phone to at&t? Thank you in advance
Are your pros supposed to be compared to 2.1?
"no need to root"? There was not a need a root 2.1 either - or the same reasons existed, so i don't follow this.
The way i see it, 2.2 gives you access to 2.2 only apps in the store. Not much else. It is 2.2, yes, but there is not a lot more functionality. I do want it, but I can wait for official build.
BTW, there are built in tether apps - no longer in 2.1 JH7. That could be a pro.
Cons:
How about bugs and work arounds. It is stable, but Google groups and Exchange groups don't work. Samsung email client is broken when replying, etc. There is a pretty good list.
I will wait for the next build from Samsung, but that is me.
If your a "basic" user such I am (no exchange support needed) and just do the basic tweet/fb/browse for porn (erm?)/ play music/txt etc... I think you would be fine.
But.. if your not comfortable flashing ROM's and realize that your going to be voiding your warranty as soon as you do. Then don't do it and wait for OTA.
And I can't imagine that the OTA would be any better or feature rich then Cognition's 2.2.X beta.
Btw.... you listed
"3. no more android keyboard"
DG added it into the latest build.
CON: ATT address book doesnt work.
PRO: better battery life.
Pro: Cognition any version
Con: You won't get anything done because you're playing with your phone too much!
sinichi21 said:
6. after flashing couple of times from reverting to eclair to froyo will ban you from andriod market and the phone will state that there is no sim even if there is one inserted
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Is there anyone that can elaborate a little bit? That kind of scares me
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Is there anyone that can elaborate a little bit? That kind of scares me
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I have not heard of this problem before. I will do some checking on it but sounds like he is a noob that is looking into anything that can possibly go wrong. Also sounds like whoever originally posted that problem most likely had no idea what they were doing and flashed 2.2 wrong even though I do not know how that is possible. I have flashed back and forth since SRE and have done so for each Cog build to keep current. Phone works amazingly, GPS is flawless and is the fastest phone I have ever owned. Go Cognition!!
sinichi21 said:
Hi guys Im new to this thread and I've been reading the whole treads for like 3 days and for some reason im getting confused about the pros and cons so I just want to ask if my understanding about the froyo leak flash with odin3 is correct. If there is something else that i forgot to mention that is really important please remind me before i flash my new captivate
PRos:
1. flash 10.1 on browser
2. JIt compliler
3. no need to root the phone
4. can save apps on sd card
5. GPs more accurate
6. can still be root
Cons:
1. unlocked code from 2.1 eclair to use other sim will not work anymore
2. IMEI number will change and impossible to retrived unless you send them back to samsung?
3. no more android keyboard
4. void the warranty?
5. updating through OTA will not work anymore after reverting from froyo 2.2 leak to the stock 2.1 eclair by using odin3
6. after flashing couple of times from reverting to eclair to froyo will ban you from andriod market and the phone will state that there is no sim even if there is one inserted
7. lag issues
This is my first time to have an android phone so im totally noob and no idea yet and a little scared of making mistake. Also if i root my phone will i be able to unroot it again in case i want to return back the phone to at&t? Thank you in advance
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DON'T DO IT!!!! wait for the Official release, this is a leaked..aka stolen version of froyo, you will void your warrenty. If you still want to do it after what i said keep in mind that when the Official release of froyo comes out and ATT wants to do an over the air (OTA) update, the ATT server will not recognize your phones firmware any more so you won't be able to get the update of the leagle version of froyo. This leaked...or stolen version is full of glitches don't download it.
ok seriously, its not going to void your warranty if u revert back to stock using the easy 1 click restore by odin...ive sent mine back once i was running cognition 2.2 and they had no problem exchanging it. the leaked version is NOT NOT NOT NOT full of glitches, it works perfectly and i have yet to find a problem with it! so dont talk here unless u knwo what u are talking about buddy
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ok seriously, its not going to void your warranty if u revert back to stock using the easy 1 click restore by odin...ive sent mine back once i was running cognition 2.2 and they had no problem exchanging it. the leaked version is NOT NOT NOT NOT full of glitches, it works perfectly and i have yet to find a problem with it! so dont talk here unless u knwo what u are talking about buddy
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Number 1 im not your buddy sir...number two it is glitch ridden and thats been posted all over the internet. As well as an att bulletin that was release...maybe you need to do a little more studying "buster". Check out the ATT bulletin and it will advise as well as other xda-developers not to install as this is not the final version but it is a stolen version and as with all stolen merchandise there are issues once recieved by the poor sucker who bought it. Once you down load this froyo stolen version 80% of the android market will not recognize your phone so apps that you had previously won't be available anymore. And yes as quoted by ATT this will void your warranty so download at your own risk "Pal"
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Number 1 im not your buddy sir...number two it is glitch ridden and thats been posted all over the internet. As well as an att bulletin that was release...maybe you need to do a little more studying "buster". Check out the ATT bulletin and it will advise as well as other xda-developers not to install as this is not the final version but it is a stolen version and as with all stolen merchandise there are issues once recieved by the poor sucker who bought it. Once you down load this froyo stolen version 80% of the android market will not recognize your phone so apps that you had previously won't be available anymore. And yes as quoted by ATT this will void your warranty so download at your own risk "Pal"
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you, 'SIR', are a plethora of misinformation....i love reading your posts. keep up the entertaining posts!
Pirateghost said:
you, 'SIR', are a plethora of misinformation....i love reading your posts. keep up the entertaining posts!
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And you "Young Lady" are and plethora of misleading post as well.
stewart2568 said:
And you "Young Lady" are and plethora of misleading post as well.
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i am offended that you would call me a young lady. thank you for your moronic ability to be a douche.
i am waiting for your classic 'your mom' one-liners.
stewart2568 said:
Number 1 im not your buddy sir...number two it is glitch ridden and thats been posted all over the internet. As well as an att bulletin that was release...maybe you need to do a little more studying "buster". Check out the ATT bulletin and it will advise as well as other xda-developers not to install as this is not the final version but it is a stolen version and as with all stolen merchandise there are issues once recieved by the poor sucker who bought it. Once you down load this froyo stolen version 80% of the android market will not recognize your phone so apps that you had previously won't be available anymore. And yes as quoted by ATT this will void your warranty so download at your own risk "Pal"
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I've been using 2.2 since like a couple days it was released. * touchwood* so far all I noticed is that my battery performance is better. I don't even know what "glitches" u r talking about.
Before u say some software is glitchy, please be specific atleast for a few of them. And an FYI, not having android keyboard is not a glitch.
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I got my first Captivate right on the 2nd day of its release. I exchanged it for another in 2 weeks due to battery issues. I rooted, n then flashed back to stock and returned. No question of warranty loss if you know how to revert back to stock.
stewart2568 said:
DON'T DO IT!!!! wait for the Official release, this is a leaked..aka stolen version of froyo, you will void your warrenty. If you still want to do it after what i said keep in mind that when the Official release of froyo comes out and ATT wants to do an over the air (OTA) update, the ATT server will not recognize your phones firmware any more so you won't be able to get the update of the leagle version of froyo. This leaked...or stolen version is full of glitches don't download it.
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ahaha wow this is seriously entertaining! Hopefully you continue as i needed a good laugh today.
I have been on the froyo LEAK since the day after it popped up and it has been much more stable than any version of eclair EVER was. This is the whole point of xda....you can go hang out with all the newbs at androidforums or something and preach about how dangerous it is and stick with eclair.
you have no clue if it is stolen. How do you know samsung didn't release this on purpose to get feedback?? I would never listen to a word ATT says they are a joke. Its people like you that need to just keep their mouth shut you obviously have yet to flash so how can you preach about how it is 'full of glitches' haha.
oh and its really hard to odin back to stock to get the official update.
I did not know that 80% of the market is not supposed to recognize my phone any more. Somebody should let the market know. Maybe now that I know 89% of the market is not supposed to work it will now quit working. Oh no! as I am typing this 93% of the market just disappeared from my cappy!
And by the way, if I get caught with stolen software in my possession - i'm turning all of you all in!
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I did not know that 80% of the market is not supposed to recognize my phone any more. Somebody should let the market know. Maybe now that I know 89% of the market is not supposed to work it will now quit working. Oh no! as I am typing this 93% of the market just disappeared from my cappy!
And by the way, if I get caught with stolen software in my possession - i'm turning all of you all in!
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60% of the time, it works everytime
Pirateghost said:
60% of the time, it works everytime
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Sex Panther - that stuff is not even legal in the U.S.!!!
dayv said:
I did not know that 80% of the market is not supposed to recognize my phone any more. Somebody should let the market know. Maybe now that I know 89% of the market is not supposed to work it will now quit working. Oh no! as I am typing this 93% of the market just disappeared from my cappy!
And by the way, if I get caught with stolen software in my possession - i'm turning all of you all in!
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It's a leaked rom, which means that someone decided to release this...why are so many people interested in having their phones flashed back to eclair if this leaked rom is so much better? I don't understand...If I own a ford and decide to buy a toyota and it's a much better car...why would i go back to a ford? That's moving backwards right?
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It's a leaked rom, which means that someone decided to release this...why are so many people interested in having their phones flashed back to eclair if this leaked rom is so much better? I don't understand...If I own a ford and decide to buy a toyota and it's a much better car...why would i go back to a ford? That's moving backwards right?
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id definatly buy a ford over a toyota right now. toyota is overrated and ford is moving up. really drive one before you speak.
ok froyo has market issues right now do to presumably the android id. it has many new gui features and is much faster and in my experiance better battery life. so if you cant deal with the market errors wait for an official release. that is why many are going back. that and some of us are addicted to flashing our phones every 48 hours.
So I'm going to try my hand at rooting the newest Sprint release, and I had an idea:
If I install one of our stock rooted roms, use titanium to get all of my apps and such back, couldnt i then just update ota and keep my stuff?
In theory, this would work, but then again theory isn't always the best thing to go by.
Thanks in advanced for any and all help.
Not sure what you are trying to do. But, why would you want the update? Anything specific in the update that makes you go back after rooting?
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Not sure what you are trying to do. But, why would you want the update? Anything specific in the update that makes you go back after rooting?
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Giving Sprint another shot to amaze me. Supposed to be some changes in it so maybe it will be worth staying stock with root.
And I'm trying to figure out if I update OTA from a rooted stock rom to the newest release, will it delete my apps and data or just break root and such?
mdhscanes24 said:
Giving Sprint another shot to amaze me. Supposed to be some changes in it so maybe it will be worth staying stock with root.
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Hmm... but, if you are on 2.2, I don't think anything 2.1 would amaze you... .
mdhscanes24 said:
And I'm trying to figure out if I update OTA from a rooted stock rom to the newest release, will it delete my apps and data or just break root and such?
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Unless it is a major update, usually the apps are not deleted. However, based on whatever I have read so far, you are sure to lose root. Again, I have not tried it... but, more often than not that's why they send out these releases.
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Hmm... but, if you are on 2.2, I don't think anything 2.1 would amaze you... .
Unless it is a major update, usually the apps are not deleted. However, based on whatever I have read so far, you are sure to lose root. Again, I have not tried it... but, more often than not that's why they send out these releases.
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Instead of the official I found NFX's rooted version. 10 minutes on that and I was about to break that slow being that I used to love. I was thoroughly unimpressed with Sprint.
How is it we have Devs who can port froyo and such, make them run stupid fast and a hell of a lot smoother than Sprint's team? Seriously some of our guys should be applying cause they could easily make sprint better.
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Instead of the official I found NFX's rooted version. 10 minutes on that and I was about to break that slow being that I used to love. I was thoroughly unimpressed with Sprint.
How is it we have Devs who can port froyo and such, make them run stupid fast and a hell of a lot smoother than Sprint's team? Seriously some of our guys should be applying cause they could easily make sprint better.
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Yeah... well, you know, that's just the way it is
Its not so much the sprint software as it is them putting the sense software on a phone that couldnt handle it. Sense runs great on the EVO, bigger processor and more RAM
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Its not so much the sprint software as it is them putting the sense software on a phone that couldnt handle it. Sense runs great on the EVO, bigger processor and more RAM
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Actually, even on an EVO, sense isn't all that fast/great IMO
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Its not so much the sprint software as it is them putting the sense software on a phone that couldnt handle it. Sense runs great on the EVO, bigger processor and more RAM
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I kind of disagree with that statement. If it were Sense in itself, we wouldn't have such smooth running Sense roms here. IMO it is all due to sprint having to dip their hand into everything to do with the phone.
Anyways, to stay on topic, carrying apps over from a rooted rom, to an OTA update is still all hypothetical, with absolutely no proof of concept. If i had access to a more stable internet signal, I would throw my ideas to work, but this is not the case.
Hello xda. I've been a big selfish user of the stuff provided here for a while, as have many. I own an XPERIA X8 and it's the best phone I've ever owned (ehem.. perhaps because it's the first smartphone I've ever owned). I just wish it was a little better. I enjoyed the stock stuff for a while until my internal storage filled up too much, then I rooted and upgraded it to an easy to install Froyo ROM as it was my first time doing such things (as good as I am with programming PC's, I thought I would surely screw that up). It was great and had kept me happy for over a year, but I didn't realise how old Froyo was until I heard about Jellybean and 'Project Butter' and how it even outperforms old versions of Android. I've been limited in Froyo to relatively basic stuff anyway so I thought since I'd basically installed an android version only one step up from the stock Eclair, there'd be a lot of better versions out there.
This is where my nightmare begun. Since I already had xRecovery, I thought the process would be as simple as "download rom, install in xRecovery". A bit too ambitious, I ended up "soft bricking" my phone and having to fix it by going back to Eclair. Then, somehow, I could not even root the damn thing under the guidance of any tutorial. It's like it suddenly caught an immunity. After ages of meddling I managed to do so and get to the next step. Then the problem occurred that Superuser wasn't kicking in and allowing anything root access. I also had problems getting a new kernel on the phone and ended up only managing to install some random kernels I wasn't even sure supported the rom I was trying to install. I had some more problems trying to install CWM and it was around then I noticed another occurring problem. Apparently for installation of Jellybean, I needed to unlock bootloader, which apparently can't be done on devices with a certain version of motherboard. Mine is 11W41. I heard that this sometimes doesn't matter depending on the specific version, but after all the problems and reading up how hard it would be to recover from a problem if it occurred. So after a long time not finding alternate solutions, I decided to go for something lower.
Ice Cream Sandwich apparently had a similar problem, but I didn't spend long looking (by that time it was really late at night and I just wanted to at least get rid of Eclair again). Eventually I installed Gingerbread, which managed to work well... the second time I tried. The first time I mucked something up and ended up going back to Eclair yet again. Well, now I at least have the GingerXperia Revolution V3 rom installed, but I'm still wondering if this is the best I can do according to the X8. So yeah, that's the rant of my nightmarish story, but this is, ehem, a Q&A... so my question is, before I get too settled with my current phone set-up, is there any better option for my phone? Have I misunderstood some things and I actually do have a way of updating my kernel in order to install a better rom? From a rom, I obviously just want a well-packed version of android (Froyo was way to simplistic, having very few options to improve the experience), which is fast and suitable for every day use. As a bonus I would like it to be swappable so I can increase the RAM with SD memory and increase internal storage size (even with the ability to move apps to the SD, the phone fills up way too fast). I'd be very surprised if I've managed to pick the best way to upgrade my phone.
I know this heavily depends on opinion, so I just want to hear it. If there is better things I can do to it, I could do with a point in the right direction!
i honestly read that long post. welcome to xda mate.
tbh, i haven't tried that particular rom yet. so i can't tell you rom is "better" (which is subjective, if you ask me), so i'll try to answer the other points in your post.
since you have a locked bootloader, we're limited to roms, apps, and tweaks. a different kernel would do wonders to your phone, but since that's out of the question i think the best way to go is how to improve performance using other methods. please note that whatever i write here is my opinion. other users may think differently.
apps: i use mounts2sd for swap and a better alternative to our native app2sd feature. greenify is another app that is getting great reviews, though i try to not use task killers as much as i can. if you're into mobile gaming chainfire 3d is another app you could use.
tweaks: crossbreeder and v6 supercharger. i've personally used (using CB right now) try them and see. remember to make a backup to be safe.
that's all i can think of in short notice. i'm sure there are others and you just need to look in xda more. also, try a couple of roms before you get settled on one.
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Hello xda. I've been a big selfish user of the stuff provided here for a while, as have many. I own an XPERIA X8 and it's the best phone I've ever owned (ehem.. perhaps because it's the first smartphone I've ever owned). I just wish it was a little better. I enjoyed the stock stuff for a while until my internal storage filled up too much, then I rooted and upgraded it to an easy to install Froyo ROM as it was my first time doing such things (as good as I am with programming PC's, I thought I would surely screw that up). It was great and had kept me happy for over a year, but I didn't realise how old Froyo was until I heard about Jellybean and 'Project Butter' and how it even outperforms old versions of Android. I've been limited in Froyo to relatively basic stuff anyway so I thought since I'd basically installed an android version only one step up from the stock Eclair, there'd be a lot of better versions out there.
This is where my nightmare begun. Since I already had xRecovery, I thought the process would be as simple as "download rom, install in xRecovery". A bit too ambitious, I ended up "soft bricking" my phone and having to fix it by going back to Eclair. Then, somehow, I could not even root the damn thing under the guidance of any tutorial. It's like it suddenly caught an immunity. After ages of meddling I managed to do so and get to the next step. Then the problem occurred that Superuser wasn't kicking in and allowing anything root access. I also had problems getting a new kernel on the phone and ended up only managing to install some random kernels I wasn't even sure supported the rom I was trying to install. I had some more problems trying to install CWM and it was around then I noticed another occurring problem. Apparently for installation of Jellybean, I needed to unlock bootloader, which apparently can't be done on devices with a certain version of motherboard. Mine is 11W41. I heard that this sometimes doesn't matter depending on the specific version, but after all the problems and reading up how hard it would be to recover from a problem if it occurred. So after a long time not finding alternate solutions, I decided to go for something lower.
Ice Cream Sandwich apparently had a similar problem, but I didn't spend long looking (by that time it was really late at night and I just wanted to at least get rid of Eclair again). Eventually I installed Gingerbread, which managed to work well... the second time I tried. The first time I mucked something up and ended up going back to Eclair yet again. Well, now I at least have the GingerXperia Revolution V3 rom installed, but I'm still wondering if this is the best I can do according to the X8. So yeah, that's the rant of my nightmarish story, but this is, ehem, a Q&A... so my question is, before I get too settled with my current phone set-up, is there any better option for my phone? Have I misunderstood some things and I actually do have a way of updating my kernel in order to install a better rom? From a rom, I obviously just want a well-packed version of android (Froyo was way to simplistic, having very few options to improve the experience), which is fast and suitable for every day use. As a bonus I would like it to be swappable so I can increase the RAM with SD memory and increase internal storage size (even with the ability to move apps to the SD, the phone fills up way too fast). I'd be very surprised if I've managed to pick the best way to upgrade my phone.
I know this heavily depends on opinion, so I just want to hear it. If there is better things I can do to it, I could do with a point in the right direction!
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why made you think that you needed to post that bolded part?
just read....read....read...the rom threads and use the search button
CnC-ROCK said:
why made you think that you needed to post that bolded part?
just read....read....read...the rom threads and use the search button
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Maybe I was feeling sociable and friendly and wanted to share my story? Why made you think that you needed to quote and bolden it?
And what do the threads and search functions have to do about anything? Im asking for help specific to my phone and what I've done to it, so unless you're gonna help I just dont see the logic in going into all this effort to reply to my topic. I mean really, don't bother, I'm not worth it...
@cascabel
Installed that mounts2sd but on launching it I got a message about root permissions not being granted. It's a common problem I'm noticing. Only some apps achieve root access. I think the problem might be to do with an outdated SU binary, but the topic for the ROM said not to update it after installing. I updated it beforehand but the ROM must have its own binaries or something.
Deji666 said:
Maybe I was feeling sociable and friendly and wanted to share my story? Why made you think that you needed to quote and bolden it?
And what do the threads and search functions have to do about anything? Im asking for help specific to my phone and what I've done to it, so unless you're gonna help I just dont see the logic in going into all this effort to reply to my topic. I mean really, don't bother, I'm not worth it...
@cascabel
Installed that mounts2sd but on launching it I got a message about root permissions not being granted. It's a common problem I'm noticing. Only some apps achieve root access. I think the problem might be to do with an outdated SU binary, but the topic for the ROM said not to update it after installing. I updated it beforehand but the ROM must have its own binaries or something.
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you asked for some help...but did you search or read other people's posts before that?
that was my point...:silly:
if you're using superuser, try switching to supersu. the update the binaries. it should work then :thumbup:
btw, i'm not sure but i think swap is only for custom kernels. my bad.
cascabel said:
if you're using superuser, try switching to supersu. the update the binaries. it should work then :thumbup:
btw, i'm not sure but i think swap is only for custom kernels. my bad.
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Yes, swap works only on custom kernel
work hard, play hard
CnC-ROCK said:
you asked for some help...but did you search or read other people's posts before that?
that was my point...:silly:
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Yes, asking for help, not info. The help would be specific to my phone, rom, lack of bootloader unlock etc
I did manage to flash a new kernel with flashtool but only certain ones work and im not sure why.
However I installed crossbreed as suggested and it was successful, so thats nice. I'll try some more suggestions later.
Hi all,
So my Nexus 4 arrived today and I'm umming and ahhing as to root or not.
I've heard all the good things about doing it but I'm interested in peoples rooting nightmares. What's gone wrong? When have you wanted to throw your phone out the window?
Look forward to reading!
noahdev said:
Hi all,
So my Nexus 4 arrived today and I'm umming and ahhing as to root or not.
I've heard all the good things about doing it but I'm interested in peoples rooting nightmares. What's gone wrong? When have you wanted to throw your phone out the window?
Look forward to reading!
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It really takes a tremendous effort to screw it up, it really does.
Cliff's Notes/summary, not an actual guide:
1. Learn to do it the old fashioned (and easiest way) by installing the drivers and using fastboot.
2. fastboot oem unlock
3. fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
4. flash your SU binaries zip
5. b00m!
CMNein said:
It really takes a tremendous effort to screw it up, it really does.
Cliff's Notes/summary, not an actual guide:
1. Learn to do it the old fashioned (and easiest way) by installing the drivers and using fastboot.
2. fastboot oem unlock
3. fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
4. flash your SU binaries zip
5. b00m!
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In that case I'll lower my requirements. Anyone done it and thought 'You know what, I prefer the stock experience.'?
noahdev said:
In that case I'll lower my requirements. Anyone done it and thought 'You know what, I prefer the stock experience.'?
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Yes actually. I thought rooting it was great and all, even went for custom kernels. The thing is, when you get all the updates that Google provides on a near instant basis, there is no need to root and rom your phone. Also, I feel like it doesn't provide too much extra for the experience. On a side note, when I had an HTC Sensation, I would root and rom just to get the newest and greatest from Google.
Your choice, but I like getting OTA's and don't run any SU apps.
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Yes actually. I thought rooting it was great and all, even went for custom kernels. The thing is, when you get all the updates that Google provides on a near instant basis, there is no need to root and rom your phone. Also, I feel like it doesn't provide too much extra for the experience. On a side note, when I had an HTC Sensation, I would root and rom just to get the newest and greatest from Google.
Your choice, but I like getting OTA's and don't run any SU apps.
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Rooting means you are:
- able to make nandroid and Titanium Backups
- run a good custom kernel for color and sound control, better batterylife and performance and lower cpu temperatures
- install adblockers and other usefull apps.
If these aren`t improvements i don`t know what is and you might as well buy an iPhone for stock xperience, just my 2 cents.
BTW: @OP: rooting nightmares only occur with mis and badly informed users.
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Rooting means you are:
- able to make nandroid and Titanium Backups
- run a good custom kernel for color and sound control, better batterylife and performance and lower cpu temperatures
- install adblockers and other usefull apps.
If these aren`t improvements i don`t know what is and you might as well buy an iPhone for stock xperience, just my 2 cents.
BTW: @OP: rooting nightmares only occur with mis and badly informed users.
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Yes, but I feel like I don't need them on my phone. I don't need to back up apps as I am not switching roms, I like getting the OTA updates, and I don't care about ads on mobile because I never see them anyway, either through paid apps or little browsing.
Drebin 894 said:
Yes, but I feel like I don't need them on my phone. I don't need to back up apps as I am not switching roms, I like getting the OTA updates, and I don't care about ads on mobile because I never see them anyway, either through paid apps or little browsing.
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Too each his own bro
I fully agree to each his own but if you do not see the advantages and personalization rooti g gives you then most likelyyou are the type tthat is satisfied with what you get. For me T9 calling alone is worth it, adjusting scree colors, raising the sound level,showing actual dBm signal strength, removal of all apps I don't want that were preloaded, darker ui experience. Now if you never try this then you wont miss it but its not lime you can't root it then unroot if you are not happy.
Bottom line updates will come the same day here whether rooted or not and these updates can also come with goodies...
Edit: Also lets be honest in a forum of 100.000's of members and rooter you will find maybe a few hundred or so that may have an issue and most of them I guarantee you was because of them not following directions properly. Thats what makes for rooting nightmares. Remember even non rooters from time to time have to restore their phones for one crazy reason or another. Now you have to restore back to 1 year ago when you first got the phone...SMH
I am having some trouble rooting and puting a custom recovery on my new Nexus 4, I unlocked the bootloader, and flashed the custom recovery through fastboot, but its not sticking, I don't know whats wrong.
UNless youir getting deadlocks letting your phone charge overnight, I would stay on stock.
CM is great, but there are just always broken things and bugs that will eventaully piss you off when you want to do something.
noahdev said:
Hi all,
What's gone wrong?
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Absolutely nothing, except for the very slight inconvenience of having to re-root or re-install TWRP after doing an Android operating system OTA update. Not only that, but I now have several "root only" apps that I needed, I have full access to the Linux command line programs which I use, and I am learning a lot about the Android OS lower level stuff. For me anyway, I really have no desire to install custom ROMS, as stock rooted Android does everything I want it to do.
There are stock based custom roms with CM type customization's... Again unless you have tried a stock customized rom with advancements you should not be judging. Also you don't have to use each cutsomization you can actually leave it stock and only use 1 or 2 custom items. Check out PSX 4.1 bone stock with a handful of customizations
There is really only one thing that annoys me about stock and that is the oversized Nav bottons. I just wished they made them smaller or gave us the otion to change the size. This is available on custom Roms and gives you more screen real-estate which definitley makes a difference.
That is one thing that keeps pulling me to custom Roms. I was running AOKP which seemed to run pretty good. I restored my phone back to stock because I thought I was having an issue with the notification light but then saw it just needed an app to make it work the way I was expecting it to.
So I have my phone rooted on stock 4.3 right now and I just wish I can make those Nav bars smaller! There are definitley cool features on some of the custom Roms though and it most certaintly can enhance your experience.
If ur not using the toolkit, then you should be.. If ur using and still manage to screw things, you should leave ur phone stock... The toolkits are already noob proof..
Connect phone to PC
Unlock boot loader
Root
Install recovery
Install ROM....
Its all 1 click each or some toolkits does it all in 1 click...
Rooted and running Paranoid Android + franco.kernel
my nightmare came from me going to fast... i missed a step and screwed up my phone...
i was able to get a stock image and reflash it, but it was a grueling 2 hours with a soft-bricked phone.
read all the stuff you can, and don't rush it.
Lucke said:
my nightmare came from me going to fast... i missed a step and screwed up my phone...
i was able to get a stock image and reflash it, but it was a grueling 2 hours with a soft-bricked phone.
read all the stuff you can, and don't rush it.
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Please don't take this the wrong way... but you being the only person with a real horror story is quite comforting!
noahdev said:
Please don't take this the wrong way... but you being the only person with a real horror story is quite comforting!
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no offense taken thats what i get for trying to root it while at work dealing with an Exchange upgrade
You can't really screw up a nexus device. It's not like Samsung where you hard flash the wrong version for the wrong phone and end up with a paperweight. If you mess up with nexus you can always return back
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My last nightmare with rooting was from htc desire hd, lots of bullcrap to be done, lots of s**t pre requisite..goldcard, emmc etc., ugh gives me headaches for days :/
Just use wugfresh toolkit and its a breeze
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