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I realize that in an Android-centric forum branch, I risk cries of heresy, but looking at the specs for upcoming Windows Phone 7 phones, I'm wondering if it will be possible to port Windows Mobile 7 to the Nexus One.
Not knowing enough about ROM cooking, I am wondering if any devs have opinions on the feasibility of this.
I am NOT interested in opinions about Windows Mobile 7 by itself, or as compared to any other platform, Android or otherwise, so please don't bother posting "b-b-but WinMo sucks", etc.
Thanks in advance!
maxawesome said:
I realize that in an Android-centric forum branch, I risk cries of heresy, but looking at the specs for upcoming Windows Phone 7 phones, I'm wondering if it will be possible to port Windows Mobile 7 to the Nexus One.
Not knowing enough about ROM cooking, I am wondering if any devs have opinions on the feasibility of this.
I am NOT interested in opinions about Windows Mobile 7 by itself, or as compared to any other platform, Android or otherwise, so please don't bother posting "b-b-but WinMo sucks", etc.
Thanks in advance!
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Almost impossible since WP7 isn't open source.
(And it's not finished yet anyway.)
Also, Windows Mobile 7 =/= Windows Phone 7
My understanding is that Windows Phone 7 is to the WinMo platform what Centrino is to Intel-based notebooks, i.e. a set of required hardware to guarantee a certain experience.
Windows Mobile 7 (as in the OS itself) has been ported to the HTC HD2, right?
I just wondered if the same might not be possible now that the WinMo 7 SDK is out (not in final form, I know, but still...)??
winmo 7 won't run on hd2
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winmo 7 won't run on hd2
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Ok, in that case, what about dual-booting an Android phone to run WinMo 6.5?
I've seen articles on some bootloader that will let you dual boot WinMo 6.5 and Android from a WinMo phone. Is it possible to do the same on an Android handset?
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Ok, in that case, what about dual-booting an Android phone to run WinMo 6.5?
I've seen articles on some bootloader that will let you dual boot WinMo 6.5 and Android from a WinMo phone. Is it possible to do the same on an Android handset?
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It's a hell of a lot easier to port Android to a WinMo phone due to the fact that it's open source (hell, it's even been ported to iphone).
Getting any version of WinMo ported to Android would probably be possible, but incredibly difficult.
Ah, good point I hadn't thought of. I guess I just figured that even though WinMo isn't open source, enough of the hardware is common between devices these days so that drivers baked into WinMo would just work. Showing my novice, obviously.
I own a Samsung Galaxy SII T-989 and, because I come from the "Windows" side rather than Linux or Apple, I would like to be able to completely wipe out the Gingerbred ROM that came with the phone and install a "cooked" ROM based on Windows Mobile 7 or, at least Windows Mobile 6.5.
I am hoping that, all those great developers connected to this site and spending so much time on cooking roms and rooting android phones, maybe one day they would look into this project that will become, I am sure, the greatest challenge, the pinnacle of all great things ever accomplished and recorded on this amazing forum.
I'm sure that nobody will bother:
1) It's going to prove VERY complicated, to say the least. Without "inside job" with the drivers, just plain impossible.
2) It's useless. If you're after Windows Phone 7 phones - just go and buy yourself one. Installing Android on it will be much easier than the other way around, and most probably it was already done.
Because of both of the points, it won't happen. There are reasonable challenges, and there are oh-so-stupid ones. And people mostly have lives. So if I were you, I wouldn't hold on to the hope, and would just go out and buy WinPhone 7.
Specifically for point 1: Microsoft certifies all the HW that is licensed to work with their OS, and all the drivers are made ONLY for this HW, and not for anything else. VERY CPU- and board-specific. Seeing that you have a Samsung phone, which doesn't have this HW or anything like it, I'd say that the chances of hell freezing over are higher than your phone getting Win7 port. Well, at least until your specific CPU (which happens, unlike most other SGS2 ones, to be of the "right" brand for Win7 phones) and phone motherboard (which might never become a base for Win7 phone) gets certified and has drivers done for it - happens only if exactly the same base will be used for Win7 phone - and Microsoft outsourcing them. I'd bet my money on hell freezing over
I really love Windows Mobile OS but my uncle gave me a Milestone for my birthday! I wonder that could anyone have an idea to set up Windows Mobile OS on my Milestone. I think this is a best combination! Maybe I'm so silly but I'm still hoping.
Waiting for news!!!
This would be nearly impossible if not impossible because of the locked bootloader no custom kernel can be loaded to run windows mobile
dangkhoa02106 said:
I really love Windows Mobile OS but my uncle gave me a Milestone for my birthday! I wonder that could anyone have an idea to set up Windows Mobile OS on my Milestone. I think this is a best combination! Maybe I'm so silly but I'm still hoping.
Waiting for news!!!
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The nearest approach for windows is "Android windows 7" from android market.
You can use skin which look just like winmo 7 home screen.It's somewhere here.Search forums...
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Thanks for all your helps and advice ! Maybe I will use the Windows 7 skin but I still hoping for a complete setup of Win mobile on my device . As you known, many device which use Windows mobile can use Android as the second OS, so why's the device that use Android can't use Windows mobile? The hardware configuration of Milestone is good enough to run Windows mobile 6.5 or maybe above (like Win 7). Why don't Motorola give an unlock bootloader on this device? It will a big problem for many modders in the world
PS: Sorry if my English is so bad.
dangkhoa02106 said:
Thanks for all your helps and advice ! Maybe I will use the Windows 7 skin but I still hoping for a complete setup of Win mobile on my device . As you known, many device which use Windows mobile can use Android as the second OS, so why's the device that use Android can't use Windows mobile? The hardware configuration of Milestone is good enough to run Windows mobile 6.5 or maybe above (like Win 7). Why don't Motorola give an unlock bootloader on this device? It will a big problem for many modders in the world
PS: Sorry if my English is so bad.
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I have a solution. You should sell the MS for somebody. According to you buy new smartphone that it is supported by WM. Recommending HTC HD 2 or 7
Android is open source so it can be ported to other devices.
WM/WP7 is not open source and can't be ported to other devices that shipped with a different OS i.e. Android. Even if you could it would be illegal to so do.
Android is so much better than WM/WP7 that you must be on some good w&&d if you think otherwise =P Learn to love Android and flash the good ROMs that people have made for Milestone, or sell your phone to someone who can appreciate it and get something that fits you "needs" better.
FYI a bit of searching on XDA would have answered this question without wasting time.
Check the upcoming building Windows 8 for the PC it's very interesting because it has a really similar OS that hd7 has right now
Check the video
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p92QfWOw88I&feature=player_embedded
I think that the Windows Phone 7 is going to have a great future but who knows how long will that take.
I'll advise people now not to bother with any current leaked Windows 8 builds that are out there. Driver support is non-existant and if you plan on Dual-booting it uses the same BootMgr as Windows 7 and thus you can't get back to your Windows 7 build without the disk.
Just a question, don't you think they are over doing a nice OS...I mean, looked cool on our phones and all...but don't you think seeing the same thing on PC is pushing it a little too far...just a question...
circleofomega said:
Just a question, don't you think they are over doing a nice OS...I mean, looked cool on our phones and all...but don't you think seeing the same thing on PC is pushing it a little too far...just a question...
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i agree but disagree at the same time. it can start something new, this isnt something microsoft usually does. look at the last OS's they have had. 7, vista.. almost the same thing. i think that this should have been WP7, and done something alittle more improving to Windows 8. lol
OMG, what to do ??
Omg! Upgrade to vista.
Never !!
TravisBean said:
Never !!
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Fine then, go directly to Windows 8 in October
TravisBean said:
OMG, what to do ??
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This actually has the potential to become an issue - not for home users or most businesses, but because of the prevalence of XP on such things as EPoS equipment and other platforms which require an OS with small footprint and rock-solid stability.
EPoS (and other touch-screen systems) are still being manufactured and rolled out now with XP - and if you try telling a customer that in 18 months they will no longer have any support for their OS it will become a BIG issue to them. There are so many different hardware platforms out there that just getting device drivers to upgrade to Windows 7 / 8 will be almost impossible, assuming that the CPU and RAM is capable of running them in the first place.
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This actually has the potential to become an issue - not for home users or most businesses, but because of the prevalence of XP on such things as EPoS equipment and other platforms which require an OS with small footprint and rock-solid stability.
EPoS (and other touch-screen systems) are still being manufactured and rolled out now with XP - and if you try telling a customer that in 18 months they will no longer have any support for their OS it will become a BIG issue to them. There are so many different hardware platforms out there that just getting device drivers to upgrade to Windows 7 / 8 will be almost impossible, assuming that the CPU and RAM is capable of running them in the first place.
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Yes
HORRAY!!!
SimonTS said:
This actually has the potential to become an issue - not for home users or most businesses, but because of the prevalence of XP on such things as EPoS equipment and other platforms which require an OS with small footprint and rock-solid stability.
EPoS (and other touch-screen systems) are still being manufactured and rolled out now with XP - and if you try telling a customer that in 18 months they will no longer have any support for their OS it will become a BIG issue to them. There are so many different hardware platforms out there that just getting device drivers to upgrade to Windows 7 / 8 will be almost impossible, assuming that the CPU and RAM is capable of running them in the first place.
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Most EPoS devices with XP embeded etc wouldn't be affected as they're are rarely important updates for them anyway as they're protected via other means.
A EPoS for instance doesn't need any security updates that fix vulnerabilities which rely on tricking a user into going to an infected website, you simply deny them access to the web.
Companies will either budget to replace them all as a job lot and move to W7 or W8 piecemeal.
One of my clients is doing just that, while PCs that can run XP are being made they'll buy them and get us to load XP, but eventually XP drivers won't be available and they'll go to W7. They use Citrix at their remote sites, so chances are anyone there who's had a new XP machine will get it swapped with a new W7 PC, and their XP machine will go to head office to replace one of their ancient P4 Celerons with 512MB (I wish I was kidding with that spec)
m1l4droid said:
Who gives a sh!t?
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Probably a lot of schools with computers other than macs.
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Probably a lot of schools with computers other than macs.
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Win
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I can't figure out why people are still using Windows XP. Windows 7 works great and I found it to be more stable than Vista was.
vanessaem said:
I can't figure out why people are still using Windows XP. Windows 7 works great and I found it to be more stable than Vista was.
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Because XP is more stable than Win 7 and runs on a much lower hardware spec - thus meaning that you can run a low-spec system (1.6 GHz Atom and 1/2 GB RAM) with no active cooling. That is something that simply cannot be done on anything running Windows 7 right now - and the absence of a cooling fan (plus accompanying noise) is a massive seller in the EPoS market - and other markets as well.
Why worry about support, that's what's google is for.
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Because XP is more stable than Win 7 and runs on a much lower hardware spec - thus meaning that you can run a low-spec system (1.6 GHz Atom and 1/2 GB RAM) with no active cooling. That is something that simply cannot be done on anything running Windows 7 right now - and the absence of a cooling fan (plus accompanying noise) is a massive seller in the EPoS market - and other markets as well.
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I thought it was because some PC users were afraid of change. I doubt the average PC user is thinking about all that was stated above. Heck, there are still people running Windows 98.
I remember when XP first came out. People were making a stink about how unstable it was compared to 98. They said the same thing about 98 when it came out as well. We can go as far back as you want. The arguments were the same.
But yeah, your reasoning makes perfect sense for why companies still run XP. Plus a lot of their software is only XP compatible.
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I thought it was because some PC users were afraid of change. I doubt the average PC user is thinking about all that was stated above. Heck, there are still people running Windows 98.
I remember when XP first came out. People were making a stink about how unstable it was compared to 98. They said the same thing about 98 when it came out as well. We can go as far back as you want. The arguments were the same.
But yeah, your reasoning makes perfect sense for why companies still run XP. Plus a lot of their software is only XP compatible.
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I use Windows XP. Much better than Windows 7 and Vista.
Upgrade to windows 8!!!!!! :d
UBUNTU!!!
Steam is also coming on Ubuntu. What more is left?
younggeek1 said:
Upgrade to windows 8!!!!!! :d
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Windows 8 is fast as ****, it revived my old computer to something that doesn't freeze completely when i accidentally click internet explorer.....
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Xp is an obsolete system only being used if you can't upgrade. Or if you're a school.
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iKoolkid said:
Xp is an obsolete system only being used if you can't upgrade. Or if you're a school.
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Or if you can't afford to pay the new Microsoft tax in your country, or if you are restricted with legacy applications that wont run on anything newer than XP ... do I need to go on?
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Hi:
I current have an HTC HD2 Telstra, and it came with Windows Mobile. Thanks to the brilliant folks at XDA, I have been successfully running Android, and every time I want to upgrade the type of Android I use, I simply replace the Android folder….simply brilliant.
So I now have no need for Windows Mobile, and am looking to do the same with Windows 8 and Android, and I am trying to find which phone out there is as versatile as the HTC HD2 Telstra, and comes with Windows Phone 8 installed.
How will I know which phone with Windows 8 installed will enable me to also install Android in the same fashion? If I could create the phone, it would be a 5” screen, Windows 8, and a lot of power. Anything close to that would be acceptable, but it must be Windows 8. Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Chaz
With Windows Phone 7 there was never a port of Android to any device and given that WP8 employs Secure Boot to make sure only verified OS-code is loaded and executed I highly doubt we will see anything similar to the HD2 with WP8. Aside from that no one would be able to say that beforehand.
No Windows Phones do what you want.
Why not just buy an Android phone if that's what you want (for some inexplicable reason)?
chazperx said:
Hi:
I current have an HTC HD2 Telstra, and it came with Windows Mobile. Thanks to the brilliant folks at XDA, I have been successfully running Android, and every time I want to upgrade the type of Android I use, I simply replace the Android folder….simply brilliant.
So I now have no need for Windows Mobile, and am looking to do the same with Windows 8 and Android, and I am trying to find which phone out there is as versatile as the HTC HD2 Telstra, and comes with Windows Phone 8 installed.
How will I know which phone with Windows 8 installed will enable me to also install Android in the same fashion? If I could create the phone, it would be a 5” screen, Windows 8, and a lot of power. Anything close to that would be acceptable, but it must be Windows 8. Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Chaz
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Why don't you just buy a galaxy note if you want android and 5" screen, why on earth would you want to buy a windows phone just to port android????
lumpaywk said:
Why don't you just buy a galaxy note if you want android and 5" screen, why on earth would you want to buy a windows phone just to port android????
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Because I can....lol I like the flexibility of running two different OS, and the additional apps I can use as a result. Keep in mind, I really don't need anything, but if its possible with WIN8 and Android....why wouldn't anyone want two OS on one phone?
chazperx said:
if its possible with WIN8 and Android
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Firstly, Windows 8 does not run on phones.
Secondly, Windows Phone 8 devices will not be able to run Android (thankfully).
Thirdly, no Android device will be able to run Windows Phone 8.
I think you will need 2 separate phones, or you will have to choose one or the other if you only want one phone.
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Firstly, Windows 8 does not run on phones.
Secondly, Windows Phone 8 devices will not be able to run Android (thankfully).
Thirdly, no Android device will be able to run Windows Phone 8.
I think you will need 2 separate phones, or you will have to choose one or the other if you only want one phone.
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OK....it seems that XDA haven't cracked code that disables other OS on Windows Phone. I'm counting on that, but I wont go two phones, I would just buy a cheap tablet.
Thanks for your help and suggestions.
chazperx said:
OK....it seems that XDA haven't cracked code that disables other OS on Windows Phone. I'm counting on that, but I wont go two phones, I would just buy a cheap tablet.
Thanks for your help and suggestions.
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If you want a tablet then windows 8 tablets (not windows phone) will run bluestacks.
Do windows phone 7 and 8 apps run on Windows 7 and 8 desktops?
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Do windows phone 7 and 8 apps run on Windows 7 and 8 desktops?
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Only if you have an emulator. Windows phone 8 and windows 8 share a common kernel and a lot of cross platform ability however an app will need to be written for the phone or for windows 8. That said in most cases this is just a case of how you compile it or a very small amount of code change so you can expect the growth of windows 8 and windows phone 8 to push each others markets up.
chazperx said:
Hi:
I current have an HTC HD2 Telstra, and it came with Windows Mobile. Thanks to the brilliant folks at XDA, I have been successfully running Android, and every time I want to upgrade the type of Android I use, I simply replace the Android folder….simply brilliant.
So I now have no need for Windows Mobile, and am looking to do the same with Windows 8 and Android, and I am trying to find which phone out there is as versatile as the HTC HD2 Telstra, and comes with Windows Phone 8 installed.
How will I know which phone with Windows 8 installed will enable me to also install Android in the same fashion? If I could create the phone, it would be a 5” screen, Windows 8, and a lot of power. Anything close to that would be acceptable, but it must be Windows 8. Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Chaz
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One word...wait... Android for the HD2 did not come out the day the phone was released. The ONLY reason why it had Windows Phone 7 is because Microsoft used it in their testing of WP7, so drivers were leaked and everyone built on it as they learned more. Android was ported to Windows Mobile devices and most, if not all of them were able to run some flavor of Android, even if was just the SDcard boot method.
Time will tell if there will be that magic device that Microsoft MIGHT of used in testing that ran all OS's (WM, WP7 and WP8) and then you might have a earier chance but, I would not count on it.
The only thing you can do is wait, one of the hacker will attempt one device at one point, if they succeed AND release it, you might have it.
Right now, the odds of it happening is very low on phones that have not been released yet and even for months after.
I wish you luck but, if you really want Android more than Windows Phone, I might suggest to just pick up a Android device.
Good luck
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One word...wait... Android for the HD2 did not come out the day the phone was released. The ONLY reason why it had Windows Phone 7 is because Microsoft used it in their testing of WP7, so drivers were leaked and everyone built on it as they learned more. Android was ported to Windows Mobile devices and most, if not all of them were able to run some flavor of Android, even if was just the SDcard boot method.
Time will tell if there will be that magic device that Microsoft MIGHT of used in testing that ran all OS's (WM, WP7 and WP8) and then you might have a earier chance but, I would not count on it.
The only thing you can do is wait, one of the hacker will attempt one device at one point, if they succeed AND release it, you might have it.
Right now, the odds of it happening is very low on phones that have not been released yet and even for months after.
I wish you luck but, if you really want Android more than Windows Phone, I might suggest to just pick up a Android device.
Good luck
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If Microsot ever tries their new Windows Phone 8 on HTC HD2..
I'm pretty sure that they would ask Cotulla to develope a new Magldr for them
NOTE: I anso own a hd2...
chazperx said:
Because I can....lol I like the flexibility of running two different OS, and the additional apps I can use as a result. Keep in mind, I really don't need anything, but if its possible with WIN8 and Android....why wouldn't anyone want two OS on one phone?
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There are advantages to each OS. I presently have dual boot Wp7.8 (pdaimatejam) and Android on the same HD2 (with 32gb SDcard). It is just brilliant. I can run either and both the latest in these are very smooth. Got the best of both worlds - pretty unique.