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If i backup my apps in the SD, will they appear when in my new rom?

Just a quick yes or no?

XabdullahX said:
Just a quick yes or no?
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it depends. are you using apps2sd or are you just backing them up on your fat32 partition?

grandomegabosses said:
it depends. are you using apps2sd or are you just backing them up on your fat32 partition?
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I am using apps2sd, and i backup my ext3 partition... Which i restore in the new rom.

Then a quick Yes
Yes. if you are using apps2sd your apps are stored in the ext partition. as long as that is not wiped prior to flashing a new rom (that has apps2sd automatically) they will appear in the new rom.

depends on what rom you are coming from and going to. a standard cm upgrade and they should be there, if you are changing roms completely (especially cm to hero or vice versa) you will probably run into issues.

[Q] difference between apps2sd and apps2ext

I am a noob and have recently discovered android and wanted to know that what is the difference between apps2sd and apps2ext????

mahroze said:
I am a noob and have recently discovered android and wanted to know that what is the difference between apps2sd and apps2ext????
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I think your talking about the difference between apps to ext or froyo's built in apps to fat?
if so:
apps to ext tricks the os into thinking that a special ext partition on your sd card is your data partition. this way all app data goes to the sd card and saves your data partition completely.
pros:
all apps are compatible
no data space used on the data partition
the phone thinks its saving apps internally
Apps are very accessible for backup
cons:
you have to format and partition your sd card (this really isent hard and can be done in recovery)
if the sd card is pulled, mounted to the computer, or dies, you cannot access your apps.
you have to specify an exact amount of space on the sd card dedicated to apps that can no longer be used as storage space(unless you use linux I suppose... but it would be pointless to save stuff there besides apps)
apps rely on the speed of the sd (this usually isn't a problem though)
not all roms support it. (there are usually work arounds though)
Froyo apps to sd puts the bulk of the app onto the regular partition of your sd card (no special formatting required) but still saves data to the data partition.
pros:
saves space on the data partition
no special formatting is needed
is more secure for app developers
because you dont need the extra partition, you'll have more free sd card space.
cons:
still uses some space internally which isn't bad unless you have a crazy amount of apps or some very large data hogs.
if the sd card is pulled, mounted to the computer, or dies, you cannot access your apps.
apps rely on the speed of the sd (this usually isn't a problem though)
only Froyo roms support it
the internal memory is the fastest best place for apps, but if you need more space then by all means try one of the above methods
they both get the job done in their own way.

firefly6240 said:
I think your talking about the difference between apps to ext or froyo's built in apps to fat?
if so:
apps to ext tricks the os into thinking that a special ext partition on your sd card is your data partition. this way all app data goes to the sd card and saves your data partition completely.
pros:
all apps are compatible
no data space used on the data partition
the phone thinks its saving apps internally
Apps are very accessible for backup
cons:
you have to format and partition your sd card (this really isent hard and can be done in recovery)
if the sd card is pulled, mounted to the computer, or dies, you cannot access your apps.
you have to specify an exact amount of space on the sd card dedicated to apps that can no longer be used as storage space(unless you use linux I suppose... but it would be pointless to save stuff there besides apps)
apps rely on the speed of the sd (this usually isn't a problem though)
not all roms support it. (there are usually work arounds though)
Froyo apps to sd puts the bulk of the app onto the regular partition of your sd card (no special formatting required) but still saves data to the data partition.
pros:
saves space on the data partition
no special formatting is needed
is more secure for app developers
because you dont need the extra partition, you'll have more free sd card space.
cons:
still uses some space internally which isn't bad unless you have a crazy amount of apps or some very large data hogs.
if the sd card is pulled, mounted to the computer, or dies, you cannot access your apps.
apps rely on the speed of the sd (this usually isn't a problem though)
only Froyo roms support it
the internal memory is the fastest best place for apps, but if you need more space then by all means try one of the above methods
they both get the job done in their own way.
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thanx for the info but how do i partition my sd card so that apps can be transfered

There is an option in recovery to partition sdcard. U will lose everything on it though so save what u want to the computer. Backup your apps with titanium backup or equivalent. And as always do a nandroid backup in recovery and save to your computer as well with titanium backup u made before u repartition. If u need ext 3 or for there are options for that in recovery too.
Edit: put backups back on SD after partitioning so u have your nandroid just in case and can restore apps in titanium
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johnson8cyl said:
There is an option in recovery to partition sdcard. U will lose everything on it though so save what u want to the computer. Backup your apps with titanium backup or equivalent. And as always do a nandroid backup in recovery and save to your computer as well with titanium backup u made before u repartition. If u need ext 3 or for there are options for that in recovery too.
Edit: put backups back on SD after partitioning so u have your nandroid just in case and can restore apps in titanium
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could guide me through a step by step process on how to partition the sdcard through recovery and then to transfer apps to the sdcard....thanx in advance

mahroze said:
could guide me through a step by step process on how to partition the sdcard through recovery and then to transfer apps to the sdcard....thanx in advance
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What recovery do u have?
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johnson8cyl said:
What recovery do u have?
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Build : RA-dream-v.1.5.2

U should get 1.7.0. Just my opinion. U should have an option to partition your SD. Once u start its self explanatory really. Just make sure u do everything I told u before about the backups and saving to your computer so u don't lose anything important as it will completely wipe your card clean. What Tom are u trying to flash afterwards?
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johnson8cyl said:
U should get 1.7.0. Just my opinion. U should have an option to partition your SD. Once u start its self explanatory really. Just make sure u do everything I told u before about the backups and saving to your computer so u don't lose anything important as it will completely wipe your card clean. What Tom are u trying to flash afterwards?
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maybe CM 6.1 or the Froyo for trout

U will have to check the first page of the rom and see if u need an ext 3 or 4 partition. Apps to SD should be automatic if u set it up the way they tell u as far as partitioning. Just do everything I told u and u should be good
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johnson8cyl said:
U will have to check the first page of the rom and see if u need an ext 3 or 4 partition. Apps to SD should be automatic if u set it up the way they tell u as far as partitioning. Just do everything I told u and u should be good
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hey man thanx for all the help but i have one problem though I have the firerats patch file but i cant seem to run it via adb but it says cannot open could you guide me through

What are u trying to do with the patch? U should have it on your sdcard and be running commands in the terminal not adb.
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johnson8cyl said:
What are u trying to do with the patch? U should have it on your sdcard and be running commands in the terminal not adb.
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thanx man i realized that i was entering the name of the patch file wrong

How do I convert my SD card to SD-EXT & swap file WITHOUT losing apps?

Hi,
I have the N1 with SD card in FAT32, and most apps were moved to SD using App2SD, and I am rooted.
I hear that EXT3 or 4 gives me advantages.
How can I convert my current SD card to a partitioned, swapped, EXT3 or 4 card, and keep all my apps working?
Can I just copy the SD contents to my Mac, then use Amon, then restore the SD and it'll all magically work, or will I lose all my apps by copying the SD contents to Mac?
Also please advise the ideal swap size and other sizes when partitioning in Amon.

Can I suggest you titanium backup for prevent losing app's preferences?
Make a full backup of all apps with tb then copy all your sd on computer and you're ready to partition or wipe and flashing all u want!
For me 0mb of swap and 1024mb of ext3/4 works great!! I'm with cg7 so I'm able to use s2e, it's really a greate app, search it on market !
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nekobus said:
Can I suggest you titanium backup for prevent losing app's preferences?
Make a full backup of all apps with tb then copy all your sd on computer and you're ready to partition or wipe and flashing all u want!
For me 0mb of swap and 1024mb of ext3/4 works great!! I'm with cg7 so I'm able to use s2e, it's really a greate app, search it on market !
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You can definitely copy all of the files on are SD to another computer. I would always backup those up from time to time.
My personal preference is to boot my laptop using a USB drive with Ubuntu on it. Then I can use gpartd to repartition without recopying the data (BACKUP ANYWAY!).
gpartd allows resizing and creating partitions while maintaining the data.
I created a 512MB partition (no swap) and used S2E to move all my apps from the FAT32 partition. Worked great.

Thanks, I tried as you both suggested and succeeded with relatively few problems.
How do I actually click 'Go' in S2E. I have checked the box 'Applications', but I can't see how to actually make it 'Start' moving them. Or does it just happen automagically on reboot?

One added thought--
I prefer sdformatter to format card. I find after redoing sdcard from time to time with this flashing mania, that the phone does not format as cleanly and remnants are left behind--can cause issues
Ken

CJSnet said:
Thanks, I tried as you both suggested and succeeded with relatively few problems.
How do I actually click 'Go' in S2E. I have checked the box 'Applications', but I can't see how to actually make it 'Start' moving them. Or does it just happen automagically on reboot?
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Check the box, then reboot.
And you're good to go.
Remember to move back apps from SD to internal (internal is now your SD-ext)
And don't forget to set install location to internal in CMsettings
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If you got a computer with a Linux distribution, you may use gparted and resize your partition without any need to format it entirely ;-)

[Q] new to cyanogenmod + Titanium Backup + Link2SD

Hey,
I have decided to give CyanogenMod a go for the first time.
I've been rooted for some time now - running a stock Gingerbread 2.3.4 rooted.
I've heard so many good things about CyanogenMod and I have had an itch for a bit of a change, that I decided now is a good time to give it a try.
I was hoping you guys might be able to help me clarify a few things first though.
I have Link2SD installed and setup. I have linked a couple of apps using and I was wondering if anyone knows how it works with Titanium Backup?
What I was hoping to be able to do was:
Code:
1)
Make a back up of some of my apps + their data using Titanium Backup - Some of these apps have been moved using Link2SD
2)
Install ClockworkMod Recovery and make a full nandroid backup.
3)
Make a backup of all the contents on my SD card - from the fat32 partition primarily.
4)
Install CyanongenMod using ROM Manager
5)
Redo the ext2 partition on my SD card and reinstall Link2SD once CyanogenMod has been installed
6)
Reinstall Titanium Backup and restore all the apps I backed up.
I was hoping that by doing the above I could hang onto all the custom settings I have in some of the apps.
For the apps that have been linked using Link2SD, will Titanium backup restore them properly as long as that ext2 partition on the SD card is there?? Or am I going to run into issues?
I have done some searching on these forums but there seems to be no clear cut answer.
Any help or advice would greatly be appreciated!
Thank you

You'll be fine - just make a full Titanium backup and a nandroid (just in case).
Do a full wipe, install CM with gapps, install your apps2sd, then restore your Titanium backup...

Titanium Backup will just restore the apps to the /data partition (or the ext if you have app2sdext enabled), but since link2sd is setting up individual symlinks for each app, those probably won't be carried over when you restore with Titanium Backup. You will have to redo those apps. But this may be time to look into a full app2sdext option. It is much simpler than link2sd and there aren't any noticeable performance hits (unless you do data2sd).

Good catch bass - I missed the Link2SD detail!

@danger-rat @bassmadrigal
Thank you guys for giving me some advice.. it is much appreciated!
So the app2sdext option can be done using dark tremor?
I was looking at dark tremor previously when I was trying to decide what method to use to relink apps.
Do you guys know of a good tutorial to go about setting it up? Is it done pre install of Cyanogen? Or post install?
My other concern about moving apps to the SD card using methods like link2sd and dark tremor is recently I had a situation where my ext2 partitions filesystem actually became corrupted. I ended up having to a 'fsck' on it to repair it ( I am pretty sure I got lucky with that ). Using the app2sdext do I still have the options to decide what I move to my SD card?

You can use Darktremor or S2E as the popular methods. S2E is a bit more intuitive (its an app in the market, with a front end GUI).
Install after you've installed CM.
As far as corrupt cards, just make sure you backup from time to time. Titanium or nandroid should do the trick. The advantage of having an ext partition is that once you have the partition, you can reformat it without losing your regular SD partition...

i would also recommend S2E, recently went from dt to
s2e and its working great.
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I remember seeing you mention s2e once before! At the time though I couldn't use it since I wasn't running CyanogenMod
That sounds like a good plan.
What do you think of this
Code:
1)
Do a Titanium Backup of my apps+their data
(including ones that have been moved using link2sd)
2)
When I install CyanogenMod, setup and install s2e
3)
Install Titanium Backup and start recovering my apps.
Since Titanium Backup should restore apps linked via
link2sd back to the default /data directory, I should just
be able to relink them using the s2e method?
I was wondering something else to actually.
@danger-rat you have mentioned in the past that you do not like the most recent version of the ClockworkMod recovery due to stability and reliability issues (I have seen a few other people say this as well). If this is still the case, can you recommend a version to install? From Rom Manager itself, can you choose a different version of ClockworkMod recovery to install?
Sorry for all the questions!
EDIT ------------------------------------------------
Just after I posted this I noticed there is an option in Rom Manager "All ClockworkMod Recoveries" - It looks like this option will allow me to install older version of ClockworkMod?

I use CWM 2.5.1.4 and install via ROM Manager, just as you suggested...

Thank you sir for suggesting a version and confirming I can do it via ROM manager.
Hopefully I can try this in the next couple days. Will report back success/epic failures!
Thank you baseballfanz as well!
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Why posting a question in general section???
Thread moved.

hey sorry I wanted to ask one more question...
Since I plan on implementing s2e I will have to reformat my ext2 partition to ext3 or 4 (I think it said ext4..)
My question is, what should I do with my fat32 partition?
After I backup all the data on it, should I reformat it as well? Then after I get CyanogenMod installed, move back only what is important - Titanium backup directory for example? Or copy everything that was on it. There will probably be a lot of useless/old files on there that aren't really useful.
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Sorry Mr.Clown for posting in wrong section.. I'll post correctly next time!

i went from dt a2sd to s2e with no need to redo anything on my sd card. i had ext4 already.
if you use amon ra you can change ext 2 to ext 3 or ext 4.

Sorry, I was gone all day and away from a computer. Glad others chimed in. But to start, S2E and DarkTremor's a2sd both are not selective on which apps are installed to the sdcard. It is an all or nothing approach. That is the difference between app2sdext and link2sd. With S2E, you just install it and open the app. Select the checkboxes to move apps to the sdcard and then I recommend moving the dalvik cache as well (as it takes a lot of space). Reboot, and any apps you install/restore will be automagically put on the sdext partition.
And to answer your last question, if you already have an ext partition on your card, there is no reason to change it. It may say ext 3 or 4 is needed, but I am running ext2 on mine without any issues (I have been too lazy to take the time to change it). Just make sure the ext partition is wiped (which can be done in recovery under Mounts and Storage). The fat32 can be wiped, but it isn't necessary. Although, if it has been awhile, you may want to consider it, just to get rid of some of the stupid folders that devs can't figure out how to keep them out of the root of the card.

@bassmadrigal
thanks for the response man!
All or nothing eh? I will give it a try and hope for the best! At least then I will have more flexibility in the amount of apps that I can have!
I think I will just reformat the entire card since it has been a while. There is so much stuff on the card now I don't really know what is what anymore. I will keep a back up of it though juuuust in case.
I think the ext2 partition might have some files left over from link2sd so I think I might wipe it out as well and start again.
I have since removed all the apps I moved using link2sd just to calm my nerves a little bit (ha!).
I am currently trying to purchase titanium backup but it looks like maybe the market is having issues. It is stuck on "Authorizing purchase..." seems like a few people have had this.
In the mean time I will install the recovery image and do a nandroid backup!

Just as an FYI, if you redo your partitions (ie repartitioning your sdcard through the recovery), that will erase and format both partitions. I think by default, clockworkmod will do an ext2 partition, whereas Amon_RA gives you the option between ext3 and ext4. One thing to keep in mind, in the past, with ClockworkMod v3.x, it had been known to cause issues with partitioning cards. I don't know if that has been fixed in the v5.x, but I know it doesn't exist in v2.x and it also works properly in Amon_RA.
All or nothing really isn't a bad approach. I have a class 4 32GB Sandisk, and I don't seem to have any speed problems. Then, with some of the apps that have a large amount of data, I will move those individually with Titanium Backup. Two big ones are Google Earth (16MB of frickin data), and Firefox (I don't remember how much, but it is still a large amount). But I had to move those because I was running out of room in my internal memory (I have a lot of apps installed).

I was actually just about to update this thread!
I have been busy since my last post!
I have since installed clockworkmod recovery, done my backups, installed cyanogenmod, and am just in the process of going through it.
I FINALLY got titanium backup pro key to install.. I think there must have been something wrong between google and the titanium backup app, but after like 2 hours of trying it finally went through!
I think I am okay with the "All or nothing approach" as well. I know now that I need to start to take backups WAY more serious! So if I ever run into a situation where my ext partition dies, I won't be devastated!
I think what I will end up doing is reformatting it all tomorrow at work. I will turn the phone off, remove SD card, format using a Linux system at work, place card back in and go from there.
To restore my ROM Manager backup and my Titanium Backups I just have to copy those folders back to the SD card (after the format) from the backup I made of the SD card prior to formatting it (sorry if I am sounding repetitive, I can't tell if what I am saying will make sense to anyone other then myself lol + plus I am EXHAUSTED!)
That's awesome though its working for you. I have a class 10 8 gig kingston SDcard and so far its been great!
So when I setup s2e (I have it installed, but not configured!) I should select the check boxes "Applications, Private apps, and Dalvic Cache"?
You mentioned that you use Titanium Backup to move certain apps like Google Earth... I was just wondering in what direction you were moving them? From the phone to the SDcard, or from the SDcard to the phone? Sorry for probably another really stupid question I just wanted to make sure I was following you correctly!
Thank you again for all your help though. Things have gone smoothly so far

In S2E move applications, private apps, dalvik cache and optional too download cache.
As for moving data to sd card individually by Titanium, you are moving the data from internal memory to sd card

Yes, all you need to do is copy those folders back, but if you restore any of your nandroid backups, you will reset everything in your system back to the time before you installed S2E. So, I would only do that as a last resort. But, Titanium Backup does not have that limitation. It is just restoring the data to whatever the system is setup to do.
Once you do get everything up and running properly, it would be beneficial to do a nandroid. But as far as a lot of backups, you can set TB to run on a schedule to back up your phone every so often while you are asleep. And then, I just make sure I do a nandroid before I flash ANYTHING.
And ditto for what baseballfanz said. I never bothered with the download cache, as that is stored on a different partition within the phone (the /cache partition). Unless you resize all your partitions, it is probably pointless to move it. And yes, I am moving the data (ie the saved games/settings etc) for the app to the sdext partition with Titanium Backup, but you probably won't need to do this for a while (I have 213 user apps installed according to TB).

@bassmadrigal and @baseballfanz
Thanks guys for all your advice!
Sorry for the million's of question, I'm learning a lot from you guys though!
So.. Cheers!
Nandroid is similar to Acronis (imaging software) for PC so I definitely follow you when you say that restoring an Nandroid backup will erase anything I have done since doing that particular backup.
Good to know that moving those folders back onto the SDcard is all I have to do so now reformatting the card isn't as scary! Oh and I have to make sure I grab the Titanium Backup License file - Sorry I just read this is the old method!
I will definitely take your advice and produce a Nandroid backup once everything is up and running just in case! I have been thinking about it and I figured I could automate a backup of the Titanium Backup folder and the clockworkmod folder by using the rSync app. I could just copy everything to my NAS during the night, which would ensure I have two physical copies just incase my SD card decides to dead.
thanks for clarifying the direction of the data being moved using titanium backup. I figured it was that but wanted to be sure. I still have a lot of learning to do with that app to get fully familiar with it!
I'll be setting up my two new partition today and hopefully I can start restoring apps later this afternoon. Will report back my status.
Thanks again for the help!
cheers

Any other solution than Link2sd

Hi everyone, I wonder is there any other way to partition the sdcard to move app to SD card other than link2sd. Because whenever I install a room cook,I always flash my X8 to room stock,then root,xrecovery, and partition the SD card to install link2sd (I used 8GB class6 sdcard) . But I also know that if I partition the sdcard too much it would be harmful for the sd card. So I want to know is there any other way to have more space to install app to X8 without partition the Sd card? Or if anyone know how to install another room without having to wipe everything including the data (which means I have to partition the card again) ?
sorry about my English grammar. It's not my first language

The answers are.
1.No there is no other way to increase your internal memory without partitioning your SD card.
2.if you don't want to install all apps again and again then either use the batch feature of titanium backup or first make. Nandroid backup of your ROM after installing all the apps.
now when you switch to another ROM then go to recovery --> backup and restore--> advanced restore and then click restore data..
Hope that it works for you.
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dagger said:
now when you switch to another ROM then go to recovery --> backup and restore--> advanced restore and then click restore data..
Hope that it works for you.
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Will this work when I am going from gb to ics?
see boot animation without rebooting

azntitanik said:
Hi everyone, I wonder is there any other way to partition the sdcard to move app to SD card other than link2sd. Because whenever I install a room cook,I always flash my X8 to room stock,then root,xrecovery, and partition the SD card to install link2sd (I used 8GB class6 sdcard) . But I also know that if I partition the sdcard too much it would be harmful for the sd card. So I want to know is there any other way to have more space to install app to X8 without partition the Sd card? Or if anyone know how to install another room without having to wipe everything including the data (which means I have to partition the card again) ?
sorry about my English grammar. It's not my first language
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android's native app to fat partition maybe useful for you .
I never use link2sd & I never ran out of internal memory ,how? Simply I install all games on sdcard(i mean android_secure folder) & leave apps in internal ,recommanded .just try this way and you'll see how much free space remains for you
dagger said:
The answers are.
1.No there is no other way to increase your internal memory without partitioning your SD card.
2.if you don't want to install all apps again and again then either use the batch feature of titanium backup or first make. Nandroid backup of your ROM after installing all the apps.
now when you switch to another ROM then go to recovery --> backup and restore--> advanced restore and then click restore data..
Hope that it works for you.
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OR
Do not press full wipe in recovery & do cache/system wipes manually
Gogeta said:
Will this work when I am going from gb to ics?
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You may soft brick your rom (personal experiance)(diffrent kernel , source codes ,etc)
& I'm sorry for my english too
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