I know this has been touched on before, but I want to know if this is a widespread thing or what - since the official 6.1 update, my GPS has been really poor, particularly on a cold start. In fact, every time I use it feels like a cold start these days, even though Quick GPS is downloading data regularly and always shows 6+ days.
Every GPS app is the same - Tom Tom, GPS Test, Google Maps, Live Search - I can be waiting up to 10, 15, 20 minutes for a fix. The only time it's quicker is if I've used the GPS recently, and even that is a bit of a black art.
I like running the official ROM and I'm happy with the update in every other way, but the GPS problem is driving me up the wall - am I the only one? Is anyone running the proper ROM and not finding their GPS impaired?
The weird thing is, I can watch GPS test picking up two, three, four satellites but it just won't lock...
This is with the WWE 3.28 ROM with the 3.28 SPL loaded (fixing the freezes under Hard SPL v1)... what's going on?
Boinng said:
...snip snippity snip snip...
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Usually, I've found the GPS lock time is Radio Based. Maybe try a different Radio.
Boinng said:
I know this has been touched on before, but I want to know if this is a widespread thing or what - since the official 6.1 update, my GPS has been really poor, particularly on a cold start. snip...
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The only thing that is going to get me off the DEATH V3.5 ROM is a newer Rom by this same person.
The GPS is the best that I have ever had...
The phone signal is the best that I have ever had...
The GPS lock is about 30 seconds after TomTom starts...
The battery life is phenomenal - (it takes about 24 hours for the phone meter to register correctly) but I had 79 percent battery life left after using the phone all day yesterday at 11 pm last night (unplugged it at 6 AM).
Obviously - your carrier, your radio and ROM and where you are in the world can affect your signal greatly - but at this point - for me - the DEATH V3.5 ROM and radio rock and will stay on this phone as I LOVE having no phone issues.
HTH
Bill
Ok, maybe I've not been clear here - I'm not wanting to swap ROM stories or compare radios, I'm asking if anyone else is experiencing severe GPS problems with the stock ROM, and stock radio.
Anyone?
This isn't "which ROM/radio is best for GPS", it's "did the HTC ROM break your GPS?"
I have never looked at the official HTC ROM for comparison but I had the same thing after updating to certain ROM (non-official) the only way around it I found (other than replacing the phone) is another radio. Its not a problem with the ROM at all my good man just replace the radio and you should see a quicker lock time
I use radio 1.64.08.21 ang get a lock after approx 10-15 secs
Well If you are going to be snippy about it. Never mind. Forget I tried to help.
Though You may be hard pressed to find someone who is using the Stock ROM, I believe most people are wooed by the magic of Leo26, ConfusedStu, dutty, and the other Chefs out there.
So you wouldn't say that quoting my post back to me as "...snip snippity snip snip..." was being "snippy" in the first place?
I'm not trying to pick a fight here, I'm just interested in whether this is a common problem or not. I know GPS performance varies between radios, but with this new ROM & radio the difference is pretty shocking, and given that HTC are expecting the whole world to have installed it, I was surprised nobody else seemed to have noticed. You're probably right, nobody here kept it for long enough to find out apart from me, but I like my phone to be "stock". I guess this is my reward.
The answer probably is to try another radio, but it's a funny old situation.
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Ok, maybe I've not been clear here - I'm not wanting to swap ROM stories or compare radios, I'm asking if anyone else is experiencing severe GPS problems with the stock ROM, and stock radio.
Anyone?
This isn't "which ROM/radio is best for GPS", it's "did the HTC ROM break your GPS?"
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I'm using the new (WM6.1) stock ROM from HTC on my Tytn-II and haven't had any issues with GPS lock. I would say less than 30 seconds assumming it has a clear view of a good percentage of the sky. Fix time is the same whether I use TomTom, GPS Tuner, or the HTC-GPS Tool.
Ofcourse if I try and start-up GPS while indoors or in an area where buildings block more than 50% of the sky then the fix time can be much longer.
Boinng said:
I know this has been touched on before, but I want to know if this is a widespread thing or what - since the official 6.1 update, my GPS has been really poor, particularly on a cold start. In fact, every time I use it feels like a cold start these days, even though Quick GPS is downloading data regularly and always shows 6+ days.
Every GPS app is the same - Tom Tom, GPS Test, Google Maps, Live Search - I can be waiting up to 10, 15, 20 minutes for a fix. The only time it's quicker is if I've used the GPS recently, and even that is a bit of a black art.
I like running the official ROM and I'm happy with the update in every other way, but the GPS problem is driving me up the wall - am I the only one? Is anyone running the proper ROM and not finding their GPS impaired?
The weird thing is, I can watch GPS test picking up two, three, four satellites but it just won't lock...
This is with the WWE 3.28 ROM with the 3.28 SPL loaded (fixing the freezes under Hard SPL v1)... what's going on?
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I had the same problem after loading the 3.28 Hard-SPL. Reverted back to stock SPL and GPS is lightening fast.
Are you using the stock 3.28 SPL or the new 3.28 Hard-SPL?
Did you run Kaiser Tweak? if you did I would Hard Reset and try GPS test.
Got exactly the same problemwith the htc stock 6.1 rom. Nothin to do with hard spl etc as neve used it - phone has always been htc branded.
it appears that although quick gps data is downloaded, it is not used hence taking a long time as it needs to download the almanac data frim the satelites instead of quickgps. Ive emailed htc, but i have NEVER had a reply to any questions ive a ked in the past.
kavi said:
I had the same problem after loading the 3.28 Hard-SPL. Reverted back to stock SPL and GPS is lightening fast.
Are you using the stock 3.28 SPL or the new 3.28 Hard-SPL?
Did you run Kaiser Tweak? if you did I would Hard Reset and try GPS test.
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I'm on the stock SPL - my phone is Vodafone branded so I was originally using Hard SPL (with which I flashed the original stock HTC Rom) and then flashed the HTC 3.28 SPL after I found I had freezing issues with the 6.1 update. Haven't touched the new Hard 3.28, but from what you say it's obviously not going to help. I did wonder if the mystery fix in the 3.29 SPL might have something to do with the GPS, but if it's working fine for you on 3.28 who knows.
ardsar said:
Got exactly the same problemwith the htc stock 6.1 rom. Nothin to do with hard spl etc as neve used it - phone has always been htc branded.
it appears that although quick gps data is downloaded, it is not used hence taking a long time as it needs to download the almanac data frim the satelites instead of quickgps. Ive emailed htc, but i have NEVER had a reply to any questions ive a ked in the past.
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That's how it looks to me too - looking at the signal levels in GPS Test etc, it's not obviously a problem with the radio performance itself, which makes me doubt that changing the radio will actually help (while it will no doubt screw something else up).
I was just browsing through an interesting thread here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=292178 - on how Quick GPS works (or didn't work for a while) on the Artemis. There's some interesting stuff there about how all this is supposed to work.
I'm really suspecting that Quick GPS is broken in some way in the latest ROM. If it were working, then the phone should always have the almanac data and this should be visible in the settings screens in Tom Tom and other gps progs as satellites it's expecting to be there, but for me - unless I've had a very recent lock - it's always blank. In other words, the data isn't there, regardless of what Quick GPS is saying.
And a good question would be - where should the data be? Quick GPS itself is stored in the \windows folder, but there's no sign of the "packedephemeris.ee" file mentioned in the Artemis thread. Does anyone know where we should be able to find it on the Kaiser?
Another question is what server(s) should Quick GPS be downloading from - in my non-functioning Quick GPS, the settings in the registry are as follows:
HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\0\0\IP > xtra1.gpsonextra.net
HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\0\1\IP > xtra2.gpsonextra.net
HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\1\0\IP > xtra3.gpsonextra.net
HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\1\1\IP > xtra1.gpsonextra.net
HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\2\0\IP > xtra2.gpsonextra.net
HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\2\1\IP > xtra3.gpsonextra.net
The three servers (xtra1, xtra2, etc) are also listed under HKLM\\SOFTWARE\HTC\QuickGPS\SNTP as Server 1, Server 2, Server 3 - does anyone see anything different on there working model?
Im having the same problem,
Running Dutty's 6.1 Dual rom. Once the ROM had installed I noticed that QuickGPS didn't work straight off the bat. I suffered long GPS lock wait times. I found a QuickGPS cab file which fixed QuickGPS but my lock times don't seem to have improved. Via GPSTest I get 3-4 within sight straight away, but they sit on red for ages perhaps a few more satellites with appear but again they'll all sit on red. until about 15 mins passes, then finally a fix.
Im sure my GPS responded quicker than that in previous ROM's. at the moment its not really effecting me and im really not going to go through another ROM change again to test.
Im already on radio 1.64.08.21 which is supposed to be the best out there. tut.
no idea about hard spl and all that business, not really sure what y'going on about.
Would also like to find a fix for this, as i've tried a few different methods of fixing with no luck.
So it's not the radio, which ties in with my hunch that this is more to do with Quick GPS. But my Quick GPS registry settings match those I've found elsewhere, and I've found the data - it's an "xtra.bin" file in the Windows folder, which also matches reports from working installs. And I'm having no problem with the whole downloading process, that's happening in the background (through Activesync) just as it always was.
So is there something in the actual Rom (and presumably the base rom used by Dutty) which isn't picking up that data when utlising GPS?
Well I think I read a few posts on Dutty's Dual ROM thread about QuickGPS not working straight off, but its a long thread to plow through to find out. S its entirely possible there's a good reason.
Hmmm
well I proved to myself im not inherently lazy I did a bit of searching around and found this little gem of a thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=375172
it suggested that QuickGPS has a region setting in the registry
low and behold I checked my
HKLM\Software\HTC\QuickGPS\region
and it was set to US,
I changed this to say UK, I've not tested this but I think this might make a difference. I'll let you know whenI get the chance to play around on the way home from work. I usually try and get a fix on the 15 minute walk to my bus and dont get any fix at all, If all goes fine I'll be watching myself in Igo8 on the way home. Sad.
Hmm, fingers crossed for you, I just checked and mine it's showing "GB" though. So maybe your's should be GB (although that's not working too well for me) or maybe mine's wrong, and should be UK?
well I just popped outside for a quick test and Corblimey guvenor if Im not getting a fix in about 20 seconds.
Which is excellent to say the least since i was sat under a canopy of trees at the time and its grim as normal up't'north.
Id switch yours to UK, I didnt really think to try GB, but If its not working for you right now, I'd suggest trying UK.
I changed it to UK, soft reset, tried Tom Tom, no change. I then checked the registry and it had switched back to GB, so I changed it again, closed and reopened Quick GPS and redownloaded, back to Tom Tom again and.. no change. I don't think it's going to do it for me, maybe we have two different problems here..
There have been several threads started in response to the same problem, and the end is always the same: your Kaiser needs to be sent in for a motherboard fix.
However, first try this:
If you are using a stock ROM, back up all your stuff; if it is a cooked ROM, I don't know if what you back up will interfere with the process (I had a stock ROM with bloatware install interrupted, the fix uses a base AT&T ROM with just about everything removed, so the basic architecture is the same)
Flash with HardSPL 3.29
Flash with bengalih RAW ROM at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=429117
Go through the setup and UC, once the phone completely reboots do a hard reset (meaning of course that you go through setup and UC a second time)
Flash with radio 1.71.09.01
Restore your data with the backup
How I arrived at this:
My Tilt's 3g connection started spending most of its time disconnected - would come on for a moment, then disappear. Soft-resets, hard-resets, and re-flashing the stock ROM didn't solve it. I used several different cooked ROMs with different radios (inclding the aforementioned one in the "fix") to no avail. While I was able to use the phone on EDGE, 3G was just not playing nice.
I decided that the Manilla ROMs were a little too slow (and I had personal issues with the way certain things worked, even though I like the interface overall), and wanted to go back to basics until the Fuze (Touch Pro) came out and I could dump the Tilt. I flashed the bengalih ROM, which is a stripped-down AT&T ROM with Sashimi added, did a hard-reset, and noticed for the first time in a week that my H icon stayed an H icon, and I was able to make calls and do all the fun things that (a) the phone is supposed to do and (b) I had heretofore been unable to do since the problem started.
Now, am I saying this WILL ABSOLUTELY work? Hell no. All I know is that, in a week of flashing ROMS, radios, and SPLs, this is the ONLY thing that has worked. And I came across it by a fluke - I had already assumed I was suffering from the dead 3G that others have bemoaned, and my Tilt is not under warranty, so sending it in was not an option. The only downside is that Sashimi, which is cooked into the bengalih ROM, vanishes after your restore. So go download the CAB of Sashimi 7.5. Other than that I have yet to notice any unfortunate side effects.
If it works, great. If it doesn't, try it again. If it still doesn't work... get redy to head to the post office.
Hi all, had my Kaiser a while now and have been using a few different ROMs in this time which have all worked great! The last ROM I used was HyperDragon III. It worked fine for a few days, then started playing up massively. It intermittantly works - Some times I won't receive anything for 3-4 hours, then receive loads of texts and missed calls at once.
T-mobile checked the network, etc. and everything was fine. Re-flashed it back to the original ROM from on here (T-Mobile UK) and it's still playing up the same!
When I put my SIM in a different phone, it works perfectly.
What else can I do/try? I *think* I flashed back to the right radio too but not 100% sure. How do I check what radio/rom versions are currently on the phone?
Thanks!
Radio version can be found @ bootup R: , remeber that the recomended radio may not apply to you as there region specific, so the best bet is to look @ people sigs in your area and see what radio they are using?
Your in the UK try 1.70.19.09 on cooked ROM it's what i always use
R:1.27.15.32
G 22.51.88.13h
D 156.00.00
That's what I got on startup.
For some reason too, when I restart the phone, before it comes to that screen it shows the Hyper Dragon screen first!
I'll try a different radio and ROM then I'm worried it's not a fault with the actual phone..
never mind, advice already given
Well I've upgraded to 1.70.19.09 Radio and Anryl Ultimate Release 3.
Phone seems alright after 20 minutes, but it'll need a few days of testing.
It's not looking good so far - I've just soft-reset my phone and it set the time back to 13:32.. Which certainly isn't the time! It was doing this before when it wasn't working properly too.
This ROM seems incredibly buggy too! Opera keeps closing itself, as well as a few other programs.. randomly!
Help please! I'm frustrated.
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Well I've upgraded to 1.70.19.09 Radio and Anryl Ultimate Release 3.
Phone seems alright after 20 minutes, but it'll need a few days of testing.
It's not looking good so far - I've just soft-reset my phone and it set the time back to 13:32.. Which certainly isn't the time! It was doing this before when it wasn't working properly too.
This ROM seems incredibly buggy too! Opera keeps closing itself, as well as a few other programs.. randomly!
Help please! I'm frustrated.
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Some times if you don't do a hard reset right after flashing successfully, before the phone set up, things will act buggy. Make sure you do the hard reset.
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Well I've upgraded to 1.70.19.09 Radio and Anryl Ultimate Release 3.
Phone seems alright after 20 minutes, but it'll need a few days of testing.
It's not looking good so far - I've just soft-reset my phone and it set the time back to 13:32.. Which certainly isn't the time! It was doing this before when it wasn't working properly too.
This ROM seems incredibly buggy too! Opera keeps closing itself, as well as a few other programs.. randomly!
Help please! I'm frustrated.
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This should do the trick. I think the recent Hyperdragon Roms are WM6.1 and the radio you had listed is for WM6.0. This can cause all sorts of hangs/volume problems etc. Also check which SPL version you have - A WM6.0 SPL can also cause hangs etc if used on a WM6.1 rom.
EDIT: sorry, only read the radio bit of the fix.
Make sure you get rom/radio and SPL all matched ie WM6.0 or WM6,1. Most of the latest roms are WM6.1. If you find Anryls rom buggy, just try another one - I love the Garmin series.
Thanks for the advice How would I check which SPL I'm on?
Unfortunately I've hard reset it with Anryl and still running terribly. Lost the network this morning too so I received a text a few hours late.
I think I'm just going to go with a ROM that's as lite as possible now!
Sorted - I've upgraded to Hard SPL 3.28 and I'll flash the ROM to something lighter. Thanks guys
It appears to be working fine except I'm still having the problem of it changing the time!
Just checked the phone and it's saying 16:50.. Although half an hour ago it read the correct time. Any ideas?
I'm using Galarm 1.4 if it makes a difference. Running Athine Lite now.
Sorry everyone - Phone still isn't working properly. On the correct SPL, correct radio and correct ROM.. done a hard reset.. And it still just keeps losing network! Think my phone might be broken in some way?
I *assume* it's under warranty.. I got it under a year ago, but got it due to an insurance claim of my Hermes, they replaced it with a Kaiser.
When I phoned T-Mobile, they said although I got it from the t-mobile store, I'd need to speak to my Insurance company.
BUT I'd need to put it back to standard for Warranty purposes! I've no idea what I'd need to go back to..
thanks everyone
bump - anyone?
jamiepyrite said:
BUT I'd need to put it back to standard for Warranty purposes! I've no idea what I'd need to go back to..
thanks everyone
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http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_ROMs
Hello everyone,
I have done a ton of google searches and spent about an hour reading through threads of people with similar problems. I have flashed a few roms and different spl/radios etc. Nothing seems to fix the problem.. Nor have I seen anyone in a post had their problem fixed either - they were just criticized and told to search the forums or read a generic faq on flashing radios..
Anyways, after reading all that and trying a few different radios nothing seems to help.
My device, while connected to 3G, can usually make 1 call when it first connects, then each call thereafter will fail with a beep beep beep.
I am running 3.29.Hard spl
Rom Version TPC_V10_MEGA WWE
Radio Version 1.70.18.02
Protocol Version 25.83.40.02W
Has anyone found a successful combination to correct their issues with the 3g network and their tilt? If you have no issues and have the same phone please post your build.
I have flashed from original roms and a few diff radios to no avail .
I really want my damned 3g to work.. and no I dont want to just manually switch to EDGE (which is what I have my phone forced on now).
Thanks in advance.
same here
I have had the same issue. The phone will show H or 3G and you cannot make a call. I have just accepted using the edge system to keep the phone working fine. The only thing you loose is the faster internet speed the phone otherwise works fine. I have assumed that I dropped the phone and something happened to the antenna. I contacted HTC about the issue and they say it is a hardware issue even though I have seen many speak of the same issue. I have the tilt.
I thought I did the same thing until I started searching and see that there are numerous people with the same issue.
I will just be patient and wait until a new winmobile phone comes out with a oversized screen! Hope the next xperia is that
Radio Issue
I had the same problem with that radio. I changed back to the 1.65 radio and everything worked properly again. I hope this helps.
See my sig for what I am running. I have run TPC's roms as well as others and almost every 6.1 compatible radio there is and have never encountered that problem.
Have you tried to go back to stock everything, rom radio and spl to see if that makes the difference ?
Hello
I find a problem.. I wanted to flash my shipped rom with some 6.5 rom. I unlocked spl a flashed newer radio and something went wrong. Everything seems to be ok but 3G networks/HSDPA doesnt. I have 3G icon, network setting is ok but speed is so slow. (like GPRS).
Does someone know where is a problem? i tried different roms, radios and spl a so much combinations but nothing ..
please help me and i would like to epologize for my bad english thank you!
Spirit303
my rom is 1.93 WWE shipped, spl 1.4 security unlocked, radio 1.00.25.5
It`s not advised to flash a new radio on your headset. Not to mention a new OS!
Try getting the las radio version on this forum.I did not encounter this issue , but try to F around the Settings a bit and see how it turns out.
what did you mean by unlocking the spl.......? did you flash it already with the hardspl....? well, i'm also a complete noob if compared to anyone around here;;just got myself a new Htc Diamond a couple of days ago.....but i've read the forum enough to realise that flashing a hard spl is the first thing to do if you're planning to F*** around with rom or radio flashing or anything else on ur diamond......sorry if it might sound like teaching you to suck eggs....and btw, i also faced the issues you've mentioned....3g internet slowdown..:yup, the icon is indicating H,i.e HSDPA yet the speed is soo rotten like the taste of those horrible days of GPRS.
and i solved it by flashing the latest radio available...cant really remember the version, but i'm sure you'll find it if you read the stickies....
currently running Donsalary's Sense 2.5 Lite Rom and pretty satisfied with the speed of connection and my device......hopefully you'll find the workaround for your issues