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Did any Americans on this forum vote for the bush?
Personally I hope not......
wonder how many recounts they do this time around ?
and maybe a trail ?
read about there being very many activists trying to keep people from voting this time
flyers saying the election had been moved to the day after
and
people comming round to peoples doors saying that the election place they were to go to had been shutdown and they could just write their vote in and give it to them
pretty crazy well suppose some people care more about who win then the democratic process
I'm sure there are some.
The fact that the rest of the world was hoping Kerry would win, has little influence to the us-citizens. Like we should care what America thinks of who we should vote for.
I just hope that this victory, doesn't give Bush a carte-blanche on his foreign policy. The fact that he no longer has to worry about getting re-elected won't help his diplomatic powers. He also doesn't have to care anymore about men coming home in body bags. These men believing they fought for freedom, democracy and the glory of the US, but in fact only went to defend the intrest of some multinationals.
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Did any Americans on this forum vote for the bush?
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Statistically, one out of two.
Not sure your question is really inocent though :roll:
I think you like hot & touchy thread
The fact that the rest of the world was hoping Kerry would win, has little influence to the us-citizens. Like we should care what America thinks of who we should vote for.
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yeah it could even have the opposite effect a lot of people would get stubbern and do the opposite then what some snotnosed rest of the world person would advice
I just hope that this victory, doesn't give Bush a carte-blanche on his foreign policy. The fact that he no longer has to worry about getting re-elected won't help his diplomatic powers. He also doesn't have to care anymore about men coming home in body bags. These men believing they fought for freedom, democracy and the glory of the US, but in fact only went to defend the intrest of some multinationals.
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but how that he dont have to worry about reelection he may begin to worry about how he looks in the history books and be less confrontational agenst the rest of the world when it comes to deplomatics
here a big news papir had a pole
32000 people voted
kerry got 79%
nater got 8%
nobody got 7%
bush got 6%
so one might say that if that pole had been reality bush lost to nobody
Guys,
Please give me 5 specific reason why Kerry should have been elected, concrete issues/reasons, not just buzz words.
Thanks,
paulmc
imho then kerry was less religous in his motivs when it came to politics thinking stemcell research and giving gay people the rights of marriage in some form or another
imho then kerry was less likely to offend and alienate allies and other countries in the world
imho then kerry would not have a prison camp on cuba where the internaitiol laws conserning prisoners of war were not enforced
maybe the kerry administation would have had less % of people being investergated for insider deals and corruption
and finaly then imho then it keeps a better balance if the house of rep
and the senetors and president is not in the hands of a single party
it's more moderated
just a few things i could come up with on the top of my head
of cause there are surely people who differ in openion
Please give me 5 specific reason why Kerry should have been elected, concrete issues/reasons, not just buzz words
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Who said I wanted Kerry to be elected. Its a case of Predator vs Alien. Whoever wins, we lose!
Not sure your question is really inocent though
I think you like hot & touchy thread
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Who, me?
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Not sure your question is really inocent though
I think you like hot & touchy thread
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Who, me?
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Yes
paulmc said:
Guys,
Please give me 5 specific reason why Kerry should have been elected, concrete issues/reasons, not just buzz words.
Thanks,
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I'll give you my personal opinion, conceptual more than practical as I do not live in the US, nor be concerned with elements such as "he voted that" or "he said this".
I think Bush is a dangerous religious totalitarist. I have no reason to vote for Kerry, but plenty to wish that Bush be moved aside from active international politics.
To me this man should not be re-elected as he should be forced into in LaHaye and charged with the 5 following elements against him:
1. Invading a sovereign country in complete violation of all international law, without UN approval, under very suspicious reasons, obviously telling lies about AMD and supposed connection with Ben Ladden
2. When forced to admit the is no connection between Sadam Hussein, Ben Ladden and AMD, thus no reason to invade this country, not even admitting he was wrong or worst, he got cheated or even worse of all, he deliberately lied to his people, to the nations concerned and to the rest of the world.
3. Establishing concentration camp for Afghanistan prisoners in complete violation of international law, and principles, and international treaty without having those prisoners charged of anything, and allowing no international control of what is happening in this camp
4. Sending his army to perpetuated atrocity and humiliation to irakee prisoners who have not even been charged of anything. (Keep in mind that all the US commanding officers in Irak saw before leaving, the French film "The Battle of Alger" showing what France did during the battle of Algeria, were we did exactly what you are doing presently in Iraq because we were facing the same problem). Let's call it what it is Atrocity. And we know what we are talking about for we did it too!
5. Legitimating the exclusive right for the US to strike any nations they think be a potential threat to their interest and freedom, and denying any one else the right to do so. This is to me the worst of all as establishing this principle is like opening the box of Pandora. It is open to excess, abuse and one-sided interpretation.
I've put a lot of strong word in my post. Take a moment and think about it
- Why does most of the earth citizen desired that this guy be not elected?
- Why did France, which is one of the FEW developed nations that NEVER started a war against your country and which stood many times with your people to fight all along your history, decided to stand-up and shout so loud.
- Why did my small country (France), which has relative small influence, little to offer and many to loose, be backed up by so many countries in its protest?
The US cannot be right against the rest of the world; else this is not democracy any more.
This is to me the 5 reasons why Kerry should be elected.
What would be 5 reasons to elect Bush?
- Why did France, which is one of the FEW developed nations that NEVER started a war against your country
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so that mean that there are pretty few developed nations since when i think i can mention
briten / canada
mexico
germany
japan
vietnam
koera
who were at war with us
[quote="Rudegarso that mean that there are pretty few developed nations since when i think i can mention
briten / canada
mexico
germany
japan
vietnam
koera
who were at war with us
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Sorry I did not get this ? What is you point ?
If you talk about nations who were officially at war with the US, you can add UK, Italy, Spain, Philippine, Laos. Buy my post was more about Western European nations
i were just wondering which countries had been to war with US since they were formed and you helped me by adding some that i dident remember
IMHO, for me it's kind of obvious why Bush will win... (not that I like to see him win), but remember that ever since Bush started his presidential period, the US where attacked in their own territory, so basically all Bush has done is to govern based on terror, and in the other hand all Kerry has done is negate the terror threat and threaten to reduce the weapons and national security budgets. Ok, it might be true that the terror threat is not that great, but tell that to the American people and I bet they rather not take chances.
So, I think that for the American people, which basically has lived in terror for more than three years, it's imperative that Bush takes care of business, you know, fight for "freedom" in his own selfish pathetic way :evil:
Like the old sayng goes "better safe than sorry"... :roll:
[thought]I wonder why Al Gore didn't run this time? [/thought]
i believe it's rare that a loosing party put the same guy up more then once
popular vote showed that people dident like him too much last time
that he were to unanimated for their taste
hello there ...
to this day, who has not eared the unfortunate fall of Valentino Rossi in Mugello. The truth is that for most of us, fans of the motorcycle world, and many others that are not so "fanatical" to say the least, the news was like a bowl of cold water. And is that Valentino is known far beyond the world of the bike, simply because his nature, always with a smile on his face. Dando show within the circuit, and also out ... as cracks hehe.
My intention was to create a small web in order to gather as many signatures as possible, where people can write their own message of support for "Valen" and then forward them. I'm moving a little to get employees and that the web has the maximum publicity possible and get something, which in my opinion would be very nice. You can do this from www.forzavalentino.com.
I think he deserves this and more for us to enjoy the way we do, almost, by his mere presence. And obviously, here in our house, Ducati, these rumors about him in red next year ... pufff ... That would be something amazing!
Greetings to all!
WebSite: www.forzavalentino.com Comming soon english versión, sorry
Hi All
I very rarely post much on these forums but am hoping for anyone reading this if you can help a little in the following:
As some may know the Hillsborough Anniversary is again fast approaching, on April 15th 1989 96 Liverpool Fans tragically lost their lives that day and after a long & frustrating 22 years the families of those lost are still fighting for the justice that they and the 96 lost deserve, for more information regarding this please follow this link: Welcome to The Hillsborough Justice Campaign
Shortly following the disaster The Sun, one of the biggest selling tabloid newspapers in the UK printed many lies about that tragic day, putting the blame squarely on Liverpool fans and their supposed atrocious behavior, of course all those were sick, vile lies and since that day, Liverpool fans & Liverpudlians including the Everton fanbase have seeked to Boycott that vile newspaper whom still have yet to make any form of sincere apology.
If I can ask for one simple favour; Stephen Smith is a very talented music artist who recently released his album 'Next Train to Nowhere' on the album contains the song 'Liar, Liar' of which he has just released Monday gone (April 4th) in attempt to get it into the charts for the week leading upto the Hillsborough Disaster & there's also been a campaign by fellow Liverpool fans to help get the song into the charts and to raise awareness of not only the lies told by The Sun but to maybe even bring that deserved justice to those family members that one step closer to reality.
We ask that for just a paltry sum of 0.79p to download the song of which as mentioned above can really help bring awareness of the tragedy and what befalled it to a much wider audience and push that fight for justice one step closer to completion.
Not only will you be massively helping families who are still grieving to this day as they still have yet to receive the closure their loved ones deserved but the song in itself is worth purchasing alone written & performed by an exepetionally talented musician.
All proceeds from Liar Liar will be donated to the Hillsborough Family Support Group, Hope for Hillsborough and the Hillsborough Justice Campaign.
Here are the download links:
ITunes - Stephen Smith - Liar, Liar
Amazon.co.uk - Stephen Smith - Liar, Liar
Here's the music video:
Stephen Smith - Liar, Liar
Here's the Facebook Group:
Get 'Liar Liar' into the charts for April 10th
And finally here's Stephen's Website:
http://www.stephensmithmusic.co.uk/#
Apologies also for such a long winded post, thank you for taking the time read this.
JFT96
YNWA
PS: It is sadly currently languishing at 266 in the top300, we need one almighty push up the charts, if you do have the time please Tweet & Facebook this to anyone you know, thanks again for taking the time to read this.
bought.
JFT96!
RIP.
On that sad day, my grandfather, auntie, two uncles and my uncles friend went to watch their team play a game. Only four returned home again.
The events of that day are widely reported and I've never heard them speak of their ordeal.
One of my earliest memories of my uncle was him on crutches for so long afterwards.
You'll never walk alone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster#The_Sun_newspaper
Kevin MacKenzie was the editor at the Heliograph who would invent stories
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin_MacKenzie#Invented_stories
"When I published those stories, they were not lies. They were great stories that later turned out to be untrue — and that is different. What am I supposed to feel ashamed about?"
On 11-11-11 a 10 year old little girl very near to my home felt the need to commit suicide after she was repeatedly bullied at school. Her name was Ashlynn Conner. She was a very beautiful little girl who had a lot going for her. I am calling out to you, my extended internet family to please show your support for her and her family and join the anti-bullying movement I have begun. I did an interview for the Chicago tribune that will be published Thursday and her mother will be on the Today Show Friday morning. If you just search for Ashlynn Conner Foundation and show your support it would be so very greatly appreciated. Thank you very much...
I'm so sorry for your loss.
Several of my friends are depressed because they are repeatedly bullied to the point of attempted suicide. I feel your pain.
Rest in peace, Ashlynn Conner.
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I'm sorry to hear this, well definitely look into supporting this foundation. Its real sad to see people die over bullying.
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We will have an actual website up soon, we had to throw a page on facebook, just to get the ball rolling and the response is amazing. I knew my fellow flashers would step up, we r all geeks, til the jerk at work needs his phone unbricked. Lol. We are in talks with some very powerful government officials about amending some of the laws pertaining to bullying, but again we need your support, please search ashlynn conner foundation and youll see what I mean...
It's an outrageous travesty when teachers and parents turn a blind eye to incidents of bullying in schools, especially when it can so easily end up in tragic circumstances such as this.
If you have the opportunity to do so, please pass along our heartfelt condolences to the parents and let them know that there are those of us that wholeheartedly support their cause.
Kids will be kids and will eventually grow up, but i wish bad karma upon those adults who allow bullying to continue, right under their noses. Lets hope lives can be saved in future!
Ok,i think this is the point i stop with bullying...thanks,you opened my eyes :')
so, i'm curious how the users of xda think about the charlie hebdo attack of last week?
i think the UN should compile an army force and send them out to the middle east to prevent the terrorist groups
from traveling further and try to prevent groups from attacking innocent and harmless civillians (anywhere in the world)!
i believe the people of Isis and Al-qaeda should be taken out by force! honestly i don't approve of any violence! however in this
case the diplomatic way didn't had any positive result! therefore for the first time i'm saying yes to open fire! obama and other worldleaders should
finally put action to their words! these terroristgroups are an absolute thread to freedom of speech and expression!
so please give youre opinion and you're thoughts about this awful tragedy
(sorry for my broken english) i'm dutch :silly:
my condolances to the victims and family of the fallen!
je suis charlie
And as such the victims will have died in vain. Charlie Hebdo stood for freedom of speech through humour. They abhorred violence.
Murdering others because you don't agree with their ideas, however controversial they may be, makes you no better than those who murder others because they disagree with their ideas.
Murdering innocent people because you're upset over a cartoon is pure cowardice. It's not brave, it doesn't make you a hero. It makes you a pathetic coward.
But answering violence with more violence isn't the answer. That's how this whole mess started in the first place.
The problem here is religion. For as long as history can remeber, people have been slaughtering innocents in the name of some fictitious god. Christianity is no better, or have people forgotten about the crusades?
Cue more butthurt people now painting a target on my head just for saying that. Freedom of speech kids, it works both ways. You get to preach about your god to those who don't want you to, and we get to ridicule it. If we aren't allowed to ridicule it, you're not allowed to preach to us. It's both sides of the blade.
Religious followers being upset because someone drew their fictitious figurehead is as ridiculous as all of us going on a murderous rampage because someone drew the Android robot with a pink hat. But people are so brainwashed from birth that they can't see the sheer idiocracy of what they're doing.
That is what lies at the heart of this. But nobody wants to see it. All the imams have condemned the attack, but not a single muslim is willing to take a good hard look at their religion and see that it needs to change. In the west we have learned to accept (the hard way) that there are others who believe different, and we have learned to share our lives with them. We accept that someone won't pray at dinner, that someone won't thank a god every evening. Now it's time for muslims to make that growth as well.
What none of them realized is that those controversial catroons weren't meant as an insult.
The west learned through Apartheid that a seperate society doesn't work. We adapted.
The French shared their country, their lives and their culture with the muslims who came to live in France. They took them into their schools, their busses, their shops, their homes. They gave them the same rights and liberties as citizens.
Charlie Hebdo welcomed them into their lives by sharing their humour with them.
And as a reward for their acceptance, they were murdered.
And that is unacceptable. It is also why there is now such a backlash. If you come to live in our counties and want to share in our lives and become. A part of our society, you can't cherrypick the parts you want. It's all or nothing. You want the right to practise your religion in our society, then we retain the right to practise our humour.
I have gained a newfound respect for mayor Aboutaleb. That man should be an example to all muslims.
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But answering violence with more violence isn't the answer. That's how this whole mess started in the first place.
The west learned through Apartheid that a seperate society doesn't work. We adapted.
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A wonderful humanist once said an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
Then I look at history the Christian crusades where many were murdered. Centuries later into the 21st century where Muslims, and I'm not meaning all Muslims, have the spotlight in committing many heartless acts against humanity. The cost of human life..................... the torture ,abuse,deprivation or murder of a human being there is never an excuse for that. I'm assuming these individuals have a built up, or have instilled in them, a hatred for the western way of life and use religion as an excuse to commit atrocities.
Apatheid indeed did not work, several of my friends who are Caucasian have worked in South Africa and it was an unsafe place to be for them.
There will be a balance for both, I'm thinking 2 or 3 lifetimes away. Hope is almost always a positive thing.
I have Muslim friends, some I have known most of my life and they are very different to what I have seen in the media.
I think I have written enough I'm emotionally drained.
Round and round we go
Political threads aren't really something that we allow. To much potential for emotions to get out of hand resulting in flaming of members.
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