Sorry if this has been covered elsewhere; I couldn't find anything.
I'm looking into getting some spare chargers for my Tilt. I read at Pocket PC Techs that the device has a distinct "fast charge" mode, that uses a special pinout. Is this true?
If so, does the charger that comes with the Tilt use this fast charge mode? It seems to be just a standard mini-USB charger (data sheet here).
The link to Pocket PC Techs is actually to an adapter that they sell that is suppose to give you a fast charge with any USB charger. I'm wondering under what circumstances I'd have to use this.
Anyone know what the fast charge pinout is, and which third-party chargers use it?
Thanks.
ISTR reading something about pins 4 & 5 being tied together on some chargers -- should be very easy to test this.
I have not tested this but I suspect the pin out is the same as the Hermes:
http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/2006/09/10/htc_hermes_usb_connector_pin_config
The USB charging is done with different connections and at a different mA rating. The mains charger is 1000mA and is what I would call the normal charging system (but what the site you show, refers to as fast charge - but only by comparison to USB charging) This is just about standard for many sync/charge PDAs and not a special feature of the Kaiser.
Mike
I do notice a huge difference in speed comparing my old razor usb power adapter vs usb cable into my computer vs tilt power adapater so it prolly makes sense
jallenclark said:
I do notice a huge difference in speed comparing my old razor usb power adapter vs usb cable into my computer vs tilt power adapater so it prolly makes sense
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Yep, the Razor adapter only delivers 500mA not 1000mA
Mike
Plus the razor charger does not have the pins 4-5 shorted, this is a HTC tweak that lets the phone know that it's on a charger vs std. USB power and it may in fact charge at a higher rate upon detecting this. I just know that my Hermes occasionally did strange things like turn off BT radio and other odd things when connecting/disconnecting from different chargers. Kaiser seems better at this.
For a couple of weeks now, I have been charging my Kaiser at work by using the adapter that came with my Audiovox SMT5600. It's been working fine. I cannot however determine if this charges any faster or slower than the Kaiser's adapter.
Slow Charging
So that would explain when I use GPS in the car with my old RAZR charger why the battery still drains. Darn, looks like I'll have to buy a new car charger.
USB Charging
are there any issues iwth battery drain or lif when charging with the USB cable connected to a computer?
Thanks,
g
Is there a specific USB charger.
The pin out is the same as the Hermes?
mikechannon said:
I have not tested this but I suspect the pin out is the same as the Hermes:
http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/2006/09/10/htc_hermes_usb_connector_pin_config....
Mike
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Is that tested by anybody?
Frans. said:
Is that tested by anybody?
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I wouldn't think it would need to be tested. As per this page:
HTC has developed a range of accessories that are compatible across all HTC devices for consumer's ease of use. These include the BH M200 (Bluetooth headset), HS U110 (3.5 mm audio adapter and headset), and the HS S200 (HTC standard stereo wired headset) to enable effective communications on the move.
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If the audio adapter and hard wired headset are compatible across all HTC devices (per HTC themselves), then that confirms that the pinout of the audio side is the same. And it's been mentioned earlier that the data side follows the mini-usb standard, which I can confirm: I'm using the usb cable from my camera to connect my Kaiser to my PC at home, while I use the supplied cable to connect it to my work PC.
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I wouldn't think it would need to be tested. As per this page:
If the audio adapter and hard wired headset are compatible across all HTC devices (per HTC themselves), then that confirms that the pinout of the audio side is the same. And it's been mentioned earlier that the data side follows the mini-usb standard, which I can confirm: I'm using the usb cable from my camera to connect my Kaiser to my PC at home, while I use the supplied cable to connect it to my work PC.
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I would like to use my old Himalaya MDA II Hands Free DSP Car Kit for my new Kaiser (as that I only have to buy a passive holder).
I tried to find a ExtUSB 11-lead Pre-wired Connector Plug ....but it is impossible..any suggestions?
It should be something like this one http://www.gomadic.com/comip10leadp.html
Sorry, can't help you there.
enigmaneo said:
So that would explain when I use GPS in the car with my old RAZR charger why the battery still drains. Darn, looks like I'll have to buy a new car charger.
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I am experiencing a similar issue with an USB/car adapter and the USB cable that came with the Tilt.
Ran Google Maps yesterday with GPS on and when I got home my phone was almost empty. It was charging the whole time in the car though.
Does this mean I should look for another USB cable that is shorting those pins?
What about these adapters that plug into the phone and allow you to connect a USB cable for charging and a 3.5mm audio plug?
http://cgi.ebay.com/HTC-3in1-USB-3-...ryZ15040QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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I am experiencing a similar issue with an USB/car adapter and the USB cable that came with the Tilt.
Ran Google Maps yesterday with GPS on and when I got home my phone was almost empty. It was charging the whole time in the car though.
Does this mean I should look for another USB cable that is shorting those pins?
What about these adapters that plug into the phone and allow you to connect a USB cable for charging and a 3.5mm audio plug?
http://cgi.ebay.com/HTC-3in1-USB-3-...ryZ15040QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Mmm, that is a unique piece!! But the cable seems somewhat short.
I think at the end..I am going to combine following pieces to make the final connection to my old handsfree carkit.. (I hate soldering)
http://i.expansys.com/i/b/b139762.jpg
http://www.allekabels.nl/Kroonsteentjes/35/3249/Kroonsteen.html
http://www.allekabels.nl/Monitor-Kabels/19/1342/Monitor-Kabel.html
Any problems with me using my old Razr car charger on my Kaiser? Typically I charge mine every night with the standard charger but in case of emergency I'd like to use my Razr car charger
Thanks
In answer to the original question, yes, pins 4 & 5 are shorted on the OEM charger that ships with the Tilts, thus enabling it to fast-charge the phone at currents greater than 500ma.
Hopefully this helps,
--W5i2
I'm having a problem with my Tilt (WM 6.1). When I go to charge it with a car charger or a wall charger, the mini usb port on my Tilt won't recognize the charger.
I know it works, because when I put it in my docking station to connect it to my PC it works just fine. It will sync and charge. It also works with headphones.
I've checked the chargers and they charge other phones with mini usb ports but not mine, I've gone to the AT&T store to try new chargers and ask for help with no luck.
What's wrong?
same with mine. check your mini usb port, the terminal might be broken. mightve been when it was dark and stuck the stylus in there by mistake instead of the resest button. thats what happened to mine
Hi to everyone. Sorry if I will not be brief, but this problem makes me going crazy.
My previous phone died prematurely, so I bought a shiny Oneplus 3T and I'm very satisfied with it. Problem is, that this new piece of technology has an USB-C connector instead of the good old microUSB one.
In my car (Opel) I put an USB extension cable from the Android Auto unit (Intellilink r4.0) to the inside of the center arm, and since now I used that cable to connect my previous phone to the unit. Cable is 1.8 m long (about 5 ft for English people) and worked very well.
Now there goes the trouble: to connect my new OnePlus, I bought a simple microUSB to C adapter... it works very well at home with my PC but... Android Auto unit doesn't recognize the phone.
It says "connect the USB cable". At the same time, phone is charging, so power is connected to it.
Ok, maybe there are inconsistencies with the USB converter, I thought.
So I purchased a USB A to C cable, 1.8 m long (just like my previous normal microUSB one).
No way. Unit insists to not recognize the connection!?
Now, to cut this long thing out... I tried any combination of things, extenders, adapters... the only way to make things work is to use max a 1 m (3,3 ft) long USB A to C cable. No longer than that. Neither with a short extension cable.
But with 1 m I can't reach the center arm! I need at least 1.2/1.4 m (4-4.5 ft) cable lenght.
So, this is it. Who can be the culprit? AA head unit? Or perhaps Oneplus 3T has a "weak" USB?
I wonder if anyone has experienced issues like this... and if there are workarounds. :fingers-crossed:
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Hi to everyone. Sorry if I will not be brief, but this problem makes me going crazy.
My previous phone died prematurely, so I bought a shiny Oneplus 3T and I'm very satisfied with it. Problem is, that this new piece of technology has an USB-C connector instead of the good old microUSB one.
In my car (Opel) I put an USB extension cable from the Android Auto unit (Intellilink r4.0) to the inside of the center arm, and since now I used that cable to connect my previous phone to the unit. Cable is 1.8 m long (about 5 ft for English people) and worked very well.
Now there goes the trouble: to connect my new OnePlus, I bought a simple microUSB to C adapter... it works very well at home with my PC but... Android Auto unit doesn't recognize the phone.
It says "connect the USB cable". At the same time, phone is charging, so power is connected to it.
Ok, maybe there are inconsistencies with the USB converter, I thought.
So I purchased a USB A to C cable, 1.8 m long (just like my previous normal microUSB one).
No way. Unit insists to not recognize the connection!?
Now, to cut this long thing out... I tried any combination of things, extenders, adapters... the only way to make things work is to use max a 1 m (3,3 ft) long USB A to C cable. No longer than that. Neither with a short extension cable.
But with 1 m I can't reach the center arm! I need at least 1.2/1.4 m (4-4.5 ft) cable lenght.
So, this is it. Who can be the culprit? AA head unit? Or perhaps Oneplus 3T has a "weak" USB?
I wonder if anyone has experienced issues like this... and if there are workarounds. :fingers-crossed:
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Some of the specs for USB-C cables are less than 1m, depending on what the other connection/adapter is. I guess your PC & car outlets are different specs.
See
http://www.cypress.com/knowledge-ba...ngth-cables-usb-type-c-applications-kba204034
Or maybe your cable is not certified so may be more sensitive to outside interference eg from ignition system.
Uhmmm... very interesting information. I'll try to borrow a "certified" cable. Since now, I tried with normal cables (4 different sizes and brand) to no avail (more than 1 m lenght).
Thanks!
jonsat said:
Uhmmm... very interesting information. I'll try to borrow a "certified" cable. Since now, I tried with normal cables (4 different sizes and brand) to no avail (more than 1 m lenght).
Thanks!
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Check what is the spec of your USB outlets on car and PC, are they different? Then cable may not make any difference to your result.
I'd think that if you have a will known brand cable it would be certified. The "full feature" cables have a chip inside that the device reads, it then sends data etc to that spec. I'm not really up to date with this stuff anymore.....
By the way, my new phone is a Oneplus 3T and I discovered that has many problems with AA in general. And (perhaps) even an USB-C port not completely complying to the standard.
Still, I will try other brands of cables in search of the good one.
Thanks again
Hi,
I had exactly the same issue as you but with the One Plus 3. Had a couple of aftermarket cables (USB - A to C). Sometimes, it connected for about 1-2 minutes but then i had to disconnect and reconnect the cable. Not fun when you are driving.
Also have an Opel (2017 Astra Sports Tourer K) with the Navi900. The only way i found out to solve this issue was to use the original, red cable that comes with the phone. Since i didn't want to lose the Dash charging or, everytime carry the cable with me, i bought a second cable (1,0m) from Oneplus store.
After i did that, i never had disconnections or problems recognizing the phone. 2 weeks driving with various amount of driving time and so far, zero issues.
Also helps if you are using any battery saving apps like greenify or droid optimizer, that you whitelist the android auto app from the auto closing ( i know there's a better name for it).
Hope it helps.
Thanks for your contribution, inccubbus. I think I read a post from you in Oneplus forum, perhaps.
Fact is that 1 mt cable to me is short, I was using 2 mt with my previous phone (LG with microusb port) and no problems at all! Perhaps I may try with the new 1,5 mt red cable from Oneplus store.
But all of this is just ridicolous. Adapters won't work... in example I tried a 20 cm microusb cable with adapter to usb-c and (guess what) no connection!? I start to think that Oneplus is the culprit.
No problem mate. Sorry to hear that you need a longer cable. Before I bought the OnePlus "official" cable, I bought a total of 4 cables from different brands and lengths. 50cm, 1m, 1,8m and 2m. Total of about 60€ to find out that I needed the one cable I already had.
This is borderline ridiculous. Never tried the original because... No fast charge in the car. Duh.
Hope that the official cable works for you. Fingers crossed!
I must add that, even with a short cable, connection drops every now and then with AA freezing.
Another known Oneplus 3T issue...
One thing that occurred to me: do you also have turned on the "automatically connect with Bluetooth" option? I did a test with that option on and the cable connected and, almost like clockwork, every 3-4 minutes I'd lose the connection. Turned that option off and everything came back to"normal".
Did some research and that option is only for cars that don't have a display/Android auto compatibility so the phone screen is the interface.
Sorry if I am writing something that all knew but, in the options doesn't say anything. I was under the impression that I could "cast" the phone to the display without needing the cable. Like Chromecast
@inccubbus, I noticed that issue... but nevertheless I have trouble of disconnections even without checking "automatically connect with BT". However, I have also a BT headset, and if that BT setting is enabled it will disconnects the headset too every few minutes. AA software is very rough.
@jonsat @inccubbus
Just come across this browsing, interesting
https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2016/02/cheap-usb-c-cables-could-kill-your-phone-or-laptop/
Not sure if this will be applicable to anyone else, but just in case. I started to get connection issues between my Nexus 6p and Pioneer stereo via the cable. Tried multiple cables, but all had the same issue to differing degrees. Then realised there was some lint in the phone USB c port, so cleaned it out with a tooth pick. That seems to have fixed it.
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IronRoo said:
@jonsat @inccubbus
Just come across this browsing, interesting
https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2016/02/cheap-usb-c-cables-could-kill-your-phone-or-laptop/
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Yes, very interesting although not directly related to topic. Thanks anyway.
Very interesting indeed. Even though the prices of the "aftermarket" cables I purchased were even more expensive than the OnePlus originals, I see what the article mean. Most people think they are just cables but, capacitance, impedance, amperage... All of these things usually are not "copied" from the original and can cause serious damage, since they need to be "universal" and suit different brands/models with different needs.
Thanks for sharing the article! I almost see the link with the issue discussed here.
Btw, I had one random disconnection on Sunday in the final 5 minutes of a 1 hour drive.
Disconnected the cable, reconnected it and, since then, 2 hours of driving with zero disconnections. I really can't find a pattern for these things.
jonsat said:
Hi to everyone. Sorry if I will not be brief, but this problem makes me going crazy.
My previous phone died prematurely, so I bought a shiny Oneplus 3T and I'm very satisfied with it. Problem is, that this new piece of technology has an USB-C connector instead of the good old microUSB one.
In my car (Opel) I put an USB extension cable from the Android Auto unit (Intellilink r4.0) to the inside of the center arm, and since now I used that cable to connect my previous phone to the unit. Cable is 1.8 m long (about 5 ft for English people) and worked very well.
Now there goes the trouble: to connect my new OnePlus, I bought a simple microUSB to C adapter... it works very well at home with my PC but... Android Auto unit doesn't recognize the phone.
It says "connect the USB cable". At the same time, phone is charging, so power is connected to it.
Ok, maybe there are inconsistencies with the USB converter, I thought.
So I purchased a USB A to C cable, 1.8 m long (just like my previous normal microUSB one).
No way. Unit insists to not recognize the connection!?
Now, to cut this long thing out... I tried any combination of things, extenders, adapters... the only way to make things work is to use max a 1 m (3,3 ft) long USB A to C cable. No longer than that. Neither with a short extension cable.
But with 1 m I can't reach the center arm! I need at least 1.2/1.4 m (4-4.5 ft) cable lenght.
So, this is it. Who can be the culprit? AA head unit? Or perhaps Oneplus 3T has a "weak" USB?
I wonder if anyone has experienced issues like this... and if there are workarounds. :fingers-crossed:
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I don't have a OnePlus 3T, but my phone has a USB C connection (I have a ZTE ZMax Pro) and I haven't had any issues with the connections to AA (other than USB C is harder to plug in and unplug than before). I have a couple different USB C cables - one about 3-5 feet long, and the other about one foot - and both work fine. I'd guess your cables were the culprit. Hope this worked out for you!
EDIT: Oops, didn't read the replies so I see that my post was absolutely non-helpful. Sorry!
Hi all,
I have an XZ1 compact (Model G8441 non-root) that I'm very happy with, but I can't get it to charge wirelessly.
I bought an adapter with a USB-C plug and it worked to charge the phone at first, but it suddenly stopped working after a few charges.
I figured I had a fault with either the wireless receiver that plugs into the phone or the charger pad.
I tested the receiver via a micro-USB adapter on my old Z5 compact and it charges fine. I also bought another charger pad, and it also won't work on this phone.
When the phone is on the charger pad, the indicator on the pad recognises that something is there and goes from green to blinking red as if charging, but nothing happens on the phone.
If the phone is completely switched off, all I get is a blinking green LED on the phone.
I've tried it with the case on and off.
There have been three updates since I got the phone a few weeks ago. Is it possible that an Oreo software update has broken the low power charging somehow?
Obviously I've rebooted the phone, but I haven't done a factory reset.
I'd appreciate any help you could offer.
You could indeed try downgrading the phone to determine if it's a firmware/software issue or a hardware issue.
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I have an XZ1 compact (Model G8441 non-root) that I'm very happy with, but I can't get it to charge wirelessly.
I bought an adapter with a USB-C plug and it worked to charge the phone at first, but it suddenly stopped working after a few charges.
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I'm confused. The XZ1 Compact doesn't have wireless charging. What did you buy to wirelessly charge it? Something that plugs into the USB port and then sits on a wireless charger?
Averix said:
I'm confused. The XZ1 Compact doesn't have wireless charging. What did you buy to wirelessly charge it? Something that plugs into the USB port and then sits on a wireless charger?
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Yes, I bought a wireless adapter with a USB-C plug that connects to the phone & lays against the back of the phone inside the case. You then place it on a wireless charging pad.
I've done the same thing with several other phones & never had a problem.
Didn't see it explicitly mentioned, did you try using a different USB-C adapter cable? Since the micro USB cable works, we can safely assume the pad's fine. But I didn't see you cross test another type c cable.
Solved
Hi all,
I managed to fix the problem by replacing the QI receiver attached to the phone with a new one.
Strange that the old one worked if I connected it to a different phone via an adapter (and that it worked to begin with on my phone).
It must have had a problem where it couldn't output enough voltage to charge my new phone, but had enough to charge the old one.
Thanks for your help.
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Didn't see it explicitly mentioned, did you try using a different USB-C adapter cable? Since the micro USB cable works, we can safely assume the pad's fine. But I didn't see you cross test another type c cable.
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What I had changed was the charger pad. I tried two different ones, a USB-C powered one and a micro USB powered one. Neither worked.
I have a new QI receiver on order.