Where's all my RAM? - Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I thought I had 512MB of ram on this. I opened task killer and it says 117mb free. Surly Android isn't using all of the other ram?

There is a small bug/issue with the stock Android o/s even 2.1 suffers from this.
With the mod/kernel I use below I can get up to about 275mb right after a fresh app task wipe. Then closer to 200-220mb when under normal use which is pretty good.

Macmee said:
I thought I had 512MB of ram on this. I opened task killer and it says 117mb free. Surly Android isn't using all of the other ram?
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You need to install a kernel that utilizes highmem. Basically, the easiest way to achieve this is to install a rom which has this by default (cyanogen is a popular option).

It's busy doing what it was put in the phone to do.
The other half hasn't woken up yet.

what they are saying is that google has not yet enabled the other half of the nexus one's RAM yet. so the stock nexus one only has half of the 512MB active, which is 256MB. so some of the custom ROMS, when rooted and installed, open up that additional RAM, giving the full 512MB.
who knows why google did this. maybe they thought it was a battery saving issue and that 256MB was plenty for users. or maybe they have some surprise in store for the nexus and will open it up in an upcoming OTA update.

This is a huge disappointment. I can't root because I can't risk breaking my nexus I paid the full price for it!

paid full wack for mine also, but hey what the heck, rooted and stuff as soon as it came through the door.

Macmee said:
This is a huge disappointment. I can't root because I can't risk breaking my nexus I paid the full price for it!
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I paid full price for mine too and my wife's N1. You wont brick your phone unless you screw up a Radio flash for the most part.
So either get comfortable with it and flash everything you want, just flash to a new modded o/s or just leave your phone alone and wait for Google.
In the end you do have to be comfortable knowing your warranty could be in jeopardy though. I have heard some cases of HTC still fixing hardware defects on rooted phones.

Ahhh I want to, I really do, but I so much don't want to break this

Macmee said:
This is a huge disappointment. I can't root because I can't risk breaking my nexus I paid the full price for it!
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This has been well discussed at length, and has been one of the bashing points used by the fan boys.
Besides that, the info in here is a bit wrong. It isn't set at 256MB, it is more like just shy of 400 IIRC, want to say 388 to be exact.
Also, have you noticed a lack of RAM yet? You say you still have 100MB free? Well, that is pretty damn good to say the least. Do you really need another 100MB of RAM sitting there doing nothing?
And it isn't a bug either... grrrr... it is because the Kernel's that do support the extra RAM were not stable enough at launch. Can you imagine what sort of uproar there would have been from people if their phone jsut randomly rebooted once every couple days? Maybe even once a day?

You're right. The lowest I've been to is 30mb free, when I was running around 7 apps. I'll just wait for the official google fix

before rooting, task killer would only free up about 70mb, i think. don't quite remember. now, after rooting and flash to enom's rom, task panel can free up around 260mb

timothydonohue said:
before rooting, task killer would only free up about 70mb, i think. don't quite remember. now, after rooting and flash to enom's rom, task panel can free up around 260mb
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That's because you're killing services and apps that don't need to be kill and actually have a negative impact on loading speeds.

Macmee said:
You're right. The lowest I've been to is 30mb free, when I was running around 7 apps. I'll just wait for the official google fix
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There you go! It is one of those things, when you notice your numbers are too "low" you are like what the heck? But until you saw the numbers, you never thought to yourself "man I wish I had more RAM since this thing is slow and can't multi-task my apps right".
I ran bone stock for the first month I had my Nexus One, never said once to myself I wish it was faster or had more RAM, ok that is a lie I always want faster, but never once was I honestly sitting there saying that because the phone was so slow.
I did finally root and start flashing (a month without flashing is a REALLY long time for me, longest I have ever owned a smartphone without flashing). And to be honest, despite what some may say, the custom ROMs really are not that much faster, and it matters about the kernel more than anything. And actually, I run into lag at times with custom ROMs that are not there with the stock ROM, granted some tasks are a bit quicker, I have themese, and what not to make up for it. None the less, speed and stability can co-exist, but you have to give up one for the other in general.

just root the thing and move on with life... ive got news for you... if you drop the thing on concrete and shatter the screen, HTC doesnt care whether its rooted or not... YOU BROKE IT YOU FIX IT
my car has like 50,000 mile warranty on it, but im pretty sure if i pour jet fuel into it instead of gasoline and I blow my block, the dealership is going to laugh at me and my warranty even if my car only has 200 miles on it...
root it and take care of it... its really not that hard...

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Sprint Diamond - RAM and memory on first start w/ touchflo3d enabled

First, I did a search on this and did not find the answers i wanted; so mods, please delete/move this thread if you don't approve - thanks
My question is pretty much in the title of this thread... I know the specs, but the amount of RAM/Memory after the phone runs its default processes and apps is obviously much different than what's stated on the fact sheet.
So, how much RAM and internal memory does the sprint touch diamond have after it's powered on straight out of the box with touchflo3d enabled?? Also, how much RAM if touchflo is disabled? I will be upgrading my mogul soon, so I'd like to know what I'm working with.
Please post any useful info, thanks in advance!
it doesnt matter you will hate the stock rom so bad. (its got **** all for spacke with all the sprint crap on it and its slow as hell) that you will flash a custom rom very shortly after your realize this.
Juggalo_X said:
it doesnt matter you will hate the stock rom so bad. (its got **** all for spacke with all the sprint crap on it and its slow as hell) that you will flash a custom rom very shortly after your realize this.
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I have to disagree. While yes it is full of bloat, of the custom roms I've ran (/made) it was by far the most stable. I didn't have it freeze at all over the course of a week, while with the custom ones, there was almost an immediate problem I found within the first hour of playing with them.
All we need is a nice clean sprint rom to remove a lot of the bloat, and it will be a great place to start, just with all the sprint crap on it, there isn't much storage space. And to comment on it being "slow" all the roms seem about the same speed, I wouldn't say its much slower at all.
To top it off, personally I like the sprint theme more than any other (just needed the flip clock to be perfect which you can download a cab for that).
Tenny said:
I have to disagree. While yes it is full of bloat, of the custom roms I've ran (/made) it was by far the most stable. I didn't have it freeze at all over the course of a week, while with the custom ones, there was almost an immediate problem I found within the first hour of playing with them.
All we need is a nice clean sprint rom to remove a lot of the bloat, and it will be a great place to start, just with all the sprint crap on it, there isn't much storage space. And to comment on it being "slow" all the roms seem about the same speed, I wouldn't say its much slower at all.
To top it off, personally I like the sprint theme more than any other (just needed the flip clock to be perfect which you can download a cab for that).
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hate to burst your bubble, but if your getting freezing on the custom roms as opposed to the sprint one its something your doing or you have not hard reset after flashing. Juicy's sprint rom is exactly what you just described. its got all the crap removed. and some speed tweaks. its about 10x faster then the sprint rom or the telus stock rom with better then stock battery life.
again i say, your smoking the bong pipe and u need to put it down for a few and actually test my friend because any one here is going to disagree with your statement i bold'd above. I went back to the telus rom last night to test and was disgusted by the slowness. i became accustomed to my custom rom.
good cooked roms are much much better than stock roms IMHO
i have flashed a fair few and the bets ones do not freeze on me at all they have less memory leak and run faster as well as being leaner and get the best out of the phone ;0)
flash and flash some more, have fun see for yourself, but be safe
patterns said:
good cooked roms are much much better than stock roms IMHO
i have flashed a fair few and the bets ones do not freeze on me at all they have less memory leak and run faster as well as being leaner and get the best out of the phone ;0)
flash and flash some more, have fun see for yourself, but be safe
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i agree.
when my device boots it has 144 MB free ram. that's an ass load more then the telus rom.
144mb FREE ram?
you're sure you mean rAm not rOm (even then it would be very much)
kikakeule said:
144mb FREE ram?
you're sure you mean rAm not rOm (even then it would be very much)
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yes im sure, remember i have 256mb of ram you poor GSM guys only have 128
this back and forth dialogue about different ROMs is quite amusing, but I just want to know how much RAM out of the box - even with all of sprint's unnecessary features and what not. I'm just trying to see how much we actually get to play with. With the mogul, I had about 25-26mbs free out of the box of the 64 total. I know the diamond surpasses that minuscule amount greatly, but like i said, i just wanna know how much we're actually getting...
Juggalo_X said:
yes im sure, remember i have 256mb of ram you poor GSM guys only have 128
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okay sry, my fault
wasn't around for a while ;-)

Is 192 RAM a not enough?

I am planning on buying a HTC G1, but after I read that there is only 192mb RAM I decided to wait.
I have a few questions:
1. Can you make a swapfile on the G1?
2. Would there be a big speed/stability difference with 192 and 256 RAM?
3. How does 2.0/2.1 run compared to 1.6?
I will be using this as a PDA, not a phone and will be doing lots of gaming and web browsing on it.
Thank you,
~moonscapex
Buy a Nexus......
I would, but I can't afford one
moonscapex said:
I would, but I can't afford one
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save up for one. Don't get a g1, it's already too outdated. save up and buy a good phone that'll last a while. By the time you have the money tucked away I'm sure you'll see phones even better than the nexus one.
Yes, I already have a high-end winmo PDA, so I am looking for a lower end Android phone.
I agree with others that say to get a different phone. I love my G1 to death, but there's no way I'd buy one today if I were in the market. It's just too limited.
That said, I'll try and answer your questions.
1. Yes, running swap is possible using a rooted phone and custom ROM. It's debated whether this actually helps any.
2. The 192 vs. 256 MB difference helps a great deal. There's just not a lot of memory left to run many apps and do much task switching on the newer iterations of the OS with only 192MB. The number of apps you can install is also limited by this number (unless you're running a rooted phone and installing apps to your SD card.)
3. On a G1, 2.0/2.1 is pretty slow. At this point I wouldn't use it as a daily use ROM.
The two functions you listed as your primary activities are the two things that the G1 does the worst. It's underpowered for a lot of games (not to mention the horrible battery life when you start playing games) and browsing the web can be a chore given the limited memory and CPU. It works great for basic things like email, maps/navigation, music, productivity apps, but it's pretty slow for other stuff.
OK, thank you. That is the kind of answer I was looking for. I will look into some other phones.
The G1 is ideal for what your looking for. Man people love to drift off don't they
Yeah they do...
Has anyone else tried Android 2.1 on their G1?
If you root it, in addition to the debatable swapping to the SD for more ram and cache, you can overclock the things. Probably a bit hard on your battery and might generate unacceptable heat, don't know. You might just get it up to 2/3's to 3/4th's the speed of a Nexus for the cost of a bigger battery. Maybe then you could run 2.1 effectively. Who knows.
I'd buy it used. They go for about $175 on ebay unlocked. If you screw it up you've not lost that much. You can resell your broken one on ebay for about $75
Regards, PK
Overall the G1 for me has just been fun to root and flash multiple roms. =P Some roms are moderately fast, but are limited to games as we have no video drivers
Thanks for the good answers. So the Open GL drivers are not available on the G1? And how easy is it to brick a G1. Ive flashed many roms on winmo with no problem.
EDIT: Yes I will overclock. Are the Vid drivers available on the Magic?
moonscapex said:
Thanks for the good answers. So the Open GL drivers are not available on the G1? And how easy is it to brick a G1. Ive flashed many roms on winmo with no problem.
EDIT: Yes I will overclock. Are the Vid drivers available on the Magic?
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Yeah they are
Personally
I preordered a G1... rooted it early in the beginnings of Haykuro and JF... and 16 months later I still say there isnt a replacement... I got a full upgrade and I still havent taken advantage... The N1 is nice, if you can live wo the hard keyboard... If you want a low end android, the G1 is a good starter phone...
I run both 2.1 and 1.6 roms.. The 1.6 roms are really fast, The 2.1 roms are worth having on your phone to show off... I can stream music on 3G from 8am to about 230-3pm at work on either so batt life is fine either way on a normal day...
I dont know what kind of gaming you do, but my old school emulators do the trick nicely run on any rom and with the hard keyboard controls are great... I use a ram hack that removes the 3d accelerator for another 8mb of usable ram, so I cant comment on 3d games...
Bricking a G1 is almost impossible now with all the good tutorials... the G1 is the easiest to root, hack, flash, customize... all that in my own eyes... Ive brought noobs down the rabbit hole and now they are cookin up roms and themes like crazy...
I on the other hand still patiently wait for a new bigger better stronger phone (with a hard keyboard) to replace my G1 and I know it will not be in the low end android bracket..
protomanez said:
Overall the G1 for me has just been fun to root and flash multiple roms. =P Some roms are moderately fast, but are limited to games as we have no video drivers
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My setiments exactly. Hate to say it but it's just fun to see or learn somthing new.
Good thread for Android noobes.
Regards, PK
So far I'm convinced about the G1, thanks everybody. When I found out that the keyboard on the magic would not work with a stylus, and only your fingers, it made it obvious for me.
PS: Can you disable the RAM hack without reflashing?
moonscapex said:
So far I'm convinced about the G1, thanks everybody. When I found out that the keyboard on the magic would not work with a stylus, and only your fingers, it made it obvious for me.
PS: Can you disable the RAM hack without reflashing?
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Not really. You must replace the kernel, so it's basically just as complicated as reflashing.
I'ts simple.
Flash the boot.img and reboot.
All gone.
(and vice versa)
you wont loose any data or anything.

Android 2.2 vs iOS 4.1

I’ve spent some time reading about both the Android 2.2 (Froyo) and the iOS 4.1 update recently. Although it’s a pretty close race, looking at a side-by-side comparison of the two leads me to believe that Android is actually winning by a nose.
One of the main problems that were holding the older versions of Android back was their issues with speed. This problem has now been solved with changes that give the OS a 2x to 5x times performance boost which is epic, and there are even rumors that Google is just being modest and that the speed boost is more like 4x-5x. Can’t understand why people are still freaking out about the iPhone 4?
Its not all about speed mate,
theres simplicity (e.g. my parents want a capable phone which they dont have to mess around with). Some android phones still feel like they are beta items (Galaxy S and your lag/gps/UI grammar mistakes...I look at you with scorn. HTC with theri MT skimping and crappy graphics chips.
Theres also the availiability of well-made apps. No dissing to android devs who do an awesome job, googles carefree market attitude DOES allow a lot of crap through. Oh well, at least theyre not fart apps! Theres no unified OS structure in Android and every phone has its quirks etc. Theres also no common platform to build for. Plus. itll be awhile (hopefully soon) before there are sufficient Android phones and publicity to garner attention.
Google's attitude is kinda silly. They are preventing android growth by limiting access to the Android market and to paid apps. I suspect this is based on their intention of controlling payments (e.g. Google checkout issues vs paypal popularity, government laws etc). Also, note the crappy music player, unfinished market software, rudimentary dialer app...and you start to see how android needs just a pinch of salt to get it right.
Not every phone has FRoyo , many take so long to get FROYO its redundant by the time they get it, so not everyone gets a boost in performance.
Iphone 4 has a lot of marketing behind it. Apple focus on one phone every year and it sells heaps. However, there IS a gradual shift away from IOS as people learn how to use a smartphone and decide to give Android a go.
But most importantly, iphone 4 is still popular because of....wait for it.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg
But most importantly iPhone 4 is still popular because everyone who bought an iPhone at launch are now comfortable with it. And therefore continue to buy iPhone/Apple products. It's not because the phone itself is the greatest phone of all time - It's simple to use and doesn't run slow (for the most part).
Android gives you the possibility to customize your phone beyond wildest belief. There's nothing similar about the two (IOS vs Android). IOS is closed off and the application store is a joke. On Android however there are no limitations as to what reaches the market. AppStore is of course 'bigger' and has more applications - but the Android Market has reached a respectable status aswell.
The developement of Android is always moving! Not all devices are at the state say, the HTC Hero is. But there's a good amount of ROMS that you can use. The standard HTC Sense is somewhat ugly and boring. And when using a 'rooted ROM' the speed is often incredible. If you use widgets such as 'Overclock Widget' or 'SetCPU' - You're gonna have a performance enhanced phone.
The problem some people have is getting used to using TaskManagers. On Android you have to close your applications yourself - The phone won't do it for you, as on the iPhone. The reason being multitasking - and YES, I know it's possible on the iPhone aswell since the update. Using taskmanagers also helps with battery life and of course speeds up your phone a lot. Like on the iPhone you can set up your taskmanager to end tasks so-and-so-often. Autokill, in other words. If ending them yourself is a huge disadvantage, I mean.
Widgets. How could you live without them? You know the pretty neat things that make your phone look really SEXY.
- Widgets alone is a dealbreaker. Get Android. You won't be disappointed!
zHk3R said:
On Android you have to close your applications yourself - The phone won't do it for you, as on the iPhone. The reason being multitasking
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No, the reason is: there is no sense in closing apps. Android handles this automatically for you.
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No, the reason is: there is no sense in closing apps. Android handles this automatically for you.
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WHAT!
Closing/Exiting/Killing applications saves battery and you get better performance/response from your device.
The iPhone does that automatically. Mainly because it's easier. I guess it takes a load of people's minds. Or simply because consumers can't complain about slow speeds
Android doesn't. That's why we have Task Managers/Killers. If you don't use a taskmanager, your device can't be much responsive [?]
zHk3R said:
What?
Closing/Exiting/Killing applications saves battery and you get better performance/response from your device.
The iPhone does that automatically.
Android doesn't. That's why we have Task Managers/Killers.
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We have task killers, cause people like to complicate things. They don't understand phone isn't a PC, so they think it's bad that there are some apps in the memory. But this is not true. Actually... killers may slow down your phone, but who cares? It sounds good we manage processes by ourself!
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WHAT!
Closing/Exiting/Killing applications saves battery and you get better performance/response from your device. (...) If you don't use a taskmanager, your device can't be much responsive
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Sounded quite fanatic
I don't use any task killer except one built into Android itself. Everything work just fine.
Yea ummm android by default has the best application handling process there is..task managers are a huge waste with android and ultimately destroy performance. You must not understand how the froyo framework is designed. And it is far superior to the way ios handles it application. Android sets priorities to apps and shuts down when needed. It keeps what it needs spooled in memory waiting but after a set time drops those that exceed the time limit or if the memory is needed closes the app with 0 hesitation. This is of course the process explained in generic form.
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csseale said:
Yea ummm android by default has the best application handling process there is..task managers are a huge waste with android and ultimately destroy performance. You must not understand how the froyo framework is designed. And it is far superior to the way ios handles it application. Android sets priorities to apps and shuts down when needed. It keeps what it needs spooled in memory waiting but after a set time drops those that exceed the time limit or if the memory is needed closes the app with 0 hesitation. This is of course the process explained in generic form.
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I was aware there was some sort of application handling process - But I for one am not able to use my phone comfortably without using a taskmanager. This might be because I have a Hero, I don't know.
EDIT: But in light of this, I'm gonna try to use my phone without a task-killer. See how it goes.
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EDIT: But in light of this, I'm gonna try to use my phone without a task-killer. See how it goes.
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Yeah, try. Some people say their phone works better with task killers, others it works worse and I don't see much difference. I have a G1 and it's really low of memory.
Anyway, I don't think Google will ever add possibility to instantly close apps, cause Android's assumption is to keep apps in memory as long as it's possible.
I'll get back to ya when I've gone a day or two without task-killing. Can't really say for sure if it's 'better or not' after an hour without task-killing, lol.
i don't use a task killer and i am getting +24 hours of battery life....
+1 to 2 days of battery life with android doing the task managing.
Can't say to much about the battery life yet. But it does run okay without task-killing.
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I was aware there was some sort of application handling process - But I for one am not able to use my phone comfortably without using a taskmanager. This might be because I have a Hero, I don't know.
EDIT: But in light of this, I'm gonna try to use my phone without a task-killer. See how it goes.
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Let's see.
Your phone has:
about 1/2 the RAM as most devices released in the last 9-12 months are running.
about 1/2 the CPU capablities compared to most devices in the last 9-12 months
an outdated version of the os
2.1 didn't even need a task killer like pre 2.1, and 2.2 really doesn't need one. Ditch the task killer!
I just pissed in my pants. You did not just compare Android to iOShiz. I just pissed. Clean up on Isle COUCH!
IOS/Iphone bores me, even for the Iphone 4, you swipe tee screen and all you get is pretty much the same as when the iphone 2g came out..
Whereas on Android, you have different unlock screens and almost no two phones look alike.
You guys are totally right.
Task Killer is unnecessary.
Guess im gonna have to try and get rid of the task killer. See how it goes
Sent from my froyo hero
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Let's see.
Your phone has:
about 1/2 the RAM as most devices released in the last 9-12 months are running.
about 1/2 the CPU capablities compared to most devices in the last 9-12 months
an outdated version of the os
2.1 didn't even need a task killer like pre 2.1, and 2.2 really doesn't need one. Ditch the task killer!
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Yeah.
I've got FroydVillain 1.5.0
Not very outdated.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=769735
Check that out zHk3R. Its a whole thread of why task killers actually HURT your android.

Finally got another phone. So much happier.

I finally had enough and jumped ship. I got what I originally wanted but was too impatient to wait, the Galaxy Skyrocket. I had to dish out full price (used) but it's worth it. The amount of frustration using the Thrill was far outweighing the cost of just getting a new phone. i've found that the only thing that made the Thrill bearable was by flashing CM7 but then you lose any benefit of having it to begin with (3d).
FTR, I had flashed GB O3D rom on this phone and used that for the past 3 months or so prior to finally flashing CM7 and losing the 3d.
The 3d isn't worth the disadvantages of having this phone after all and I wish I had listened to others from the beginning. Even with CM7, the phone is nowhere near as snappy and productive as the STOCK bloated rom on the Samsung Galaxy S2 phones. Prior to having the Skyrocket, I didn't quite understand what the advantage would be, if you compared specs to specs. Apparently there is something else other than hardware specs that makes one android phone simply better than the other hands down. Sorry for the rant, but I am posting this in case others who have been putting up with their Thrill have been on the fence and don't know what they're missing. I bought the Thrill 1 week prior to its release date and have been a trooper putting up with it until this week. I'm so glad to be done with it, it's now sitting in my junk drawer. Good riddance!
Not trying to be rude, but it'd be nice if useless clutter such as this was not posted.
It's completely irrelevant.
i dont know why ppl hate this phone so much i love it after rooting it and putting a custom rom on it rocks the house have no problems with missed calls or sms's np gettting a full day out of the battery now that were off froyo my buddy at work has an sg2 and my phone is just as fast as his phone.
I do not know why people are complaining about this phone either... I have put the thriller rom on it and the battery is lasting for almost 2 full days now... I still have my 3D (which if you ask me is much nicer in theory than it is in actuality.) and rarely use it... You people that are complaining about it as you are, are just too damn picky... Lighten up and enjoy the phone for what it can do. Dont just jump on the "oh i cant upgrade to GB so its shyt" bandwagon...
We're complaining because some of us (myself) ditched the iPhone for a more "open" platform that we wouldn't have to worry about hacking as much so we could do stuff that a phone should do without jailbreaking. I was always doing stuff to my iPhone to the point where it was very unstable an I just wanted to go legit. So I got an Android, now the only way to get anything out of it is to mod and hack again, which bumps you right back into that "sketchy" territory. I'm glad roms and hacks work for you but there are cons to those pro's as well. I've spent far to much time flashing KDZ's on this phone trying to get it functional. Not a single GB worked for me and I tried them all. I always had ghost calls. I've been considering the SGSII so I'm glad to hear it's as good as I think/hope it is.
Update: to further reply to your "I don't know why your complaining" comment about "being too damn picky" All I want is for my phone to last 1 day and not miss any phone calls. Oh, and not freeze in the middle of a game or app. On froyo my battery life is ****e and there is tons of freezing. On GB I miss calls and texts on a regular basis. Now tell me I'm being picky.
I don't think it's the case of being too picky, it's the quality of the phone and the company that gets people. Think about it LG knew the battery life of these phone would be shytty while testing it but they still released it.... plus to my understanding their updating progress is way to long of a wait for such a powerful phone, by the time we "may" get an ICS update jellybean will be out (I think) As for my experience with thrill my only issue was the battery life (which I took care of) other than that I love my phone and very satisfied with it
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I used one of my upgrades to get a galaxy note. Stock for stock the thrill was almost as fAst as it and scored much better on fps in graphics tests. I've oc'd the note now and the thrill doesn't come close. I could see the thrill being just as quick oc'd and tweaked. And, the thrill plays more games without having to do any tweaking. Don't get me wrong, i gave the thrill to my son and will probably never go back to the thrill only because of the screen size and lte. Though i did give the son strict orders to take care of it as i want it back when he finally upgrades.
Sent from a Galaxy far, far away!
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I used one of my upgrades to get a galaxy note. Stock for stock the thrill was almost as fAst as it and scored much better on fps in graphics tests. I've oc'd the note now and the thrill doesn't come close. I could see the thrill being just as quick oc'd and tweaked. And, the thrill plays more games without having to do any tweaking. Don't get me wrong, i gave the thrill to my son and will probably never go back to the thrill only because of the screen size and lte. Though i did give the son strict orders to take care of it as i want it back when he finally upgrades.
Sent from a Galaxy far, far away!
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I just finished putting thiaz03d 2.6 with 1158 oc kernel .4 and stripping it down to the apps that I use and man this phone is blazing fast did a antutu benchmark and scored 6538 witch is higher then a stock sg2 so I'm very happy with this phone now it just flys.
Posts like this crack me up, hence my screen name haha. I love this phone. It's got an awesome screen, super fast dual core processor and a high quality feel to the build. All the samsung phones just feel like they're made out of toy plastic. I'm also glad LG doesn't try to overwhelm us with an over-the-top Android overlay such as Sense, TouchWiz, MotoBlur, etc. I replaced the stock launcher with launcher pro as soon as I got it and it got much better battery life. LG Home is a battery sucker and a resource hog. I like the widgets they provided with it too, they're really classy and useful. For a phone with only 512 MB of RAM, I usually manage to get around 200 MB of RAM free when I'm not running anything. Try asking someone with a Captivate how much of their memory they can get free (usually about 100 MB or less), they'll be shocked when you say you can get that. I think the people who complain are too unfamiliar with the Android operating system and its customizability and were just looking for something that works without any tweaking. If you want something like that, just get an iphone. And I'm not knocking that at all, Apple only builds one phone for a reason, so they can concentrate on it and make it work flawlessly despite any perceived hardware shortcomings. But I'm glad I chose my Thrill so I can make it do what I want it to do, and it does. And nothing beat the price point this thing was at back in September.
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Posts like this crack me up, hence my screen name haha. I love this phone. It's got an awesome screen, super fast dual core processor and a high quality feel to the build. All the samsung phones just feel like they're made out of toy plastic. I'm also glad LG doesn't try to overwhelm us with an over-the-top Android overlay such as Sense, TouchWiz, MotoBlur, etc. I replaced the stock launcher with launcher pro as soon as I got it and it got much better battery life. LG Home is a battery sucker and a resource hog. I like the widgets they provided with it too, they're really classy and useful. For a phone with only 512 MB of RAM, I usually manage to get around 200 MB of RAM free when I'm not running anything. Try asking someone with a Captivate how much of their memory they can get free (usually about 100 MB or less), they'll be shocked when you say you can get that. I think the people who complain are too unfamiliar with the Android operating system and its customizability and were just looking for something that works without any tweaking. If you want something like that, just get an iphone. And I'm not knocking that at all, Apple only builds one phone for a reason, so they can concentrate on it and make it work flawlessly despite any perceived hardware shortcomings. But I'm glad I chose my Thrill so I can make it do what I want it to do, and it does. And nothing beat the price point this thing was at back in September.
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Hardware is nothing without good support. And LG support frankly isn't very good.
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i havent had any problems with lg support there always straight up with me told me when were getting ics when i asked and also to the guy above you i get 200 to 250mb free when i close all my apps so i cant complain at all
i know some ppl have this ghost call thing but you ever think its your carrier and not lg ive used all the roms that claim to have gc probs and i never had any.
I eligible to upgrade and a white galaxy note is what I might get depending on how long at&fee decides to update to ics. Along with that a lag fix and price drop.
I never get more than 100 ram free unless I just stopped playing a heavy game and that's only for a few seconds before everything launches again. What in the world are you doing to get 200 free?
Are you using the stock launcher or a (better) one from the market? I use launcher pro, and it uses much less resources from what I can tell. Whenever I tried going back to LG Home, I noticed there was so much less free memory in the app manager. Actually right now I only have about 76 MB free, but that's because I let Gmail, Go SMS Pro, Opera Mobile, Pandora, and the finance app stay in there because I use them all the time. If I clear them out I'll be over 160 MB and in the green easy.
well i have thiaz03d rom 2.6 and it has lgs newest launcher then i used that post in the 03d forum to remove all the apps that im not using and froze every thing that i didnt want to delete that i dont us i pertty much striped my phone right down and install only the files for my phone and apps i use to run. o and hardly any thing runs in the back ground.
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Posts like this should be deleted by the mod. It serves no useful purpose and just sounds likes a duck quacking on a pond.
The phone is what you make of it. All smartphones are. if you dont like battery life, find the culprit and eliminate it. If you dont like stock, root it. If you dont like something you have acquired because you didnt do your homework dont whine about it in a place where people are trying to make the best of what they have chosen. Keep your mouth shut and move on. Dont like the phone, go write a review on cnet.
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Don't defend LG till they fix the phone
Firstly everyone who doesn’t get ghost calls, are you shore? have you checked, I am only saying this since it is hard to tell, I didn’t think I wasn’t getting any until lots of people started saying that I never answer my phone, and when I started testing it guess what to my surprise I was getting them, and it’s so random that it might happen only 1 out of 20 or even 1 out of 50 but since it is random when it happens you never know, I once was testing it I called 6 times in a row and it was 6 out of 6 ghost calls, and the thing with ghost calls they don’t go to the answering machine they don’t leave missed call notifications and it’s the same with text msg's there is no trace of them at all, and for the people that are calling you they just think you are being rude by not answering or never returning their calls not to mention missing important business calls, so I know when some people say I never get them well for all you know you have and never realised it, and how can anyone defend LG's O3D/Thrill when they have such a serious issue and still haven’t fixed it, not to mention people who get the error "reorganizing internal processes" when trying to call out which I have had in the past, what if you are in an emergency and you need to call but all you get in "reorganizing internal processes" and then you have to wait for the phone to fix itself or restart it, and we all know how long the O3D/Thrill takes to start up don’t we, or you go to make a call and have no reception and have to restart the phone, or have you forgetting the main purpose of a mobile = calling and communication....
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Posts like this should be deleted by the mod. It serves no useful purpose and just sounds likes a duck quacking on a pond.
The phone is what you make of it. All smartphones are. if you dont like battery life, find the culprit and eliminate it. If you dont like stock, root it. If you dont like something you have acquired because you didnt do your homework dont whine about it in a place where people are trying to make the best of what they have chosen. Keep your mouth shut and move on. Dont like the phone, go write a review on cnet.
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On a lighter note I will buy any ones old lg thrill/o3d for parts as I have hardware bricked mine and need a new logic board/main board.
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It's not that we don't like the post.
It's that it is completely useless and serves as clutter.
This isn't a general section for ALL android phones.
It's the general section for the LG Thrill. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Understand?

Is flashing worth it still?

I started flashing when I was 21, my first Android phone (and first phone I rooted), was an Optimist V. That phone was just okay, until I read about rooting and over clocking. I studied for hours of the proper ways to root and what were the best ROMs, and instantly fell in love. It was like a brand new next gen phone! That phone ran so smooth, and had some of the best developers I had ever seen to this date.
Fast forward 5 years, and I have had all the Nexuses (not 5x or 6p) since the V. I used to be a flashaholic; loved over clocking, and debloated ROMs. Since the 6, I've flashed a couple ROMs, but I've gone from 2-3 a month to 2-3 the past year. One thing I've noticed is, they aren't that different. I'm not a features guy, I like simple, and that's what 6.0 brought to the table. I don't really see any huge benefits anymore. Flashing new and updated ROMs has started to become a chore. The phone runs great no matter what I'm using, and the truth, stock runs better than most custom ROMs now.
So to conclude, is flashing even worth it anymore? Sure I can run a ROM and have a huge benchmark score, but that ROM will crash on certain apps more often, and doesn't actually run the basic apps I use any smoother. Stock is so fast now, that it is basically why I won't upgrade to 6p, since I don't use the camera at all.
What do you think? Am I alone on this thought process, or am I just getting old and boring?
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I started flashing when I was 21, my first Android phone (and first phone I rooted), was an Optimist V. That phone was just okay, until I read about rooting and over clocking. I studied for hours of the proper ways to root and what were the best ROMs, and instantly fell in love. It was like a brand new next gen phone! That phone ran so smooth, and had some of the best developers I had ever seen to this date.
Fast forward 5 years, and I have had all the Nexuses (not 5x or 6p) since the V. I used to be a flashaholic; loved over clocking, and debloated ROMs. Since the 6, I've flashed a couple ROMs, but I've gone from 2-3 a month to 2-3 the past year. One thing I've noticed is, they aren't that different. I'm not a features guy, I like simple, and that's what 6.0 brought to the table. I don't really see any huge benefits anymore. Flashing new and updated ROMs has started to become a chore. The phone runs great no matter what I'm using, and the truth, stock runs better than most custom ROMs now.
So to conclude, is flashing even worth it anymore? Sure I can run a ROM and have a huge benchmark score, but that ROM will crash on certain apps more often, and doesn't actually run the basic apps I use any smoother. Stock is so fast now, that it is basically why I won't upgrade to 6p, since I don't use the camera at all.
What do you think? Am I alone on this thought process, or am I just getting old and boring?
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I'm 44 as of last month, have been with android since day one in 2008, and have owned all the nexus devices up to the n6, yet I still flash. how else am I going to get a kernel to load? custom ROMs I don't flash much, I find what I like then stay with it. but that's all your choice, you don't ever have to flash anything, again its YOUR choice.
Depends on what your intended outcome is. If you want stable stock, Samsung runs android which you can still customize without the need to root, etc.....Android is still much more customization than Apple without having to do the jailbreak etc. I prefer the ability to theme, customize, and have a kernel I choose.
For me personally, there are "never" too many features in a ROM. I like ROMs that have so many features they are coming out of your ears, but I'm very particular about how I have things set up.....for someone else who may just need the basics then I can certainly see that being the case.
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I started flashing when I was 21, my first Android phone (and first phone I rooted), was an Optimist V. That phone was just okay, until I read about rooting and over clocking. I studied for hours of the proper ways to root and what were the best ROMs, and instantly fell in love. It was like a brand new next gen phone! That phone ran so smooth, and had some of the best developers I had ever seen to this date.
What do you think? Am I alone on this thought process, or am I just getting old and boring?
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you are old and boring..
nikeman513 said:
So to conclude, is flashing even worth it anymore? Sure I can run a ROM and have a huge benchmark score, but that ROM will crash on certain apps more often, and doesn't actually run the basic apps I use any smoother. Stock is so fast now, that it is basically why I won't upgrade to 6p, since I don't use the camera at all.
What do you think? Am I alone on this thought process, or am I just getting old and boring?
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Well, as a senior developer (and I'm about one year senior to simms22 ), I can tell you that I'm not interested in flashing again. I've switched from TW to cm, Temasek and some variants on my Note 3, and finally bought a N6 instead of the Note 4, just because of the possibility of development.
So now I have a hobby, I've got my own Android (yay me!), and after merging in the latest security patch I flash the system.img once a month.
If I find something to modify or develop, well then I flash it a lot, but I haven't done anything big since the beginning of January when I've restored the good old CRT effect on shutting off the screen. And about three weeks ago I adapted CMFileManager to work with AOSP based roms, as a root explorer. But that's that so far.
I used to flash a lot when i had the LG G2 but since owning the N6 i tried a few roms but now on the same rom since a few months. Only do a clean flash once a month to install the latest version of it. btw, 44 years old was some time ago for me
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I used to flash a lot when i had the LG G2 but since owning the N6 i tried a few roms but now on the same rom since a few months. Only do a clean flash once a month to install the latest version of it. btw, 44 years old was some time ago for me
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as old and aged as im been feeling the past few years, ive found that on xda there are a hell of a lot of children. BUT, on xda, i am also considered not very old. as there are even more adults that are much older than i am
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as old and aged as im been feeling the past few years, ive found that on xda there are a hell of a lot of children. BUT, on xda, i am also considered not very old. as there are even more adults that are much older than i am
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I think i belong to the older generation here on xda, but not sure about that. But 54 is still young, just need to convince my body of that....lol
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I think i belong to the older generation here on xda, but not sure about that. But 54 is still young, just need to convince my body of that....lol
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I gave up on convincing my body that its still young. I found out I'm diabetic just a few years ago, and now my body feels as though I'm in my 60s! but, most importantly, my mind believes that I'm 25. so, I keep on living my "25" year old life, regardless of what my body is telling me :angel:
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I gave up on convincing my body that its still young. I found out I'm diabetic just a few years ago, and now my body feels as though I'm in my 60s! but, most importantly, my mind believes that I'm 25. so, I keep on living my "25" year old life, regardless of what my body is telling me :angel:
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Even though my body thinks its about 125 I try to be as active as i can. My mind is still in its early twenties. And as far as flashing roms goes, well i find that a lot of them are very similar, so not much sense in changing a lot.
nikeman513 said:
I started flashing when I was 21, my first Android phone (and first phone I rooted), was an Optimist V. That phone was just okay, until I read about rooting and over clocking. I studied for hours of the proper ways to root and what were the best ROMs, and instantly fell in love. It was like a brand new next gen phone! That phone ran so smooth, and had some of the best developers I had ever seen to this date.
Fast forward 5 years, and I have had all the Nexuses (not 5x or 6p) since the V. I used to be a flashaholic; loved over clocking, and debloated ROMs. Since the 6, I've flashed a couple ROMs, but I've gone from 2-3 a month to 2-3 the past year. One thing I've noticed is, they aren't that different. I'm not a features guy, I like simple, and that's what 6.0 brought to the table. I don't really see any huge benefits anymore. Flashing new and updated ROMs has started to become a chore. The phone runs great no matter what I'm using, and the truth, stock runs better than most custom ROMs now.
So to conclude, is flashing even worth it anymore? Sure I can run a ROM and have a huge benchmark score, but that ROM will crash on certain apps more often, and doesn't actually run the basic apps I use any smoother. Stock is so fast now, that it is basically why I won't upgrade to 6p, since I don't use the camera at all.
What do you think? Am I alone on this thought process, or am I just getting old and boring?
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Honestly... Roms have never been THAT different. On my last few phones (thunderbolt, S4, moto x, Nexus 6), I have just found a rom that had the features I wanted, was stable and offered updates and stuck with it.
The whole flashing multiple different roms a month doesn't have much point other then people looking to do something with their phone... and it never really has.
You don't want any extra features, so if you had an early nexus you probably wouldn't need to flash either.
But still, if you want to choose what quick tiles you have, if you want to customize what you have in your status bar, if you want additional lock screen options, if....
The easiest way is to flash a rom.
1. You are all spring chickens. I was born before WWII.
2. Flashing roms has gone downhill for me since the ultimate excitement of JellyBean and JBSourcery! But still worth it.
I am finding that with AOSP roms many of my apps FC while they work perfectly with stock based ROMs. That's what I liked about Cataclysm. Now it looks like that is dwindling away. Future is looking bleak if I want to use Android Pay so I pass on that. Looks like stock, rooted with maybe Gravity Box is at the end of the tunnel.
wtherrell said:
1. You are all spring chickens. I was born before WWII.
2. Flashing roms has gone downhill for me since the ultimate excitement of JellyBean and JBSourcery! But still worth it.
I am finding that with AOSP roms many of my apps FC while they work perfectly with stock based ROMs. That's what I liked about Cataclysm. Now it looks like that is dwindling away. Future is looking bleak if I want to use Android Pay so I pass on that. Looks like stock, rooted with maybe Gravity Box is at the end of the tunnel.
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well, gravity box is a no go for me. but, android pay means nothing to me as well. for me its aosp all the way, with root. everything else i need i can do myself with root access and access to the filesystem. anyways, i was going to thank you because of your age, but im outta thanks
I always used the stock based roms and for me they work. I dont use android pay..it isnt even available in The Netherlands, i dont use gravity box. I am now on stock lite rom from Danvdh and it works great for me, no bugs, good battery life and no things in it that i dont use.
Not unless you want to get arrested! Nyuk nyuk nyuk....
Yes! use a custom rom...
But as you see here ppl are different...here is my view and person I am.
You buy a Mustang GT, BMW M3, Dodge Charger SRT, etc... you can leave it as is which is fine. Then there are those guys who will take the best of the best and push a bit more...when the N6 was released this flagship phone was the best of its time.
Again....a WHOLE lot of people will be fine as is but a custom rom (the RIGHT rom) is going to give you that edge the stock N6 is not going to give you...those abilities to do more for the enthusiast! I run Pure Nexus by Beans and the tweaks in the rom are clean and give the N6 added power and edge over the standard N6. If you don't care about the power just to move titles, clock, change button actions, on and on it's all there in the RIGHT rom.
So you have to pick type person you are...as for me my Dodge Charger SRT has the power modifications, the system\cpu flashed, under carriage mods, suspension and engine modifications to give we way more that normal SRT...so the same with the N6 if you are that person.
But again it's a choice and my N6 benchmarks proves the difference since I am a power user...no games, etc just a high-end busy, traveling 43 old corp engineer that ask a lot out of my phone.
nikeman513 said:
I started flashing when I was 21, my first Android phone (and first phone I rooted), was an Optimist V. That phone was just okay, until I read about rooting and over clocking. I studied for hours of the proper ways to root and what were the best ROMs, and instantly fell in love. It was like a brand new next gen phone! That phone ran so smooth, and had some of the best developers I had ever seen to this date.
Fast forward 5 years, and I have had all the Nexuses (not 5x or 6p) since the V. I used to be a flashaholic; loved over clocking, and debloated ROMs. Since the 6, I've flashed a couple ROMs, but I've gone from 2-3 a month to 2-3 the past year. One thing I've noticed is, they aren't that different. I'm not a features guy, I like simple, and that's what 6.0 brought to the table. I don't really see any huge benefits anymore. Flashing new and updated ROMs has started to become a chore. The phone runs great no matter what I'm using, and the truth, stock runs better than most custom ROMs now.
So to conclude, is flashing even worth it anymore? Sure I can run a ROM and have a huge benchmark score, but that ROM will crash on certain apps more often, and doesn't actually run the basic apps I use any smoother. Stock is so fast now, that it is basically why I won't upgrade to 6p, since I don't use the camera at all.
What do you think? Am I alone on this thought process, or am I just getting old and boring?
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Most "custom roms" are either CM or some-fork-of-CM. That means, generally, adding more problems than you solve.
I agree that AOSP and factory are pretty solid. My use of custom builds was mainly related to the screwball trash factory images and lack of updates that you get with the various non-Nexus phones. With a Nexus, you get a solid experience and frequent updates to the newest Android, which means less need for complete system replacements.
Yet there are a few, relatively small, changes that are useful. Root, and a couple of home-brew adjustments, that really put a power user polish on it.
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But again it's a choice and my N6 benchmarks proves the difference since I am a power user...no games, etc just a high-end busy, traveling 43 old corp engineer that ask a lot out of my phone.
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Benchmarks prove nothing, except that it can get a higher score in benchmarks. This does not translate to real-world benefits. On top of that, just because you can hit a bigger number on benchmarks does not mean that it does so safely, for instance, I've heard of a lot of people disabling thermal throttling in order to get higher benchmarks. That will, in the least, reduce the life of the device and cause stability problems. Worst case, it could fry your SoC.
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Benchmarks prove nothing, except that it can get a higher score in benchmarks. This does not translate to real-world benefits. On top of that, just because you can hit a bigger number on benchmarks does not mean that it does so safely, for instance, I've heard of a lot of people disabling thermal throttling in order to get higher benchmarks. That will, in the least, reduce the life of the device and cause stability problems. Worst case, it could fry your SoC.
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I disable thermal throttle every single boot up, every single time. I've had my n6 since Nov 2014 BTW. with thermal throttle off, and pushing it extremely hard, my n6 never ever goes over 75C. and I've tried to hit 100C(thermal shutdown), but just can't. my n5 would hit it in seconds my n6 will not ever hit it. so I see any effect of keeping thermal throttle disabled over the past year and a half? nope. my battery life is still awesome, I lose a percent every hour and a half. my performance is still awesome, as my phone scores highest in benchmarks. and my user experience is still incredible, as I get no lags, nor any other negatives. sure, maybe I'd see something from keeping thermal throttle off, if I used the device for 5+ years or so, but I won't.
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Most "custom roms" are either CM or some-fork-of-CM. That means, generally, adding more problems than you solve.
I agree that AOSP and factory are pretty solid. My use of custom builds was mainly related to the screwball trash factory images and lack of updates that you get with the various non-Nexus phones. With a Nexus, you get a solid experience and frequent updates to the newest Android, which means less need for complete system replacements.
Yet there are a few, relatively small, changes that are useful. Root, and a couple of home-brew adjustments, that really put a power user polish on it.
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Benchmarks prove nothing, except that it can get a higher score in benchmarks. This does not translate to real-world benefits. On top of that, just because you can hit a bigger number on benchmarks does not mean that it does so safely, for instance, I've heard of a lot of people disabling thermal throttling in order to get higher benchmarks. That will, in the least, reduce the life of the device and cause stability problems. Worst case, it could fry your SoC.
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I agree and benchmarks not my key focus I could left out only have done once since 2014. I am a power user and side by side with other N6 users they difference is noticeable based on how we do corp work not games. As stated earlier, depends on person if that's their choice but get choice with this fladship phone and with Pure Nexus gives a new feel to phone. Not all developers are like Beans the tweaks make the difference.
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I disable thermal throttle every single boot up, every single time. I've had my n6 since Nov 2014 BTW. with thermal throttle off, and pushing it extremely hard, my n6 never ever goes over 75C. and I've tried to hit 100C(thermal shutdown), but just can't. my n5 would hit it in seconds my n6 will not ever hit it. so I see any effect of keeping thermal throttle disabled over the past year and a half? nope. my battery life is still awesome, I lose a percent every hour and a half. my performance is still awesome, as my phone scores highest in benchmarks. and my user experience is still incredible, as I get no lags, nor any other negatives. sure, maybe I'd see something from keeping thermal throttle off, if I used the device for 5+ years or so, but I won't.
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On that basis, sounds like it probably wouldn't throttle even if you didn't disable it, so why even bother?
Also, "pushing it" with single-threaded workloads may not get the temperature that far up.
I promise you that a heavy multi-threaded workload WILL make it as hot, fast, regardless of the binning.

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