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Is it me or is windows mobile the worst phone OS on the planet?
And the upgrade to v6.1 is actually WORSE. My power settings always reset, its real difficult to use mp3 as ringtones, the UI just sucks all over the place in so many ways. The java/midlet/IE install process is totally broken. Meh!
What do they smoke up in Redmond? Its called "**** software bud".
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Is it me or is windows mobile the worst phone OS on the planet?
And the upgrade to v6.1 is actually WORSE. My power settings always reset, its real difficult to use mp3 as ringtones, the UI just sucks all over the place in so many ways. The java/midlet/IE install process is totally broken. Meh!
What do they smoke up in Redmond? Its called "**** software bud".
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Yep....it's you.....and guess what....nobody is forcing you to buy a Windows Mobile device.....so either "suck" it up and learn how to use it, or buy something else.
Really. Mine is amazing! (SGH-I780) No problems with power settings. Maybe it is your unit.
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Really. Mine is amazing! (SGH-I780) No problems with power settings. Maybe it is your unit.
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so true. 6.1 is rock solid. TomTom picks up satellites signal a lot faster. Better battery life.
Yeah, mine is great also. Maybe it is a user problem?
I tell ya what, I've spent time with Palm, which isn't too bad but isn't WM, I've spent time with the Iphone, and let me tell you something, you have to ****ing install openssh on it to be able to ftp to the phone so that you can copy over any file that isn't a song or a pic. (I'm sure I could add a few commas in there) I've also used Symbian phone, which is like palm.. Hands down, right here right now, non come close to WM and what it can do and what you can do with it.
OP the Suck
I bought it b/c it was the least bad of the bunch. And also plan on whiping it with android if that day comes around fully.
I can hack on earth, wind, and fire but better systems allow me to intermediate that. MS just gets in the way, they really need a whole new UI injection.
It is so easy to bash M$.
My opinion, and that's all any of us have, is that Windows Mobile is the best mobile OS out there. It allows me to do a lot more with my phone than any other OS.
I think doofus had seconds on his retard sandwich today.... what an idiot.
rocken7 said:
I bought it b/c it was the least bad of the bunch. And also plan on whiping it with android if that day comes around fully.
I can hack on earth, wind, and fire but better systems allow me to intermediate that. MS just gets in the way, they really need a whole new UI injection.
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First it was the "worst phone OS on the planet" and now it's the "least bad of the bunch".....so which is it?.....the worst, or the best(least bad)? Seriously....your credibility is going downhill every time you open your mouth.....which isn't too great considering you didn't start with any.
Sorry valt, didn't mean to fire up the flame bait. I think AOL chat is still open for business ...
i think that as just an operating system in general WM is kinda crap... but one has to understand that it is mobile os and compared o the rest of the mobile os's its the best i was just nieve in buying this thinking/ hearing WINDOWS and not the mobile part so much...my only quip tho, is that since this is windows MOBILE the mobile functions should be better than that on a normal phone (not a hinderance on performace, i mean this thing has a dedicated phone processor and seperate media proc. right? i think on the msm7xxx series they did not properly implement them or something..)... some mobile phone functions are really good on WM but other like the complexities you have to go through to do normal stuff sometimes.... oh well
I heard they are completely revamping the windows UI stuff in wm7 + 8 but that is not coming out until 2010 which is saaad.
Dude I have been using WM based mobiles since 2003 and I think WM is by far the best OS in the market, its been built for advanced users or people with fair knowledge of computing, if you think it is too much for you to handle why dont you buy a regular handset like NOKIA 3310 or if you think you are advanced enough get one of those crapy symbian mobiles.....
rocken7 said:
Is it me or is windows mobile the worst phone OS on the planet?
And the upgrade to v6.1 is actually WORSE. My power settings always reset, its real difficult to use mp3 as ringtones, the UI just sucks all over the place in so many ways. The java/midlet/IE install process is totally broken. Meh!
What do they smoke up in Redmond? Its called "**** software bud".
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Go buy full power interface iphone....
Dumbass.
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First it was the "worst phone OS on the planet" and now it's the "least bad of the bunch".....so which is it?.....the worst, or the best(least bad)? Seriously....your credibility is going downhill every time you open your mouth.....which isn't too great considering you didn't start with any.
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Wait just a minuet Your giving this guy "Credibility" you must be feeling kind today. I to wondered how he got the "Least bad of the bunch" and still had the worst phone on the Planet. Maybe he should try another retail store with a larger selection! Or maybe he just a bit hard to please! Well I could not live with out my tilt as I felt the same about my Hearms, and when I can hide enough funds away from the warden to get a Diamond, I will feel the same about that. I guess I like the platform or maybe I am easy to please. One thing if I didn't like a Rom I would find a group of Developers ,Join their forum, learn how to cook and flash my own custom roms and create what ever I wanted. Hey wait a minuet that's what I did! Maybe Rocken7 should join XDA go to WiKi learn how to flash find a rom he is Happy with and stop making these silly post, but that's not what he did. Now this is not a burn although Rocken7 you have walked into a room with a bulls eye on you back and said "BURN ME"! with the comment you posted! so beware! We are watching! It might just be that you are a tad to critical! I am sure we have everything you need to make your device what you need it to be. Hope you can make the best of what you got! Good Luck!
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It's as simple as what you want your phone to do and what you're able to do with it. So many people rant and rave about Wm devices on these forums, which are really designed to educate, illuminate, and progress our devices. People who ***** about there new device probably should not have purchased it in the first place! Would I recommend a Hermes, kaiser or diamond to my Dad, Mom or Grandma? Depends if you are wearing Depends. Or to my buddy that's been using a Razr for the past 3 years? They would look like a monkey trying to open a coconut. Two of my best friends just got the Lg Vu and don't even know how to log onto the basic medianet. It's funny how everyone I've caught using a Kaiser "Tilt"; they always tell me how much they hate it and I laugh inside; It's simply not the phone for you; simple as that
I love mine, but I love fiddling with things
There's no way on earth I'd recommend one to anyone who's just after a phone, because (out-of-the-box) it's awful.
I enjoy the customisation aspects of mine. But there are still some 'phone' aspects which I feel are seriously lacking. The fun (for me) is finding stuff to make it work the way I want it to.
Windows mobile is a great operating system, functionality wise, but its interface sucks.
I run PointUI on my phone, which means I can access most features and functions very quickly using just my thumb, without the horrible WM interface. With this, most functions would be easy to use even for a n00b with no WM experience.
The fact that I can run PointUI on WM, or Throttle launcher, or SPB mobile shell, or a number of other options, is what makes WM so great - it can be made to do what people want. Still would have been better if Microsoft had focused on the UI from the beginning.
The great functionality of WM does not necessitate a terrible interface. It will be interesting to see what happens with WM7 & newer versions now Microsoft has to focus on the UI thanks to Apple & others leading the way.
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The great functionality of WM does not necessitate a terrible interface. It will be interesting to see what happens with WM7 & newer versions now Microsoft has to focus on the UI thanks to Apple & others leading the way.
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Exactly ! WM6.1 is a lot better than 6.0 and most of all 5 ... let's focus on the future and the juicy stuff Apple brings us.
Just a mini review of my HD7 after 4 days use. Coming from an HD2 (with 6.5.5 & Android) and having had mobiles since the classic was the only phone on Cellnet you could get I've used most!
However the HD7 being a first version has it's issues. A couple I have noticed are just stupid - others annoying.
I won't go over how it looks or the tiles or anything like that; this is just my experience of the device as a "phone".
Call quality seems ok - but the moment you get a border line signal you're stuffed. Incoming call audio is fine they just cannot hear you at all. Nothing Nada! You need to get a bar on the signal meter or you've no hope of being heard. My 5800 & HD2 both hang on to a cell signal much longer than the HD7 does.
Phone book is nice however it has a trend to dial the last person called rather than the entry you want - especially if you've gone from call history to the phone book - I don't know how many times I phoned my mum recently (but I am sorry for being a phone pest!!). Again this seems to be a version 1 issues.
But my biggest two grips are that how do you save an email attachment? We've all got things on our phones we want to transfer - Nokia do a lovely app to BT all your old goodies to your new phone - please other phone people take note!
So emailed myself the file(s) I needed - they appear in the email - but no way to save them - I can open the media - just not save it! Great. No "right" finger or "hold" finger menu in email application.
OK then - lets BT the files over ... turn BT on - let's pair with the HD2 and get some files from it. Nope cannot pair with the HD2 in Android or WM6 - says "paired" but unable to connect. Fine. Let's try another way with BT push - nope - paired cannot connect... Bleeeeewwwhhh.
So there does not seem to be anyway to get something from someone on the move sent to your phone. Cannot save attachments and cannot pair with other phones to BT files. Maybe a v1 issue again?
Not too sure on the HD7 at the moment - the wow is nice and yes the interface seems to be working as expected. However loose a data connection and you cannot open the people hub until you restart the device for some odd reason after loading Facebook contacts, and worst still "Lists" no longer works and gives a message about a DLL missing. Great, cannot find a way to un-install it or re-install it. The only menu option is "share" which does not help much really.
I am going to see if there is anything on line about the issues it seems to have. But so far - yes good phone - but WP7 needs some work. Maybe a quick update is needed here Microsoft? HTC seem to have done well getting the units out - not sure if anyone else is seeing similar?
Oh and I would really like a some menus to give some more control over the phone! You criticise WM6.5 for not being very finger friendly - but at least you have some options to change! Where are they hidden in 7 LOL!
So far hardware 10/10 but OS? 2 maybe 3 /10.
Oh and HTC you're being bloody cheap not sending out your top of the range phone with out a sleeve to keep it in, the HD2 has a lovely sleeve and that has saved it many a time - the HD7 I had to spend another £15.00 ($20) on a bumper to keep it safe as no one has the sleeves yet!
So far my HD2 is with me the HD7 is at home - not sure yet if I can rely on it 24/7 as my primary phone.
I would not go as far as to say it is poor - WP7 that is - but I am for one not impressed considering that people must have tried at least once to BT each other something?
You are missing the point of this phone. While I agree on some of your good points (but few) this is supposed to be the Zune phone , the equivalent of the iPhone, basically an eye-candy multimedia-device which should also do basic comunication in a fast and easy way. I also came a long way over the years playing with Symbian & WM 5-6.5 and I loved all the tweeking and extra customization you had BUT to be honest I got bored with it.
As years passed I saw mobile phones becoming the substituent of the PC but also a substiuent of its problems.Just look at the past 2-3 years. Now we have discussions about freckin RAM and GHz when the whole point of the phone was JUST to run smooth and work fine ,not to mention the fact that battery development has been left with the same batteries from 2006 or so.
Basically it just got stucked.I was freckin tired of walking in a mobile shop and seing a bunch of touchscreen with a zillion icons as wallpaper.
Where was the excitement of actually buying a phone for having something new?
That was the main reason since I never bought a touchscreen phone and I have sticked with my (g)old E71 for the time being.
Android is IMO a laggy joke. Yes , it's still lagy and that is why I didn't buy a high-end smartphone untill now , the HD7.
I don't want to pay 400 euros for a laggy interface.
It's been 3 years already since the iPhone and it has still been the fastest OS with no lag until WP7.
Why my view may be a little off-topic I think this was the main idea of the WP7.Getting ridd of those "Really?!" moments.
I want a phone in 2010 which runs fast,smoooth and adds the basic customization(it's where WP7 currently lacks but it's not terrible).
For I-can't-find-my-sfnag.dll-complaiment people should buy/use their laptops
I hope WP7 rises as remembers this "high-end competition" what the purpose of a (multimedia) phone really is
I think yly3 has a point - one of the main features of WM7 (for better or worse) was the increased reliance on cloud storage. Maybe this was why most of the phones we're seeing are only 8Gb.
I think anyone coming from WM6.5 expecting WP7 to be an incremental upgrade, including existing functionality is likely to be disappointed.
What I foresee is mainly 3rd party apps making use of an opened up Bluetooth stack to gain access to your skydrive as if it were local storage. Similarly, having the option to save email attachments to your skydrive would be neat (I believe .docs can be saved)
For me, this is either genius, or a disaster - if you're away from a signal, your files are inaccessible, which is frustrating. That said, I'm rarely away from a signal these days, so maybe it's a non-issue.
Time will tell.
I have been using my HD7 for 2 weeks now, I love it and hate it at the same time. I love it for its smooth, flawless and simple user interface, but hate cause its just too simple... I know and expected that this was a locked up phone before I bought it but.. even some basic functions that I was used to doing on my HD2 was missing. Functions like sending files thru BT from my phone to any BT device. Even some basic configuration like adjusting the volume of the ringer is not clear on configuration page. its just a toggle on/off and not to mention that i can't use custom ringtones? I loved using custom mp3 for ringtones.. cause in a crowded place.. I would now that my phone was the one ringing. And just like steve said...the phone didn't come with a nice leather pouch to keep it safe, for a pricy phone like this. I just wish they would improve wp7 much sooner so I could enjoy using this phone more and get my money's worth.
The first update is due early 2011, so don't get your hopes up for ANY updates untill then. Rumours are that Copy/paste, BT, & Camera are all big factors in the first update.
I can't really complain after a solid 3 weeks of owning the phone. Yes there are a few niggles, but it's MUCH better than Iphones OS v1 was. So looking good imo.
Also all the comments i've seen on this thread appear to be on WP7, not the HD7 itself. Slightly confusing by the Thread title.
well thats good news i don't mind the wait.. but i hope they do fix it with the update... but those are for WP7. the comment i have for the device itself (with HTC HD7) is that it didnt came with a pouch like my HD2, as all new phones ...it will take time here before i could buy a protective sleeve or rubber whatever. i just hope i don't drop or scratch it with my coins and keys in my pocket. also the camera button is hard to press... wish there was configuration where i could use the touch sensitive keys to take a picture. and speaking of wich.. the search key (bing key) really bugs me. i kept miss touching it for no reason.. and bing keeps getting in my way even when i'm playing games
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the comment i have for the device itself (with HTC HD7) is that it didnt came with a pouch like my HD2, as all new phones ...
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I've always been of the opinion that if a phone needs a case, it's a badly designed phone.
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the search key (bing key) really bugs me. i kept miss touching it for no reason.. and bing keeps getting in my way even when i'm playing games
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+1
My first purchase was Need for Speed, and the number of times I've been about to complete a circut, only to nudge the 'serach' button, which kicks me out of the race and I need to start again, is a real pain in the 'a**'.
It would be great if this button could be disabled while gaming, it's just too sensative and close to where you need to hold the phone....
Don't get me wrong @poopilot I do like the phone but the omission of a simple sleeve for the phone smacks of cheapness. And anything with a screen this large needs some protection in a pocket or on the desk, all to easy to scratch.
And yes the thread title @Audio could be more specific - but these are my view of WP7 on an HD7 - so it is pretty on topic for HD7 General. The comments would be the same for WP7 for all devices as they are all the same. I am just saying that it is a shame for something so late in the game that all the i & t's were not dotted and crossed before we got our hands on it.
And to @yly3 - your analagy is flawed. If Windows 7 is the succesor to Vista in the way WM7 is to 6.5 - how would you feel if Windows 7 had no control panel, you could not save locally and the only network you could use was Microsofts? I am pretty darn sure you'ld feel agrived. But say if I don't want to share pictures on skydrive - I want to BT or MMS or Twitter or Facebook I want to choose - I don't want to be limited to a single option.
If you play with a Desire you get loads of options for most things - hell I cannot even change the MMS picture size! LOL! Bring on regedit that's all I can say! I must be crazy but you cannot see MS's usability labs having an iphone 1 and thinking "this is all people need, they wont cut and paste or want to do anything other than gaze at the UI"! If you are going to call a phone a smartphone it does in fact need to be smart. Not average.
I see what you mean but again this was named Windows Phone 7 , not Windows Mobile 7 and Microsoft stated many times it's something new , build completely from zero.
The main problem of WP7 would be, as you pointed, the lack of choice. Honestly, I don't know how many really use copy-paste. I don't know if I barely used it 4-5 times the last couple of years but that's just me not the whole world. And I am very surprised people still use MMS.
This is also a strategy to have your product upgraded and keep interest in it just like Apple has done it in the last years.
Maybe I am over-excited for finally having something new and fresh offered and according to the constant praise and support of Steve Ballmer this platform will get more updates than we have seen on any other mobile OS so far (it is Microsoft after all) thus having the first update 2 months after the release date.
So, basically I won't go further and maybe I don't have a strong argument against what you said but what I tend to see in nowadays reviews is that most of the people don't seem to get the whole picture and analyze a new phone only by checking their personal list of must-have features (again , agreeing that most of them really are a must).
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Don't get me wrong @poopilot I do like the phone but the omission of a simple sleeve for the phone smacks of cheapness. And anything with a screen this large needs some protection in a pocket or on the desk, all to easy to scratch.
And yes the thread title @Audio could be more specific - but these are my view of WP7 on an HD7 - so it is pretty on topic for HD7 General. The comments would be the same for WP7 for all devices as they are all the same. I am just saying that it is a shame for something so late in the game that all the i & t's were not dotted and crossed before we got our hands on it.
And to @yly3 - your analagy is flawed. If Windows 7 is the succesor to Vista in the way WM7 is to 6.5 - how would you feel if Windows 7 had no control panel, you could not save locally and the only network you could use was Microsofts? I am pretty darn sure you'ld feel agrived. But say if I don't want to share pictures on skydrive - I want to BT or MMS or Twitter or Facebook I want to choose - I don't want to be limited to a single option.
If you play with a Desire you get loads of options for most things - hell I cannot even change the MMS picture size! LOL! Bring on regedit that's all I can say! I must be crazy but you cannot see MS's usability labs having an iphone 1 and thinking "this is all people need, they wont cut and paste or want to do anything other than gaze at the UI"! If you are going to call a phone a smartphone it does in fact need to be smart. Not average.
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There are definitely things that are missing, no question, but I think they've got it right for a first release. If they waited to get everything done then we'd never see the OS. It's completely different to Android, and indeed WM6.5 I'm pretty sure I'm right in saying that WM6.5 will be continued alongside WP7. I like the fact that it's all simple to use (and I'm a tech head). Sure it can occasionally be irritating where I want to get into the bluetooth settings for example to configure it more closely, but ultimately I can completely understand why they've done it. All you have to do is go in and turn it on, then choose a device to pair with. It involves very few steps which was exactly the spec for this OS.
I'm sure that in time there will be options to configure things more closely, but they will be hidden away so that you have to consciously choose to go into the advanced settings. Android was real fun for a while, something different, but I actually think that it's far too techy. After a while I got bored of everything being a bit clunky and hidden behind too many menus etc... To use everyday, it's just not that usable, not when you compare it to something like WP7.
I'm really looking forward to writing some apps for WP7 as I think it provides a different challenge - to make your app consistent with the UI and make it as user-friendly as possible. I think the possibilities are massive with WP7, and as long as MS really commits to it, rolls out regular updates to keep on improving the UI - crucially without breaking what it already does - then it could be a huge hit.
Steve_Walker totally agreed with you. WM6.5 has something different but with looking at WP7 ???
I am asking myself why should i get a wp7 phone instead of iphone? And the only reason i can find is 4.3" display .
Microsoft really needs to think clearly and understand they must make something different not a ios kind os.
MS will going to loose much
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Steve_Walker totally agreed with you. WM6.5 has something different but with looking at WP7 ???
I am asking myself why should i get a wp7 phone instead of iphone? And the only reason i can find is 4.3" display .
Microsoft really needs to think clearly and understand they must make something different not a ios kind os.
MS will going to loose much
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1) The media player is alot better.
2) Zune Pass.
3) WP7 is alot faster than any iPhone. My entire family has 3GSs and iPhone 4s and they will even admit my phone is alot faster to do anything. I havent even turned my lag fixed Vibrant on this I got this HD7 also.
4) App intergeneration. WP7 really does take this to a different level.
You'd be a fool to say WP7 doesnt have its flaws and bugs, but you'd also be a fool to ignore everything GREAT it does. Android does alot of things well but is anything great? iOS does some great things, but honestly I prefer WP7 over iOS.
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1) The media player is alot better.
2) Zune Pass.
3) WP7 is alot faster than any iPhone. My entire family has 3GSs and iPhone 4s and they will even admit my phone is alot faster to do anything. I havent even turned my lag fixed Vibrant on this I got this HD7 also.
4) App intergeneration. WP7 really does take this to a different level.
You'd be a fool to say WP7 doesnt have its flaws and bugs, but you'd also be a fool to ignore everything GREAT it does. Android does alot of things well but is anything great? iOS does some great things, but honestly I prefer WP7 over iOS.
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1) OK
2) I dont care about zune pass
3) That is about hardware not wp7
4) So what? How many wp7 apps out there?
Sorry but as we see you have strong feelings on wp7 and want to defend it too much but even you cant write more then 4 not meaning too much advantages. Because even MS designed it to be a is imitation.
I had hope on wp7 was thinking to sell my hd2 and buy a hd7 because ios and iphone is not a phone for me (dont like them), Android is just what you said does alot of thing but not anything great. But WP7 is worse then both at least for now. Because MS just looked ios and android and copy them with removing all the good features on wm6.5 all the good features i prefer a wm6.5 phone over iphone that is nonsense. most of the users may not care about this but i care.
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3) That is about hardware not wp7
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iPhone 4 has better hardware! A4 is better than Snapdragon, and iPhone 4 has dedicated GPU - PowerVGR 535! which is faster than Adreno!
iPhone 3Gs also has dedicated PowerVGR GPU, but don't which model exactly!
So, it's not hadware! it's the OS
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iPhone 4 has better hardware! A4 is better than Snapdragon, and iPhone 4 has dedicated GPU - PowerVGR 535! which is faster than Adreno!
iPhone 3Gs also has dedicated PowerVGR GPU, but don't which model exactly!
So, it's not hadware! it's the OS
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i am not comparing iphone vs hd7 hardware. i am saying that with suitable hardware every os can be fast.
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1) OK
2) I dont care about zune pass
3) That is about hardware not wp7
4) So what? How many wp7 apps out there?
Sorry but as we see you have strong feelings on wp7 and want to defend it too much but even you cant write more then 4 not meaning too much advantages. Because even MS designed it to be a is imitation.
I had hope on wp7 was thinking to sell my hd2 and buy a hd7 because ios and iphone is not a phone for me (dont like them), Android is just what you said does alot of thing but not anything great. But WP7 is worse then both at least for now. Because MS just looked ios and android and copy them with removing all the good features on wm6.5 all the good features i prefer a wm6.5 phone over iphone that is nonsense. most of the users may not care about this but i care.
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You might not care about Zune Pass but for anyone who wanted an mp3 player / phone this is the biggest selling factor. In fact I'd say zune integration is the best thing WP7 has going for it right now.
I am not really defending it that much also. Look my profile and see the last thread I made. I clearly pointed several huge glaring flaws in WP7. In that same thread I said more than 4 good things about it also. Before calling someone out, look at their previous posts; especially when trying to call out their position on things .
Here is a link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=835095
WP7 is missing features 6.5 had but that was a matured and dying (dead now) OS, this is a completely new start. I am not over critical of it becasue i knew going in it was a first iteration OS. And for a first iteration OS it is far better than what iOS and android were. It actually does some things far better than them right now too. It has flaws, but ignoring strength and focusing only on flaws is wrong in my opinion.
I am also confused about your position on the speed of WP7. First you say its the hardware, which android and the iphone 4 have better hardware, and then you say its the OS and that backs up the statement i originally made. The OS is optimized to be faster than both iOS and android. That is a HUGE plus for WP7. It's doing more with less, don't over look that.
Again let me repeat my statement, it does have limitations but everything it does, it does the best. More features will be added with updates.
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i am not comparing iphone vs hd7 hardware. i am saying that with suitable hardware every os can be fast.
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About speed i am saying that every os can be very fast with suitable hardware. Think like this a wp7 phone with nokia n61 hardware can it be fast ofcourse no. is this wp7s fault ofcourse not so as you cant blame an os for not suitable hardware also you cant say os is good because it runs good on suitable hardware.
also i agree with you about wp7 being a new os and 6.5 is dying but why not use 6.5s good features on a new starting os from the beginning. They are the things which you did better then ios and android so ms should glorify them with using them in the new os.
this is my idea ofcourse i dont except everyone or even anyone to agree with me. wm6.5 with htc sense and cht nearly got all i need. some more social network integration with a really working pptp vpn is all i need with my current setup.
kromosto said:
About speed i am saying that every os can be very fast with suitable hardware. Think like this a wp7 phone with nokia n61 hardware can it be fast ofcourse no. is this wp7s fault ofcourse not so as you cant blame an os for not suitable hardware also you cant say os is good because it runs good on suitable hardware.
also i agree with you about wp7 being a new os and 6.5 is dying but why not use 6.5s good features on a new starting os from the beginning. They are the things which you did better then ios and android so ms should glorify them with using them in the new os.
this is my idea ofcourse i dont except everyone or even anyone to agree with me. wm6.5 with htc sense and cht nearly got all i need. some more social network integration with a really working pptp vpn is all i need with my current setup.
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Because 6.5 and 7 are built on completely different platforms. You can not just pull features from 6.5 and put them in 7 because the programming language is different.
6.5 was good for its time, but do you know the main reason why I hear why people do not want to buy WP7 phones? All the headaches they got from 6.5 devices...
WM left a bad taste in ALOT of peoples mouths and that is still showing in WP7. Yes 6.5 might of been good for some but for most it was complete and utter crap.
Will alot of these features eventually be built into WP7 if enough people want them? I think so, but they will be built and coded to meet WP7's standards.
I sold my HD2 when i bought an HD7.
Last night I installed WP7 on my friend's HD2, and it was working just as smooth as the one on my HD7.
I even hacked the windows live system, (using ceesheim's guide) and it was working fine, so technically, it was fully functional, just like the one on HD7. (Did i mention that even the cam-corder was recording 720p videos?)
I was feeling kinda sad about this thing. I could've just kept my HD2, but i didnt.
HD7 is better for me in some areas: Display is way better, softkeys wont get spoiled by heavy usage (while hard-keys on HD2 do), and the phone just looks more stylish than HD2.
But lets not forget that HD2 has its own advantages as well (being capable of running multiple OS, having removable SD-card, etc), and now with the WP7 released, I'd like to hear your opinions about all this.
Do you think the purchase of HD7 was worthy, or it would be better if we could just keep/buy a HD2 instead so we could use multiple platforms, including WP7?
Please share your opinion. Thanks
I still have both, but I see no reason to use WP7 on my HD2.
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I still have both, but I see no reason to use WP7 on my HD2. It's a featureless OS. You can't do so many things. Not only did MS launch a featureless OS, and then had the gall to shove any updates that would bring features to it till the end of the year, but they even removed features from it in the 2 months it has been out. I used the folder making function in the email apps....made 3 folders for various emails like eBay, Redbox receipts, banking institution correspondence and so forth rather than deleting them...which would delete them off the server...or keeping them on the main screen. Now MS even removes that useful function. What little features WP7 had, MS just removes them till the system is useless.
Not only will I not allow WP7 to stink up my HD2, but as soon as Android is developed for the HD7, WP7 is going to leave my HD7 so fast the water will splash out of the toilet.
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I do agree with you about WP7 lacking many key features; Its a known fact. But i don't want to touch the ever-ongoing war of "which os is better" in this thread.
What I'm trying to say is, WP7 was the reason behind the HD7's success; People wouldn't buy it otherwise, since its the same phone as the HD2. Now I'm asking, will people still buy this device when they can have WP7 on HD2?
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Still have a bad feeling about Microsoft banning Live accounts that use this on their HD2
Shu. said:
I do agree with you about WP7 lacking many key features; Its a known fact. But i don't want to touch the ever-ongoing war of "which os is better" in this thread.
What I'm trying to say is, WP7 was the reason behind the HD7's success; People wouldn't buy it otherwise, since its the same phone as the HD2. Now I'm asking, will people still buy this device when they can have WP7 on HD2?
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Yes, mainly becuase the majority of people who want the phone either a) can't be bothered with the hastle of potentially bricking their HD2 to put WP7 on it, and b) they won't even know it's possible (after all, not every phone owner visits these forums).
I think most people get these types of phones on Contract anyway, so more reason why people will still go for HD7 if they want WP7.
thanks for the answers.
Something interesting that i noticed is the amount of new threads created in the windows phone 7 forum, in the last 24-48 hours; which is after the launch of WP7 on HD2.
Did anyone else noticed this increase of wp7 users during the last two days?
Although many of them are just asking the same basic questions over and over again; but i think its a good sign to see more activities going on in the windows phone section.
I don't mind at all. I love my HD7 and my HD2. Since I picked up my HD7 I was able to pass my HD2 with NAND Android down to my wife. Now she loves her new phone, I have a great new toy (and I do enjoy WP7), and my HD2 is still close by in case I need to play with it.
New products will always be released and old products will always find upgrades through XDA. It how the world goes.
What I really looking forward to are the OTA updates that WP7 will be getting that I would otherwise have to wait for on my HD2 Superphone.
Mr bother has the HD7 and I have the HD2. Quite honestly I don't really like WP7 AT ALL and would never even think of installing it on my HD2. I'll just stick to Android.
I order the HD7 the day wm7 was released for the hd2 not knowing that it was going to be released that night, my hd7 will arrive tomorrow and I have had the weekend using wp7 on the hd2. I really like wp7, I like that it is like no other operating system, very plain but everything seems to be quickly available. The lack, lack, lack of apps is a massive issue as I have an iPhone which does anything and everything so wp7 looks very primitive but I prefer using wp7, there just something about the clean lines and ease of use. Who knows after a week I may just be over it. I will most likely return the hd7 for the fact that it has half the memory of the hd2 being that I will order a 32gb card for it. I know I can do the same for the hd7 but I wouldn't like to be voiding the warranty on such a new and expensive phone.
I will let you know how I feel once I have had a play with the hd7.
shayne the kid said:
Mr bother has the HD7 and I have the HD2. Quite honestly I don't really like WP7 AT ALL and would never even think of installing it on my HD2. I'll just stick to Android.
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Why are you posting here? Go away.
Calm down....Just him opinion, I was expecting to have WP7 on my HD2, but I could not wait....now I have new HD7 and shoot HD2 out my hand...so dont think about that !!!
ok the only bonus with the HD7 is the screen is better colour. The HD7 arrived today and I have already packed it back in the box to return, there is no way I can justify the HD7 being $600 better than the HD2 just because it looks alittle better and has a clearer screen.
Just my opinion.
Hold up, when you put the OS7 on HD2, is it IDENTICAL to the OS running on HD7? or do you still have all the great features of HD2 with a face lift?
For example, do you still have your favorite ppl access tab?
Select all in emails and Sms?
Ability to view multiple email address from one window?
Tithering?
u know important things that HD7 lacks?
or once u upgrade u have an HD7 stuck in a HD2 body?
I will be receiving my HTC HD& today or tomorrow and am very excited. A new mobile OS is just what we need, all the great things that have ben done with previous OS's can now be attempted with mobile win 7. We have so great mind minds out there and I believe in time HD7 will be just as great as the HD2. After being hacked, and modded
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Hold up, when you put the OS7 on HD2, is it IDENTICAL to the OS running on HD7? or do you still have all the great features of HD2 with a face lift?
For example, do you still have your favorite ppl access tab?
Select all in emails and Sms?
Ability to view multiple email address from one window?
Tithering?
u know important things that HD7 lacks?
or once u upgrade u have an HD7 stuck in a HD2 body?
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You are referring to the same operating system, so what you see on the HD7 is exactly what you will see on the HD2 with WP7.
ecyoral said:
mobile win 7
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I've heard of
"Windows Mobile" (with version numbers of 6.5.x, 6.5, 6.1, and lower)
"Windows Phone 7"
"Windows 7"
So what is "mobile win 7" -- some new OS from Microsoft?
From a youtube video I saw, there are some quirks on HD2 with WP7.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZVtyetvVIQ
-Pinch to zoom doesn't work as well, like in the browser or in gallary app
-There are occasional instances where the phone stops responding for a few seconds
for full list of problems, go here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=914485
i doubt these problems will be permanent; once a development community forms, I am sure people will be cooking roms and issuing fixes. just a matter of time.
I've had none of those problems thus far. I also like being able to run Android from the sd card. That is why I bought the HD2 a few months back because I knew I would be able to have both wp7 and android on the same phone.
Right ok... so the "known" problems the Devs are aware of due to the port are not occuring for you.
seal said:
ok the only bonus with the HD7 is the screen is better colour. The HD7 arrived today and I have already packed it back in the box to return, there is no way I can justify the HD7 being $600 better than the HD2 just because it looks alittle better and has a clearer screen.
Just my opinion.
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I just don't get why people who frequent these forums with a HD2 are complaining about getting a HD7. What were you expecting? Of course it's not going to be worth buying a HD7. Why would you waste your money upgrading when you can (for now) run WP7 (almost) fine on the HD2? Come on i thought us XDA members were at least a little bit brighter the the Apple community....
as titile,
if HD7 can runing wm6.5, this will be fast wm system, it's will be a good news!
The HD7 is almost identical hardware to the HTC HD2 which comes stock with WinMo 6.5. It would probably run slower on the HD7 if someone took the time to port it. But really, with the HD2 in existence and readily available on places like eBay and Craigslist (for under $200 I might add), why would you want this?
Not trying to say that someone won't attempt it, but it is probably very close to the bottom of their list. Windows Phone 7 was designed to run smoothly on the Snapdragon processor. That's why our phones fly. M$ strict control over specs has definitely paid off. Windows Mobile 6.5 would run the exact same on our phones as it does on the HD2.
I have just upgraded to the HD7 from the diamond 2. Even thou WP7 is faster. I would rather stick to WM6.5 if anyone can give me a link to a HD2 rom for the HD7 I would be very happy. I know the HD2 has 2 more face buttons, but all we need is [back] [windows] and [home/red] to work. either that or I’m going to have to see if someone wants to swap a brand new HD7 for a well looked after HD2 lol still using my diamond 2 at the mo cos HTC Sense rocks! Anyone can help I would much appreciate it. Thanks
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I have just upgraded to the HD7 from the diamond 2. Even thou WP7 is faster. I would rather stick to WM6.5 if anyone can give me a link to a HD2 rom for the HD7 I would be very happy. I know the HD2 has 2 more face buttons, but all we need is [back] [windows] and [home/red] to work. either that or I’m going to have to see if someone wants to swap a brand new HD7 for a well looked after HD2 lol still using my diamond 2 at the mo cos HTC Sense rocks! Anyone can help I would much appreciate it. Thanks
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Hi,
Here you have all you need: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=912416
I can swap
Regards
Ech....lol at op.
Sent from my HD7
PanNet said:
Hi,
Here you have all you need: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=912416
I can swap
Regards
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Thanks, I do appreciate people making the effort. But it’s the other way round I need it. I want to run the HD7 on Windows Mobile 6.5, don’t get me wrong. If win phone 7 becomes more customisable and if they make it compatible PDA OS I’ll move over. There’s all ready talk of there being 2 ver’s of phone. Phone 7 and phone 7 Classic (aka Windows Mobile 7). But till then I Want to stay Win Mobile 6.5 not Win Phone 7
Thank for taking the time to read
Bring back PDA-Phones! These Smart Phones Still Haven't caught up yet! LOL
djstujones said:
Thanks, I do appreciate people making the effort. But it’s the other way round I need it. I want to run the HD7 on Windows Mobile 6.5, don’t get me wrong. If win phone 7 becomes more customisable and if they make it compatible PDA OS I’ll move over. There’s all ready talk of there being 2 ver’s of phone. Phone 7 and phone 7 Classic (aka Windows Mobile 7). But till then I Want to stay Win Mobile 6.5 not Win Phone 7
Thank for taking the time to read
Bring back PDA-Phones! These Smart Phones Still Haven't caught up yet! LOL
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Okay it's simple, BUY A WM 6.5 phone.
@djstujones why the hell would you buy a Wp7 Device and downgrade to a lower OS?!?! Why didn't you just get a cheaper bloody phone that ran wm6.5?!?! this forum is already full of spam where people keep on asking "Can i get wm6.5 on h7? duuuuurp". SEARCH THE FORUM and READ UP A PHONE BEFORE YOU BUY IT.
simplez
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@djstujones why the hell would you buy a Wp7 Device and downgrade to a lower OS?!?! Why didn't you just get a cheaper bloody phone that ran wm6.5?!?! this forum is already full of spam where people keep on asking "Can i get wm6.5 on h7? duuuuurp". SEARCH THE FORUM and READ UP A PHONE BEFORE YOU BUY IT.
simplez
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A. The phone was free (so I’m going to get the highest value handset)
B. When win phone gets more advanced I do plan to use it
C. I’ve had many custom rom’s ported from other windows devices to another, even different brands. So why is it so strange this device may? I do really like the handset
If it can’t be done, I plan to sell the HD7 on eBay and get a HD2 which will leave me up in money. But I am going to check first as the HD2 has no 720p Video, and yes I do look up facts, b4 it was the HD3/HD7 ppl where predicting it as the HTC Obsession (diamond 3). Looking things up is great, but it doesn’t hurt to ask now and then
djstujones said:
A. The phone was free (so I’m going to get the highest value handset)
B. When win phone gets more advanced I do plan to use it
C. I’ve had many custom rom’s ported from other windows devices to another, even different brands. So why is it so strange this device may? I do really like the handset
If it can’t be done, I plan to sell the HD7 on eBay and get a HD2 which will leave me up in money. But I am going to check first as the HD2 has no 720p Video, and yes I do look up facts, b4 it was the HD3/HD7 ppl where predicting it as the HTC Obsession (diamond 3). Looking things up is great, but it doesn’t hurt to ask now and then
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hd2 can't do 720p video because 6.5 can't do 720p video. It is an OS limitation, proven by the fact they have 720p video working on the h2 running android.
I agree with the others, sell the hd7, and find a hd2. I don't think the hd7 will be running winmo anytime soon.
benson_wu said:
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if HD7 can runing wm6.5, this will be fast wm system, it's will be a good news!
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i agree, it would be act of great honor, if some one could make hd7 running wm6.5.
bcoz after my hd2 i feel dire need to get some new mobile with wm6.5 os.
and i think xda developers soon make it possible.
hope for the best
.... buy a HD2, it's exactly the same but RUNS WM6.5 JUST LIKE YOU WANT. And hey, it'll be cheaper to buy too
Does anyone know how I can get a Nokia 3210 rom running on HD7? This is will was be goodz timez newz!
Correct me if im wrong!
Isnt this a developer site?...Its called XDA Developers right? So why on god's earth are people flaming people for creativity questions?...If someone wants windows mobile 6.5 on a WP7 device what do you care? Just because you don't think its a good idea doesn't give you the right to flame, I know personally I like having options on a device that is not locked down from exploring those options the very reason I chose windows mobile over apple devices in the past because of the ability to customize, take that away and in my opinion the device kind of sucks....If that was the case though and we couldn't mod our devices and ROM's and stuff then why would we even come to XDA?....Phones come with operational manuals in the box with the device, but nobody knocks people over and over for asking questions that are printed in the manual, To the people wanting a different operating system on your WP7 device don't let closed minded people stop you from exploring the capabilities of your Device....That's my opinion on the subject, I would like a Windows Mobile 6.5 Duty ROM and a Stock WP7 ROM and Android all on my device if possible I think that would be bad a$$ but that's my opinion, so don't let the trolls discourage you is all I'm saying...Not everybody has $200 to throw around, and some of us have wives that don't allow blowing money on stuff every time a new device hits the market, so the ability to customize is what makes a phone so fun in my opinion cause you can turn something old into something new.
I still have my HD2, it's sitting right next to my computer. I'm using a *cringe* Cliq 2 atm for work. But love my HD2 to pieces. It has the ability, thanks to devs here, to run WM6.5, WP7, Android, and actually a couple other OS. I'm patiently waiting for my HD7 to come in the mail. I'm sure it's possible to get WM6.5 on the HD7, but as others have said, it's probably on the bottom of the list for devs. Getting WP7 onto the HD2 was more of an "I told you so" to MS that it's possible to get it onto an unsupported device.
got stuck with win7 phone on t mo....android port to hd7 is the way to go. i hate hd7 no customizations, and very bland....got stuck with the hd7 due to hd2 bein stolen recently and the hd7 is the only phone close to hd2.
The thing that *really* annoys me, is these people who hate WP7 (yet buy/own a WP7 device (wtf?)) come to what i would like to consider a respectable developers forum, and ***** and moan... "oh no i can't customise it!", "oh no i can't flash another OS to it!", "Oh no I got it becuase it looks like/has the same HW as the HD2 but it's not a HD2 at all!"
If you *really* dislike the phone/OS, then don't bother wasting time (and other's) by posting repetative threads on here. Trade your phone for one that you want. Right now here in the UK the HD7 is selling on the bay for about £250, whereas the HD2, about £200. So sell your phone, buy a HD2, and make £50 in the process. And leave us happy owners who enjoy the phone/OS, to do just that and enable it to progress instead of go backwards. Simplez.
i got money
Audio said:
The thing that *really* annoys me, is these people who hate WP7 (yet buy/own a WP7 device (wtf?)) come to what i would like to consider a respectable developers forum, and ***** and moan... "oh no i can't customise it!", "oh no i can't flash another OS to it!", "Oh no I got it becuase it looks like/has the same HW as the HD2 but it's not a HD2 at all!"
If you *really* dislike the phone/OS, then don't bother wasting time (and other's) by posting repetative threads on here. Trade your phone for one that you want. Right now here in the UK the HD7 is selling on the bay for about £250, whereas the HD2, about £200. So sell your phone, buy a HD2, and make £50 in the process. And leave us happy owners who enjoy the phone/OS, to do just that and enable it to progress instead of go backwards. Simplez.
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i didnt get why people who write what they want annoy you. coz im one of them i got money so i buy what i like, and i preffer hf7 to hd2 coz hd7 looks more qualified. everyones like you says ''this phone is flying this phone is so smooth''. yes it is coz it has nothing. the different between nokia 3110 vs hd7 is wifi and 5mp camera. and nokia 3110 is faster as much as hdy while calling someone or sending sms.
so if i got professional phone being fast is not important, i must do whatever i want with my phone even washing dishes thats why i carry big cell phone which is 162gr
Audio said:
@djstujones why the hell would you buy a Wp7 Device and downgrade to a lower OS?!?! Why didn't you just get a cheaper bloody phone that ran wm6.5?!?! this forum is already full of spam where people keep on asking "Can i get wm6.5 on h7? duuuuurp". SEARCH THE FORUM and READ UP A PHONE BEFORE YOU BUY IT.
simplez
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The truth...
Buy a newer version and want to downgrade to lower version...
I never do that.
Windows 7 => Kick Ass Windows XP
Windows Phone 7 => Kick Ass Windows Mobile 6.5 => Kick Ass iOS=> Kick ass Symbian , quite same and little bit lower than Android because WP7 is still new.
I have used both HTC HD2, iPhone 3G,and now HTC HD7.
HD2 on eBay ...
I am looking at getting the HD7 and putting WM6.5 on it because I have hundreds of $$ invested in software that will NOT work in WP7.
On eBay the HD2 phones are over $500 in Canada, and shipping for me from the US always includes heavy duty charges, so the $200-$300 HD2 available in the US are not really an option for me.
I can get a HD7 from Bell for $99.
Don't tell me to "just get a cheaper HD2" because the HD7 is far cheaper for me.
Hello everybody,
I'm kinda confused and would like your input:
basically I wanna know how good (or bad) is the idea of swapping HTC Desire with HD7...?
Appreciate your response guys n gals
fazalali110 said:
Hello everybody,
I'm kinda confused and would like your input:
basically I wanna know how good (or bad) is the idea of swapping HTC Desire with HD7...?
Appreciate your response guys n gals
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I Moved from Android And Love WP7 Personally, But You should look at the features that you need and use in android and find out if they are present in WP7.
Personally I know you'll have a shock when you notice how 2 phones with the same processors act differently, WP7 seems to really utilise the processor for speed, I sat in an o2 store using both models and within 10 minutes I knew I wanted the HD7.. It just felt more fluid and I like the way that it seamlessly integrates everything
WP7 is very pleasing to the eye and personally I Like it, but if you're gonna miss the features in Android i'd suggest don't move.
If you update to the developer build of mango you would get to see the shocking speeds of that too, it seems to make the phone even faster, and not by just a little bit, by a heck of a lot!
The apps are pricey however, one of the setbacks of the Xbox live system and the fairly new operating system sadly.
These are my opinions on the phones, but personally you might think differently
Thank you for your input; I've was always into WinMo and moved over to Andriod.
Didn't give WP7 a shot yet, though I must admit that it seems to be more faster and fluid than andriod. The applications are my concern..but I do need a change
let's see if anyone else would like to share their experience...
EDIT: does WP7 support VOIP/SIP?? That would be a deal breaker for me.
Thanks.
Hi,
Android graphically resembles a little win 6th. It has great potential but they really are useful for small percent of people. WP7 is a new OS, still far from perfect, but moving in the right direction. It is good that Nokia will work. This will force the great progress and I think at the end of the year we will already have a good system.
Personally I have HTC HD7 and HTC IS and I am not going to get rid HD7.
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