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Will a Nandroid restore undo my ROM upgrade?

I wouldn't think so, but I'm really clueless about what's going on...
I have Cyanogen 3.9.8
I want 4.0.2
When I use the CM Updater, I get the dreaded acore Force Close.
So I try the manual approach, putting the 4.0.2 zip file on my SD card's root, then I reboot into recovery, and I perform a Nandroid backup (I run Linux on my computer, and don't use ADB).
Then I do a wipe, before I install the 4.0.2 zip.
Finally, I do I Nandroid restore.
Rebooting takes a long time, which tells me something has been done in the ROM department.
But when I have it up and running, everything seems just as they were before the operation, and when I start CM Updater it says "Running version: CyanogenMod-3.9.8"
I tried again, this time I booted the phone before I did the Nandroid restore, was met with the "factory fresh" Google account login screen (so it looked wiped to me...), then did a reboot to recovery and a Nandroid restore, reboot, checked CM Updater: "Running version: CyanogenMod-3.9.8".
Maybe I need to tweak my ROM updating routines..?
I have 3 partion SD card, so apps2sd is running.
Any help is highly appreciated.
Thanks,
Christopher

I'm kinda confused here, it's Monday morning. Since your trying to upgrade why do you keep doing a nandroid restore? You only want to restore nandroid if you want to go back to that previous point when you made the restore point. If you are just upgrading, just upgrade without restoring nandroid.

do exactly what you did without doing the nandroid restore at the end

Nandroid Restore is pretty simple.
Say you have ROM1 installed and there is an experimental ROM2beta out. So you want to try it.
Do a nandroid backup and it saves it to your sdcard.
The files that are saved are:
recovery.img
data.img
system.img
cache.img
misc.img
boot.img
This is almost every part of your phone except the spl and radio.
When you do a ROM upgrade MOST of the time it only updates the system and boot (some ROMs like Hero wipe/update the system, data, cache and boot.) But if your going from Cyan1 to Cyan2 then the only things being changed are system.img and boot.img. Unless you wipe, everything else should remain the same.
With all that said... you flash from ROM1 to ROM2beta and then do a restore from the ROM1 backup. So what does that mean for your phone? Is it possible to have ROM2beta ROM with the ROM1 system.img and boot.img? No. Since system.img is restoring the key elements for the ROM1 over your newly flashed ROM2beta. Bottom line. You'd be right back to where you started.

Binary100100 said:
With all that said... you flash from ROM1 to ROM2beta and then do a restore from the ROM1 backup. So what does that mean for your phone? Is it possible to have ROM2beta ROM with the ROM1 system.img and boot.img? No. Since system.img is restoring the key elements for the ROM1 over your newly flashed ROM2beta. Bottom line. You'd be right back to where you started.
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Which explains what I am experiencing.
Thanks, 36!
That means I have misunderstood what Nandroid does.
I thought it would just take a backup of "user changed" files, like application data, configurations, call logs, that sort of things - like MyBackup Pro, more or less.
Guess I will get back to using MyBackup Pro before I upgrade my ROM.
Thanks, this really clarified things - I'm sorry I had to post such a n00b question, but I haven't found any other Nandroid postings telling me in such details what Nandroid backs up (and restores) - but then again I probably haven't looked hard enough! ;-)
~Christopher

Seems I had the same misconception and it seems that Nandroid is not nearly as useful as I had been led to believe by all the posts harping on about it. What I want is a backup of all my user data which I can restore to the updated ROM. Luckily I suspected Nandroid wasn't going to do this and used MyBackup Pro too

MikLSP said:
Seems I had the same misconception and it seems that Nandroid is not nearly as useful as I had been led to believe by all the posts harping on about it. What I want is a backup of all my user data which I can restore to the updated ROM. Luckily I suspected Nandroid wasn't going to do this and used MyBackup Pro too
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nandroid can do this you just have to do a backup flash youre rom then push youre data.img

I understand you push the data.img but.....
how...
please

Perform a nandroid backup
Locate the backup on your sdcard under the foler "Nandroid"
Navigate to the last folder (this should be your latest)
Copy all or at least the folder that you want to push back (in this case just data.img to a directory say c:\nandroidbackup)
Open the cmd prompt and make sure that you have your fastboot.exe file in your pc's system32 directory.
If your phone is already on type "adb shell reboot recovery" in the cmd prompt to get to the bootloader and ready for FASTBOOT and then type "exit" to quit the adb shell.
If not then power on your phone while holding the camera button to get to the bootloader and then press the back button on your handset to get to FASTBOOT mode.
On your cmd prompt type "cd" along with the location of the data.img file (example cd c:\nandroidbackup) to move the command prompt to the backup location.
On the cmd prompt type fastboot flash userdata data.img and hit enter.
You should see "sending" followed by "writing" once complete type fastboot reboot and hit enter.
That should do it.
Now mind you that pushing your data across different builds may not work. If you are trying to restore your data on Hero that was previously saved from Cupcake then you're wasting your time. And vice versa. Always store a backup or two on your pc for quick and easy access in case something doesn't work.
In the event that it does not work simply wipe and follow the above directions to restore.
fastboot flash system system.img
fastboot flash userdata data.img
fastboot flash boot boot.img

Thanks great thanks mate!!

On the cmd prompt type fastboot flash userdata data.img and hit enter.
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This step fails for me during the "verifying signature" phase. I believe this is todo with my spl.
Is it possible to use adb to do this? or will the spl still prevent it?

Can't restore using Nandroid could anyone help ?

i have have been using cyan. 4.2.5 for several weeks and wanted to try the new 2.0 rom by eugene. so i completed a full backup by nandroid and before i falshed i used astro file manager to review my files just to be sure. then i used the new recovery file to wipe my data/davlik cache/etc...... i was stuck in boot loop with the new rom and when i tried to restore it gives me some sort of error..... nandroid-mobile.sh restore and then im lost. i need to recovery all my files someone please help me...................................

lilwill2806 said:
i have have been using cyan. 4.2.5 for several weeks and wanted to try the new 2.0 rom by eugene. so i completed a full backup by nandroid and before i falshed i used astro file manager to review my files just to be sure. then i used the new recovery file to wipe my data/davlik cache/etc...... i was stuck in boot loop with the new rom and when i tried to restore it gives me some sort of error..... nandroid-mobile.sh restore and then im lost. i need to recovery all my files someone please help me...................................
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They may be deleted from the system partition. you need to get your nandroids from your SD card and flash them from fastboot
these are the ones you need to flash
boot.img
data.img
system.img
i think the commands are
fastboot flash system system.img
fastboot flash boot boot.img
fastboot flash userdata data.img

Nandroid Restore Error

I keep on getting an error when I try to do a nandroid restore. something about adb

Take the .img files out of the nandroid backup folder, toss them into the /tools folder of the SDK, boot into fastboot and manually flash them.
Code:
fastboot flash system system.img
fastboot flash boot boot.img
fastboot flash userdata data.img

Just charge your phone. The battery is probably too low. Needs to be >40% for restore or it will throw an adb error (well a suggestion actually).

djmcnz said:
Just charge your phone. The battery is probably too low. Needs to be >40% for restore or it will throw an adb error (well a suggestion actually).
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Thanks!
10char

[Q] Stuck at Fastboot usb screen

I installed the new zen2.2 rom today and had a working clockwork recovery. Here is where I went stupid, I downloaded the kernel update but rather than running it via update.zip I flashed it using flash_image recovery via adb shell.
Now my phone comes up to fastboot usb and never goes any further, been waiting hours! I have tried booting into fastboot/hboot and it does nothing. I have booted to hboot before successfully but now nothing.
If I run adb devices it shows no devices. If I run fastboot devices it does show my device.
Whats next?

If you cant get into fastboot and you cant get into recovery then you m ight have bricked your phone. Did you try a hard reset?

How do you do a hard reset?
Here is a little more info. I believe it does actually get to fastboot usb as it says so on the top left of the screen and I can run fastboot commands but most commands say error. If I do fastboot devices it shows the device connected.
Little more info - when I try doing a back to basics RUU update it connects, shows the rom version, starts the update and then at about 88% every time, it goes right to a error [171] usb connection error. So its communicating but never finishes. Tried with the sprint RUU stock rom, another that was built by one of the devs in the Hero community and still both do the same.

I'm pretty sure you can flash a custom recovery from fastboot. Using something like fastboot flash xxx dont quote me on this but it sounds like you have a soft brick and you just need to get a recovery back on the phone. From there you can then flash and rom back on the phone. Do some research on flash a recovery from fastboot.

ASimmons said:
I'm pretty sure you can flash a custom recovery from fastboot. Using something like fastboot flash xxx dont quote me on this but it sounds like you have a soft brick and you just need to get a recovery back on the phone. From there you can then flash and rom back on the phone. Do some research on flash a recovery from fastboot.
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Right, I also believe that if I could get a recovery back on the phone I would be good as gold! Here is the problem though. I have tried running "fastboot flash recovery [recovery.img]" but it gives me the below error. I have tried multiple key combination's to get into hboot but nothing works. If anyone has any other key combination's I could try please let me know!
Code:
D:\android-sdk-windows\tools>fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
sending 'recovery' (3720 KB)... FAILED (remote: not allow)
finished. total time: 0.001s

1st:The ONLY time you use flash_image recovery is when you are installing a recovery console, NOT a kernel
If you notice the kernel is in a signed .zip folder. When you use flash_image command it needs to be .img file
2nd: Put the recovery image on your sdcard
Put it in the tools folder of AndroidSDK and do
Code:
adb push recovery.img /sdcard
Now type in
Code:
$ adb shell
$ su
# flash_image recovery /sdcard/recovery.img

unCoRrUpTeD said:
1st:The ONLY time you use flash_image recovery is when you are installing a recovery console, NOT a kernel
If you notice the kernel is in a signed .zip folder. When you use flash_image command it needs to be .img file
2nd: Put the recovery image on your sdcard
Put it in the tools folder of AndroidSDK and do
Code:
adb push recovery.img /sdcard
Now type in
Code:
$ adb shell
$ su
# flash_image recovery /sdcard/recovery.img
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Yeah I think he knows now not to flash kernels... atleast I hope so. +1 for your post.

unCoRrUpTeD said:
1st:The ONLY time you use flash_image recovery is when you are installing a recovery console, NOT a kernel
If you notice the kernel is in a signed .zip folder. When you use flash_image command it needs to be .img file
2nd: Put the recovery image on your sdcard
Put it in the tools folder of AndroidSDK and do
Code:
adb push recovery.img /sdcard
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I am fully aware of how the how-to's and what not to do's. Like I said, it was a mistake, call it a bit of anxiety due to the new 2.2 rom that I was trying to get installed. I did it too quick and without much common sense .
Now type in
Code:
$ adb shell
$ su
# flash_image recovery /sdcard/recovery.img
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For the second part, I am unable to do anything with adb as my computer does not see the phone. When running adb devices it is not listed. Only command that sees my phone is fastboot devices, but again I am unable to run anything aside from that due to previous error.

casualonejp said:
I am fully aware of how the how-to's and what not to do's. Like I said, it was a mistake, call it a bit of anxiety due to the new 2.2 rom that I was trying to get installed. I did it too quick and without much common sense .
For the second part, I am unable to do anything with adb as my computer does not see the phone. When running adb devices it is not listed. Only command that sees my phone is fastboot devices, but again I am unable to run anything aside from that due to previous error.
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First do you have the eng spl, does your hoot say s (on)
Have you tried that command but point it to the sdcard? Also do you have any files on your sdcard like say a recovery.img or an update zip. If you don't you might need to manually move the file to it and try some of these commands
fastboot update /sdcard/<imagepackage>.zip [-w] -w will wipe the cache and the user/data
or your previous flash recovery but with the file pointing to the file on the sdcard
edit: sorry i dont think fastboot will see the sdcard but try anyways.

ASimmons said:
First do you have the eng spl, does your hoot say s (on)
Have you tried that command but point it to the sdcard? Also do you have any files on your sdcard like say a recovery.img or an update zip. If you don't you might need to manually move the file to it and try some of these commands
fastboot update /sdcard/<imagepackage>.zip [-w] -w will wipe the cache and the user/data
or your previous flash recovery but with the file pointing to the file on the sdcard
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I will try the fastboot command right now. I am unable to get to hboot with any of the key combination I have tried, before I was able to. Only thing that always comes up is the HTC white screen with fastboot usb at the top left. Can't see what hboot version or anything else I have due to that limitation.

casualonejp said:
I will try the fastboot command right now. I am unable to get to hboot with any of the key combination I have tried, before I was able to. Only thing that always comes up is the HTC white screen with fastboot usb at the top left. Can't see what hboot version or anything else I have due to that limitation.
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After reading a bit you should be able to do something like i described
- copy amon_ra image to yor sd
- flash_image recovery /sdcard/name-of-recovery.img
hopefully you have a way to copy the files to your sd card like say a microsd card converter and stick it in your comp. Or I have had to use a freaking camera once for my g1 after being in a similar situation.
edit: ok so maybe you wont be able to if you spl is in s-off mode.
if you can access your card and see if you have nadroids you could also try this
fastboot flash system /path/to/nandroid/system.img
fastboot flash boot /path/to/nandroid/boot.img
fastboot flash userdata /path/to/nandroid/userdata.img
fastboot reboot
hopefully you have these backed up on your puter to.

ASimmons said:
After reading a bit you should be able to do something like i described
- copy amon_ra image to yor sd
- flash_image recovery /sdcard/name-of-recovery.img
hopefully you have a way to copy the files to your sd card like say a microsd card converter and stick it in your comp. Or I have had to use a freaking camera once for my g1 after being in a similar situation.
edit: ok so maybe you wont be able to if you spl is in s-off mode.
if you can access your card and see if you have nadroids you could also try this
fastboot flash system /path/to/nandroid/system.fimg
fastboot flash boot /path/to/nandroid/boot.img
fastboot flash userdata /path/to/nandroid/userdata.img
fastboot reboot
hopefully you have these backed up on your puter to.
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Negative on the fastboot commands. Also did have a nandroid but on old sdcard which died. I read that I could use anothers nandroid backup but I am currently trying to find one to test.
Tried doing the RUU method with stock/custom roms and it gets as far as seeing the image but when I click on "ok" to start the recovery, it goes to "waiting on bootloader" and then at 88% it errors to a 171 error stating usb connection error.

I would do some research its my understanding that you can't be bricked since you can get into spl. You should be able to put an .img file on your sd card and flash it. Sorry I can give you any more input.

ASimmons said:
I would do some research its my understanding that you can't be bricked since you can get into spl. You should be able to put an .img file on your sd card and flash it. Sorry I can give you any more input.
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Ya I have been researching non stop all yesterday evening and today so far all day. I just cant get it to do anything. I will keep researching though. Thanks

Did you fix this yet?

Anyone figure this out yet...I have the same issue and haven't been able to resolve it yet. Still with a brick at this point!

Hey guys,if your stuck at fastboot(As I just was tonight), try in your CMD(if running Windows) fastboot reboot-bootloader or fastboot reboot to reboot as normal,I'll try to keep you updated to get through all this. I am at a loss right now but searching for answers first before i go about asking.
Answer to MY problem(maybe not yours): OK,I have come to the conclusion here tonight that I had a soft brick. What I did was remove the battery,put the battery back in,restarted the phone normally,then I ran the HTC Sprint Hero MR 2.27.651.6 on my computer(essentially restoring back to unrooted factory settings). This worked for me. I am totally refreshed and happy that my phone is ok and all. Yes I may have to go back and re-root but this only take me bout 20 minutes most to root and re-flash a CyanMod7 Nightly Rom. Hope my info can help out somebody!

[Q] recovery mode problems with cache

whenever i go into recovery mode i get an error on the bottom of the screem
BUILD : RA-dream-v1.7.0
E:Error in CACHE:recovery/log
(No Space left on device)
i cant nand backup or anything

rickyiswhite said:
whenever i go into recovery mode i get an error on the bottom of the screem
BUILD : RA-dream-v1.7.0
E:Error in CACHE:recovery/log
(No Space left on device)
i cant nand backup or anything
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There are two possibilities:
1) The log is occupiing really the whole space on cache. In that case try to remove the log file from cache directory
2) Did you mess up with custom partion tables? To me this happened some time ago when I forgot to flash fr_boot_xxx.zip onto a boot.img while having installed custom partitions. In that case you have to clean everything. Eventually you need also to flash recovery again. If you have a recent backup, you can try to do a
fastboot erase system -w
then boot into recovery and see, if everything works for you again. If not you need to flash a new recovery:
fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
After that everything should work again, i.e. you can install your backup or you can install a new ROM.

AndDiSa said:
There are two possibilities:
1) The log is occupiing really the whole space on cache. In that case try to remove the log file from cache directory
2) Did you mess up with custom partion tables? To me this happened some time ago when I forgot to flash fr_boot_xxx.zip onto a boot.img while having installed custom partitions. In that case you have to clean everything. Eventually you need also to flash recovery again. If you have a recent backup, you can try to do a
fastboot erase system -w
then boot into recovery and see, if everything works for you again. If not you need to flash a new recovery:
fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
After that everything should work again, i.e. you can install your backup or you can install a new ROM.
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hmm ok ill try that... thanks... and sometimes it says cant open cache or something